Did feminism kill off real men?

[donnamaybe]

I agree. There does seem to be a "male bashing" of sorts going on. Check this out --->http://www.loveshack.org/forums/showpost.php?p=2685537&postcount=56

 

Note how he claims what the new "generation of men" is like.

[donnamaybe]

Of course I do not want to marry 4 women. That's like getting nagged in quadrophonic sound

 

Oh! So now your wife is a nag, eh?

 

I knew it wouldn't last. Not with your attitude.

[sally4sara]

Of course I do not want to marry 4 women. That's like getting nagged in quadrophonic sound but the fact of the matter is my approach works with women. When I used to be a feminist man I didn't have nearly that level of luck.

 

No it doesn't work for you. You cannot stop checking up snoop style on your wife. You cannot just relax and share your love. You married her due to her age because you felt it would prevent children as you believe having a child in marriage make a man a target. Then you start wanting to walk away from her because you want to go exact revenge by being a player and maliciously using women.

 

I think you need to look up the definition of success. It doesn't apply to your con job of a marriage.

[stillafool]

 

Then this movement wants to change the role of men and says women should now take half the hard jobs, die equally in war, provide for men, and now men should stay home with babies while women support them, under the umbrella of "Turning the tables to now be 'equal'"..

 

 

A lot of men are being SAHD's these days and love it. It is not a easy job. Their wives make more money so it makes more sense for him to quit his job and stay home with the kids.

 

 

What if millions of men bought into this, but men still wanted to keep the "good parts" of the old fashioned ways.. Men still expect women to cook and clean at home, BUT no longer view women as someone they should provide for. Actually men are taught to have disdain for women.

 

Most of the married women I know who work are still expected to come home and cook, clean, help the kids with homework, and provide sex for their lazy husbands. These women are wearing themselves to an early grave.

 

The more I think of it, feminism is a sick movement that is 100% unnatural...

 

Well you'd better get used to it because it isn't going to revert back to what it was.

[stillafool]

Each man and woman chooses their own path in life, and has a choice to change it each day. I care not for what "other women" do, just find the woman that fits you. Period. Stick to your values.

 

For the umpteen pages we have before us, you could have been finding a woman who meets your standards, values, and beliefs, instead of whining over the lack thereof.

 

 

This is so right on. Why don't you guys, Woggle, Calizahagy, Mr. White, Meerkat, etc. stop complaining about "ALL" women and just find the woman who fits you? Woggle is married to what seems to be a great woman, so just be happy with her and stop worrying about and getting upset with what other women do. You have the woman you want so why do you care about the rest of the female species? It's none of your business and it doesn't affect you in the least. You are not in the dating game anymore, remember?

 

Calizahagy, why do you care? Aren't you with the 'love of your life' with your new brazillian gf? Which btw, even though she is "so great" you still screw around on her by dealing with an American woman (which btw you say you hate American women). Why don't you ask her to marry you and stop worrying about the rest of the females here in America? You have found someone who matches you, what the hell are you waiting on? You have what you want but you still continue to bitoch!

 

There are many women out there Mr. White and Meerkat who will cook, clean, wash your car, shine your shoes, spit out your babies and all these things that you desire. Go find her and stop crying over the past. Afterall, when you get the girl you want, how is it your business what other women do?

[donnamaybe]

Do you think some of them have a need for there to be these mysterious, awful "other women" to explain why they don't have one?

 

I know that isn't the excuse of someone who claims to be happily married, but for those who claim to have some girlfriend somewhere who is, coincidentally, NOT American and, for that reason, perfect - maybe?

[Jersey Shortie]

Way to prove my point.......

 

I have read some of her stuff and she is way more open-minded and less generalizing than someone of your nature.

 

Please point me in the direction of a men bashing thread of hers.

 

Thank you!

 

I have an assignment for you.

 

Go through the threads from the past 48 hours and copy and paste the links on here to all the men bashing threads and then I will copy and paste all the ones for the women bashing threads and lets see who's list is bigger.

 

An astute challenge to be sure!

[A O]

He put a "boot" into the arses of the "men" on this thread whining about how women are ruining their lives.

"Most men are of the deplorable sight today" is what he said. He's painting men with a lot more broader brush than you appear to understand.

 

Do these "men" have a backbone? Are they led around by their noses by women they ALLOW to do so? That is THEIR fault.

For men with questionable backbone, they seem to bother you, and a few others, a lot.

 

just as there are men who want to tromple on the rights of physically weaker people, such as women, and stick their chests out and strut around like roosters.

We all need to be weary of the bullies, but we also need to be weary of the weak. It takes a strong person to stand up to bullies, but likewise, it takes an equally strong person not to be tempted to dominate the weak.

 

 

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[donnamaybe]

"Most men are of the deplorable sight today" is what he said. He's painting men with a lot more broader brush than you appear to understand.

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There are quite a number of juvenile a55 hats these days. Look around you. Doesn't mean we can't all find a good man OR a good woman.

[A O]

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For sure, but not the point. You, and a few others, were complimentary towards a post that put the proverbial boot into "most" men not just a few whingers on this message board as you're trying to claim..

 

 

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[Pyro]

I don't bash men. I just call it like it is and I am more about reality and results then feel good rhetoric and my life is prime example of a behavior leading to good results. How many of these feminist men that women like to call real men actually have successful love lives?

 

The thing is you don't call it like it is. You call it how your life supposedly is (only you know what goes on in your life). You can't speak for anyone who lives outside the world that you see.

 

I would not call your approach having good results. You don't trust your wife, you are very bitter, close minded, and live in a fantasy world for the most part.

 

Of course I do not want to marry 4 women. That's like getting nagged in quadrophonic sound but the fact of the matter is my approach works with women. When I used to be a feminist man I didn't have nearly that level of luck.

 

I very highly doubt it that you had four women wanting to marry you, not with the attitude that you have.

[Woggle]

No it doesn't work for you. You cannot stop checking up snoop style on your wife. You cannot just relax and share your love. You married her due to her age because you felt it would prevent children as you believe having a child in marriage make a man a target. Then you start wanting to walk away from her because you want to go exact revenge by being a player and maliciously using women.

 

I think you need to look up the definition of success. It doesn't apply to your con job of a marriage.

 

I suppose that me dropping down my guard and loving my wife while she has an affair on me because she is bored and wants to find herself would be much better.

[sally4sara]

I suppose that me dropping down my guard and loving my wife while she has an affair on me because she is bored and wants to find herself would be much better.

 

Dude, I'm suppose to think you're exciting when you can only talk about one topic?

 

Your wife has not had an affair. You have no reason to believe she would. You act like you've seen it foretold in Mayan ruins or Nostradamus predicted it on his deathbed. The next deathbed event will be your wife's where upon she might finally be given the credit she's been due all along if she manages to narrowly resist her latent female need to have an affair before that day.

[Woggle]

Dude, I'm suppose to think you're exciting when you can only talk about one topic?

 

Your wife has not had an affair. You have no reason to believe she would. You act like you've seen it foretold in Mayan ruins or Nostradamus predicted it on his deathbed. The next deathbed event will be your wife's where upon she might finally be given the credit she's been due all along if she manages to narrowly resist her latent female need to have an affair before that day.

 

I know how women are and I know that the less you love them the more they love you. Why would my marriage be any different?

[sally4sara]

I know how women are and I know that the less you love them the more they love you. Why would my marriage be any different?

 

 

This is how you build a wall

brick by brick

a mile tall

chocked full of fear

and a heap of denial

 

Sing it woggle, sing it! Sing your little heart out!

[stillafool]

I know how women are and I know that the less you love them the more they love you. Why would my marriage be any different?

 

 

Does your wife know you feel this way?

[Woggle]

Does your wife know you feel this way?

 

No. I wish I could drop this and just love her and cherish and that would be enough to keep her attracted but this is not how women work.

[stillafool]

Oh Woggle, you can just drop this. Don't concentrate on trouble in your marriage but be thankful you didn't end up with the type of woman you hate. Your wife loves you and I'm sure she would be so hurt if she knew how you really felt.

[Pyro]

No. I wish I could drop this and just love her and cherish and that would be enough to keep her attracted but this is not how women work.

 

So you claim to be real and tell it like it is but yet you are too afraid to be yourself around your wife?

 

Doesn't it hurt to live in fear and have the internet be the only place where you can be yourself?

[sally4sara]

So you claim to be real and tell it like it is but yet you are too afraid to be yourself around your wife?

 

Doesn't it hurt to live in fear and have the internet be the only place where you can be yourself?

 

No no, Pyro - you don't get it. You're suppose to admire him and seek to live in the same successful way he has achieved.

 

He is only here to help you.....

[Pyro]

No no, Pyro - you don't get it. You're suppose to admire him and seek to live in the same successful way he has achieved.

 

He is only here to help you.....

 

If that is what success is then I want to fail.

 

When it comes to having a happy and healthy relationship where I can be myself, discuss my fears and concerns, and able to compromise in a healthy manner I have that covered.

 

Impossible for him to help me with something he lacks.

[Woggle]

If that is what success is then I want to fail.

 

When it comes to having a happy and healthy relationship where I can be myself, discuss my fears and concerns, and able to compromise in a healthy manner I have that covered.

 

Impossible for him to help me with something he lacks.

 

A man never truly has that type of relationship.

[marsle85]

A man never truly has that type of relationship.

 

 

Alright Woggle, let's grow up here and buy ourselves a box of tissues. I have been reading these posts and I get it - you're hurting. It totally, 100% sucks. And I sympathize. But generalizing like this isn't going to help anyone, especially you. You sound like a angsty teenager. If you feel men never have those types of relationships, why are you on LS anyway. Do you think you're fooling any of us? We can read right through you, it's easy to see - all you have to do is look. You're hurting. So it's time to get our big boy pants on and help your marriage. Starting with accepting that yes, there is a problem, and yes, it's not perfect- but you have two invested people who have known eachother for years with communication problems.

 

maybe it's time to talk to her like your best friend, and not your wife.

 

And maybe it's time for you to do what we can all do - look at yourself.

[Pyro]

A man never truly has that type of relationship.

 

Way to debate.

 

Once again you are incorrect. Men like myself who are more open-minded than you and aren't afraid to open up can have relationships like that.

[meerkat stew]

Those who were 'killed off' were done so as the weakest members of the male species. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

 

Agree with the first unquoted sentence of the above paragraph. No idea what your point is in the sentence quoted above, as the thread is about cultural changes over the last 50 years, not natural selection.

 

We are disconnected from our past. The prior hierarchy was and still is Rich, White Men. That never changed, even when America was being colonized. The stratification went to Poor, White men...White, Women...Black, Men...Black, Women.

 

First sentence is incorrect other than in television, movies and other corrupted media, a dead old platitude that needs be laid to rest. Despite its flaws, there has never been a time in history when any person is the architect of their dreams with very little social impediment. Government, right or wrong, provides everyone with the tools for advancement in whatever way they choose or not.

 

As for stratification, 98% of human history has been a stratification between a tiny aristocracy and a mass without freedom, regardless of gender or race. You hint at this, yet fail to really hammer the point.

 

Women were subjugated throughout history,

 

*yawn* which is it "women subjugated through history?" or rather "everyone subjugated through history?" We all know the answer as a plain matter of historical fact. So why start out an otherwise good thought by separating out women as being "subjugated?" Women have had it no better nor worse than anyone else historically, including white men.

 

 

Is it really any different today?

 

Yes, worlds of difference between how the massive Asian and hispanic immigration of the late 20th century to date have been assimilated here than in past immigrations. You are buying into an even bigger politically manipulative trick than polarizing gender, by polarizing haves and have nots.

 

Now, they pit the SEXES against one another and the only person to benefit from infighting and sexual disunion is the monster DUBBED SOCIETY.

 

This monster consumes massive quantities of CASH through lawyers, politicians, lobby organizations, marketing budgets, etc by separating the sexes. It also diminishes our power as a PEOPLE on a grand scale by pitting the strongest union AGAINST itself, the family unit.

 

The government is who benefits. The corporations who own the government is who benefits. In the past, the "military industrial complex" was the perceived villain, today it is the government-corporate complex. Society loses.

 

 

FEMINISM IS NOT TO BLAME. It is a belief like anything else. Not ever woman buys into it, whatever form it may exist in IS perverted. It began in an era when a woman's sole purpose was bearing children, waiting hand and foot on a controlling, overbearing man, and she had not voting rights nor ability to own property. She was a ZERO, used on for her womb and ability to clean. Many women would have preferred to kill themselves were it not for their children or strong conviction in an after life.

 

"Feminism" is a myth created for political manipulation, nothing more, nothing less. When was this time when a woman's sole purpose was bearing children. Never. Women have never been mere baby factories, and are equally responsible for men for the victories and defeats of history.

 

"Waiting hand and foot on a controlling, overbearing man?" Please spare me. Rest of the quote is just empty gender-baiting rhetoric not based at all in historical fact.

 

Quite frankly, though, most men are of the deplorable sight today. They let themselves turn to pot. They have no sense of honor, duty, or friendship. They give into being an animal, as opposed to being a MAN (there is a difference).

 

Speak for yourself. The above neither describes me, nor any of my male friends nor male family.

 

 

For the umpteen pages we have before us, you could have been finding a woman who meets your standards, values, and beliefs, instead of whining over the lack thereof.

 

and instead of posting your long post, you could have been taking a nice walk in the park, tending to a plant, or reading a book. So what?