Mr White Posted February 16, 2010 Posted February 16, 2010 I My problems with porn would be these: 1:That it teaches young guys who are not sexually experienced that this is what good sex is. It's good sex for them to watch and to turn them on, but probably not good sex in reality that would really bring a woman to orgasm. 2:Who are these women in porn movies? Yes, some are ok with it, happy it is their career and have chosen it and make a fortune from it, but I would imagine that the majority are poverty-stricken, wanna-be models or actresses, drug addicts, women from poor countries etc who end up in a sleazy industry due to necessity rather than choice and that makes me a little uncomfortable at times. 3:That it gives a false impression of what women's bodies should look like, slim, massive fake boobs, blonde hair, bleached *******s etc. 1. Yes, porn is a bad instructional material; But, any guy with a half brain cell understands that porn is a fantasy and that it takes more than dick-slapping to satisfy a woman in real life 2. Porn is a regulated industry with specific requirements about consent, record keeping etc., and the general argument is bogus: how many people REALLY want to clean toilets (for $5 an hour that too; I'd totally let some chick sit on my face for $2,500 an hour (average pay per scene)). 3. You don't need porn to understand that fat women are ugly. Fake is unattractive, and it's a strawman argument since amateur porn featuring "real looking" girls is one of the most popular genres of porn.
MalachiX Posted February 16, 2010 Posted February 16, 2010 You know Jersey, I seriously doubt that porn is really what bugs you. I keep seeing you make all these incredible generalizations and judgments about men and can't help but guess there's something more deep-seated that is troubling you than a guy just masterbating to pornography. I really doubt that if a realtionship is 100% healthy both emotionally and sexually, you would have such a problem with a guy looking at porn now and again or being SO concerned with "men controlling their impulses." Your assumptions are also rather disconcerting. Why would you assume that all guys like degrading porn? Why would you assume to know what it means to a guy and say it's not the least bit comparable to woman's sex toys. For that matter, why if you're OK with sex toys are you so judgmental to men who "can't control themselves?" I think porn, like a lot of things, only has as much power as you let it. Some guys may get obsessed with it and let it ruin their relationships but my guess is this is the exception rather than the rule. Right now, you're the one who seems to be giving porn a lot of power. God, I sound like I'm writing a self-help book...
TheBigQuestion Posted February 16, 2010 Posted February 16, 2010 You know Jersey, I seriously doubt that porn is really what bugs you. I keep seeing you make all these incredible generalizations and judgments about men and can't help but guess there's something more deep-seated that is troubling you than a guy just masterbating to pornography. I really doubt that if a realtionship is 100% healthy both emotionally and sexually, you would have such a problem with a guy looking at porn now and again or being SO concerned with "men controlling their impulses." Your assumptions are also rather disconcerting. Why would you assume that all guys like degrading porn? Why would you assume to know what it means to a guy and say it's not the least bit comparable to woman's sex toys. For that matter, why if you're OK with sex toys are you so judgmental to men who "can't control themselves?" I think porn, like a lot of things, only has as much power as you let it. Some guys may get obsessed with it and let it ruin their relationships but my guess is this is the exception rather than the rule. Right now, you're the one who seems to be giving porn a lot of power. God, I sound like I'm writing a self-help book... Everything correct that could be said about this subject, you just said. Thank you.
JohnnyBlaze Posted February 16, 2010 Posted February 16, 2010 Really, who cares about the woman's pleasure? that's secondary to watching some guy smack his dick on a girls face and make her suck him off while she looks like she just ate the best cheese cake ever. We don't usually care about women's orgasms in porn because we know they're not real (the orgasms, I mean). Complaining that a woman didn't have a good faked orgasm in a porn movie is about as relevant as noting that, although "Big John" the plumber banged the housewife like a screen door in a hurricane, he never did get around to fixing the leaky pipe. We're pretty sure her real name isn't Pamela Peaks, either. We know it's staged, so why would we fuss over it? Real life is a different matter; we care a lot. Hell, I've had times where I've been with a girl and intentionally not had any orgasms of my own - I've made entire nights solely about pleasuring her. Again, not something men care about because that's what men want. 18 year olds with fake boobs. It's so sad they get stuck with normal woman. Who can blame them from turning to porn, that's where they can find the kind of women they *really* want and think they *really * deserve. According to that theory, anyone who didn't hook up with peroxide blonde bisexual twin cheerleaders with 34DD's is settling? By your logic, we can also safely assume that all women want only firefighters and Spanish pool boys named Antonio. The rest of you have to settle for "normal" men. We know that's not the case. So please don't presume to tell us what we want.
Author Jersey Shortie Posted February 16, 2010 Author Posted February 16, 2010 We don't usually care about women's orgasms in porn because we know they're not real (the orgasms, I mean). I think the real reason is that the worth of the women in the movie is secondary, if even that, to the male in the movie. Men want to see dominate men completely taking over a situation "getting his". And little concern is giving to women on any level. Men are more interested in seeing the show and pretend then the actual woman having a real actual orgasm. Why do you think any woman should be pleased such a carless attitude towards women be supported by millions of men with women in their lives? According to that theory, anyone who didn't hook up with peroxide blonde bisexual twin cheerleaders with 34DD's is settling? By your logic, we can also safely assume that all women want only firefighters and Spanish pool boys named Antonio. The rest of you have to settle for "normal" men. We know that's not the case. So please don't presume to tell us what we want. I'm not telling you what you want. I am going by what clearly men show they like. It doesn't get more plain or obvious then that. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 1. Yes, porn is a bad instructional material; But, any guy with a half brain cell understands that porn is a fantasy and that it takes more than dick-slapping to satisfy a woman in real life So it's okay to slap women around in porn because men understand it's "fantasy"? It's okay to completely subjugate and dehumanize women as long as it's just what men wished they could do... What are you trying to say here? The doubt never was that men understand it takes more then to "dick-slap" woman around to turn her on. However it's clear that men are quite content with seeing women brutalized in that manner just so they can orgasm. Instead of learning and maybe spending that time relating to ...oh I don't know.. say a real woman? call me crazy like that. Either way, this doesn't take away from the fact that more boys are growing up on the kind of porn you described and to think they aren't goign to take their sexual cues from it is navie. Grown men have taken their sexual cues from it! When was the last time you had sex with a grown man? I have, and I can tell you that men are not as seperate from the world of porn as they wished to believe of themselves. Your other points don't even really touch on anything that was previously said by Paddington.
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