AAlike Posted February 3, 2010 Posted February 3, 2010 It's not the 80s anymore and I haven't seen puffy hair on anyone since 16 Candles. And yes. I do recongnize that women are not always up for sex like men are. And yes. I recongnize that is frustrating. But if a woman is doing her best to meet her man's need *most* of the time, why can't he meet her half way? two nights ago I got home from bowling and was exhausted, not up for sex. my wife was aroused, however, so after I told her I wasn't really into it, she took care of herself. I don't know (nor care) what was on her mind while she did so - by your logic she very well may have cheated on me, correct? and also, what is your feelings on sex toys for women? I would think that a phallic-shaped dildo or vibrator would DEFINITELY be considered infidelity by your logic as well, right? or would it only be permissable if it was a plaster cast mold of your SO's genetalia?
Jersey Shortie Posted February 3, 2010 Posted February 3, 2010 no one has given porn anywhere NEAR the importance and power that you've given it - the industry as a whole should thank you. You are kidding right? Any guy that defends it, gives it importance. You don't defend things that are not important to you. I am so curious about what a first date with you is like - is porn usage brought up like within the first five minutes? do you polygraph guys? I probably should but I don't. I never told a boyfriend he couldn't view it. and FWIW, not as if you'll listen, but I don't "picture yourself doing some girl" when I have watched porn. it's a MOVIE - hence it is shot like any other MOVIE in which the intent is to invoke a certain response. But so many men say they watch it for the variety *in* women and that they *do* sometimes picture themselves with a girl. and as far as the women's looks and outfits - as I've said before, people want to see "beautiful" people in all forms of media, that's pretty obvious. Why should porn be any different? in fact, I would argue that porn is actually more tolerant of imperfections in women's bodies than other forms of media. No one is arguing that. The type of women that are in porn are what men *really* want. So it's clear to every woman 30+ that what men really want are 18 year olds with breast implants *most* of the time.
RobM Posted February 4, 2010 Posted February 4, 2010 It's not the 80s anymore and I haven't seen puffy hair on anyone since 16 Candles. And yes. I do recongnize that women are not always up for sex like men are. And yes. I recongnize that is frustrating. But if a woman is doing her best to meet her man's need *most* of the time, why can't he meet her half way? I have no problem with that, what would you consider half way, sometimes he uses porn when she's not in the mood and sometimes not? Must have been an old pic of you, sitting on a stool in the kitchen, fuzzy boots and puffy hair, lol.
BobSacamento Posted February 4, 2010 Posted February 4, 2010 For women it's all about control. Rationalize it all you want, but you are just a control freak in the end.
jenifer1972 Posted February 4, 2010 Posted February 4, 2010 two nights ago I got home from bowling and was exhausted, not up for sex. my wife was aroused, however, so after I told her I wasn't really into it, she took care of herself. I don't know (nor care) what was on her mind while she did so - by your logic she very well may have cheated on me, correct? and also, what is your feelings on sex toys for women? I would think that a phallic-shaped dildo or vibrator would DEFINITELY be considered infidelity by your logic as well, right? or would it only be permissable if it was a plaster cast mold of your SO's genetalia? :lmao:Now THAT is hysterical... Now I know what to ask for for Valentine's day!
Jersey Shortie Posted February 4, 2010 Posted February 4, 2010 For women it's all about control. Rationalize it all you want, but you are just a control freak in the end. For men it is also about control. Please. Lets be realistic. I have no problem with that, what would you consider half way, sometimes he uses porn when she's not in the mood and sometimes not? Halfway would be that she makes herself an open partner *most* of the time and he doesn't view porn. Must have been an old pic of you, sitting on a stool in the kitchen, fuzzy boots and puffy hair, lol. Umm, those boots are Uggs and my hair is not puffy. And how do you even know that picture????????? Is it somewhere around here that I am unaware of?
Jersey Shortie Posted February 4, 2010 Posted February 4, 2010 ShamWow, you tell me not to judge but you judge me and your sister. I HATE when people think the answer is just to watch it with him! It's such a joke. How come people don't say "Just put the porn down!". How is that any kind of answer except an answer that clearly best benefits him? Why in the world would I want to have good sex only because we viewed porn? That makes no sense! Watch it with him? LOL. That's not an answer. That's a judgement and a demand in wanting pople to conform to be more like them.
RobM Posted February 4, 2010 Posted February 4, 2010 Halfway would be that she makes herself an open partner *most* of the time and he doesn't view porn. So your definition of compromise is she gets everything she wants and he just has to live with it?
Jersey Shortie Posted February 4, 2010 Posted February 4, 2010 (edited) So your definition of compromise is she gets everything she wants and he just has to live with it? If she is putting in the effort to be with him most of the time, and that probably includes times she doesn't always feel it, what is she getting more then him and what is it that you think he is being denied? Edited February 4, 2010 by a LoveShack.org Moderator
hollywood undead Posted February 4, 2010 Posted February 4, 2010 Rob, how did you know about that picture of me? I don't recall sharing a picture of me on this board. You've conveniently ignored that. And I would perfer there were not pictures of me floating around that I don't know about. He's referring to okcupid, I guess......I saw the pics too. That's what happens when you kinda use the same user name on different websites.
rod_in_gtown Posted February 4, 2010 Posted February 4, 2010 Ok, maybe not 100% of men watch it, but I'd say closer to 95% LOL. I thought women had men figured out, they know what they want. Why this comes as a surprise to any woman this day and age is beyond me. Oh no!!! Why did you cave? I was rooting for you!! Ok, before I continue with my reply, I'm going to define - for the sake of this pointless argument - some of the terms used in this discussion. Porn / Pornography: An erotic form of media that the viewer finds sexually arousing. (I'll come back to this later. The meaning of this word and its implication is distorted) Watches rarely: The blue unicorn of masturbation, this specimen watches less than once a year. Watches once in a while: Let's call these the busy adults in a sexually gratifying relationship who may only watch when the partner is away no more than twice a month (about 24 times a year) Watches regularly: For the sake of argument, let's say that someone watching porn about 2 times a week is a regular watcher (About 104 times a year). Watches all the time: Let's say that this person watches once or more a day (more than 365 days a year) Back onto the matter of the word Pornography, It comes from the greek "Porne" which means "prostitute" and Latin "Graphein" which means to describe. Porne comes from the earlier greek "bought, purchased" and was later used to describe the purchase of female slaves for sexual purposes and prostitution. The term was used since early rome to describe the salaciousness of harlots, and it later evolved to mean nude and sexual media. It is more accurate to describe the material as erotic media as opposed to pornography. Ok, Back to the discussion. No, I don't believe that all men watch porn regularly, I would even say that not all men watch porn once in a while (but I would say at least 95% of them do). However I would say that ALL 100% of the male sexually active population has seen some form of media that they find arousing and they may directly or indirectly use the media or the memory of that media to receive a form of sexual gratification. (Yes, this does include MissJoness' father) I will agree that there are men who have serious psychological scars and that use erotic media as a way to self soothe more often than the majority of men do. Some of these men would indeed exhibit some form of antisocial behavior or social awkwardness that would be better attributed as a result of their self-isolation caused by the very same emotional scars they are trying to soothe. However, this behavior is harmless and likely modifyable with therapy and more social interaction. Erotic media is not a gateway activity into deviant sexual behavior, nor a activity that makes the actor an untrustworthy, vile dejection of a human being. There is no evidence to support this claim in modern or ancient times. It may be true of her personal relationships but that's likely to weigh on the author's deeper seated psychological scars of said personal experiences rather than the outcome of sensory overload of erotic media. I believe that MissJoness has had negative interactions with socially awkward males and it has shaped her judgment in a way that it makes sense for her to associate all men who watch erotic media for self gratification more than once a day into socially awkward "creeps" (by her own definition, fat balding men in their mid 40s who eat copious amounts of chicken wings during masturbation). It's very likely that this encapsulation of a certain portion of society allows her to have control over her obsessive compulsive need to maintain control over all aspects of her life. This is clearly evidenced from her early childhood with the overwhelming scrutiny of every possible square inch in her family home, as well as the house and dwelling of her partner in her search for erotic media. From her complete disdain I would venture to guess with a high degree of certainty that this person has had very little to no exposure to erotic media. She has probably built a complete notion based on comments from like-minded people. Which would explain the radicalism of her views. Since she has had no direct exposure to the media, and by that same token, no real means of making an opinion about it based on experience, I would say it is an excercise in futility to attempt to convince her of the positive aspects of erotic media. No its not. Its the men that become so heavily addicted to porn that they'd rather watch it and jerk off than have sex with their wife/girlfriend. This probably falls in the socially awkward end of the spectrum. It's not a direct effect of the media itself but deeper issues that have to do with his own sexual health. Nope. Because I have yet to run across a guy who watches porn on a regular basis that does not come across as a creep It seems to me like your neighborhood is filled with these 40-something fat balding men that crave chicken wings during masturbation. Maybe you should move? My father did NOT watch porn. And you have no right to say that he does because you do NOT know him like that. He definitely sounds like he's not in the regular or always category but between the rarely and once in a while sounds more like him. You seem to have issues separating sexual behavior with social skills. They are not mutually inclusive or depend on each other to exist. No they do not. There are underage girls all over the internet featured in porn all the time. Anybody can upload pornography themselves featuring an underaged girl online and show it on the web. This is more the exception than the norm. Where there's a profit, there will always be a criminal looking to exploit those who cannot protect themselves. All American mainstream adult entertainment companies comply with the law. If you're viewing porn on a regular basis than youre an addict to me. And someone I would not trust to be in a committed relationship at all. No telling what other inappropriate things you may venture off and look at when I am not around (child/underage pornography/weird fetishes). Its so easy to caught up in that mess since its one click away.. Again, refer to my frequency chart and gateway assessment. If a guy tells me he has a whole collection of porn on his computer, his value in my eyes goes downhill. He is not relationship or marriage material at all. I stay away from him. I met a guy, and went onto his computer to find a bunch of porn icons and porn sites found in history. Total creep. He viewed porn all day long. Trifling. The same can be said about your views on erotica. You may not be marriage material for them, so everyone is happy. No, I wont be lonely or with a liar. Because not every man views porn all the time. True, the vast majority of men do not watch erotic media all the time. This is actually a very small percent of the population. Regularly is the same as all the time Ummm.... ok? Why have different words if their meanings are all the same? You make way to big of a deal out of it. Therein lies the problem. The problem is not porn, but your attitude about it. Very true. However her attitude about it only affects her and her future husband and she seems to be quite happy with her choices. So nobody gets hurt.
You'reasian Posted February 4, 2010 Posted February 4, 2010 The porn threads have gotten me curious. 1. When you're in a serious, committed relationship do you continue to regularly view porn assuming that you're being satisfied sexually by your partner? 2. Does the frequency with which you view or whether you view it at all correspond to how strongly you feel about your partner? In other words, do you still look at porn when you're completely head over heels for a woman and getting regular sex with her? 3. Do you imagine having sex with your SO when looking at the porn? My boyfriend told me that he hasn't been able to get off to porn since we started dating and has lost all interest in other women. I thought this was sweet and interesting, but it wouldn't have bothered me had he continued to view porn. I'm wondering how applicable this is to guys in general when they feel very strongly about a woman. 1. No, I view it alot less. 2. If I love my gf, I don't feel the need to look at it - hardly at all - but I adapt. If my gf likes to look at porn and use toys, I expect her to be ok with me looking at it. 3. Frequently.
You'reasian Posted February 4, 2010 Posted February 4, 2010 You make a lot of assumptions. Anyway, you are one of those women who are going to find yourself shacked up with a good liar or a con artist. Then you'll be back on here pouting that you found porn on your "perfect" man's computer, or something else trivial in nature. Women like you are soooo easy to figure out. All you have to do is tell you want you want to hear and walk the walk for a while. Wait until we get you sucked in, then let it all out and toss you to the curb like a piece of garbage. Now all of that is way too much work for me, but your everyday con artist will do the job nicely. Its terrible for us men to look at porn... but somehow not so bad for women to buy toys, right? lol
Jersey Shortie Posted February 4, 2010 Posted February 4, 2010 You make way to big of a deal out of it. Therein lies the problem. The problem is not porn, but your attitude about it. And how does not watching porn benefit him? For the love of GOD, this is why guys cheat! I would much rather my girlfriend watch some porn that go out and cheat. You are 100% right. It is my attitude. Just at it is your attitude to respond the way you are. Just as it's everyone's attitude to respond to this thread or any situation as they do. How does porn benefit a man so greatly he needs to defend it like many men seem to have a great desire to do so? Is the benefit men get from porn that huge, great and really adds that much more to their lives? This is why guys cheat? Because they can't look at porn? How many more negative bad traits would you like to justify based on being a "man"? You make a lot of assumptions. As do you. Women like you are soooo easy to figure out. All you have to do is tell you want you want to hear and walk the walk for a while. Wait until we get you sucked in, then let it all out and toss you to the curb like a piece of garbage. At this point, I wonder less about the porn and wonder more why this scenerio makes you feel good..or if not that, makes you happily say it with glee. As if you take pleasure in a woman being lied to and kicked about.
Jersey Shortie Posted February 4, 2010 Posted February 4, 2010 The term was used since early rome to describe the salaciousness of harlots, and it later evolved to mean nude and sexual media. It is more accurate to describe the material as erotic media as opposed to pornography. Considering how we define it in modern culture, and not Roman times, i think it's perfectly correct to define it as "porn". No, I don't believe that all men watch porn regularly, I would even say that not all men watch porn once in a while (but I would say at least 95% of them do). If most men did not view porn regularly, it wouldn't be a billion dollar industry and ever growing. However I would say that ALL 100% of the male sexually active population has seen some form of media that they find arousing and they may directly or indirectly use the media or the memory of that media to receive a form of sexual gratification. (Yes, this does include MissJoness' father) I think it's a little mean how a few of you clearly want to push Miss Joness buttons and keep brining up her father as if you know him better then she does. Why don't we leave the family comments out of and stick to the subject? I will agree that there are men who have serious psychological scars and that use erotic media as a way to self soothe more often than the majority of men do. Some of these men would indeed exhibit some form of antisocial behavior or social awkwardness that would be better attributed as a result of their self-isolation caused by the very same emotional scars they are trying to soothe. However, this behavior is harmless and likely modifyable with therapy and more social interaction. But that's just it, a man doesn't need to be self isolated or sexually akward to have issues with porn. yes, there are men out there as you describe. However, there are also men out there that function daily that have issues with porn too. Something most men don't even seem to want to touch on. All of you seem to want to forge together and pat each other on the back for your porn use and mock women for it. There is such an ironic preening and pushing to make porn seem harmless when in this day and age, with the amount that is out there and the kind that is out there, it just isn't. More men and boys are spending more time with porn. That's a fact. More men and boys are spending time with porn that's become more hardcore. That's a fact. We aren't talking about cave drawings on a wall. We are talking about things that men and boys can see everyday at the finger tips on a non-stop reel. Many drug addicts can function daily in high profile jobs. Doesn't mean they don't have an issue. Porn can be the same. There doesn't need to be some man in his basement who hasn't shaved for a month and never changes his bathrobe or can't talk to women for him to have an issue with porn. Erotic media is not a gateway activity into deviant sexual behavior, nor a activity that makes the actor an untrustworthy, vile dejection of a human being. Sure it is. Do you think 10 years ago men were asking their partners if they can ejaculate on their face or have anal sex to the extent that men today do? Lets be honest here. Porn has changed the expectations of sex. Men are asking for things today that they didn't ask for only 10 years ago. Sure these things existed but not to the degree and extent they do today. Not to the limit that men seem to want to push. And you are right, it might not make the actor an untrustworthy, vile dejection of a human being. But funny how you comment on "actor" not "actress". How many men have a true respect for a woman in porn? How man men call her "slut" or other four letter names and think she deserve to be exploited and treated a certain way? how many men are more then happy to see women objectified, abused and humilated for their benefit? How many women 30+ have to watch their husbands oggle girls "just legal"? No men are not the dejected as human beings in porn. Women are. And that's okay right? You say most men don't look at porn regularly. Find us a substantial statistic to support that please. Because a billion dollar + industry is not made on something that most men don't view regularly.
Jersey Shortie Posted February 4, 2010 Posted February 4, 2010 Garbage in, garbage out. Then you consider women garbage and you seem to take a certain glee in treating them as such. This explains alot and it also warrents no more discussion with you.
BobSacamento Posted February 4, 2010 Posted February 4, 2010 For men it is also about control. Please. Lets be realistic. Not it's not. Being realistic, it's about privacy. When women fail to respect that, it becomes a control issue. Women want to control the man's privacy. That is an abusive relationship.
phineas Posted February 4, 2010 Posted February 4, 2010 The porn threads have gotten me curious. 1. When you're in a serious, committed relationship do you continue to regularly view porn assuming that you're being satisfied sexually by your partner? 2. Does the frequency with which you view or whether you view it at all correspond to how strongly you feel about your partner? In other words, do you still look at porn when you're completely head over heels for a woman and getting regular sex with her? 3. Do you imagine having sex with your SO when looking at the porn? My boyfriend told me that he hasn't been able to get off to porn since we started dating and has lost all interest in other women. I thought this was sweet and interesting, but it wouldn't have bothered me had he continued to view porn. I'm wondering how applicable this is to guys in general when they feel very strongly about a woman. 1. that would mean sex in the morning & sex at night. if i'm getting it every few days i'll spank it. whether it's to porn or not. 2. doesn't matter. It's not even really the women in the porn. It's what their doing. I like the amateur stuff. the chick ain't exactly super hot. But their sure naughty. 3. I used to imagine I was the guy & she was the chick getting railed on the hood of a car in a parking lot. That is all moot though. I'm now separated & can't remember the last time I got laid so Porn helps me out. I watch it in 5 min. increments. when I decide I want to date again & I think there is a chance of sex you can bet i'll fire up some porn & clean out the pipes. If I didn't I can promise i'll give that lucky woman the best 1 1/2 mins. of her life.
Scottdmw Posted February 4, 2010 Posted February 4, 2010 I’m a male, and I pretty much never look at porn. I think it's been about 3 times in the last 4 years. I used to do it a little more often, but I really don't feel like it's a good thing. Humans learn through pleasure and pain. We learn what we’re supposed to do in life, and what we’re supposed to avoid. So, here is what porn does. It makes a part of the guy’s brain think that he has just succeeded in attracting one of the most beautiful women in the world. It gives him a huge mental “payout” for that difficult feat. Except, he didn't really do it. He's getting the pleasure without actually having to do the hard work. Basically, the more porn he uses, the more it kills his motivation to do the hard work of actually attracting a real beautiful woman. He “learns” that the things in porn are normal. Porn as it exists today is not at all a natural thing. It did not exist worth talking about during the millions of years of human evolution. The human body and brain do not really know what to do with it, in a similar way that they don't know what to do with crack, heroin, etc. The human male did not evolve to need porn-- it's not like it's some kind of requirement. At best it's the same thing as eating a diet of highly refined sugar all day long, it tastes good but you don't get the nutrition. It is a very good analogy, it's just like starting with fresh fruit, and taking out all the fiber, vitamins, antioxidants, etc., until you're just left with the sucrose, the part that tastes good. There are a lot of people out there that have a lot of problem with porn addiction, there are entire websites devoted to this. If you use porn and are defending it, consider that you have a very strong interest in believing that it's okay. You would have to give up a lot of pleasure if it wasn't. On the other hand, those of us who are trying to talk people out of it would not have to give up anything if we turned out to be wrong. In fact, it would “free” us to go experience the supposed wonders of porn. Most of us in fact have experienced that, and have chosen for one reason or another to stay away. If you want to ignore all this and say that porn is somehow normal and healthy, no one will stop you. But, if time passes and you are no longer so sure that it's not hurting you, think about it all again. Scott
skydiveaddict Posted February 5, 2010 Posted February 5, 2010 (edited) If you want to ignore all this and say that porn is somehow normal and healthy, no one will stop you. But, if time passes and you are no longer so sure that it's not hurting you, think about it all again. Scott qft. Porn can become a dangerous addiction. Like I said before it is a complete distortion of human intimacy. I watched it ruin a good friend's marriage Edited February 5, 2010 by skydiveaddict
skydiveaddict Posted February 5, 2010 Posted February 5, 2010 Porn erodes the soul. Amen to that BTW, isnt that animal cruelty to paint your dog up like that?
meerkat stew Posted February 5, 2010 Posted February 5, 2010 This thread got me nostalgic, so I dug out some choice issues from my Playboy Special Edition collection from the 80s and decided to have a tug. Laid in bed, flipping through the pages full of my old bunny friends, and lo and behold, my most recent ex invaded the mental party. I put down the mag and concentrated on some of the things that crazy little minx used to do. I have never seen a woman grab so high up my scrolled iron headboard as that one used to while banging, looked like she was on the rack or the cross depending on perspective, and the things she could do with her legs at the same time? Mama mia, for a short little skinny girl she could twist those legs. And all of a sudden... ahhh... sweet release. And still consider myself a porn free zone. Now, want to reask the question to some of the women in the thread, is it more troublesome that some men look at porn, or that ALL men have a "rotation" of sexual memories of VERY REAL experiences with exes to draw on? Which is more troublesome to you ladies? Wouldn't you rather your man look at and jack to some remote woman on the net he's never even seen in 3d than rehash a permanent mental TiVo clip of a REAL romp with the woman he broke up with a mere two months before you met? Hmmm? I really want to know.
Hot Carl Posted February 5, 2010 Posted February 5, 2010 You might want to blame God and Jesus then, because he made penises and vaginas. You bible thumpers scare me. Hey, man, dry your eyes. I didn't mean to strike a nerve. If you need porn, you can have it. It makes no difference to me what happens to your flimsy little soul.
rod_in_gtown Posted February 5, 2010 Posted February 5, 2010 Considering how we define it in modern culture, and not Roman times, i think it's perfectly correct to define it as "porn". I was illustrating a word usage to possibly illustrate what most people were probably unaware of in the first place. I choose to call it Erotic media, you choose to call it porn. To me, my choice seems better suited but to each his own If most men did not view porn regularly, it wouldn't be a billion dollar industry and ever growing. Considering the amount of sexually active men, a billion dollar industry is quite small if you consider the per-capita cost of erotic media. I think it's a little mean how a few of you clearly want to push Miss Joness buttons and keep brining up her father as if you know him better then she does. Why don't we leave the family comments out of and stick to the subject? True, we don't know her father as she does, I was trying to put things in perspective and possibly make her think about what it is that she thinks she knows and the possibility that there are things she might not know about her father. Of course he's not going to say "well darling, of course I have masturbated to a picture of a beautiful woman naked". But that doesn't mean he hasn't. If she believes something with such blind faith, there is nothing but disappointment in her future relationships because nobody can measure up to that ideal. It's a choice, she can choose to believe she knows everything she needs to know and push everything aside, or decide to accept the possibilities and expand her horizons. Just as she may perfectly decide that what I say is rubbish and that I don't know my fanny from my nose. But that's just it, a man doesn't need to be self isolated or sexually akward to have issues with porn. An issue is only an issue if it prevents you from pursuing your happiness, if the release of using erotic media gives him the peace and lucidity to tackle the rest of his business sensibly, then it is not an issue to him. Only to you. and in the grand scheme of things, what you think of a person who uses porn is inconsequential to his pursuit of happiness. There is such an ironic preening and pushing to make porn seem harmless when in this day and age, with the amount that is out there and the kind that is out there, it just isn't. More men and boys are spending more time with porn. That's a fact. More men and boys are spending time with porn that's become more hardcore. That's a fact. Erotic media has been around for thousands of years. You may argue that it has led to the decay of every civilization before this one but that, again, is inconsequential because there's no proof. Only conjectures drawn up from your moral compass. Just because you say something is a "fact", doesn't make it so. This is not an invention of modern day, extreme sexual practices have existed since before recorded history, (that is not a fact, but a conjecture drawn up by my own rationale) however you only need to look at roman history to see that "immoral" sexual behavior existed before the dawn of the accessibility brought on by the internet. Many drug addicts can function daily in high profile jobs. Doesn't mean they don't have an issue. Porn can be the same. Again, only an issue if it prevents you from your own pursuit of happiness, and that's for the individual to decide. Not someone else's moral compass. Sure it is. Do you think 10 years ago men were asking their partners if they can ejaculate on their face or have anal sex to the extent that men today do? Lets be honest here. Porn has changed the expectations of sex. Men are asking for things today that they didn't ask for only 10 years ago. 10 years ago? of course they did. 100 or even 1,000 years ago? yes. that too. sexual creativity has been around as long as creativity has. Physical pleasure coupled by experimentation and curiosity has existed as long as those urges have existed. Just because a religious moral dictum that has been around for 2,000 years makes some sexual acts immoral doesn't mean they have not been around before. I will agree with you that some of the stereotypes of erotic media has limited the creativity of the individual by dictating what's beautiful and arousing. But the lack of excercise of the creative side of the brain is also atrophied by mass media, erotic or not. While it causes a dystrophy of the creativity, it also offers alternatives. It's not a good system but it's part of today's world. And you are right, it might not make the actor an untrustworthy, vile dejection of a human being. But funny how you comment on "actor" not "actress". How many men have a true respect for a woman in porn? How man men call her "slut" or other four letter names and think she deserve to be exploited and treated a certain way? how many men are more then happy to see women objectified, abused and humilated for their benefit? How many women 30+ have to watch their husbands oggle girls "just legal"? No men are not the dejected as human beings in porn. Women are. And that's okay right? Now you're twisting my words to boost yourself on your soapbox about gender issues. My choice of actor is not in reference to a male performer in some sort of play, actor, is the subject that performs an act. In the context I was using, "actor", refers to the individual who uses erotic media for sexual gratification. In your eyes, a woman who chooses to be a part of any piece of erotic media, is automatically being objectified, regardless of her excercise of free will. Doesn't that, by the same token, mean that you objectify that same woman by judging her without regard for her choice to be a part of it? Don't answer that. It's a rhetorical question and serves no real purpose for the sake of this argument. The point of the thread was to evaluate the worth of a man for his part in the use of erotic media everything else is probably pertinent to another thread. You say most men don't look at porn regularly. Find us a substantial statistic to support that please. Because a billion dollar + industry is not made on something that most men don't view regularly. I don't have to find your evidence for you. If you don't believe my opinion, it's up to you to educate yourself on what you think is feasible. To me, logical deduction serves me just fine. If you don't like my opinions then don't read them. It doesn't affect me either way. You and I have had this difference of oppinion before, and it's really not going to change, I may argue your points just because I enjoy debate and I suspect you do so for the same reasons. I enjoy questioning radical points because I like to question everything. As I re-read my past post I even question my own statements. I do appreciate you taking the time to read through my extensive brain diarrhea.
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