TheLoneSock Posted February 28, 2010 Posted February 28, 2010 Say, you're out by a public pool and there's a mix of 30 people around. There's two types of men around (A and B) that grab your attention: Man A: He seems to attract all the attention; he's good looking, funny, loud (Some would say arrogant), sports player - the jock type, has 3 other men following him around (Beta's), and the ladies are very responsive to him. Man B: is off to the back (Observer type), who's also very good-looking, not interested in attracting attention, is respectful to others, has a witty sense of humor, soft-spoken, isn't concerned with having followers (Kind of the loner type), and many would label him the confident but not arrogant type. Man A would be the type to pick on the weak to prove a point. Man B would be the type to sit back, not engage in anyone else's business, but if Man A were to approach Man B in attempts to starting a fight, Man B would kick his arse, without a doubt. But Man B isn't interested in proving himself. Who would you consider the Alpha Male? Ladies, who would grab your attention more? ...... What? Lol I see your point, but the way you painted the whole picture was just... wtf? You may as well have put a sign above guy B's head that said Alpha male on it, because clearly that's who you wanted the answer to be, since you leaned your audience towards it so obviously. You answered your own question before anyone else even posted.
Taramere Posted February 28, 2010 Posted February 28, 2010 ...... What? Lol I see your point, but the way you painted the whole picture was just... wtf? You may as well have put a sign above guy B's head that said Alpha male on it, because clearly that's who you wanted the answer to be, since you leaned your audience towards it so obviously. You answered your own question before anyone else even posted. It's true that Man A didn't exactly come out of it smelling of roses. An arrogant jock who picks on weaker individuals...whereas B sits there like Yoda, cracking witticisms and being quietly confident.
lino Posted February 28, 2010 Posted February 28, 2010 I reckon that the term alpha/beta male is throw around a lot on this message board and I wonder why? Sounds kind of tacky to me. I rarely hear people discuss things in those terms in real life. Also, why is a jock (another tacky term!) automatically presumed as being dumb?
Green Posted February 28, 2010 Posted February 28, 2010 Say, you're out by a public pool and there's a mix of 30 people around. There's two types of men around (A and B) that grab your attention: Man A: He seems to attract all the attention; he's good looking, funny, loud (Some would say arrogant), sports player - the jock type, has 3 other men following him around (Beta's), and the ladies are very responsive to him. Man B: is off to the back (Observer type), who's also very good-looking, not interested in attracting attention, is respectful to others, has a witty sense of humor, soft-spoken, isn't concerned with having followers (Kind of the loner type), and many would label him the confident but not arrogant type. Man A would be the type to pick on the weak to prove a point. Man B would be the type to sit back, not engage in anyone else's business, but if Man A were to approach Man B in attempts to starting a fight, Man B would kick his arse, without a doubt. But Man B isn't interested in proving himself. Who would you consider the Alpha Male? Ladies, who would grab your attention more? In this description man B would grab the ladies attention. Heck you even had Man B beat up Man A in a fight if it were to happen. You made Man B more confident. Although on paper you'll are saying B, I'd be willing to wager than A would be the first choice IRL. IRL Man A would be more confident and able to kick Man B's tail in a fight. I mean what is Man A captain of a football team or president of the Fraternity of athletes? Man B sounds like a book writer or a landscape artist.... B is the real alpha but 9 times out 10 women would go for A. I have had a few guys try to bully me in the past to impress their and I always enjoyed humiliating when they see I am tougher than I look. Real tough guys move in silence but women like the whole image. When I was much yougner I once had some pretty boy cool guy try to bully me. I beat him up after he started a fight with me for no reason other then to humilate me. After I had beat him up the girl at school I liked went to comfort him. That hurt more then the punch in the face I got. Oh please, this is like a rough copy of every typical Hollywood screenplay ! You know what I look for the VERY first second I enter the "pool party" ? MY type of guy. Tallish, skinny, angular features and dark hair. Think young Keith Richards. Haha it is like the Hollywood screen play. You have the sucessful loud loser, who gets beat out by the quiet confident non-mainstream outsider person... not real life in my opinion. You bring up another great point. Women love tall, dark, and handsome what ever that means to them. I wasn't "swaying" people towards anyone. Yes you did Age 30 and under, she'd try for guy A Over that, guy B Being an old bag at 47, I say who cares? I don't. You make a good point. But seriously guys into their 40's and 50's are going to want girls age 30 and under. If a guy is more like type A gets a girl marries her. Over time he could become more like type B. The problem with B is that people don't find anything alluring about the guy unless they know him or know something about him. In reality girls tend to find the "lone wolf" guy to be creepy. Since this scene is taking place at a pool, it's assumed that this guy is probably there to stare at girls in their bikinis. Since B is off in the back observing in this scenario, who would notice him anyway? Yes if you make guy A simple and negative sentance people don't like him. But if guy A turns out to be the coolest guy in the school who every one loves but happens to make fun of some losers then no one cares. Guy A is our poloticians, movie stars, business leaders. Who is guy B any ways this loner who lives outside of scocietys norms. He will be percieved as a creep by most and he won't care and that will just make people more creeped out by him. Kinda a contrived scenario, imho. People aren't like this for the most part... In some ways people are like this. Obviously its not this simplistic nothing is. But you can say something like the guys who play sports will get more gf's then the guys who are on the chess team and it will make sense to people. I mean there are so many more factors even to my chess team statement. A person can be perfectly sociable and socially competent, and still be something of a loner. By "loner" I mean a certain self-sufficiency you sense about a person. They can be in a group, and they can be having fun in that group... but they don't lose themselves to the group. They're not owned by it. It's hard to explain, but I know it when I see it. A true loner is probably socialy anciouse and will lack confidence in social settings simply from the lack of experience. Mr. Dumb Jock would be more of an alpha--the goal of being a male, in a primiative biological sense, is the spread the seed around! Alpha males are going to be the ones who get more of the ladies, the followers, and well, be the leader of the pack. Yes Mr. Dumb jock would, and type A isn't even necesarily dumb. Truth be told the poorest people are more alpha then the richest because acording to what I read and see they have far more babies then well off people if spread of seed is the goal. I reckon that the term alpha/beta male is throw around a lot on this message board and I wonder why? Sounds kind of tacky to me. I rarely hear people discuss things in those terms in real life. Also, why is a jock (another tacky term!) automatically presumed as being dumb? Alpha/beta... Jocks.. all thought ending sterio types used for communication.
Stung Posted February 28, 2010 Posted February 28, 2010 I wasn't "swaying" people towards anyone. And yes, people are more complicated once you get to know them. This example was two people that you didn't know and observed to have the stated characteristics. Out of curiosity, how exactly am I supposed to observe that IF Man A were to pick a fight, Man B would win, and gauge Man B's interest or lack of interest in proving this hypothetical?
counterman Posted March 1, 2010 Posted March 1, 2010 I would say that I share a few characteristics of Man B as in I am confident in my own ability and do not feel the need to constantly validate myself and prove myself. From what I have observed, when Man A is being a jerk and picking on others, he does not mess with Man B because there is a mutual understanding. It happens around some of my groups of friends. You get the few alphas in the group dominating the conversation and basically teasing other people and being slightly boisterous. Then, there's the quieter ones, who has the respect of the other guys so they aren't subject to any teasing. When they choose to say something, it will be listened to and not shouted over. One incident that happened was when one of the guys being loud and very annoying, thought he would overplay his hand in a situation. He ended up rubbing one of the quieter guys the wrong way. Anyways, the quiet guy broke a piece of branch over that guy's back. From that moment on, that loud guy and any other of those kind of guys never messed with him again. The quiet guy, who is my friend, does very well with girls.
Green Posted March 1, 2010 Posted March 1, 2010 I would say that I share a few characteristics of Man B as in I am confident in my own ability and do not feel the need to constantly validate myself and prove myself. From what I have observed, when Man A is being a jerk and picking on others, he does not mess with Man B because there is a mutual understanding. It happens around some of my groups of friends. You get the few alphas in the group dominating the conversation and basically teasing other people and being slightly boisterous. Then, there's the quieter ones, who has the respect of the other guys so they aren't subject to any teasing. When they choose to say something, it will be listened to and not shouted over. One incident that happened was when one of the guys being loud and very annoying, thought he would overplay his hand in a situation. He ended up rubbing one of the quieter guys the wrong way. Anyways, the quiet guy broke a piece of branch over that guy's back. From that moment on, that loud guy and any other of those kind of guys never messed with him again. The quiet guy, who is my friend, does very well with girls. If you're in Canada then every one you know is type B. j/k
Woggle Posted March 1, 2010 Posted March 1, 2010 Like I said before real bad boys are the quiet types and they move in silence. I know some people who are into some real stuff and you would never suspect it if you met them on the street. They have been in situations that would make these so called tough guys lose control of their bowels and yet they appear to be your average nerdy guy.
Jersey Shortie Posted March 1, 2010 Posted March 1, 2010 Man B by 100000000000000000000 miles. I always liked that type anyway. Do you know of any in New Jersey?
threebyfate Posted March 1, 2010 Posted March 1, 2010 I honestly don't know too many alpha males who are strictly Type A or B. Most are human and have their extroverted and introverted moments. That's why it's so difficult to apply these dumb jock/frat boy and wallflower/bad boy stereotypes, to real life people.
Awesome Username Posted March 1, 2010 Posted March 1, 2010 I would say that the man that is happy with the better social life is the Alpha...so more likely man A.
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