marlena Posted February 2, 2010 Posted February 2, 2010 OK, I haven't read this entire thread but here's my take for what it's worth. Sex isn't important. GOOD sex is important. Dr Ruth said it all: Have Terrific Sex!! Otherwise, forget it.
meerkat stew Posted February 2, 2010 Posted February 2, 2010 Because every male and every female has sexual anatomy. We have a stomach because we need food. We have a brain, because we need to think. We have feet because we need to walk. We have sexual anatomy because we need to reproduce. We also have appendixes, spleens, hair in places we don't need it. We are also capable of working the equipment by ourselves, and millions the world over don't do that. Religious practitioners, older people, in fact I'd go so far to say that a majority of the world's population is not sexually active. Asking again, are these people subject to perishing or being unhappy merely because they are not involved in sexual activity? IMO, sex is not a need, but a desire through and through.
espec10001 Posted February 2, 2010 Posted February 2, 2010 You are wrong with yourself. Perhaps you cannot read well your internal drives ... I will bold the sentances that do not sound right to me. It is not that you do not NEED sex, it is because you do not WANT it. It seems like you are frustrated about sex for the following reasons: drama, unplanned pregnancy, sexually transmitted diseases, etc. You need sex, you may suppress your URGES, but you cannot eliminate them .. so why bother .. you are just creating anxiety, trying to resist upon those internal biological drives inside ya. My advice: do not resist the urges ... it is like walking backwards ... moonwalk and M. Jackson it looks cool, but it is not the right way to walk anyway. Do you ever wonder why we neuter animals? So they don't reproduce out of control. Humans like to think they are an exception to that, but look at what is happening. Too many people, not enough resources.
Author Itzo Posted February 2, 2010 Author Posted February 2, 2010 We also have appendixes, spleens, hair in places we don't need it. We are also capable of working the equipment by ourselves, and millions the world over don't do that. Religious practitioners, older people, in fact I'd go so far to say that a majority of the world's population is not sexually active. Asking again, are these people subject to perishing or being unhappy merely because they are not involved in sexual activity? IMO, sex is not a need, but a desire through and through. Wrong! We do need all organs in our body ... each one of them play a function. After surgery, when people do not have the organs you described above, doesn't mean our ogranism did not use them. Their function was replaced by another from a different organ. Regarding the majority of people who are not sexually active ... are you nuts? the population has grown 10 times since 1950, so people **** other people like rabbits especially in China. When you say, sex is not a need, but a desire ... is like you are saying ... I am not a car, but I am a Mercedes Your mind works backwords ... you have to streight forward your thinking, because you see the things in exactly the opposite way.
Jersey Shortie Posted February 2, 2010 Posted February 2, 2010 I think people need sex for mental health. But people do not need sex to survive day to day. It’s a luxury of the modern world that we indulge in it as much as we do. However for connection, mental well being and romantic relationships, it is very important. And yes, I do think too many men are pretty terrible at satisfying women. The reason a woman covet a good man in bed is because there are so few of them out there. And yes, I do think that partly has to do with pornography. I do think men today take too many of their cues from porn. I think too many women pretend they like what’s going on even if it physically brings them no pleasure all because of what an over sexed industry told them. I also think it has to do with fragile male ego and too many women catering to that to please the man instead of being honest about what she needs. Which also isn’t fair to the guy or to her.
clueless haha Posted February 2, 2010 Posted February 2, 2010 Sex doesn't "do" anything to me...other than wonderful things... Men who are bad lovers are bad lovers either because they're selfish, or inexperienced. Or both. Sure porn is not the best "learning aid" as to how to please a woman but most people who are sexually experienced and giving, unselfish lovers realize that real life intimacy is not supposed to imitate porn. BF and I both watch porn in our downtime and we have amazing sex. i agree with this too
Author Itzo Posted February 2, 2010 Author Posted February 2, 2010 Do you ever wonder why we neuter animals? So they don't reproduce out of control. Humans like to think they are an exception to that, but look at what is happening. Too many people, not enough resources. "Neuter animals" is a term that is not associated with humans. This is because every normal human being has all sexual organs to reproduce, in other words, given a chance for each one of us to have offspring. So the term neuter animals is a pure philosophy. Animals that are neuter, are extinct. It is all about survival and replication ... these are the most basic purpose of life. People do not get even this straight!
marlena Posted February 2, 2010 Posted February 2, 2010 Asking again, are these people subject to perishing or being unhappy merely because they are not involved in sexual activity Maybe they are, maybe they aren't. Whatever the case may be, they are fettered to their eathly bounds. For anyone who wants to transcend those bounds, body and spirit must meet.
meerkat stew Posted February 2, 2010 Posted February 2, 2010 Wrong! Regarding the majority of people who are not sexually active ... are you nuts? the population has grown 10 times since 1950, so people **** other people like rabbits especially in China. No, I'm not nuts, and in fact will state definitively after some minor googling that a sizeable majority of human beings on the planet are not sexually active. The question remains, are these people "less than" complete humans, necessarily perishing over time, because they are not having sex? If you answer that question "yes," then you can claim that sex is a need. If the answer is "no," then sex is a desire. When you say, sex is not a need, but a desire ... is like you are saying ... I am not a car, but I am a Mercedes Sorry, no, nothing like that at all. A "need" regardless of misguided 20th century social sciences, is something without which we can not live. Food, clothing shelter. Everything else that we seek in life is a desire, be it sex, a car or a Mercedes. You may say, "I -need- a car to get to work," and colloquially, you are correct, but semantically incorrect. One doesn't -need- a car. Nor does one -need- sex. We -desire- it. Your mind works backwords ... you have to streight forward your thinking, because you see the things in exactly the opposite way. .tnemetats suolucidir a si evoba ehT
meerkat stew Posted February 2, 2010 Posted February 2, 2010 Maybe they are, maybe they aren't. Whatever the case may be, they are fettered to their eathly bounds. For anyone who wants to transcend those bounds, body and spirit must meet. And according to many/most religious practitioners the world over, the way to transcend those bounds is to conquer desire, to do away with everything in our lives that is not a need, which is why the question of whether sex is a need or not is important.
Author Itzo Posted February 2, 2010 Author Posted February 2, 2010 I think people need sex for mental health. But people do not need sex to survive day to day. It’s a luxury of the modern world that we indulge in it as much as we do. However for connection, mental well being and romantic relationships, it is very important. And yes, I do think too many men are pretty terrible at satisfying women. The reason a woman covet a good man in bed is because there are so few of them out there. And yes, I do think that partly has to do with pornography. I do think men today take too many of their cues from porn. I think too many women pretend they like what’s going on even if it physically brings them no pleasure all because of what an over sexed industry told them. I also think it has to do with fragile male ego and too many women catering to that to please the man instead of being honest about what she needs. Which also isn’t fair to the guy or to her. Good points! Thanks for sharing. So women have to be more open with their partners, in terms of telling their sexual desires of satisfaction. Men need to be educated in terms of how to please a woman in bed. This is a good idea for business, since porn messes up with men's programing for great sex.
espec10001 Posted February 2, 2010 Posted February 2, 2010 "Neuter animals" is a term that is not associated with humans. This is because every normal human being has all sexual organs to reproduce, in other words, given a chance for each one of us to have offspring. So the term neuter animals is a pure philosophy. Animals that are neuter, are extinct. It is all about survival and replication ... these are the most basic purpose of life. People do not get even this straight! This is the simplest way I can put it: there are people out there who have experienced beyond the physical. They've experienced things that few would believe or understand. After these things happen, things like sex, fame, fortune, are all seen as fleeting things that are no comparison to the "non-physical" experiences they have had. They're desire is no longer sex, but something higher, something far more difficult to attain.
marlena Posted February 2, 2010 Posted February 2, 2010 (edited) Sorry, no, nothing like that at all. A "need" regardless of misguided 20th century social sciences, is something without which we can not live. Food, clothing shelter. Everything else that we seek in life is a desire, be it sex, a car or a Mercedes. You may say, "I -need- a car to get to work," and colloquially, you are correct, but semantically incorrect. One doesn't -need- a car. Nor does one -need- sex. We -desire- it. You are playing with words... If your idea of needs is confined to strictly physical components, then, you are ignoring the fact that man is much more than a sum total of his physical members and instinct for survival... In the final analysis, it is not whether you survive or not but rather HOW you survive... Edited February 2, 2010 by marlena
Ms. Joolie Posted February 2, 2010 Posted February 2, 2010 And according to many/most religious practitioners the world over, the way to transcend those bounds is to conquer desire, to do away with everything in our lives that is not a need, which is why the question of whether sex is a need or not is important. Human nature and human sexuality are inseparable. A sexual action itself can be said to not be a need for one individual, but the dealing of one's sexuality is a need. Since everyone must deal with their sexuality, it could very well be a need of human nature. Sexuality needs to be dealt with, while a sex act does not need to be done. When one questions whether sex is necessary for survival, it isn't about whether we need sex or not, it's about whether we will indulge in something that is already present or not. In other words, it isn't a neutering of self but a denial. The physical act of sex is not a need for survival, but our sexuality is of necessity part of our nature.
Ms. Joolie Posted February 2, 2010 Posted February 2, 2010 The physical act of sex is not a need for one individual's survival, but an individual's sexuality is of necessity part of nature. edited for clarification.
Author Itzo Posted February 2, 2010 Author Posted February 2, 2010 This is the simplest way I can put it: there are people out there who have experienced beyond the physical. They've experienced things that few would believe or understand. After these things happen, things like sex, fame, fortune, are all seen as fleeting things that are no comparison to the "non-physical" experiences they have had. They're desire is no longer sex, but something higher, something far more difficult to attain. Can you be more specific?
meerkat stew Posted February 2, 2010 Posted February 2, 2010 In the final analysis, it is not whether you survive or not but rather HOW you survive... And my main point throughout this thread is that in a world with billions of people who aren't sexually active, claiming that sex is a need, required for existence, or even necessary for happiness, enlightenment, fulfillment, whatever terms one wants to use to describe a complete human being, is an absurd statement. Sex is a desire. Moreover, stating that there is a difference between "black" and "brown" is not "playing with words," or if it is, we need to do away with 99% of the words we use to describe concepts, and revert to " that thing good, other thing bad, me like good thing, not like bad thing," where language is concerned.
meerkat stew Posted February 2, 2010 Posted February 2, 2010 The physical act of sex is not a need for survival, but our sexuality is of necessity part of our nature. There are many things that humans must deal with, they stem from the three basic needs, food, clothing and shelter, doesn't make them needs on their own.
Author Itzo Posted February 2, 2010 Author Posted February 2, 2010 Human nature and human sexuality are inseparable. A sexual action itself can be said to not be a need for one individual, but the dealing of one's sexuality is a need. Since everyone must deal with their sexuality, it could very well be a need of human nature. Sexuality needs to be dealt with, while a sex act does not need to be done. When one questions whether sex is necessary for survival, it isn't about whether we need sex or not, it's about whether we will indulge in something that is already present or not. In other words, it isn't a neutering of self but a denial. The physical act of sex is not a need for survival, but our sexuality is of necessity part of our nature. Good! Perhaps I can hire you as my mentor now. From my student you have grown to a mentor. You know what they say ... students are getting more advanced than their teachers with time ...
Author Itzo Posted February 2, 2010 Author Posted February 2, 2010 And my main point throughout this thread is that in a world with billions of people who aren't sexually active, claiming that sex is a need, required for existence, or even necessary for happiness, enlightenment, fulfillment, whatever terms one wants to use to describe a complete human being, is an absurd statement. Sex is a desire. Of course people who are not sexually active see sex as a NEED, but this doesn't mean that people WHO ARE sexually active it is not! Sex is a desire, based on a need. All desires human beings have are associated with certain need. Why you can't understand this? What other languages you speak, may be I can tell it in another language, cuz different words have different meanings!
marlena Posted February 2, 2010 Posted February 2, 2010 (edited) Sex is a desire. It is a desire and a need as much as food and water are. Deprivation of food and water leads to our physical demise. Lack of touch leads to our emotional and spiritual demise. For some, it is equally important, for others it is not, obviously. I think this poem says it all: Some say the world is made of fire Some say of ice From what I've tasted of desire I hold with those who favor fire But if I had to perish twice I think I know enough of hate To say that for destruction Ice is also great And will suffice. Forgive me if I have made any errors as this is quoted by rote. Personally, I go along with the poet and choose fire. Edited February 2, 2010 by marlena
Author Itzo Posted February 2, 2010 Author Posted February 2, 2010 I am correcting myself here ... OLD: Of course people who are not sexually active see sex as a NEED, but this doesn't mean that people WHO ARE sexually active it is not! EDITED: People who are not sexually active see sex as A WANT, not a NEED. But sex is a NEED, regardless of their sexual active status.
meerkat stew Posted February 2, 2010 Posted February 2, 2010 I think I think you have neither read my posts nor responded to my points, and that treatment can run both ways.
Ms. Joolie Posted February 2, 2010 Posted February 2, 2010 There are many things that humans must deal with, they stem from the three basic needs, food, clothing and shelter, doesn't make them needs on their own. One doesn't need clothing and shelter. We could all live naked under the sun. Food is a basic need for self-survival, and sex is a basic need for survival of a race. Clothing and shelter are not basic needs of survival, if survival only is what we are discussing.
meerkat stew Posted February 2, 2010 Posted February 2, 2010 All desires human beings have are associated with certain need. No they aren't. I desire a pony, what need is that associated with? I desire a shiny ruby, what need is that associated with? I desire to watch a rerun of House on DVD, what need is that associated with? I desire for the Saints to win the Super Bowl, what need is that associated with? I desire that a wall in my house be a different color, what need is that associated with? ...
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