txsilkysmoothe Posted February 3, 2010 Posted February 3, 2010 To the ongoing MissJones, Homer, Fishfry porn Debate I say this. Not all men look at porn. Don't throw out fake statistics, Maybe 99.999% look at porn regularly.... maybe only 50% do, the point is who studies this and how accurate could a study on this even be? I personaly have looked at alot of porn in my life. I have chosen to not look at porn anymore. Its not like I'm a saint, I still want bj's and doggy and what ever other perverted things in my life. I just don't want to be staring at 2-d women, or even be going to strip clubs. I think you've lost control of yourself when you waste your time or money on fake sex. Its not that I plan on making a baby every time I have sex, but atleast its real. I'm even against masterbation for the most part unless you have no alternative and in that case I would recomend keeping it to a minimum of once a week. Looking at porn on the internet will pervert you. There is no way I would have ever thought of cumming on a girls face, or double penetration, or tranny women on my own. But if you look at porn or buy porn there is no way around it. You will catch a glimpse of tranny porn being advertised, you will see a cum shot or squirters or ect... you will see stuff your mind would have never come up with, and wife swapping and ect. begin to seem normal. It will change the satisfaction level you get from real life whether you admit it or not. People do get addicted to porn. If you just made a silly bet with yourself to stop looking for a month I bet most of you couldn't do it. I think Green's post makes some very good points.
Itzo Posted February 3, 2010 Posted February 3, 2010 For society, less porn equals more rape. Do you really advocate rape? I read the article from the Law School. I agree with that porn may reduce the rape assaults, because it diminishes the motivation of sexual gratification. But there are many other factors for a person to be raped ... such as anger, desire of power, sadism and some evolutionary pressures. The porn cannot make people less angry, to make people desire less power ... ok, you get the point. In fact, certain correlation is not the same thing as causation. So the cause of low rape rates may due to many other reasons. I do not think porn is a healthy conditioning, because it is an addiction. I do not know any HEALTHY addictions, do you? So these researchers have found one correlation that is MORE LIKELY to reduce the assaults rates, but it doesn't mean that it is the only one condition or factor for this. I find most academics as some sweet talkers ... developing different theories without taking RESPONSIBILITY for them. Most academics are people who are not satisfied by something that is working well and practice, until he is tried it out in theory. And theorist is someone who's willing to assume everything, EXCEPT responsibility. If you reduce the porn level, you will have more sexual energy within yourself, then you can use this sexual energy to get things DONE in life. Instead of wasting this energy for some quick fix gratification.
skydiveaddict Posted February 3, 2010 Posted February 3, 2010 porn is a complete waste of time. why sink yourself into that perverted pit? I always preferred to go for the real thing. A real live woman who you can actually have a relationship with.
Itzo Posted February 3, 2010 Posted February 3, 2010 porn is a complete waste of time. why sink yourself into that perverted pit? I always preferred to go for the real thing. A real live woman who you can actually have a relationship with. You got it!
Island Girl Posted February 3, 2010 Posted February 3, 2010 I do not think porn is a healthy conditioning, because it is an addiction. OMG It is not. I watch porn occasionally. When I do I enjoy it immensely. It could never replace real sex but it is fun sometimes and masturbation is a total stress reliever. No need for porn to masturbate either. MOST men watch porn. It is not about replacing their partner, etc. Nor does it lead to weird fetishes or other things. People get those fetishes elsewhere. The sad thing is that SOME women are confused about porn and convinced there is such a problem with it that some men lie about it. I really wish more women would understand porn and men watching porn. It would sure solve a lot of issues and the woman's insecurity wouldn't be triggered by something that means absolutely nothing and indicates nothing.
Itzo Posted February 3, 2010 Posted February 3, 2010 OMG It is not. I watch porn occasionally. When I do I enjoy it immensely. It could never replace real sex but it is fun sometimes and masturbation is a total stress reliever. No need for porn to masturbate either. MOST men watch porn. It is not about replacing their partner, etc. Nor does it lead to weird fetishes or other things. People get those fetishes elsewhere. The sad thing is that SOME women are confused about porn and convinced there is such a problem with it that some men lie about it. I really wish more women would understand porn and men watching porn. It would sure solve a lot of issues and the woman's insecurity wouldn't be triggered by something that means absolutely nothing and indicates nothing. Oh yea? Ok ... read this article, if you have time ... http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/resource.php?n=1075 I do not have to convince you
sid3 Posted February 3, 2010 Posted February 3, 2010 Oh yea? Ok ... read this article, if you have time ... http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/resource.php?n=1075 I do not have to convince you Your right. But you sure try to with your posts.
jenifer1972 Posted February 3, 2010 Posted February 3, 2010 I think this thread is getting off the rails a bit. The OP had some questions she wanted guys to respond to, and I am finding their responses very interesting. They are offering their opinions and talking about their habits, and I am not finding it helpful when women chime in and try to make them defend their opinions with research. If one guy thinks 99% of men watch porn that is an interesting opinion coming from "inside the other camp". None of us know the sex life or fantasy life of our fathers, nor do I even want to think about that, so that is off topic in my opinion. Can we let the guys continue to answer the questions?
AAlike Posted February 3, 2010 Posted February 3, 2010 porn is a complete waste of time. why sink yourself into that perverted pit? I always preferred to go for the real thing. A real live woman who you can actually have a relationship with. lol who has said that they prefer porn to the real thing? I would agree that anyone that says that probably is a little messed up. If I'm eating fast food, that doesn't mean that I prefer it to a five-course meal, it probably just means that fast food is all that I have the time for or access to...
Itzo Posted February 3, 2010 Posted February 3, 2010 I think this thread is getting off the rails a bit. The OP had some questions she wanted guys to respond to, and I am finding their responses very interesting. They are offering their opinions and talking about their habits, and I am not finding it helpful when women chime in and try to make them defend their opinions with research. If one guy thinks 99% of men watch porn that is an interesting opinion coming from "inside the other camp". None of us know the sex life or fantasy life of our fathers, nor do I even want to think about that, so that is off topic in my opinion. Can we let the guys continue to answer the questions? I am not giving free information anymore
Stockalone Posted February 3, 2010 Posted February 3, 2010 1. When you're in a serious, committed relationship do you continue to regularly view porn assuming that you're being satisfied sexually by your partner? No. 2. Does the frequency with which you view or whether you view it at all correspond to how strongly you feel about your partner? In other words, do you still look at porn when you're completely head over heels for a woman and getting regular sex with her? No.
ella23 Posted February 3, 2010 Posted February 3, 2010 porn is a complete waste of time. why sink yourself into that perverted pit? I always preferred to go for the real thing. A real live woman who you can actually have a relationship with. [/sarcasm] ?
meerkat stew Posted February 3, 2010 Posted February 3, 2010 1. When you're in a serious, committed relationship do you continue to regularly view porn...? I don't use porn, used to in my 20s have nothing against it, but no, I don't continue to use porn while in relationships. I do have a stack of Playboy special editions from the 80s and 90s that sit on a bookshelf in plain view in my bedroom. 2. Does the frequency with which you view or whether you view it at all correspond to how strongly you feel about your partner? No. At least it didn't when I was of the age of looking at it. Porn is a flimsy substitute for real sex. Now of course, if a guy is masturbating more than he would due to porn use, this could affect his sexual desire generally, but probably not his -feelings- for her. 3. Do you imagine having sex with your SO when looking at the porn? No, when I used to look at it, was imagining sex with the woman in the pic or on the movie. Lots of BS in this thread from some guys. I have nothing against porn, do believe it is a healthy outlet for many men, but also know fairly certainly that most men don't use porn. The best stat I can find is that of 18-34 y.o. men, 66% look at porn once a month. But IME, many of that stat would be men who casually look at porn on the spur of the moment while surfing, but don't regularly use it. IMO, if you took all men into account, not just 18-34, probably 20-30% of men actually use porn frequently and intentionally set out to use it (I get lured into looking at something on the net, marketers are real good, but usually it's a 5 second browse and not a tug-inducing instance). If I am cleaning up the bookcases in my bedroom and stop and have a tug while dusting the Playboys once every year or so, does that make me a porn user? Depends on who is doing the counting, technically I could be counted as a "porn user" for the rest of my life for that, but that's like saying that someone who smokes a cigarette once a year is a smoker. I found that once I'd had enough experience with women, my internal fantasy/memory machine was much better and more intense than porn for masturbating, so porn became kind of boring and lost its appeal. Don't know which a GF would find worse, someone who used porn regularly or someone who regularly fantasizes about real women while masturbating or even having real sex, including recent exes. Would imagine that the "real ex" fantasies would be more troubling than porn for many women, don't know for sure of course.
carhill Posted February 3, 2010 Posted February 3, 2010 1. No 2. No 3. No 4. He's probably telling a white lie.
AAlike Posted February 3, 2010 Posted February 3, 2010 If you think that porn is not addictive ... and if you think that is actually NECESSARY thing to do, then you have a problem. So make up your mind and try to reduce the porn for your own good. Porn is messing up with you ... do not try to stop it ... but try to reduce it. And for god sake, find yourself a real girlfriend If this was directed at me, I'm married, and I very rarely watch porn at this point. I did, however, watch it with some regularity (maybe twice a week?) when I was single. I will give you the benefit of the doubt that in EXTREME cases, I'm sure that there are people that develop an unhealthy addiction to porn. However, I would imagine that the number of people that do so is far less than those that develop one to alcohol, gambling or even coffee. Plus, I've got several addicts in my immediate family, and trust me when I say addiction is internal. You take away one vice/temptation, they just get addicted to another. In most cases, however, people just use porn as a visual aid to masturbation. nothing more, nothing less. and I think the point of this thread, and every other porn thread that gets upended with people citing all of these extreme examples, is that whether using porn in a manner that does NOT affect other aspects of their life is correlated at all to their feelings for their SO. I would argue that it is not.
Bejita463 Posted February 3, 2010 Posted February 3, 2010 (edited) Oh yea? Ok ... read this article, if you have time ... http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/resource.php?n=1075 I do not have to convince you Catholic News Agency. No bias there, I am sure. Edit for clarity: I have nothing against Catholics, but is that not the religion that doesn't even view condom use as an acceptable practice? You don't even need to follow that link to know what it will say. Edited February 3, 2010 by Bejita463
Twenty-ten Posted February 3, 2010 Posted February 3, 2010 Catholic News Agency. No bias there, I am sure. Edit for clarity: I have nothing against Catholics, but is that not the religion that doesn't even view condom use as an acceptable practice? You don't even need to follow that link to know what it will say. Thought the exact same thing when I read the link name, didn't even bother clicking through, it was pretty much game over right there. I am Catholic and do go to church on special occasions and have a relationship with god yet I don't agree with a lot of what the church propagates, it's simply not applicable to modern day life. I have been going to hell for many years now since I've had sex out of wedlock too many times. To have the church also dictate what is appropriate between me and my own body in the confines of my own home is where I part ways. The church, left up to it's own devices, would have a 50 yr old virgin die having never experienced sex for the sanctity of preserving marital sex. That is just ridiculous. Porn fits in there as well. Itzo, what would the Catholic church say about your stats, and the fact that you believe 98% of a relationship is sex and 2% is material goods? Hmmmmm ask yourself, what would Jesus do?
Itzo Posted February 3, 2010 Posted February 3, 2010 Thought the exact same thing when I read the link name, didn't even bother clicking through, it was pretty much game over right there. I am Catholic and do go to church on special occasions and have a relationship with god yet I don't agree with a lot of what the church propagates, it's simply not applicable to modern day life. I have been going to hell for many years now since I've had sex out of wedlock too many times. To have the church also dictate what is appropriate between me and my own body in the confines of my own home is where I part ways. The church, left up to it's own devices, would have a 50 yr old virgin die having never experienced sex for the sanctity of preserving marital sex. That is just ridiculous. Porn fits in there as well. Itzo, what would the Catholic church say about your stats, and the fact that you believe 98% of a relationship is sex and 2% is material goods? Hmmmmm ask yourself, what would Jesus do? Wow ... okey ... this is the kicker I do not believe in any religion. The reason why I choose this link, is because it has important information about pornography for you guys to consider. The information was gathered by Clinical Psychologist from Salt Lake City. I want to emphasize on the fact that this article is on the news section of the website ... so it is an external source from the content of the site. Maybe it has some connection with the Catholic church, I do not know ... and I do not care
Bejita463 Posted February 3, 2010 Posted February 3, 2010 Maybe it has some connection with the Catholic church, I do not know ... and I do not care Seems like a pretty relevant bit of information. Also, I find it unlikely that a site named after a religion would publish an article that seeks to prove the beliefs of that religion to be incorrect. Go to a biased source, and the only information of which you are presented will be biased as well, if through no other manner than selective information sharing.
Jersey Shortie Posted February 3, 2010 Posted February 3, 2010 Don't throw out fake statistics, Maybe 99.999% look at porn regularly.... maybe only 50% do, the point is who studies this and how accurate could a study on this even be? I personaly have looked at alot of porn in my life. I have chosen to not look at porn anymore. Its not like I'm a saint, I still want bj's and doggy and what ever other perverted things in my life. I just don't want to be staring at 2-d women, or even be going to strip clubs. I think you've lost control of yourself when you waste your time or money on fake sex. Its not that I plan on making a baby every time I have sex, but atleast its real. I'm even against masterbation for the most part unless you have no alternative and in that case I would recomend keeping it to a minimum of once a week. Looking at porn on the internet will pervert you. There is no way I would have ever thought of cumming on a girls face, or double penetration, or tranny women on my own. But if you look at porn or buy porn there is no way around it. You will catch a glimpse of tranny porn being advertised, you will see a cum shot or squirters or ect... you will see stuff your mind would have never come up with, and wife swapping and ect. begin to seem normal. It will change the satisfaction level you get from real life whether you admit it or not. People do get addicted to porn. If you just made a silly bet with yourself to stop looking for a month I bet most of you couldn't do it. Green, we need more men like you and skydiveraddict in the world. Who want real sexual experiences in the real world. I think we've already seen sexual concepts about what is "healthy" change in the last 10 years and it's become more "pornified" whether guys want to admit it or not. Just because most men look at porn doesn't mean it's healthy. Sex is healthy. even masturbating is healthy. What is shown in porn, how women are treated and depicted and even how men are depicted is not healthy. Lets not confuse the act of sex, with the money making media of porn. Most Americans eat at fast food places and we are an obese nation. We are obese on more then just food. I bet most men couldn't stop looking for a month. I hear alot of men say that porn isn't important or say "I don't choose it over real sex. I jsut view it when I can't get sex". But that doesn't matter. Anytime you put in a porno, no matter the circumstance, yes you are choosing it over real sex. It's just that simple. It's not a billion dollar industry because men only view it when they can't get sex. Alot of men sure do love to defend it as that being the case but I suspect that's a white lie they even tell themselves. Porn today is not a cave drawling of a naked person back in the day. If you think it's healthy to continually see women in submissive positions, often being called names and asked to do sexual acts that wreck their bodies, and yes guys the women that are in porn often get wrecked, than yuo got a messed up idea on what "healthy" really is. Healthy isn't picturing yourself doing some barely legal girl in a school girl outfit while she calls you daddy. Healthy isn't calling a woman a slut and smacking yourself on her face. Healthy isn't sitting infront of your computer with your penis in hand and a stupid smile on your face. No matter how many other men do it. I think too many men are too passive today. If men loose interest in their partners and always need to look for something fresh, why even be with us in the first place? Do men like making us feel second rate? Unimportant? Interchangable? Because alot of men here said that after the newness of the relationship runs out a man needs fresh women to view, you might as well tell us that women are interchangable and worthless to you. Do you guys not see how hurtfull that is? Or do you not care that it is as long as you get to see porn? I don't understand how me nsay it's not important yet lie about it it in order to protect the porn viewing. Sadly, this kind of stuff makes women look at men with little respect. Because men clearly are unable to control themselves unless aided by something. Men are unable to old themselves to a higher level unless they have something that they can lean on in weakness. Or so it seems. And it seems it makes men feel better to say "all men do it", that way you can all be weak together instead of standing up for yourselves and being real men. Too many of you define your masculinity through porn. It's clear everytime you say "im a man of course I view porn." ANd it's really sad. For yourselves and for women. Well it's women in the movies, isn't it? Which is more at fault, the females making it or the males watching it? How many women are in porn compared to how many men view porn? How many men in relatoinships are viewing porn and how many of these same women are in porn? The fact that there are women in porn does not negate a man's personal responsiblity to himself and his own personal actions. Try taking responsiblity for yourself instead of basing your actions on what someone else decides to do.
RobM Posted February 3, 2010 Posted February 3, 2010 I hear alot of men say that porn isn't important or say "I don't choose it over real sex. I jsut view it when I can't get sex". But that doesn't matter. Anytime you put in a porno, no matter the circumstance, yes you are choosing it over real sex. It's just that simple. I beg to differ my short puffy haired east coast friend, it's not that simple. First let me say this doesn't apply to everyone but it's very common where after marriage women because much less interested in sex, "I have a headache, I'm tired, I don't feel like it", etc.... For many men the choice isn't between porn or real sex, it's between porn and begging for real sex. I'm sure you of course do everything in your power to make sure your guy is always happy but that's not true of a lot of women. If you want to rephrase it as "sometimes you are choosing.." fine, but "always", nope.
FryFish Posted February 3, 2010 Posted February 3, 2010 Healthy isn't sitting infront of your computer with your penis in hand and a stupid smile on your face.lol... I need to make this my sig.
Jersey Shortie Posted February 3, 2010 Posted February 3, 2010 I beg to differ my short puffy haired east coast friend, it's not that simple. First let me say this doesn't apply to everyone but it's very common where after marriage women because much less interested in sex, "I have a headache, I'm tired, I don't feel like it", etc.... For many men the choice isn't between porn or real sex, it's between porn and begging for real sex. I'm sure you of course do everything in your power to make sure your guy is always happy but that's not true of a lot of women. If you want to rephrase it as "sometimes you are choosing.." fine, but "always", nope. It's not the 80s anymore and I haven't seen puffy hair on anyone since 16 Candles. And yes. I do recongnize that women are not always up for sex like men are. And yes. I recongnize that is frustrating. But if a woman is doing her best to meet her man's need *most* of the time, why can't he meet her half way?
AAlike Posted February 3, 2010 Posted February 3, 2010 Green, we need more men like you and skydiveraddict in the world. Who want real sexual experiences in the real world. I agree, there is a real lack of men that like sex these days. it's a shame. I hear alot of men say that porn isn't important or say "I don't choose it over real sex. I jsut view it when I can't get sex". But that doesn't matter. Anytime you put in a porno, no matter the circumstance, yes you are choosing it over real sex. It's just that simple. hahahahaha - that is a very logical statement! "guys, your reasons why you watch porn are wrong" - because you clearly know - you've sure got your finger on the pulse of male sexuality! no one has given porn anywhere NEAR the importance and power that you've given it - the industry as a whole should thank you. I am so curious about what a first date with you is like - is porn usage brought up like within the first five minutes? do you polygraph guys? and FWIW, not as if you'll listen, but I don't "picture yourself doing some girl" when I have watched porn. it's a MOVIE - hence it is shot like any other MOVIE in which the intent is to invoke a certain response. If I watch an action scene, say a police chase, it is shot in a manner to transfer the excitement of the scene to the viewer. It doesn't mean that I picture myself in the chase scene, nor that I'd WANT to be in a police chase. and as far as the women's looks and outfits - as I've said before, people want to see "beautiful" people in all forms of media, that's pretty obvious. Why should porn be any different? in fact, I would argue that porn is actually more tolerant of imperfections in women's bodies than other forms of media.
sxyNYCcpl Posted February 3, 2010 Posted February 3, 2010 But if a woman is doing her best to meet her man's need *most* of the time, why can't he meet her half way? If a woman is not meeting her lovers needs, I would argue that using porn to take care of them himself without imposing on her IS meeting her halfway.
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