Porn Qoute From Another Thread

[LucreziaBorgia]

Men don't get tired of sex, and they don't get tired of masturbating (using porn). Having sex with a girl is different from and independent of masturbation.

 

I guess my question would be - why would a woman assume that sex and masturbation are the same, and that to satisfy one would negate the need for the other?

 

I know for me, I get plenty of great sex but I still like to watch porn and play with my toys on my own time because while the mechanics of it might be similar - they are definitely not the same, and there is a different type of satisfaction I get from each. Having great sex may make masturbation not quite as exciting but even so - it doesn't mean that by having great sex I will lose all the urge to masturbate.

Edited February 3, 2010 by LucreziaBorgia

[Crazy Magnet]

I see what you're saying, Jersey. You're not arguing over whether or not it's right or if a man should watch porn. You're asking that now that porn does exist and that pretty much every man on the planet is going to watch it even though it hurts their women's feelings, why those women should even dress up for their men. If most of the time visually, they're not their number one choice; AKA, why delude yourself into thinking you're the most special women in his eyes when the only thing that's keeping him from banging another porno woman is A. He can't get her and B. She doesn't share his morals...

 

I dress up cute because if I'm not the subject of my (hypothetically) boyfriend's fantasy while he's whackin' it, maybe I'm the subject of someone else who I saw that day. If he knows that it's likely that other men secretly want a turn, he's more likely to fight for me and not take me for granted as if he's the only man on the planet that is interested in a relationship.

 

In all honesty Jersey, my mind wanders and even when I'm in a relationship with a guy I love (and I would never cheat, I'm a firm believer in loyalty and monogamy), I still fantasize about other stuff and people once in a while. The best a man can do is get me to just think about him MOST of the time, and I likely expect that it's the same way for most men regarding myself. Sometimes I have to take a break from the norm and think about some whack-ass stuff or people to reaffirm my mental independence. I have a separate center in my brain for arousal and love - most of the time they merge, but sometimes they don't. It's just two different sides that sometimes clash with each other.

 

So why try? Well, only do what you're comfortable with and don't try too hard. Find a man who either doesn't watch porn, or who is excellent at hiding it. A man's attention and devotion is fine, but it certainly isn't everything and I think that having a sense of humor when it comes to mens' baser instincts is important. Men get aroused when the seat of a bus rattles against their balls. If they think about you most of the time when they're jerkin' it that's good enough for me, because I'm certainly thinking about a variety of stuff when it's the other way around. The man I'm dating is not going to be the subject of my fantasies 100 percent of the time. I would actually be deluding myself if I thought that it would actually be possible for me, but certainly he would be most of the time.

 

In conclusion, get what you an when you can and only try when there is a reason or a possible favorable outcome. If he's so addicted to porn that it makes you unable to even be intimate with him without wanting to crawl in a corner and feel like you're his second choice, kick him out. If you're not getting what you're putting into it, you're better off single.

 

 

This is where I am coming from. It's unrealistic to think that any man or woman will get into a relationship and NEVER fantasize about another person again in their entire life. I expect my man to think about other women sometimes just like I think about other men sometimes. This does not mean I would ever cross a line and be unfaithful, and my BF looking at porn does not equate infidelity to me.

 

While I typically see my BF five days a week, and we have sex at least once every time we see each other, there are a couple of days when he doesn't get to see me. If he chooses to look at porn and wack off with me not there, so be it. That's not disrespectful to me, he's just doing what guys do.Men spank the monkey. It's a fact of life. I too masturbate when he's not around. That's how two people get to know their bodies and what they like, otherwise, how to I explain to him how I like to be touched and what gets me off? I find it's kind of boring to just lay in bed and do all this, so I too pop on some porn.

 

*gasp a female who also watches porn!!* Yes, the world will end now.

 

I do not think men who watch porn are necessarily dissatisfied with their wives/girlfriends. I'm sure that it happens in some instances where the woman lays there like a dead fish. But as a woman, I too would be bored if my BF laid there like a fillet.

 

Additionally, I do think self esteem plays a big role here (as well as some Christian values.) In terms of self esteem, if the woman honestly thinks her man prefers some chick in porn to her, then she needs to work on herself and love herself more and realize she's beautiful to her man. If he HONESTLY prefers the women in porn to his real life gf, then that lady needs to get rid of that guy and find someone who respects her. I do not believe any man who respects and cherishes his GF/wife will actually prefer the women in porn. It's just something to look at.

[meerkat stew]

I don't watch or look at porn, find it boring. Many men don't use porn. So the first straw man is assuming all men, or even a majority of men look at porn.

 

The next straw man is assuming that men are never satisfied sexually based on one man's opinion posted here. That's absurd. Maybe very young men who haven't mastered their sexuality or haven't had much experience are this way but they do not make up a majority of men.

 

The next straw man is that porn and sex with a SO meet the same desires in men or serve the same function. Men express their love for a woman sexually and vice versa, this goes past the animal attraction and release of masturbating to porn. Two different things.

[Jersey Shortie]

Watching porn doesn't mean that a man is not appreciative of his significant other being sexually available and interested.

 

It also apparently doesn't mean that a man will be happy with what you offer him even if you are an adverturous partner. So there is really no point in even trying. Apparently a real life woman fulfills one set of needs and porn fulfills another. Thus both have their place and can be taken out or put back depending on the man's mood.

 

Human beings are monogamous by culture, not by nature....

 

BigQuestion, I got to say that I really hate when people say this because it's not even true. We are neither monogamous or polygamous. We are both monogamous and polygamous. We have hormones and social structures and survival skills built into us that support both environments. That's why it always comes down to us having a choice.

 

Another thing that people forget is that porn is nearly always used as a masturbation aid; it's something done quickly and without some type of emotional attachment.

 

I never thought men were emotionally attached to the women in porn. I however do think men have conditioned themselves to be emotionally attached to porn.

 

Almost every one of my friends and acquaintances throughout my life have used porn on a regular basis, and they rarely if ever complained that their women weren't willing to do some crazy thing they saw in a porn movie.

 

Then why even have a real female partner? Just use porn. Men have variety and craziness and everything under a sun a man could only wish and hope and dream for.

 

I've had enough relationships and been asked enough things to know that men see porn and request things they've seen in it. Maybe a man won't break up with you for not doing it but he'll probably be slightly resentful and think on some level "well those girl in porn do it".

 

Most of the time, when men complain about women being lackluster in bed, it usually results from the woman just laying there and taking it, being unimaginative, lacking energy, and so forth. All of which are reasonable criticisms and are not the fault of porn.

 

I totally agree.

 

Things can stagnate in the bedroom after a couple has been together for 2+ years just because its the same sorts of things being done over and over again. That's when the time comes to experiment. Once again, this has nothing to do with porn. It has to do with the fact that human beings crave novelty and variety, especially in an era where sexuality is no longer repressed.

 

I think exploring and trying new things is great. Does that always have to be at the hands of porn though?

 

So to answer your questions: 99% of guys who get into an LTR with you will be more than happy if you have good sex with them and aren't afraid to try new things once in a blue moon, will not prefer porn to you, will not watch porn in place of having sex with you, and so forth.

 

And most will *still* view porn. So why even try?

[Jersey Shortie]

You're not arguing over whether or not it's right or if a man should watch porn. You're asking that now that porn does exist and that pretty much every man on the planet is going to watch it even though it hurts their women's feelings, why those women should even dress up for their men. If most of the time visually, they're not their number one choice; AKA, why delude yourself into thinking you're the most special women in his eyes when the only thing that's keeping him from banging another porno woman is A. He can't get her and B. She doesn't share his morals...

 

 

Exactly AwesomeUserName! 110%

 

In all honesty Jersey, my mind wanders and even when I'm in a relationship with a guy I love (and I would never cheat, I'm a firm believer in loyalty and monogamy), I still fantasize about other stuff and people once in a while.

 

I understand this and I don't expect men to NEVER fantasize. However, it's like men don't even try. They still view porn regularly. This isn't a "once in awhile" fantasy. For alot of men today it's a constant.

 

Sometimes I have to take a break from the norm and think about some whack-ass stuff or people to reaffirm my mental independence. I have a separate center in my brain for arousal and love - most of the time they merge, but sometimes they don't. It's just two different sides that sometimes clash with each other.

 

Yeah, I do understand the truth and honesty in that but my heart doesn't.

Edited February 3, 2010 by Jersey Shortie

[Jersey Shortie]

I know this doesn't answer your "questions," but I don't know why any man would want to engage in a discussion with you about this. Look how you ask your questions and formulate your argument. You pathologize men's behavior and put them on the defensive. For example:

 

The questions are rigged, and you know it. Of course your question isn't being answered because people are not accepting your premise embedded within the questions -- that porn watching means a man is not happy/loyal/satisfied/whatever with his partner.

 

If you really just wanted to ask a question, you would, e.g. "why do men still watch porn, even when in a sexually satisfying relationship?" Instead, you put men down within your questions. It doesn't sound like you are seeking honest answers, but using the pretext of curiosity to bash men who watch pornography.

 

You are right that I probably too often put men on the defensive. I guess it is because I feel like I also need to be defensive on this subject. However, you are not right that I am trying to bash men. I do not know if men are sexually satisfied in their relationship if they still turn to porn regularly. Infact, I think it's logical to assume that a man isn't fulfilled if he compensates on porn for what he needs.

[TheBigQuestion]

It also apparently doesn't mean that a man will be happy with what you offer him even if you are an adverturous partner. So there is really no point in even trying. Apparently a real life woman fulfills one set of needs and porn fulfills another. Thus both have their place and can be taken out or put back depending on the man's mood.

 

 

BigQuestion, I got to say that I really hate when people say this because it's not even true. We are neither monogamous or polygamous. We are both monogamous and polygamous. We have hormones and social structures and survival skills built into us that support both environments. That's why it always comes down to us having a choice.

 

 

 

I never thought men were emotionally attached to the women in porn. I however do think men have conditioned themselves to be emotionally attached to porn.

 

 

 

Then why even have a real female partner? Just use porn. Men have variety and craziness and everything under a sun a man could only wish and hope and dream for.

 

I've had enough relationships and been asked enough things to know that men see porn and request things they've seen in it. Maybe a man won't break up with you for not doing it but he'll probably be slightly resentful and think on some level "well those girl in porn do it".

 

 

 

I totally agree.

 

 

 

I think exploring and trying new things is great. Does that always have to be at the hands of porn though?

 

 

 

And most will *still* view porn. So why even try?

 

Why even try? I already answered that question. Pretty much every man (except for those that are in fact hopelessly addicted to porn/strip clubs/etc) values a real sexual relationship (and a real romantic relationship) over anything found in porn. Porn only satisfies a man's sex drive when the woman is unavailable for whatever reason. If a man is in a relationship with a woman for a long time and the sex is good (and they'll usually both know when this is the case), that means the man is satisfied with his sex life, regardless of whether or not he watches porn or masturbates. It's not a personal insult to the woman, and it's not an indication that the woman is inadequate.

 

A lot of women also have pretty bizarre standards as to what qualifies as "porn star" sexual acts and behavior, and these standards vary immensely.

[DolceVenganza]

I don't feel I view porn any more or less than guy. I view it on my computer casually, have bought very little in the way of materials, and don't own any toys. I have bought females toys that they could use alone or have me use on them (say in 69), but that's it. Some of my girlfriends were embarrassed to do so, but inevitably wanted or maybe it was a joke gift.

 

Over the years I have come to realize, at least for myself, Porn desensitizes me to real life encounters. I have come to believe ART imitates LIFE, not LIFE imitating ART. Rather than view the TRUE and REAL beauty of a woman before me, porn forces you to see a woman as a bag of skin, fake tits, and a properly saved V. F that shiz.

 

I love real women. I don't care about a woman's body, as long as she takes care of herself; works out, eats right, doesn't smoke, and doesn't over indulge in drinking. Given todays access to nutrition and workout locations, this is not a tough matter. It is tough to tackle emotionally and mentally, but not physically or financially.

 

Porn does COMPLETELY unrealistic things. Sure, if a woman actually ENJOYS some of the porn she is watching and wants to do, OK. But I want the REAL THING. If a woman came to me saying or doings I had never seen in a porn that turned me, I would be BLOWN AWAY. Literally and figuratively. WHY?

 

Because it means I DID That - our connection - our chemistry. She isn't fulfilling some fantasy, but instead she is fulfilling HER need and our needs. Her desire and mine. It's REAL, as opposed to the programmed, installed, and downloaded CRAP most people try to emulate in bedrooms and offices around the world.

 

I feel you won't change ALL of them, and maybe some will never feel as I do, but after years of viewing porn, it's changed me. I see very beautiful girls selling their bodies for the lowest common denominator. That money and whatever porn pedastal they are put on WILL end. The love of a good family and a good man never will. After going that route, few people will see them differently.

 

I recall the girl from NZ who sold her V card for about $30,000. Truly sad. What is this world coming to? I believe it is in fact behavioral modification through media bombardment. It wants to be everywhere, all the time, and tell you how to think. The input of information you get 24/7 doesn't have to be filtered, it tells you WHAT to think. You don't quest the major news networks and they rarely provide information without giving their slant. If they do buck the status quo, advertisers pull their dollars, plummeting the information. True free speech never hits the mainstream media, it doesn't make enough money to do so.

 

I've looked at porn when in between relationships, just for the heck of it, but I don't care about it. It is unrealistic in every aspect. If you need to hear about the industry behind the scenes, listen to the author of Infinite Jest as he provides a first hand account of the AVN awards with none other "Max Hardcore." A few beautiful nude models I can get behind, but selling out that which is most intimate and personal I cannot.

 

I'd buy porn with a gf/wife if she wanted, but I'd much rather make my own. I would never expect to stop viewing it if I wanted, nor would I force her, but I don't need it.

 

~DV

[paddington bear]

Basically what you're saying is that there is no point dressing sexy, trying new things in the bedroom because even when you do that it has no effect on the porn useage.

 

Therefore why should a woman bother to do more than lie there like a dead fish, because the guy always has porn and it doesn't matter either way whether you're enthusiastic in bed or not it won't change anything.

 

You are making some assumptions, that the sex with you will be hotter if the guy didn't whack off regularly to porn as well as having sex with you. Maybe it will be hotter because he's keeping in touch regularly with his sexual side instead of repressing it. Why would having some self-control be better do you think? Why would not feeding the bottomless pit be better?

 

You are treating men's use of porn as if pornography was another woman. "Why should I bother making any effort in the bedroom, when there's always going to be HER there, that b*tch Miss Porn, no matter what I do, good or bad, she'll be there with her sexy ways luring him away from me. I can be totally hot and sexy and he'll still want her as well. I can't win."

 

As the men have stated here though, it seems like using porn is just an aid to masturbation. So, forget the porn, what you want is that men have more control and don't masturbate as much so that when they've got sexual urges, those urges are only given an outlet with you? And if that is the case do you think by men avoiding masturbating so much outside of having intercourse with you that it would make the sex better, or is it that they would realise you are by far the sexiest most desirable thing in their life without having unrealistic notions in their heads based on (unrealistic) porn movies?

[hopeless4u]

Perhaps I am a strange woman, but what's the big deal about a guy watching porn? So what? Are there truly some women out there who are so insecure over a woman on a TV or a computer screen? I just don't get it. Who cares what a guy looks at when you aren't around. It's not like he's actually having sex with some other woman, he's looking at a picture!

 

I agree and IMO doesn't watching porn give your man more ideas of what he wants to do to you!!

I know where my x got his ideas from and there were no complaints from me:p

[Trialbyfire]

Perhaps another way to perceive this, is to ask yourself what man is worthwhile, who can't separate fantasy from reality. It's no better than the woman who expects her mate, to be exactly like Fabio in gothic romance novels.

[Jersey Shortie]

Why even try? I already answered that question. Pretty much every man (except for those that are in fact hopelessly addicted to porn/strip clubs/etc) values a real sexual relationship (and a real romantic relationship) over anything found in porn.

 

Sure doesn't seem like it anymore considering how often and how much men view porn now-a-days. That's another thing men don't want to admit to. Men spend more time looking at porn now then ever. And we aren't talking about a picture in National Geographic of naked breasts.

 

Porn only satisfies a man's sex drive when the woman is unavailable for whatever reason.

 

Yeah, I do understand that men are not prone to using self control when it comes to porn. The second a woman has her back turned or hands full, she can pretty much guarentee that her man will be off doing something in the meantime.

 

A lot of women also have pretty bizarre standards as to what qualifies as "porn star" sexual acts and behavior, and these standards vary immensely.

 

What type of woman is most likely projected in porn most of the time? Usually 18-25 year olds with a certain body type, in a certain age group. Do men understand what message that sends? Or does it not matter?

 

And yeah PaddingtonBear, It's clear on some level that women can't win. As evident by how many men aid that no matter what you do for him, he is still going to view porn.

[AAlike]

Perhaps another way to perceive this, is to ask yourself what man is worthwhile, who can't separate fantasy from reality. It's no better than the woman who expects her mate, to be exactly like Fabio in gothic romance novels.

 

very very good point...

[TheBigQuestion]

Sure doesn't seem like it anymore considering how often and how much men view porn now-a-days. That's another thing men don't want to admit to. Men spend more time looking at porn now then ever. And we aren't talking about a picture in National Geographic of naked breasts.

 

 

 

Yeah, I do understand that men are not prone to using self control when it comes to porn. The second a woman has her back turned or hands full, she can pretty much guarentee that her man will be off doing something in the meantime.

 

 

 

What type of woman is most likely projected in porn most of the time? Usually 18-25 year olds with a certain body type, in a certain age group. Do men understand what message that sends? Or does it not matter?

 

And yeah PaddingtonBear, It's clear on some level that women can't win. As evident by how many men aid that no matter what you do for him, he is still going to view porn.

 

I was talking about porn star behaviors and actions, and you started talking about their appearances instead. It would be better if you addressed my actual point as opposed to misrepresenting it.

 

You don't really seem like you can be convinced. Try out a survey on your own. Ask guys whether if, presented with a choice between being able to have sex with an attractive woman and watching porn, what they would pick. I can guarantee that pretty much all of them would choose the real thing. And that's the point. Yes, I don't doubt that guys spend more time watching porn now than in any pre-internet days simply because of the abundance of it. I still don't understand what the controversy is. If a guy is in a relationship, has a healthy sex drive within the relationship, doesn't cheat, and it is a stable relationship otherwise, that guy is SATISFIED with his sex life. Why does the guy masturbating (and as I said before, porn is almost always for the sake of aiding in this act) have to basically ruin this for you and convince you that he isn't being satisfied?

[Jersey Shortie]

TheBigQuestion, I guess I don't what you are trying to say. Their actions and behaviors and appearance all play into the "porn-star" experience no? What do mean when you say women have bizarre standards as to what qualifies "porn star" anyway?

 

You don't really seem like you can be convinced. Try out a survey on your own. Ask guys whether if, presented with a choice between being able to have sex with an attractive woman and watching porn, what they would pick.

 

 

I know what men would say. And I know what men do. I know men say that sex is worlds better. Am I saying that men always pick porn over sex? No. But men pick it more times then they care to admit to. It seems like most guys want to make it seem like the only reason men use porn is by default. If that was the case, it wouldn't be a billion dollar industry. And one that is pretty subjugating to women. But that matters not to most guys as long as it's not men being used, humiliated or protected so vulnerably and demeaningly. I understand that men say that they would rather have real sex. But it seems more truthful that men believe there is a time for real sex and a time to indugle his love for porn. So porn and the real woman in his life can be taken out simultaneously to appease whatever feeling and rush of hormones he is having in the moment. Men don't just watch porn *only* when sex is not avaible. Men do not only *pick* porn as some drudge of last resort.

 

 

Yes, I don't doubt that guys spend more time watching porn now than in any pre-internet days simply because of the abundance of it. I still don't understand what the controversy is.

 

It's not hard to see how invasive porn has become and the affects it has infact had on culture. What is now expected as normal. How many young boys grow up on a diet of porn. I suspect we haven't seen how much it's affected us just yet. There was a thread here recently where quite a few younger guys didn't even know, and were disguusted a big that a 20 year old girls breasts could sag.

 

Men spend more time, more then ever, viewing porn. When you spend time regularly viewing something, it will affect your thought patterns. There is no way around it.

 

 

If a guy is in a relationship, has a healthy sex drive within the relationship, doesn't cheat, and it is a stable relationship otherwise, that guy is SATISFIED with his sex life.

 

So maybe women should be thanking their lucky stars that men *only* view porn and *wish* to hook up with young 18 year old girls with implants instead of cheating. I guess us women are really lucky that a man's sex drive is so great and powerful that we should be blessed that at least men aren't cheating.

 

Why does the guy masturbating (and as I said before, porn is almost always for the sake of aiding in this act) have to basically ruin this for you and convince you that he isn't being satisfied?

 

Because nothing ever seems to be enough for guys anymore. All day long I have to deal with images about how a woman should be, what a woman should look like. Things I try hard to fight and fall into an unhealthy trap of expectations. But even when you go home at time, those things are still there in your home and your man buys right into it, feeding it and getting off to all those negative messages women receive daily. We don't have an alley. Or a champion for us. You go home at night and you still have to be at battle. There is no peace. No safe place. No matter what you do, there will always be another girl to offer MORE then he could dream of and he will avidly take her up on the offer, even if it's just "visually". I am sick of trying if it doesn't matter either way what I do. If his loyatly isn't anymore cemented. My effort matters not. I am expected to work 10 times harder to be some fantasy and indulge him and he can still turn to MORE fantasy anytime he pleases. It is a bottomless vacuum of imense porportions and men are all too happy to feed themselves on a regular diet of it. All the guys out there complaining about fat women? Well if you don't think men aren't fat on porn, your lying to yourselves.

[RobM]

I completely disagree with what he said, some guys are like that but I think most are not, instead of attacking all men just find yourself one that isn't like what he described.

[You'reasian]

In another thread the poster Chat Room Hero made this comment:

 

 

 

So here is my question. What is the point in trying to please a partner that can never be pleased, satisfied or appreciative of what you offer him? Alot of men request that their partners be more adventurous, dress up cutely, try new things. Even if we do these things, it would seem that that still would not be enough. It makes men seem like a bottomless vacuum there to suck any available titilation and unable to use any form of self control. I guess I don't understand what's the point in a woman even bothering to try, if the end result is the same if she does or doesn't. So many me ncomplain about their woman not giving enough sex. But even if she does, it doesn't seem like it would change the fact that no matter what you do, he is still going to want to watch, enjoy and think about other women. Why should a woman exert her energy into a man if this is the case?

 

I'd love to see what you guys think. Sincere repsonse. Because I don't really see what the pay off is if your a woman who doesn't try or does, and either way yields the same results. Not more loyatly or satisfaction with your partner but a bottomless indulgence in porn. How many guys fit the above description and are not happy with what they have at home no matter what their partner does?

 

Ladies, imagine JS was male and then think of your response

 

JS, I've had nothing but positive and wonderful experiences with the girlfriends in the bedding arena.

[Jersey Shortie]

I'm glad you enjoy your sex life but it has nothing to do with anything I said.

 

And there was nothing disrespectful in my post, said by a man or a woman. Love how you are defending a medium that's based on the debasement and objectification of women but you're concerned with what you preceive to be disrespectful to men.

[TheBigQuestion]

Jersey, this is getting really tiring. You seem to be the one putting all these expectations on yourself rather than anyone else. How many ex-boyfriends have you had that flat out said to you "I wish you looked like (insert random porn starlet here), were into (insert kinky sex act here), and if you don't change, I'm leaving and shacking up with a girl that does have these qualities (which of course assumes he can get one in the first place)?"

 

Let's get something straight. Porn is not the issue here. Masturbation is. Guys will use anything as an aid to whackin' off. Have you ever seen the movie Step Brothers? One of the main characters asks the other what his favorite non-pornographic magazine to masturbate to is. The answer? Good Housekeeping. This humorous example is actually true to a decent extent. The point is, guys will whack off to anything, and they masturbate more than women do for reasons that I don't remember, but I do think there is a biological component (as well as health benefits) in doing so. Whether its porn, Maxim, or good housekeeping really makes no difference.

 

You're just scared of not being the be-all and end-all of a guy's sexual desire, and you find it personally offensive that a guy gets off to fantasies he has that you may not always fulfill. Guess what? That goes for everyone, for both sexes, and there's no point in emotionally killing yourself over it. This comes down to YOUR insecurity, not a problem with the male gender.

[TheBigQuestion]

TheBigQuestion, I guess I don't what you are trying to say. Their actions and behaviors and appearance all play into the "porn-star" experience no? What do mean when you say women have bizarre standards as to what qualifies "porn star" anyway?

 

It's not hard to see how invasive porn has become and the affects it has infact had on culture. What is now expected as normal. How many young boys grow up on a diet of porn. I suspect we haven't seen how much it's affected us just yet. There was a thread here recently where quite a few younger guys didn't even know, and were disguusted a big that a 20 year old girls breasts could sag.

 

So maybe women should be thanking their lucky stars that men *only* view porn and *wish* to hook up with young 18 year old girls with implants instead of cheating. I guess us women are really lucky that a man's sex drive is so great and powerful that we should be blessed that at least men aren't cheating.

 

 

Western society has idealized physical beauty and youth for a very long time now. This has nothing to do with porn, and there's a pretty decent market within porn for women of various different body types, ethnicities, etc. Men are attracted to youth. Big deal. Nothing new. Has been happening for ages. At least now there are statutory rape laws and 40 year old men marrying 16 year olds is no longer acceptable or legal. Seriously, what's your point? As far as sagging goes, it's really not the most common scenario for someone of that age to sag significantly, so maybe that's why it was pointed out? I remember a woman's breasts sagging being considered an unattractive quality in middle school and long before I had seen much porn. So like I said, this has more to do with female standards of beauty rather than porn, so if you want to discuss that instead, I'm all ears.

[PJKino]

So women nenver masturbate?

 

Or is it ok because they do it to regular guys or actors not porn guys?

[Jersey Shortie]

You seem to be the one putting all these expectations on yourself rather than anyone else. How many ex-boyfriends have you had that flat out said to you "I wish you looked like (insert random porn starlet here), were into (insert kinky sex act here), and if you don't change, I'm leaving and shacking up with a girl that does have these qualities (which of course assumes he can get one in the first place)?"

 

BigQuestion, of course men are not so completely obvious as to say those things out loud. How many men think them though in some form or another? How many men make comparisons? How many men say "wow my gf/wife doesn't do that" or "Wow, look at her breasts they are so much better then my gf/wife."

 

You yourself leveled off that paragraph with "which of course assumes he can get one in the first place". It implies that these girls are at a level beyond his reach and that his gf is very much at his reach, limiting her putting the other on a pedestal.

 

Let's get something straight. Porn is not the issue here. Masturbation is.

 

Who are you to tell me what the issue is? Maybe porn isn't an issue for you. Then again, why would it be? Porn doesn't come at the same expense for men that it does women. Porn caters to men in *most* cases. Of course you and other men don't have any issues with it. Of course you are all okay with it because it panders to your insecurities and fantasies. You're not the one being called four letter names or put in submissive postions or told your not enough of this or too much of that to fit in a stereotype that men eat up.

 

Could you imagine and industry equal to that of porn that was catered to women that treated men in the same exact way wome nare treated in porn? Videos where men were just used for their money and tossed to the side, videos where men were epxected to have PERFECT everything and have surgery to achieve it. Videos where women called men names and laughed at them and got off to it. Yes, porn is not an issue for men because porn caters to every male whim at the expense of women.

 

Porn isn't about equal partnerships or even equal pleasure. The men don't really care that the woman is being pleasured. They are more interested in the fact that the guy is getting his. They just want the big show that makes it SEEM that she is having the best orgasm ever.

 

The point is, guys will whack off to anything, and they masturbate more than women do for reasons that I don't remember, but I do think there is a biological component (as well as health benefits) in doing so. Whether its porn, Maxim, or good housekeeping really makes no difference.

 

Okay. Then it's fine if men behave anyway they want. men are doing everything they should be doing and that's okay to do all the time. Their men after all, it's okay for them to do anything whenever they feel it.

 

I am not stranger to this argument for yours, "I'm a man so it's okay to do x,y or z because it's "biological" and it's "healthy". I'm a man after all. anything having to do with sex that makes me feel good is just fine."

 

You're just scared of not being the be-all and end-all of a guy's sexual desire, and you find it personally offensive that a guy gets off to fantasies he has that you may not always fulfill. Guess what? That goes for everyone, for both sexes, and there's no point in emotionally killing yourself over it. This comes down to YOUR insecurity, not a problem with the male gender.

 

I do have personal insecurities. And I do fine alot of male sexuality overwhelming. I do not deny that. I was much more secure in myself before I started learning what men really wanted from women.

 

However, porn is hugely all about male insecurity. And that is why porn caters to every male insecurity under the sun. It seems that only men are allowed to feed themselves on their own insecruties and I guess women are suppose to be super strong and confident even while all the messages men send are about how they need something so far beyond what a real woman gives from her body and heart. And it's women that are suppose to use self control and not respond to their own natural desires, such as jealously that their man is CLEARLY seeking out other women, if just visually to get off to. Women are suppose to use self control but men are not. It's okay for men to respond to the women in the movie but how dare a woman also respond to the movie and her man using it other then to be so turned on by his ability to find a porno and spread her legs.

 

Western society has idealized physical beauty and youth for a very long time now. This has nothing to do with porn, and there's a pretty decent market within porn for women of various different body types, ethnicities, etc.

 

Yeah, it's a big part of what porn is about. Creating unrealistic expectations that men begin to think are the norm. And yes, there are various body types and ethnicities and ages. However, the majority of porn is a very narrow ideal about female beauty. I can see it matters not to you. That's fine. But as a woman, it's a tough world to live in. And I can see fewer and fewer men really caring.

 

 

Men are attracted to youth. Big deal. Nothing new.

 

Again, clearly not a big deal for you. Again, clearly a bigger deal for women that want their man to think they are beautiful but their men are sitting infront of their computers looking at barely legal porn. I do not expect you to care. Don't worry. But I care. So if you don't care and you don't consider it a big deal, then stop baiting me. You can clearly see I care. Stop making it seem like I am ridiculous for buying into the same exact things men buy into everyday to turn themselves on.

 

 

Has been happening for ages. At least now there are statutory rape laws and 40 year old men marrying 16 year olds is no longer acceptable or legal. Seriously, what's your point?

 

"At least". Geez. What is your point? Should women be kissing men's feet that it's only a law that keeps men from being pervs?

 

 

As far as sagging goes, it's really not the most common scenario for someone of that age to sag significantly, so maybe that's why it was pointed out?

 

Breasts are just fat. Nothing more, nothing less. Real breasts at least. And yes, it is actually VERY common for breasts to sag at that age.

 

I remember a woman's breasts sagging being considered an unattractive quality in middle school and long before I had seen much porn. So like I said, this has more to do with female standards of beauty rather than porn, so if you want to discuss that instead, I'm all ears.

 

You're all ears to discuss that but are not all ears to discuss the subject at hand. that makes no sense. Why would you be all ears to discuss one and not the other when they both play a part. At least I can admit they both have their part. You can't even admit that much. Instead you want to shrug your shoulders and say "too bad". Men like this and men like that and that's all that mattesr to you. Not once have you tried to understand or say "yes i understand why that is daunting to women". Just "men are men and it's okay for the mto do anything they please".

[Els]

... I'm really just glad that my bf doesn't demand to know why he should bother exerting himself to get me off when I'm just gonna watch porn whenever he's not around anyway. :/

[sugar_and_spice]

BigQuestion, of course men are not so completely obvious as to say those things out loud. How many men think them though in some form or another? How many men make comparisons? How many men say "wow my gf/wife doesn't do that" or "Wow, look at her breasts they are so much better then my gf/wife."

 

You yourself leveled off that paragraph with "which of course assumes he can get one in the first place". It implies that these girls are at a level beyond his reach and that his gf is very much at his reach, limiting her putting the other on a pedestal.

 

 

 

Who are you to tell me what the issue is? Maybe porn isn't an issue for you. Then again, why would it be? Porn doesn't come at the same expense for men that it does women. Porn caters to men in *most* cases. Of course you and other men don't have any issues with it. Of course you are all okay with it because it panders to your insecurities and fantasies. You're not the one being called four letter names or put in submissive postions or told your not enough of this or too much of that to fit in a stereotype that men eat up.

 

Could you imagine and industry equal to that of porn that was catered to women that treated men in the same exact way wome nare treated in porn? Videos where men were just used for their money and tossed to the side, videos where men were epxected to have PERFECT everything and have surgery to achieve it. Videos where women called men names and laughed at them and got off to it. Yes, porn is not an issue for men because porn caters to every male whim at the expense of women.

 

Porn isn't about equal partnerships or even equal pleasure. The men don't really care that the woman is being pleasured. They are more interested in the fact that the guy is getting his. They just want the big show that makes it SEEM that she is having the best orgasm ever.

 

 

 

Okay. Then it's fine if men behave anyway they want. men are doing everything they should be doing and that's okay to do all the time. Their men after all, it's okay for them to do anything whenever they feel it.

 

I am not stranger to this argument for yours, "I'm a man so it's okay to do x,y or z because it's "biological" and it's "healthy". I'm a man after all. anything having to do with sex that makes me feel good is just fine."

 

 

 

I do have personal insecurities. And I do fine alot of male sexuality overwhelming. I do not deny that. I was much more secure in myself before I started learning what men really wanted from women.

 

However, porn is hugely all about male insecurity. And that is why porn caters to every male insecurity under the sun. It seems that only men are allowed to feed themselves on their own insecruties and I guess women are suppose to be super strong and confident even while all the messages men send are about how they need something so far beyond what a real woman gives from her body and heart. And it's women that are suppose to use self control and not respond to their own natural desires, such as jealously that their man is CLEARLY seeking out other women, if just visually to get off to. Women are suppose to use self control but men are not. It's okay for men to respond to the women in the movie but how dare a woman also respond to the movie and her man using it other then to be so turned on by his ability to find a porno and spread her legs.

 

 

 

Yeah, it's a big part of what porn is about. Creating unrealistic expectations that men begin to think are the norm. And yes, there are various body types and ethnicities and ages. However, the majority of porn is a very narrow ideal about female beauty. I can see it matters not to you. That's fine. But as a woman, it's a tough world to live in. And I can see fewer and fewer men really caring.

 

 

 

 

Again, clearly not a big deal for you. Again, clearly a bigger deal for women that want their man to think they are beautiful but their men are sitting infront of their computers looking at barely legal porn. I do not expect you to care. Don't worry. But I care. So if you don't care and you don't consider it a big deal, then stop baiting me. You can clearly see I care. Stop making it seem like I am ridiculous for buying into the same exact things men buy into everyday to turn themselves on.

 

 

 

 

"At least". Geez. What is your point? Should women be kissing men's feet that it's only a law that keeps men from being pervs?

 

 

 

 

Breasts are just fat. Nothing more, nothing less. Real breasts at least. And yes, it is actually VERY common for breasts to sag at that age.

 

 

 

You're all ears to discuss that but are not all ears to discuss the subject at hand. that makes no sense. Why would you be all ears to discuss one and not the other when they both play a part. At least I can admit they both have their part. You can't even admit that much. Instead you want to shrug your shoulders and say "too bad". Men like this and men like that and that's all that mattesr to you. Not once have you tried to understand or say "yes i understand why that is daunting to women". Just "men are men and it's okay for the mto do anything they please".

 

I agree with all of this, but I'm pretty sure the guys on here will just repeat the same stuff on men's wants, their needs, ect, so why waste your time?

[A O]

So here is my question. What is the point in trying to please a partner that can never be pleased, satisfied or appreciative of what you offer him?

Porn - its not about you. Its not about you. Most people, thankfully, get this. Not unlike the fact that men for instance, men get that women need to look and feel attractive even when they're not in the company of their significant other. Most men do not take this need personally. Again, thankfully. But, no doubts, you'll get the odd guy similar to you who'll bemoan - why am I not enough for you! Why do you need to look/feel attractive/desirable when I'm not around. Why! The answer is, again - its not about him. Its not about you!

 

So here is my question. What is the point in trying to please a partner that can never be pleased, satisfied or appreciative of what you offer him?

Now, to look at this question in isolation - there is no point! Any partner that can never be pleased, that is never satisfied nor appreciative of one's efforts is not a person anyone should have in their life - period!!

 

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