Advice For the Ugly and Average Guys

[Sweetie1977]

I see guys on here all the time complain that they cant get even average or ugly women and womens expectations are too high blah blah blah and they dotn even approach these women they expect these women to come to them becasue they feel that theyre are on the same level as them in looks

 

I think guys feel getting these women should be allot lesa work then getting hot women

 

Im gonna let you in on a little secret fellas even these so called ugly or average girls want the hot guy they dont look at you becasue youre in the same league and say wow hes hot they look at the hot guy,they probably cant get him and will settle for you but thast what they want

 

Its YOUR job to woo these ladies and make them feel special like they are one of these hot girls you desire ,they will not just come to you

 

Is it fair? probably not but thats life you didnt hit the genetic lotto so for you to get a women you have to be outstanding in other areas even to get these women you feel arent that desirable and shouldnt take much work

[OpenGL]

I see guys on here all the time complain that they cant get even average or ugly women and womens expectations are too high blah blah blah and they dotn even approach these women they expect these women to come to them

 

Not true.

 

http://www.loveshack.org/forums/t219040/

 

Im gonna let you in on a little secret fellas even these so called ugly or average girls want the hot guy they dont look at you becasue youre in the same league and say wow hes hot they look at the hot guy,they probably cant get him and will settle for you but thast what they want

 

We know this, this is exactly what is wrong with women these days.

 

Do you think average guys dream of hot women everyday but "settle" for average? No, we don't. We are perfectly average with average women. It's women that have the entitlement issues.

 

You know what? F you. Seriously. It's people like you who make me feel somewhat sympathetic to the Sodini's of the world.

[Sweetie1977]

Not true.

 

http://www.loveshack.org/forums/t219040/

 

 

 

We know this, this is exactly what is wrong with women these days.

 

Do you think average guys dream of hot women everyday but "settle" for average? No, we don't. We are perfectly average with average women. It's women that have the entitlement issues.

 

You know what? F you. Seriously. It's people like you who make me feel somewhat sympathetic to the Sodini's of the world.

 

WHy the hostility at me?

 

I didnt make the rules im just telling you what they are

[bac]

What about all those hot young guys who have great looks?

From what I know many of them can not get laid as well.

[Sweetie1977]

What about all those hot young guys who have great looks?

From what I know many of them can not get laid as well.

 

Where?

 

Very few maybe,if you are really hot you have to be a social retard to not get laid

[meerkat stew]

WHy the hostility at me?

 

I didnt make the rules im just telling you what they are

 

And it's that level of privileged attitude you display as "one who sets the rules" that invokes a hostile attitude in people, especially men who are frustrated with women and dating.

 

Why is it the man's job to woo and win over a woman? Aren't we a bit past that culturally? Why isn't it an equal responsibility of both to impress the other?

 

And why should anyone be expected to woo anyone who thinks of them as second best and a substitute for the hot guy she really wants?

 

And who said anything on threads here about expecting to not do work to get an average woman? Any man with experience knows that attitude is a formula for disaster.

 

Finally, why should a man have to -work- for a woman anyway? Why isn't -work- flowing both ways in equal measure?

 

Frankly I smell a member of the "platinum vagina" club in your post. Well guess what, I'll see your platinum vagina and raise it with my triple platinum penis, how bout that?

[Left in a Lurch]

Its YOUR job to woo these ladies and make them feel special like they are one of these hot girls you desire ,they will not just come to you

 

But they are not special, and you want guys to lie to them and trick them into feeling hot? Shouldn't you apply the same expectations to ugly women as you do to ugly men, because the hot guys are not going to walk up and ask them out, ever.

 

Getting back to the 'special' thing, when a woman can drink a gallon of milk, eat a few ice cubes, and crap out a bowl of ice cream, then they will be special. Until then, they are just another person like everyone else no matter what a guy says to try to get into her pants.

[cognac]

I got to agree OP, but you'd be surprised. I love an "average looking girl" who is very well matched to me in "leagues" and you'd be surprisd at how even these girls are still hung up on the "hot guys" who don't want anything to do with them outside of the bedroom. Sure, they might love the average guy, but still lust after the 6'2 muscular spikey hard guy.

 

I also agree with Meerkat that it can be a bit hurtful when a girl who is clearly a great match for you in looks and personality (you're both equal looking and equally great personalities) still feels she is "settling" for you. It doesn't make any sense. It's a sad state of affairs when you put in a lot of work to get the average girl to like you over a long period of time, only for her to have a couple of drinks and go to bed an hour after meeting a "really hot guy" who shows her a little interest to get in her panties. People in this society are always looking to trade up even if they don't have enough to do it.

 

Another aspect that makes average guys not try as hard with average girls is that it's a lot more self-esteem shattering when an average girl rejects you than a really hot one.

[Sweetie1977]

And it's that level of privileged attitude you display as "one who sets the rules" that invokes a hostile attitude in people, especially men who are frustrated with women and dating.

 

Why is it the man's job to woo and win over a woman? Aren't we a bit past that culturally? Why isn't it an equal responsibility of both to impress the other?

 

And why should anyone be expected to woo anyone who thinks of them as second best and a substitute for the hot guy she really wants?

 

 

 

Finally, why should a man have to -work- for a woman anyway? Why isn't -work- flowing both ways in equal measure?

 

 

Because since the bn average Man expectign a women to approach him will be lonely

 

Once agai n i have nothing to do withthe rules im just tellign you what they are

[Sweetie1977]

But they are not special, and you want guys to lie to them and trick them into feeling hot? Shouldn't you apply the same expectations to ugly women as you do to ugly men, because the hot guys are not going to walk up and ask them out, ever.

 

 

All women want to feel speical no matter what they look like,a hot guy approaching them would make thme feel special or a average or ugly guy with a great personality telling them how beautiful they are

 

Once agian i didnt make the rules,you can ignore them and stay lonely[not you specifically butt he guys complaining]

[bac]

But they are not special, and you want guys to lie to them and trick them into feeling hot? Shouldn't you apply the same expectations to ugly women as you do to ugly men, because the hot guys are not going to walk up and ask them out, ever.

 

Getting back to the 'special' thing, when a woman can drink a gallon of milk, eat a few ice cubes, and crap out a bowl of ice cream, then they will be special. Until then, they are just another person like everyone else no matter what a guy says to try to get into her pants.

 

What are your goals with girls? I guess to get laid. If you do not make a girl feel good about herself, you will not get laid. So, you have 2 choices:

 

1. To be truthful and treat average girls as second rate. In this case, you will not have sex with girls.

 

2. To be a guy who is fine with saying white lies to girls. In this case, you will have the only problem which is how to manage too many girls who will worship your d...k.

[Sweetie1977]

And it's that level of privileged attitude you display as "one who sets the rules" that invokes a hostile attitude in people, especially men who are frustrated with women and dating.

 

Why is it the man's job to woo and win over a woman? Aren't we a bit past that culturally? Why isn't it an equal responsibility of both to impress the other?

 

And why should anyone be expected to woo anyone who thinks of them as second best and a substitute for the hot guy she really wants?

 

And who said anything on threads here about expecting to not do work to get an average woman? Any man with experience knows that attitude is a formula for disaster.

 

Finally, why should a man have to -work- for a woman anyway? Why isn't -work- flowing both ways in equal measure?

 

Frankly I smell a member of the "platinum vagina" club in your post. Well guess what, I'll see your platinum vagina and raise it with my triple platinum penis, how bout that?

 

Sorry for my last incoherent post to you my computer went crazy

 

WHat i meant to say is becasue Men are always the gender to approach theyve always been the wooers/ hunters not the women

 

AN average guy expecting a women to approach him will be lonely

[alphamale]

I think guys feel getting these women should be allot lesa work then getting hot women

it is a lot less work

[OpenGL]

Ok if we are going to go back to our primal instincts, why don't I just bash you over the head and drag you into the kitchen? I mean, whats what I'm biologically programmed to do.

[bac]

Where?

 

Very few maybe,if you are really hot you have to be a social retard to not get laid

 

They are everywhere. I guess they do not tell everyone about the sad truth of their getting laid history.

[Sweetie1977]

it is a lot less work

 

Its still"work" though which some guys think it shouldnt be

 

Especially if your not an atttacive guy you have to have some sort of personality

 

If u want to tell me some amazingly hot guy approaches a homely or average women whos way out of this girls league then maybe then he wont have to do much but the average guy will have to put in some work

[AD1980]

Why does being a women make you special? A women shouldnt be owed special treatment and respect she should earn it just like Men should no human being is owed anything..

 

Tired of this im a women im special garbage..No youre not chances are you're quite average and mediocre like most of the population..Your parents and friends lied to you..

[alphamale]

Its still"work" though which some guys think it shouldnt be

 

Especially if your not an atttacive guy you have to have some sort of personality

 

If u want to tell me some amazingly hot guy approaches a homely or average women whos way out of this girls league then maybe then he wont have to do much but the average guy will have to put in some work

the fewer "options" a woman has the more receptive she will be to an advance from any man

[annxxdisaster]

Why does being a women make you special? A women shouldnt be owed special treatment and respect she should earn it just like Men should no human being is owed anything..

 

Tired of this im a women im special garbage..No youre not chances are you're quite average and mediocre like most of the population..Your parents and friends lied to you..

 

 

True! But what's the point of dating a guy who doesn't make you feel like you're special? And vice versa.

[meerkat stew]

Why does being a women make you special? A women shouldnt be owed special treatment and respect she should earn it just like Men should no human being is owed anything..

 

Tired of this im a women im special garbage..No youre not chances are you're quite average and mediocre like most of the population..Your parents and friends lied to you..

 

Didn't you know all children are raised with the attitude that they are "God's special little creature" (Pacino, Devil's Advocate) these days? Who are we to say anything negative in the face of all this rampant "specialness?"

 

Have recently seen the raising process of a two year old up close and personal, and you would howl at the things this kid is praised and congratulated on. The U.S. has become one giant "brat factory."

[DiscoChick]

Well guess what, I'll see your platinum vagina and raise it with my triple platinum penis, how bout that?

 

:lmao: Epic. I knew you wouldn't let me down today!!

 

On topic: I don't understand people. The end. Hmmm...I would think a woman would prefer it if a guy treats her nice, but not overly nice. That's just creepy. Guys[in clubs or bars] that are too nice make me think they want something. I'm a nice girl, and I will tell a guy if I am interested. I'm willing to give 60%.

[AD1980]

True! But what's the point of dating a guy who doesn't make you feel like you're special? And vice versa.

 

Women wanted to be treated special and "wooed" at first meeeting and before we get to know them..

 

I think its kidna creepy and deseprate to treat somebody you dont know special..

[stillafool]

I see guys on here all the time complain that they cant get even average or ugly women and womens expectations are too high blah blah blah and they dotn even approach these women they expect these women to come to them becasue they feel that theyre are on the same level as them in looks

 

I think guys feel getting these women should be allot lesa work then getting hot women

 

Im gonna let you in on a little secret fellas even these so called ugly or average girls want the hot guy they dont look at you becasue youre in the same league and say wow hes hot they look at the hot guy,they probably cant get him and will settle for you but thast what they want

 

Its YOUR job to woo these ladies and make them feel special like they are one of these hot girls you desire ,they will not just come to you

 

Is it fair? probably not but thats life you didnt hit the genetic lotto so for you to get a women you have to be outstanding in other areas even to get these women you feel arent that desirable and shouldnt take much work

 

 

But would you also agree that these average guys would also rather be with the really hot girl than ugly or average girls also? That just perhaps they also settled just to have sex.

[knaveman]

I see guys on here all the time complain that they cant get even average or ugly women and womens expectations are too high blah blah blah and they dotn even approach these women they expect these women to come to them becasue they feel that theyre are on the same level as them in looks

 

I think guys feel getting these women should be allot lesa work then getting hot women

 

Im gonna let you in on a little secret fellas even these so called ugly or average girls want the hot guy they dont look at you becasue youre in the same league and say wow hes hot they look at the hot guy,they probably cant get him and will settle for you but thast what they want

 

Its YOUR job to woo these ladies and make them feel special like they are one of these hot girls you desire ,they will not just come to you

 

Is it fair? probably not but thats life you didnt hit the genetic lotto so for you to get a women you have to be outstanding in other areas even to get these women you feel arent that desirable and shouldnt take much work

 

You know what, I'm an ugly to average looking guy and I don't have any problem with these rules. If I want a girl I talk to her. Sometimes I get her sometimes I don't. What's the big deal.

[meerkat stew]

Once agai n i have nothing to do withthe rules im just tellign you what they are

 

Funny, when people claim a "don't shoot the messenger" safety card, they are usually both the messenger -and- the ones who created the news in the first place IME.