Taramere Posted February 28, 2010 Posted February 28, 2010 Far from a feminist but I don't find talking about slapping and punching women funny. But whatever ... why so angry and defensive?
nddb Posted February 28, 2010 Posted February 28, 2010 why so angry and defensive? Ehhh... Call us strange but most Americans, male or female, don't find humor in talking about slapping or punching women. Again, it's probably cultural so I wouldn't worry about it.
Taramere Posted February 28, 2010 Posted February 28, 2010 Ehhh... Call us strange but most Americans, male or female, don't find humor in talking about slapping or punching women. Again, it's probably cultural so I wouldn't worry about it. I know. I finally got around to watching Borat, and I think I understand the problem a little better now.
Crusoe Posted February 28, 2010 Posted February 28, 2010 No, I dont think feminism has killed off real men. I think soft living and a lack of decent role models has killed off real men.
calazhage Posted February 28, 2010 Posted February 28, 2010 I have dated plenty of American women in their 20's, and more or less they act like entitled "know it alls". When pushed what they desire is a "dominant" man, but they have no clue as to how to let a man be dominant. Usually when dating the above woman it is more or less like being with a friend that you have sex with. Since much of the romance is gone, or they are basically closed to it, in my opinion most are interchangeable, and once the sex gets boring might as well move to another. Gone are they days when people speak of true love, being together forever, sacrifice, etc. I am lucky to have met a Brazilian girl who is not only breathtakingly beautiful, but also hard working, highly educated and extremely feminine. For myself, I have never ever considered marriage before, but I feel this is the one. Too much time is spent on trying to find ways in which men and women are the same, and not enough time is spent on enjoying how we are truly different, and can bring different qualities to the table to create a whole.
troggleputty Posted February 28, 2010 Posted February 28, 2010 Let's face it: How many truly hot, sexually desirable women are self-defined "feminists"? I'm not talking about maybe some college women/early 20's who may temporarily adopt the "feminist" pose because they believe it to be fashionable...until they want to actually land a man and start making babies, that is. I'm talking about hard-core feminists. How many of them are actually attractive to men? And for that matter, not just physically attractive...but emotionally and psychologically attractive as well? It's very very clear that women who perceive themselves to be "hot" and "desirable" to men are the precise opposite of feminists. These self-perceived "hot" and "desirable" women expect the man to pay for the first date, put on a pedestal, etc. etc. etc.... Self-described "feminists" tend to be extremely bitter, resentful, and insecure about their sexuality. That is, if they actually center their identity around their "feminism." Emotionally healthy women focus their identity around actually trying to find a mate, create a family, and so forth. It's the same as anyone else who centers their identity around any other political ideology. In this case it happens to be "feminism."
Neutrino Posted February 28, 2010 Posted February 28, 2010 Until the feminists purge the misandrists I will assume all are the enemy. LOL - I guess Rosy Palm is the only one who always sticks by your side LOL...... I just had to add this - sorry Woggie - you bring it up in me
Neutrino Posted February 28, 2010 Posted February 28, 2010 (edited) Nah, seriously -people always try to categorize others : Asians, blacks, men, gays, whatever - any washed out stereotype would do to pass judgement on other without bothering to get to know them... I know a bit about human nature - and I guess this dates back to the old monkey-wars in the bush - when you had like 2 seconds to be able to judge who was your friend and who was your enemy. But is this the best we can be today ...? I do not wish to be categorized in any group - I have my own opinions, and my own philosophy and when I receive new information I would like to keep the freedom and flexibility to review and adjust them if necessary. Before we start talking about "real men" (I guess biologically it includes a Y-chromosome), let's talk about "real people".... we still have a long long long way to go.... Edited February 28, 2010 by Neutrino
sally4sara Posted February 28, 2010 Posted February 28, 2010 What is "real men"? It sounds to me like something you would say to same a man who isn't behaving or acting the way YOU think he should. That is sexist and controlling. I think men can decide for themselves what being a "real man" is for them.
sally4sara Posted February 28, 2010 Posted February 28, 2010 Until the feminists purge the misandrists I will assume all are the enemy. I'm not responsible for the actions and behaviors of other people just because they too, have a vagina. Are you responsible for rapists just because you have a penis?
Woggle Posted February 28, 2010 Posted February 28, 2010 This is not something that men will usually talk about in front of women offline but it is something that we feel and that many of us do talk about when there are no women around. The internet has pretty much shown what many men really feel.
Woggle Posted February 28, 2010 Posted February 28, 2010 I'm not responsible for the actions and behaviors of other people just because they too, have a vagina. Are you responsible for rapists just because you have a penis? I am not talking about all women. I am talking about the feminist movment. Women complain about feminist being a dirty word but I never hear a word condemning the women who hide behind it to justify their manhating and generally treating men like garbage.
Woggle Posted February 28, 2010 Posted February 28, 2010 Let's face it: How many truly hot, sexually desirable women are self-defined "feminists"? I'm not talking about maybe some college women/early 20's who may temporarily adopt the "feminist" pose because they believe it to be fashionable...until they want to actually land a man and start making babies, that is. I'm talking about hard-core feminists. How many of them are actually attractive to men? And for that matter, not just physically attractive...but emotionally and psychologically attractive as well? It's very very clear that women who perceive themselves to be "hot" and "desirable" to men are the precise opposite of feminists. These self-perceived "hot" and "desirable" women expect the man to pay for the first date, put on a pedestal, etc. etc. etc.... Self-described "feminists" tend to be extremely bitter, resentful, and insecure about their sexuality. That is, if they actually center their identity around their "feminism." Emotionally healthy women focus their identity around actually trying to find a mate, create a family, and so forth. It's the same as anyone else who centers their identity around any other political ideology. In this case it happens to be "feminism." This is a mistake that men make. There are plenty of feminists that are very attractive on a physical level and they use these looks as a weapon against men.
sally4sara Posted February 28, 2010 Posted February 28, 2010 I am not talking about all women. I am talking about the feminist movment. Women complain about feminist being a dirty word but I never hear a word condemning the women who hide behind it to justify their manhating and generally treating men like garbage. You're not talking about feminists either. You're talking about women with inferiority complexes that mask it with abrasive entitlement attitudes. It is about control. Rape is also about those who feel inferior and seek to remedy that with an aggressive act aimed at taking control. You claim to hate women and fear them. So are you responsible for all the rapists? The fact is woggle, the only time I am faced with real misogyny is on LS and IRL from these same women who terrify you. They are also hateful to other women because, I suspect, deep down they fear they ARE inferior and for this reason can't show respect to other women. That is why they are not and never will be feminists.
troggleputty Posted February 28, 2010 Posted February 28, 2010 I'm not responsible for the actions and behaviors of other people just because they too, have a vagina. Do feminists have vaginas? Are you responsible for rapists just because you have a penis? LOL, you just compared "feminists" to "rapists."
sally4sara Posted February 28, 2010 Posted February 28, 2010 Do feminists have vaginas? LOL, you just compared "feminists" to "rapists." I compared woggle's feminists to rapists because it is about control Troggle, woggle.....I'm going to assume you are his sidekick.
Kamille Posted February 28, 2010 Posted February 28, 2010 Do feminists have vaginas? LOL, you just compared "feminists" to "rapists." No, she compared misandrists to rapists.
troggleputty Posted February 28, 2010 Posted February 28, 2010 This is a mistake that men make. There are plenty of feminists that are very attractive on a physical level and they use these looks as a weapon against men. Possibly, but I've actually never met a really attractive woman who went around proclaiming herself as a "feminist," and certainly, I've never met a really attractive woman who's behaved in the manner that feminists seem to want people to believe they should behave in. LOL. I'll wait patiently to proclaim the dawn of the "age of feminism" when we start seeing multiple threads on LS from men complaining about women who don't pay for them when they go out on dates.
calazhage Posted February 28, 2010 Posted February 28, 2010 (edited) What the feminist movement did is have women trade old fashioned women's roles (raising kids, devotion to a husband, taking care of a household) with giving blowjobs. So even if women today are not "hard core" feminists, they have changed enough so that, in my own personal opinion, they are of less value as wives and mothers, other than offering sex. Neither sex is fulfilled or truly happy. Edited February 28, 2010 by a LoveShack.org Moderator
troggleputty Posted February 28, 2010 Posted February 28, 2010 You're not talking about feminists either. You're talking about women with inferiority complexes that mask it with abrasive entitlement attitudes. So you think there's a difference? Rape is also about those who feel inferior and seek to remedy that with an aggressive act aimed at taking control. You claim to hate women and fear them. So are you responsible for all the rapists? Straw man much? The fact is woggle, the only time I am faced with real misogyny is on LS and IRL from these same women who terrify you. They are also hateful to other women because, I suspect, deep down they fear they ARE inferior and for this reason can't show respect to other women. That is why they are not and never will be feminists. Please stop using terms such as "misogyny", comparisons with rapists, etc., to hyperbolically characterize anyone who merely has a difference of opinion with you. To any self-proclaimed "feminists" out there (and I'm not including any metrosexuals who only pretend to be "feminists" as a form of misguided nice-guyism to get into some girl's pants), let me issue a query: --Rate your physical attractiveness on a 1 - 10 scale with 10 being highest. Honestly now. Can you honestly say that you're better than a 4 or 5 even on your very best days? --Rate your mental and emotional health. Again honestly. --Rate your relationship's health, assuming you are in a relationship. Are you currently involved with a man in a stable, loving, long term and monogamous relationship? Are you happy in that relationship? Is your partner happy in that relationship? --How many times have you ever asked a man out on a date and paid for the whole thing? Not just "dutch treat" paying for your share, but the whole thing? And if you did pay for the whole date, honestly answer whether it was because of your "feminist principles" but you were attracted to him; or instead because you did not want the man to think you were interested in him and didn't want to lead him on by letting him pay? I would wager there is not a SINGLE WOMAN on LS who could respond affirmatively to all of the above questions, i.e.: Self defined as a "feminist"; More than a "4" or "5" in physical attractiveness; emotionally/mentally healthy; currently in a happy stable long term monogamous relationship with a member of the opposite sex, who is also happy; ever paid for a date because of her feminist principles rather than due to lack of interest in the other person.
troggleputty Posted February 28, 2010 Posted February 28, 2010 No, she compared misandrists to rapists. LOL you need to re-read the thread.
ADF Posted February 28, 2010 Posted February 28, 2010 It is not interesting. It is not even original. The idea that feminism killed "real" manhood first gained wide currency in the early 1980s and has been trumpeted nonstop ever since. But the truth is that while feminism changed women a great deal and led to significant social changes, it barely changed men at all.
sally4sara Posted February 28, 2010 Posted February 28, 2010 Please stop using terms such as "misogyny", comparisons with rapists, etc., to hyperbolically characterize anyone who merely has a difference of opinion with you. I'm going to make any comparison I find relevant. You can choose to not read if you can't deal with it. On to the next tho I'm not sure what it has to do with anything. let me issue a query: --Rate your physical attractiveness on a 1 - 10 scale with 10 being highest. Honestly now. Can you honestly say that you're better than a 4 or 5 even on your very best days? My husband says 8 or 9 so I'll say a 7 . I've always been considered very attractive in the vast majority of my social interactions. --Rate your mental and emotional health. Again honestly. I am pretty even keel. I have many friends who value my perspective. I don't carry much anger in my life and I am satisfied being who I am. --Rate your relationship's health, assuming you are in a relationship. Are you currently involved with a man in a stable, loving, long term and monogamous relationship? Are you happy in that relationship? Is your partner happy in that relationship? I have a great 6 year relationship with a great man who is my husband and a great relationship with my wonderful son who is twelve and will be attending some classes at John Hopkins next year. --How many times have you ever asked a man out on a date and paid for the whole thing? Not just "dutch treat" paying for your share, but the whole thing? And if you did pay for the whole date, honestly answer whether it was because of your "feminist principles" but you were attracted to him; or instead because you did not want the man to think you were interested in him and didn't want to lead him on by letting him pay? I absolutely have asked men out and yes I have paid for the entire meal on a few occasions. I asked my husband out on our first date and I paid the bill. But most often I went dutch even if he asked, even if I asked; we are grown people not children. I'm not really concerned with money beyond covering my basic needs. I like second hand clothes and sewing my own. Spending money isn't a talent. I would wager there is not a SINGLE WOMAN on LS who could respond affirmatively to all of the above questions, i.e.: Self defined as a "feminist"; More than a "4" or "5" in physical attractiveness; emotionally/mentally healthy; currently in a happy stable long term monogamous relationship with a member of the opposite sex, who is also happy; ever paid for a date because of her feminist principles rather than due to lack of interest in the other person. Forest for the trees......
betamanlet Posted February 28, 2010 Posted February 28, 2010 Women now have the same freedoms that men have (generally, but only in some parts of the world, and still with limitations). I don't think that all women require more dominant/intelligent/successful/whatever partners. But most of us do require either a partner who is on our level, or one who will not be so threatened by our abilities that may exceed his own that his fear of loss drives him to irrational, relationship-destroying behavior. A "real man" is qualitatively the same as a "real woman" -- because he is comfortable with himself and his capabilities, he is not consumed with fear of loss (she's going to cheat on me, she'll realize she can do better and leave me, etc.). Insecure, fear-struck men used to be the ones who controlled and abused their women. They can't get away with that anymore (not as easily, anyway), so they use different forms of attack. And that's never attractive. Freedoms, but what about responsibilities? When will women have to register for the draft or face jail like all american men have to?
Lizzie60 Posted February 28, 2010 Posted February 28, 2010 I'm in no way bitter or angry at women. I've once heard in a conversation, (not on here), which detailed why women were having such trouble finding a real man. One replied, 'feminism killed real men'. After giving it some thought,I thought it was interesting to say the least. Did the fight for gender equality yield unintended results in the field of romance? What do you think? The bold part is what caught my attention.. I find it ridiculous that we even HAVE to fight for equality... it should be .. period. As for men who think feminism killed real men... I will say that these so called real men .. are not really real men.. they are 'chicken shyt' who simply feel threaten by a strong woman.. "Real men' here is more translated by 'immature macho men'... the true real men won't even question this notion.. it's a fact in their mind.. woman and men are intellectually equal.. it's simple as that..
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