Brandy228 Posted January 25, 2010 Posted January 25, 2010 (edited) So, I have a keylogger installed on my SO's computer. Please don't judge me, this is something I have to do for my sanity. He has been very, very good the past couple of weeks, and he hasn't emailed her one single time. He willingly gave me the password to his cell phone records and the passwords to his email accounts (and I know for a fact he has NOT made additional email accounts because I would see them on the keylogger file, and he doesn't have one single other place to access the web) Okay ... this is what it is weird. She had a yahoo account she has since deleted. Apparently he doesn't know that yet. He has set up 3 accounts so far with a bogus name, like John Doe and the like. Then he'll send an email to her yahoo account he doesn't realize is deleted. He doesn't realize it's deleted because he sends random weird things in the subject line (things like "ijkssl Gp2dHz"), and then immediately he deletes the yahoo account he just used to send the message. So yahoo doesn't even get the chance to bounce the email as undeliverable. I have tried using the random letters and numbers as log-ins and passwords for every email service I can think of. But he doesn't supply that information in his email, how could he expect her to know? And even if they WERE talking on the phone, he would just tell her that information, there wouldn't be any point in emailing it to her in the first place. He's not checking to see if her email account is deleted or not, because he wouldn't delete his brand new one while waiting for the bounced one back from yahoo saying it's no longer a valid address. I need a fresh perspective - can someone figure out exactly what he's trying to accomplish here? He isn't giving her his name, like I said they've all been generic names. This is just tooooo weird. Thoughts?? Edited January 25, 2010 by Brandy228
norajane Posted January 25, 2010 Posted January 25, 2010 How do you know her yahoo account is deleted? Anyway, if he's setting up yahoo accounts in order to send her anything, and then deleting them so you don't find out, he's is not being "very, very good". He's trying to get around you to contact her.
Author Brandy228 Posted January 27, 2010 Author Posted January 27, 2010 NoraJane, I know that her email account was deleted because I attempted to send her a snarky email a couple of weeks ago, and it bounced back as undeliverable, unknown account. I had actually cut and paste it from an email he had sent her, so I know I didn't make a typo. I guess I wouldn't call him exactly an 'angel' right now, but he's not really making an attempt to contact her, either. He has no clue about the keylogger. He could be typing her love letters, but he's not. I'm thinking maybe this is his desperate attempt to keep some kind of an 'embelical cord' to her, maybe even a lame message to her, anonymously, is better than no message at all? Every email he sends her (TRIES to send her, anyway - and 4 so far) is with a different name. So it's not like he said to her, "If you ever get an email from John Doe, it's from ME". Every single message is things like 3sfQhl1 in the subject line, and the body of the email is the same, random numbers and letters. I just don't get what the POINT is, unless it's just some ... desperate ... something? Please, if anyone could tell me what their thoughts are, please I'd love to hear them.
NowhereToHide Posted January 27, 2010 Posted January 27, 2010 NoraJane, I know that her email account was deleted because I attempted to send her a snarky email a couple of weeks ago, and it bounced back as undeliverable, unknown account. I had actually cut and paste it from an email he had sent her, so I know I didn't make a typo. I guess I wouldn't call him exactly an 'angel' right now, but he's not really making an attempt to contact her, either. He has no clue about the keylogger. He could be typing her love letters, but he's not. I'm thinking maybe this is his desperate attempt to keep some kind of an 'embelical cord' to her, maybe even a lame message to her, anonymously, is better than no message at all? Every email he sends her (TRIES to send her, anyway - and 4 so far) is with a different name. So it's not like he said to her, "If you ever get an email from John Doe, it's from ME". Every single message is things like 3sfQhl1 in the subject line, and the body of the email is the same, random numbers and letters. I just don't get what the POINT is, unless it's just some ... desperate ... something? Please, if anyone could tell me what their thoughts are, please I'd love to hear them. Why don't you just tell him that you're spying on him and ask him yourself? If you're not ashamed of what you're doing, then just ask.
Author Brandy228 Posted January 27, 2010 Author Posted January 27, 2010 I was expecting snarky posts from people who are totally opposed to keyloggers and snooping in general. There wouldn't be a need for them if people didn't LIE ... LIE ... LIE Do you really think he would tell me the truth if I point blank asked him?? I'd get some weird version of Grimm's fairy tale. I'm not ashamed of what I'm doing, but it defeats the whole purpose of having a keylogger in the first place, dontcha think?
jenifer1972 Posted January 27, 2010 Posted January 27, 2010 Given that the body of the emails is jumbled too, I would wonder if it is in a secret code that they set up...not that difficult. You just need a template known by the two people and then it works well. How does he know this woman? Does she live in your city, or is this a cyber thing? And no apologies necessary for the keylogger. People who have not had their trust betrayed like some of us can afford blind trust, but that no longer works for me...
scatterd Posted January 27, 2010 Posted January 27, 2010 If I knew how I would show you and shouldnt mind if he has nothing to hide.marriage is about sharing not llieing and hiding.only the op would mind good luck!
Author Brandy228 Posted January 27, 2010 Author Posted January 27, 2010 Jen, I had the keylogger installed before D-Day, so if they ARE using some kind of code, it's something that one of them would have had the foresight to set up before getting caught. While I realize this is possible, I think it's really unlikely. She lives about 1,000 miles away from here, literally. She is an old girlfriend of his, they haven't laid eyes on each other for 3 or 4 years. I guess it wouldn't be quite so weird if he didn't keep deleting the email account immediately after sending her those weird emails!
Author Brandy228 Posted January 27, 2010 Author Posted January 27, 2010 If I knew how I would show you and shouldnt mind if he has nothing to hide. I'm sorry ... what are you trying to say?
BlueeyedJonesy Posted January 27, 2010 Posted January 27, 2010 Just throwing this out there but have you tried to email her from your H's account? she may have blocked you..and so its showing up invalid.
Author Brandy228 Posted January 27, 2010 Author Posted January 27, 2010 Just throwing this out there but have you tried to email her from your H's account? she may have blocked you..and so its showing up invalid. hhmmm ... that is certainly worth checking into, thanks! But still, he hasn't emailed her even one single time since D-Day, and he doesn't have any computer access anywhere else. Just those weird cryptic messages ...
Phateless Posted January 27, 2010 Posted January 27, 2010 This whole relationship is all wrong. You don't trust him and he's NOT acting very trustworthy. Get out of this relationship and go see a counselor to figure out why on earth you would put up with this nonsense in the first place.
Author Brandy228 Posted January 28, 2010 Author Posted January 28, 2010 I figured out HALF of the mystery!! whoo hoo! He wasn't sending her cryptic messages after all. I went onto Yahoo to check out the process of creating and deleting email accounts while I was logged onto his computer, the one with the keylogger installed on it. When I looked at the keylogger file a little while later I was like "Oh ... my ... gawd" It suddenly made sense! When you first create a Yahoo account and send your first email or two (or however many they make you jump through hoops for) they make you do those Bot checks, where you have to type in the code to make sure you're not an automated machine! I had assumed on the keylogger file the weird text and messages were in the subject line and the body of the email (the keylogger doesn't provide labels for fields, just the website and the actual text). So he was sending her BLANK emails. Yeah I know, that's only HALF of the mystery, why in the heck was he sending her blank ones in the first place? It's been about 2 days since he has done anything weird, maybe it's starting to filter out of his system!
Author Brandy228 Posted January 28, 2010 Author Posted January 28, 2010 This whole relationship is all wrong. You don't trust him and he's NOT acting very trustworthy. Get out of this relationship and go see a counselor to figure out why on earth you would put up with this nonsense in the first place. I believe everyone is entitled to a second chance - if they mess up they are entitled to right their wrong. My SO is a very decent man in almost every way, and as long as he is showing good faith towards rectifying his wrong, then all is good. I am 48 years old, and finding someone at my age is quite the task. It used to be easy ... show a little bit of cleavage, bat my eyes, and I could get a date with little effort. Those days are long gone. I don't want to be alone. This relationship isn't perfect, but it's too good to throw away. As long as he is making sincere efforts at fixing us, then I'm okay with everything. Obviously I'm not going to tolerate this for the rest of my life - it's just one day at a time.
Eeyore79 Posted January 28, 2010 Posted January 28, 2010 Hmm... why would anyone send blank emails? Are you sure he's not copying and pasting stuff from elsewhere? Regardless, the fact remains that he is making Yahoo accounts to email her, then deleting the accounts so you don't find out... he is still being deceitful. Could the Yahoo email addresses he registered give you any insight? For example: [email protected] or something like that? Like a message in an email address? Sounds dumb I know, but I can't think why he would send blank emails...
Eeyore79 Posted January 28, 2010 Posted January 28, 2010 I don't want to be alone. Imo being alone is better than being made a fool of
norajane Posted January 28, 2010 Posted January 28, 2010 and he doesn't have one single other place to access the webSure he does. If he can't do it from work, there's always Kinko's, the library, a friend's house... Anyway, as I said and as Eeyore said, he's setting up accounts so he can send her an email. Regardless of what's in the email and regardless if he's deleting the accounts and regardless whether she's receiving the mails, he's trying to contact her. Which doesn't make him "very, very good". It just makes him sneakier than before you found out.
Author Brandy228 Posted January 28, 2010 Author Posted January 28, 2010 Are you sure he's not copying and pasting stuff from elsewhere? then deleting the accounts so you don't find out... he is still being deceitful. 100% positive he's not copying & pasting, because the keylogger notes at the top "Copied from Clipboard" and generates everything that was pasted. Besides, he would have to know about the keylogger first to use that level of deception to keep me from finding out. I'm 99% sure he's never even heard of a keylogger, much less know what it is. And again, there's no "deceptive" reason to delete the accounts he creates, he's smart enough to know I could never find out about new email accounts he creates. Whatever the method to his madness is, only he knows at this point.
Author Brandy228 Posted January 28, 2010 Author Posted January 28, 2010 Imo being alone is better than being made a fool of ah yes, but the keylogger keeps the "fool" part firmly in check
Author Brandy228 Posted January 28, 2010 Author Posted January 28, 2010 Sure he does. If he can't do it from work, there's always Kinko's, the library, a friend's house... Anyway, as I said and as Eeyore said, he's setting up accounts so he can send her an email. Regardless of what's in the email and regardless if he's deleting the accounts and regardless whether she's receiving the mails, he's trying to contact her. Which doesn't make him "very, very good". It just makes him sneakier than before you found out. First off, he has no clue about the keylogger, and he has no reason to believe he needs to have such a high level of sneakiness to contact her. Secondly, he doesn't have any friends, he works in a pharmacy with the pharmacist over his shoulder all day, and there is no other web connection than what is installed on the register. Every minute of his day is accountable. He's not being sneaky, he doesn't realize he has any need to be. We're not talking about a young kid here who is knowledgable about the web and how to get around things, he's almost 60 years old, and the web is a new, foreign thing to him. Like I said before, he has no clue about the keylogger, if he WANTED to he could be writing her all kinds of stuff without any inhibition whatsoever. But he's not. He sent her 1 blank email every day for 4 days, from anonymous names, no messages, and now he has gone 2 days without any. Whatever was going through his mind to begin with, I'm pretty sure it's done with now.
eeyore1981 Posted January 28, 2010 Posted January 28, 2010 I've spent some time thinking about this, and I'm still at a loss for why this would be going on. Are you sure your keylogger is installed correctly, and that you are reading it right?
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