Woggle Posted January 23, 2010 Posted January 23, 2010 I have seen some women on here bemoaning the lack of chivalry in today's men and I have noticed that it is an idea that is pretty much on it's last legs. I will post my thoughts later but I want to know what people think is reponsible for it's demise.
sharkhunter Posted January 23, 2010 Posted January 23, 2010 Feminism . women asked for it & that's exactly what they got
Angel1111 Posted January 23, 2010 Posted January 23, 2010 Parents who don't know how to raise decent human beings.
OndaChin Posted January 23, 2010 Posted January 23, 2010 I have seen some women on here bemoaning the lack of chivalry in today's men and I have noticed that it is an idea that is pretty much on it's last legs. I will post my thoughts later but I want to know what people think is reponsible for it's demise. This is my specialty. The demise?? It surely isn't the woman that has caused this phenomena. The reason: It's the "nutless" men who don't have the ridged fortitude to exude Chivalry- i.e. Men who watch American Idol, Sex In The City etc. Women want a man that "knows" he's the sh*t (without smelling like it). You treat a "Whore like a Queen" Or a "Queen Like a Whore" and you'll see what I mean. *This includes paying on dates too!! God... I love women!
Mr White Posted January 23, 2010 Posted January 23, 2010 It's a combination of all of the above. Certainly feminism - it only takes a couple of times to meet a chivalrous act with anger or ridicule for you to stop doing it. So, it cracks me up to see women complain that chivalry is dead. They lack the basic understanding that the external acts of chivalry and the gentelmanly attitude as a state of mind are inseparable. Kill the one, and the other will go too, sooner or later. But, feminism only launched the viscious circle. Fathers that have no idea how to wear a suit and aspire to nothing but to watching wootbal in their bathrobe and drinking beer and boomer hippies who, spoiled themselves, raised a generation of spoiled brats, finished the rest. With the demise of somberness, formality, but also the sense of equality with everything on the world that used to characterise gentlemen, our collective ability to aspire to anything more than immediate gratification is way down the crapper. Chivalry is incompatible with a word where the basic premises of being a gentleman - good family, good education, good values, authority, responsibiliy, steady income and respect for the rules - are removed.
meerkat stew Posted January 23, 2010 Posted January 23, 2010 The introduction of gunpowder in Western warfare killed chivalry.
stevejohnson1976 Posted January 23, 2010 Posted January 23, 2010 I believe in and still practice chivalry....and would say 90% of the girls I date either dont care - or are turned off by it (aka 'nice guy')
OndaChin Posted January 23, 2010 Posted January 23, 2010 The introduction of gunpowder in Western warfare killed chivalry. haha. That and the "vibrator" too! j/k.
Mr White Posted January 23, 2010 Posted January 23, 2010 The introduction of gunpowder in Western warfare killed chivalry. The power of medieval knights was not so much in their weaponry and armor and skills, but more in their status and what they symbolized (nobility, power). These symbols were so powerful that they rarely, if ever, needed to fight (and if they had to, they would usually dominate). But most of the time, just the appearance of a knight was sufficient to inspire awe, fear, and respect. With the introduciton of gunpowder, when any peasant could take down a knight, all this became meaningless. Sure, many would interpret this a positive development (less opression, more democracy), but if so, we should not be surprised by the attendant peasant-ation of culture and society.
Chicago_Guy Posted January 23, 2010 Posted January 23, 2010 I believe in and still practice chivalry....and would say 90% of the girls I date either dont care - or are turned off by it (aka 'nice guy') I agree with that. I suspect that some women think that something is wrong or that you are playing a game if you treat them well. I once dated a woman who told me that I treated her a lot better than any guy she had ever dated. She specifically told me that she didn't like the previous guy she had dated because he was really controlling. However, she tried to mistreat me/take advantage of me by canceling dates for no good reason so I ended it. She was totally shocked when I told her that she wasn't treating me the right way and that I didn't want to date her anymore. I conferred with one of my guy friends and we theorize that she must have thought that I was totally into her because I didn't try to control her and treated her well because it wasn't what she was used to and that she thought that could mistreat me/cancel dates and I wouldn't care.
samsungxoxo Posted January 23, 2010 Posted January 23, 2010 However, she tried to mistreat me/take advantage of me by canceling dates for no good reason so I ended it. She was totally shocked when I told her that she wasn't treating me the right way and that I didn't want to date her anymore. I conferred with one of my guy friends and we theorize that she must have thought that I was totally into her because I didn't try to control her and treated her well because it wasn't what she was used to and that she thought that could mistreat me/cancel dates and I wouldn't care. In that case it's the person's fault. You can give kind and open-minded but if they choose to act differently or take advantage of that then screw them and find yourself someone that appreciated you for what you are. You don't have to change for no one.
Ruby Slippers Posted January 23, 2010 Posted January 23, 2010 In my world, it's alive and well. Most of the guys I've had relationships with were chivalrous, well-mannered gentlemen. I wouldn't be happy with anything less. He's gotta be a gentle knight in the streets and a fearless warrior in the sheets.
samsungxoxo Posted January 23, 2010 Posted January 23, 2010 In my world, it's alive and well. Most of the guys I've had relationships with were chivalrous, well-mannered gentlemen. I wouldn't be happy with anything less. He's gotta be a gentle knight in the streets and a fearless warrior in the sheets. It's still going on in here too. I don't see where are some people getting ideas that we like abusers or convicts, etc? I think they're either mixing up with the wrong women on unsuitable places (if you go to a club or a place full of delinquents then you're find those types of women with low self-esteem). No if you treat me horrible, guess what? I'm more than likely become one of your worst enemy that you'll wish you have never met me.
Leia Posted January 23, 2010 Posted January 23, 2010 In my world, it's alive and well. Most of the guys I've had relationships with were chivalrous, well-mannered gentlemen. I wouldn't be happy with anything less. He's gotta be a gentle knight in the streets and a fearless warrior in the sheets. Same where I am. I don't know where chivalry is dead but it sure isn't where I am. I treat men the way they treat me. To me, that's fair enough.
hoping2heal Posted January 23, 2010 Posted January 23, 2010 I have seen some women on here bemoaning the lack of chivalry in today's men and I have noticed that it is an idea that is pretty much on it's last legs. I will post my thoughts later but I want to know what people think is reponsible for it's demise. As our culture changed with time, so did the way we raised our children and the ideas we raised them with.
OceanTropic Posted January 23, 2010 Posted January 23, 2010 Parents just don't raise their kids like that anymore. Now it's all about making money and being the best of the best.
samsungxoxo Posted January 23, 2010 Posted January 23, 2010 Parents just don't raise their kids like that anymore. Now it's all about making money and being the best of the best. Or it can depend on how chivalry is defined by everyone. If it's a man that opens the door for you sometimes, pays on the first date and treats you good then chivalry never seize to exist. It's still there. Some guy pay for my ice-cream and meal just yesterday. If they're referring to some guy a woman can freely take advantage of and play games with him, then that's being stupid. No one is going to put up with that. If so then that person is a completely doormat. No one likes doormats.
Knittress Posted January 23, 2010 Posted January 23, 2010 ::shrug:: I'm a woman. A femininist. And I hold doors open for everyone.
meerkat stew Posted January 23, 2010 Posted January 23, 2010 The word needs to go away back into history. It was out of usage for 400 years, then some hack romantic writers brought it back in the 18th century. There are better words, for example "deference," "charity," "kindness," words with commonly understood definitions. Ask someone to define "chivalry" and they will mumble something about opening doors or carrying packages, that's as close as we get to an intelligible definition. Defined historically, though, it has a perfectly fine definition which anyone can explore on wikipedia. People say "chivalry is dead," well duh, it's been dead for about 600 years.
randall Posted January 23, 2010 Posted January 23, 2010 Chivalry is a nothing other than giving women special treatment for no reason beyond the fact they are female. People should be considerate of both men and women, it shouldn't be the thing to do just because one person is female.
Peter Attis Posted January 23, 2010 Posted January 23, 2010 Feminism . women asked for it & that's exactly what they got Feminism. (10) "You want to be treated like an equal? Well, that means you can open your own car door and pay for your own dinner, bitch!"
Pyro Posted January 23, 2010 Posted January 23, 2010 I can only imagine Woggles thoughts. I blame pop culture, bad parenting, and the difficulty for some individuals to think for themselves for the lack of chivalry.
sally4sara Posted January 23, 2010 Posted January 23, 2010 Chivalry: Code of behavior/ethics for knights, based on telling the truth, keeping one's word and protecting those weaker than oneself.[/COLOR][/sIZE] Chivalry (shĭv'əlrē), system of ethical ideals that arose from feudalism and had its highest development in the 12th and 13th cent.Noble youths became pages in the castles of other nobles at the age of 7; at 14 they trained as squires in the service of knights, learning horsemanship and military techniques, and were themselves knighted, usually at 21. The chief chivalric virtues were piety, honor, valor, courtesy, chastity, and loyalty. The knight's loyalty was due to the spiritual master, God; to the temporal master, the suzerain; and to the mistress of the heart, his sworn love. Love, in the chivalrous sense, was largely platonic; as a rule, only a virgin or another man's wife could be the chosen object of chivalrous love. With the cult of the Virgin Mary, the relegation of noblewomen to a pedestal reached its highest expression. __________ It seems to me chivalry has been dead for a long time; before the feminist movement. Simple acts of kindness to strangers do still play out, with no regard for the recipient's gender is dependent on the situation. But as to chivalry towards women? No. That has been long dead. Men do not throw themselves in harms way for women unless they are related, their father, or to seek sex. If we look at it in modern terms of holding out chairs - happens on dates (seeking sex). Some think it included paying the woman's food bill - happens on dates (seeking sex). Holding open doors? Well damn! I do that and not just for women. Protecting weaker people? Only if they know you and care about you. It was a busy intersection and broad daylight when a man tried to mug me with 3 men standing quite near. None tried to help and I fought him off myself. The blind woman I found trying to get out of the metro gate? Five people, two of which were grown men bitching at her to hurry up. I helped her get through and down the stairs. I got her into a cab. I guess I'm ready for Knighthood. I didn't do these things to get laid either. Its okay for men to further pussy out and blame feminism. We're perfectly capable of being beautiful, lady like, AND helping others including ourselves while you whine your way even further into obsolescence.
sumdude Posted January 23, 2010 Posted January 23, 2010 Chivalry? How about common courtesy? Honor? A code of ethics? There are thousands risking their lives so we have the time and luxury of even wondering and posting about whether or not it's dead.
H1N1 Posted January 23, 2010 Posted January 23, 2010 What do we mean by killing chivalry? You mean the end of an era in which women were put on some pedestal and men threw their coats over puddles so women could walk without getting their feet wet? Did that age ever really exist? I think there's just a difference now between the roles of both genders. There is no longer a clear-cut bread winner in a lot of couples. It's no longer a given that men work and women primarily stay at home. Almost all women now work at least part time, at least part of the time during the year. You can thank politicians and executives for sending our wealth overseas, raising our taxes, sinking our dollar, and squandering everything this nation once had. It used to be, a family could survive on one income. There's almost no way this could happen now.
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