calizaggy Posted March 5, 2010 Posted March 5, 2010 No problem! Well, he asked me to let him do things for me, for nothing in return, just so he could be near me and please me. And he assured me this was OK with him, and even enjoyable to him. . He enjoyed pleasing you..So? After all the two of you were dating..I guess if you were more into him, he would not be a doormat? Why were you even dating him?
Woggle Posted March 5, 2010 Posted March 5, 2010 You know what cracks me up? Normal gentlemenly behavior that used to be considered the actions of any decent man is now looked at as doormat or smothering behavior by many women then these same women turn around and complain about how men don't act like that anymore. It would be funny if it weren't so sad. Just because I enjoy doing nice things for the woman I love and making her feel special does not in any way make me a doormat and women have found out the hard way that that is not the case when they tried to take advantage.
Author BookerT Posted March 5, 2010 Author Posted March 5, 2010 More $, more power = more partners. Power and status aren't the same thing as "oh he acts like such a bad boy! he cheats on me, but he's so much fun, so I guess I"ll stay." There are men and women with power, status, wealth, and fame who don't act that way, and they still have people chasing them. The way bad boys act are symbols of power, and that's why they attract women, because the women respect that part of them.........attitude and success. (even though the men are selfish jerks) I am a fun, sociable guy = power I am outgoing and have many friends = power I am not going to grovel xyz's attention like most men = power you're right, a lot of celebs don't even have the personality to match but have people chasing after them because they have the power from the $$ and the celeb status. The bad boys work for their version of power in another way. The two groups, A ( power from personality) and B (power from money and fame) have power creation from different sources but at the end of the day, the more successful, strong and powerful a man is, the more women he will attract vs an average Joe.
Ruby Slippers Posted March 5, 2010 Posted March 5, 2010 He enjoyed pleasing you..So? After all the two of you were dating..I guess if you were more into him, he would not be a doormat? Why were you even dating him? This came AFTER I told him I had serious doubts about long-term potential for us, and told him exactly why. I said I did not want to be his girlfriend, and he said he still wanted to do nice things for me (the kinds of things a boyfriend does), and he would understand when I met someone else and cut things off with him. Basically, he was asking me to use him temporarily. I guess what separates me from the "manipulative bitches" that Johnny M describes is the fact that I said no and brought things to a resolute close. But being in that position helped me understand much better how people can get into those situations. Believe me, it wasn't easy to resist what he was offering. I'm single, undersexed, sometimes lonely. It's not easy to find a great partner. But it didn't feel right to me to use someone, even when he was literally asking me to.
calizaggy Posted March 5, 2010 Posted March 5, 2010 It seems women have a hard time taking responsibility for their own actions.. Let's say a woman is dating 2 different guys.. One she is USING for attention, for a rebound etc.. He says "I will come over and cut your grass"..Then he is a "doormat". She is dating a different guy she is in love with in the future, and he says "Let me come over and cut your grass".. Then he is a gentleman, helpful, caring.. A real man! The only difference is that she is manipulative and using the former guy for any of a multitude of reasons..Nothing he does will be good enough, but it makes herself feel better to place the blame on him, instead of facing the fact that she is a user.
Woggle Posted March 5, 2010 Posted March 5, 2010 It seems women have a hard time taking responsibility for their own actions.. Let's say a woman is dating 2 different guys.. One she is USING for attention, for a rebound etc.. He says "I will come over and cut your grass"..Then he is a "doormat". She is dating a different guy she is in love with in the future, and he says "Let me come over and cut your grass".. Then he is a gentleman, helpful, caring.. A real man! The only difference is that she is manipulative and using the former guy for any of a multitude of reasons..Nothing he does will be good enough, but it makes herself feel better to place the blame on him, instead of facing the fact that she is a user. Then if he doesn't cut her grass he is a jerk that doesn't know how to treat women.
sweetjasmine Posted March 5, 2010 Posted March 5, 2010 It seems women have a hard time taking responsibility for their own actions.. Let's say a woman is dating 2 different guys.. One she is USING for attention, for a rebound etc.. He says "I will come over and cut your grass"..Then he is a "doormat". She is dating a different guy she is in love with in the future, and he says "Let me come over and cut your grass".. Then he is a gentleman, helpful, caring.. A real man! The only difference is that she is manipulative and using the former guy for any of a multitude of reasons..Nothing he does will be good enough, but it makes herself feel better to place the blame on him, instead of facing the fact that she is a user. Women are so evil!
Ruby Slippers Posted March 5, 2010 Posted March 5, 2010 Ah, men can't win with women. Funny, because I have often felt the same way about men.
Woggle Posted March 5, 2010 Posted March 5, 2010 Ah, men can't win with women. Funny, because I have often felt the same way about men. Men are very easy to make happy so I don't know why so many women have such a hard time with it.
Ruby Slippers Posted March 5, 2010 Posted March 5, 2010 Women are so evil! It all goes back to the apple and the garden of eden. We manipulated men away from god and the gates of heaven. It's so easy to be a woman. In this day and age, we've got it made. We don't even have to suffer the pain of childbirth anymore! We get nice guys to have our babies for us.
Ruby Slippers Posted March 5, 2010 Posted March 5, 2010 Men are very easy to make happy so I don't know why so many women have such a hard time with it. I know. Men are soooo awesome and easygoing. They never get bored with women who love them and treat them right. They NEVER think the grass is greener elsewhere. They always appreciate everything they have. They're pretty much perfect. Women can't do anything right.
Woggle Posted March 5, 2010 Posted March 5, 2010 I know. Men are soooo awesome and easygoing. They never get bored with women who love them and treat them right. They NEVER think the grass is greener elsewhere. They always appreciate everything they have. They're pretty much perfect. Women can't do anything right. I never said all but as a whole men are much easier to please than women.
sweetjasmine Posted March 5, 2010 Posted March 5, 2010 I know. Men are soooo awesome and easygoing. They never get bored with women who love them and treat them right. They NEVER think the grass is greener elsewhere. They always appreciate everything they have. They're pretty much perfect. Women can't do anything right. Yeah, I've never seen a man treat a woman poorly without it being her fault in the first place. All women just need to learn how to make all men happy because all men are exactly the same and want precisely the same things out of life and from their partners. It ain't rocket science.
Woggle Posted March 5, 2010 Posted March 5, 2010 I never said it was that simple or that all men were this way but on an average men are very simple to please and most of want to give back when we feel loved and respected.
sweetjasmine Posted March 5, 2010 Posted March 5, 2010 most of want to give back when we feel loved and respected. Do you realize that this applies to most human beings who don't have psychological problems?
Woggle Posted March 5, 2010 Posted March 5, 2010 Do you realize that this applies to most human beings who don't have psychological problems? When women feel loved and respected they get bored and want to create drama.
sweetjasmine Posted March 5, 2010 Posted March 5, 2010 When women feel loved and respected they get bored and want to create drama. Give me a f-ing break. When people who feel loved and respected get bored and want to create drama, they HAVE PSYCHOLOGICAL PROBLEMS. Do you think your bitterness and hatred of women don't cloud the way you see things? Have you ever said anything positive about women or are you incapable of seeing anything but negative horrible traits?
Ruby Slippers Posted March 5, 2010 Posted March 5, 2010 When women feel loved and respected they get bored and want to create drama. When men feel loved and respected, they get bored and want to find another woman. In many cases, TRUE. Many women on this board have experienced this phenomenon, myself included. My last boyfriend, whom I loved, adored, and respected very much, went from telling me many times that he wanted to marry me and have a family with me, to, once he had locked me down, telling me he couldn't "think about the future". That hurt bad, but because I realize that not all men are the same, I have moved on, and I'm not holding his behavior against all men.
Woggle Posted March 5, 2010 Posted March 5, 2010 Give me a f-ing break. When people who feel loved and respected get bored and want to create drama, they HAVE PSYCHOLOGICAL PROBLEMS. Do you think your bitterness and hatred of women don't cloud the way you see things? Have you ever said anything positive about women or are you incapable of seeing anything but negative horrible traits? I am simply telling it like it is. Women in general to do not respond well to love and contentment. Give a woman love and stability and she will give you resentment and upheaval.
sweetjasmine Posted March 5, 2010 Posted March 5, 2010 I am simply telling it like it is. No, you're not, but you've convinced yourself that you are. You can't see past your bitterness and hatred. Women in general to do not respond well to love and contentment. Give a woman love and stability and she will give you resentment and upheaval. Women with psychological problems in general don't respond well to love and contentment. Give a woman with psychological problems love and stability, and she will give you resentment and upheaval. Are you getting the point yet?
Author BookerT Posted March 5, 2010 Author Posted March 5, 2010 I am simply telling it like it is. Women in general to do not respond well to love and contentment. Give a woman love and stability and she will give you resentment and upheaval. Lol, I think you are getting a bit extreme dude. Women like guys that have a good sense of humor, interesting and fun to be with. If a guy's a high quality male then the woman is unlikely to stray. But if he's friggin boring then it's no surprise if she wanders off.
skydiveaddict Posted March 5, 2010 Posted March 5, 2010 Sure, many nice guys are doormats because they let women take advantage of them. But here's the key part: women are still the ones doing the "taking advantage of". In other words, for every nice guy there's a manipulative bitch who's using him as a doormat. To say that no woman wants a doormat type is to imply that every woman is deep down a manipulative bitch. How could I have guessed that you would say something stupid like that? No luck on those teen chat sites yet?
Twenty-ten Posted March 5, 2010 Posted March 5, 2010 I am simply telling it like it is. Women in general to do not respond well to love and contentment. Give a woman love and stability and she will give you resentment and upheaval.
Woggle Posted March 5, 2010 Posted March 5, 2010 I am not a troll if that is what you are implying. I am simply saying what many men are afraid to say.
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