The best post on the state of women I have seen in YEARS

[EricaH329]

Biggest scam in the history of the world.

 

Women are MORE visual than men. Not less.

 

This is coming from a womans point of view?

 

Bullsh*t! You know how many women would prefer to have the lights OFF when they have sex? Men, on the other hand, want the lights ON. Why? Because they are more visual.

 

You most certainly cannot argue this point with me and think you are going to make any sense. It's common knowledge.

 

The only reason why you don't see men flock to plasitc surgeons is that for one, it's not masculine to do so, and second, the things that women find attractive can either be fixed at the gym or can't be fixed at all.

 

I've never really paid any mind to plastic surgery, but thinking about it, I don't see it as feminine nor masculine. I see it as a way to 'fix' something on a persons body that they do not like.

 

But you have made my point in saying that what women are attracted to can be fixed at the gym or can't be fixed at all. Let me explain.

 

If you are obese, go to the gym. We do not harp on whether your nose is toooo big, or your ears are too small (or whatever). The things we find attractive are easily attainable. (Not to mention, guys have a much easier time losing weight than females do, just thought i'd point that out).

 

Now when it comes to things not being able to be fixed, those are character traits. Bad character traits.

[AD1980]

I am not speaking for all men, I am speaking in general. As this thread was meant.

 

Media portrays skinny to be sexy. Skinny means different things for women of different heights. We all are very well aware that bones sticking out is not attractive. Any dimwit would be able to see straight through that media fail.

 

Skinny, curvy, sexy. That's what it's about. Sooo many women go out and get boob jobs, and liposuction, and whatever else they can afford so that they are attractive in mens eyes. Men are visual creatures. Females want to please men by giving them something pleasant, visually. See what i'm getting at?

 

Women, on the other hand, are more emotional creatures. That's why you don't see men flocking to the plastic surgeons office to get a bigger butt, or to get rid of those love handles.

 

 

Women are MUCH more visual then people think..

 

As far as women doing it because theyre such innocent insecure creatures just looking to please Men i dont buy that its the case all the time..

 

Allot of times its self absorbed narcisism from women,competiton with other women etc

[hoping2heal]

Women are MUCH more visual then people think..

 

As far as women doing it because theyre such innocent insecure creatures just looking to please Men i dont buy that its the case all the time..

 

Allot of times its self absorbed narcisism from women,competiton with other women etc

 

LOL I don't know about narcissm, but I do think quite often it's women competing with other women more so than doing it for a man.

[OpenGL]

Bullsh*t! You know how many women would prefer to have the lights OFF when they have sex? Men, on the other hand, want the lights ON. Why? Because they are more visual.

 

Women want the lights off before women don't find the vast majority of men attractive. Men on the other hand find lots of even average women attractive.

 

I've never really paid any mind to plastic surgery, but thinking about it, I don't see it as feminine nor masculine. I see it as a way to 'fix' something on a persons body that they do not like.

 

Things like plastic surgery, tanning (other than natural tanning in the sun), manicures, etc. All of that type of sht is femine. The only reason you don't think it is because the media trying to feminize men of today and you're playing right into it. Thats another thing about the media these days, they have been trying to feminize men and stupid emo metrosexual men are playing right into it. Theres even a lot of women these days who like metrosexuals. Don't even get my started on that rant

 

If you are obese, go to the gym. We do not harp on whether your nose is toooo big, or your ears are too small (or whatever). The things we find attractive are easily attainable.

 

Facial structure, skin complexion, and the biggie, height.

[paddington bear]

What struck me about the original quoted post was the changed use of the noun 'pedestal' into a verb 'pedestalised'. Brilliant. Love when new words get invented,

 

There will be, and is already the beginnings of a backlash against the portrayal of physical perfection in the media. Things tend to go in waves, perhaps we are headed into a new era of puritanism.

 

Paris Hilton is a smart cookie, you might not be intellectually intelligent, but you have to have some street smarts to listen to the right advice you are given by those army of advisers - just look at what happened to Tom Cruise when he fired that publicist of his, bouncing on Oprah's couch, blabbing on and on about scientology and just coming across as a stupid twit (which I always thought he was anyway, so am glad he's outed himself as an idiot), or Brittaney Spears, if you are too dumb to listen to advice or have some common sense, your sucessful career will falter.

 

With Paris, the dumb blonde bit is an act, she's certainly managed to build up a whole lot of something out of nothing, and though I can't bear her, she deserves some grudging respect for managing to keep herself in the public eye for so long and selling her stupid products and what not. Having said that I wish she'd go away somewhere never to be seen again.

[CaliGuy]

This is a funny post.

 

I agree on a few points:

 

1. Facebook/MySpace has made the average person feel like a rock star. "I have 1000 friends, look at how popular I am!" when it truth you know about 25 of them and the rest of them are horny guys who only want to BOINK you. I have Facebook and 80% of my friends are people from High School. While I don't talk to them very much, I DO know them. The other 20% are people I talk to on a regular basis. Nobody is "oggling" men on FB (and I wouldn't know if they were). I have FB to maintain contact with friends and family. Sometimes, though, I could do without the "second by second" updates of which kid just made a mess in his diapers and who someone just flipped off on the freeway....

 

2. Paris Hilton. What exactly DID she do to become famous? Since when is being a "Socialite" something to admire?! She's the spoiled rotten kid of a very RICH family. That neither makes her important or automatically grant her admirable qualities. In my humble opinion she's a "skank" and nothing more. Certainly no one of importance in my eyes.

 

I admire the men and women who risk their lives every day for the greater good of mankind, science and justice.

[EricaH329]

Women want the lights off before women don't find the vast majority of men attractive. Men on the other hand find lots of even average women attractive.

 

 

 

Things like plastic surgery, tanning (other than natural tanning in the sun), manicures, etc. All of that type of sht is femine. The only reason you don't think it is because the media trying to feminize men of today and you're playing right into it. Thats another thing about the media these days, they have been trying to feminize men and stupid emo metrosexual men are playing right into it. Theres even a lot of women these days who like metrosexuals. Don't even get my started on that rant

 

 

 

Facial structure, skin complexion, and the biggie, height.

 

Ok, first thing is first. I don't play into anything. I don't do anything that I don't find to be attractive myself.

 

Second, if when you said that women want the lights off before men, you mean because of men, then I would have to say that's extremely incorrect. I wanted the lights off with my ex fiance (whom I found extremely sexy) because I thought it was more of an emotional thing than a visual one.

 

Also, you assume that the qualities females are turned off by (facial structure, skin complexion, etc) aren't qualities that men are turned off by also.

[OpenGL]

Also, you assume that the qualities females are turned off by (facial structure, skin complexion, etc) aren't qualities that men are turned off by also.

 

I have said this 1000 times already.

 

Men have preferences but will date anyone.

 

Women have requirements and will refuse to date anyone that doesn't meet them.

[EricaH329]

I have said this 1000 times already.

 

Men have preferences but will date anyone.

 

Really? Because i've been turned down before because I have red hair and fair skin, and that wasn't one of their preferences.

 

Women have requirements and will refuse to date anyone that doesn't meet them.

 

I just got out of a relationship with a guy that was 5'7. My preference: taller. My point: You're incorrect, my friend.

[AD1980]

I have said this 1000 times already.

 

Men have preferences but will date anyone.

 

Women have requirements and will refuse to date anyone that doesn't meet them.

 

I dont think all women have requirements and if the ones who do let them if it makes me happy..

 

They just have to realize when you cut off a huge percent of Men from the get go with these requeirments its gonna be even harder to find a mate and then dont whine to anyone that u cant find somebody and there are no good men when you arent flexible in who you would date.

[absoluttifftiff]

This post is ridiculous. Is this guy blaming his failure to attract women on Paris Hilton? Come on now.

 

First of all, how old are you? Women that are old enough to date in this day and age didn’t grow up learning from Paris Hilton and Kim Kardashian unless they’re like 16 years old, in which case, their antics would be excusable because they're babies. But if you're speaking about adults, by the time these celebri-whores came along most of us on this board were old enough to know better.

 

I think what you’re TRYING to say is that these women became famous and now all women want to be like them which is the most ridiculous statement that I’ve ever heard. I’ve never met anyone who wants to be just like them. Perhaps some women would like to have a flatter stomach or have crazy sex or have a round bottom, but it’s not because women want to sit around looking pretty and being like these celebrities…it’s because *drum roll please* that’s what MEN want and women will do things to please men because obviously women want a mate and that's what men expect this day and age. Men are the ones who grew up looking at Playboys and sneaking onto the computer at night to see porn after the internet was born. Men are the ones who now have ridiculous ideas of what beauty is and what they want their women to look like and act like and if they're not getting crazy sex they go out and find it elsewhere.

 

And how can you blame the creation of MILFs and G-MILFs on women? That is ludicrous. It’s not like women purposely got older and had babies so they could look sexy. Women have always been having babies…you know…living life? Men are the ones suddenly finding this fascinating and parading them around and saying look at my MILF. I’ve never heard a woman call another woman a MILF.

 

And as far as Facebook goes? EVERYONE loves talking themselves up. It has nothing to do with wanting to be a faux celebrity. Women AND men chit chat and say things to make themselves more popular and cute. This has been going on since birth. That’s what people do. I actually believe that MEN are the WORST when it comes to the social networking sites. I can’t tell you how many men have sent me messages although it clearly states that I’m in a relationship, hitting on me and saying crude things to me. And how many men put up pictures of themselves guzzling beer and having a “good ole time” with skinny blonds with fake ***s and brunettes with collagen in their lips and ass? And if you don't have that, then you're a loser.

 

I think maybe you need to check your attitude and the women that you are trying to attract.

[paddington bear]

I have said this 1000 times already.

 

Men have preferences but will date anyone.

 

Women have requirements and will refuse to date anyone that doesn't meet them.

 

And? Come on, we all know this, we women are wired to be biologically different from men, not better, just different. And no matter how advanced we think we are, there are other elements at play that we don't have much control over.

 

Caveman stuff: Men are driven to basically have as much sex as possible, women are driven to protect that potential unborn child and so therefore screwing all men within a 10 mile radius is out, because the father could be anyone, and while she's lumbering around pregnant, breast-feeding and raising children there is no one to provide food and she and the child and the species will die.

 

The money thing, possibly the height thing, definitely the broad-shouldered thing, the being picky about who to have sex thing are all to do with the fact that women can get pregnant and select a mate that will a) provide b) stick around to help provide for the kids and c) be healthy and won't die of some disease.

 

You can't realistically expect every woman you meet to want to have sex with you. It just doesn't work that way. Besides most women are looking for love rather than sex and can smell the man who just wants just sex a mile away. It's kind of a bad system, but that's the way it is.

[sagetalk]

The only requirement all women have is "you must make them feel something". If they feel nothing when they are around you, you might as well be dead to them. I once heard a very wise man say that as long they hate you (mad at you) or love you (you make them happy), you're fine. You're only in trouble if they feel nothing at all. I have found that to be so true and it explains a great deal of the bad relationships I've seen people struggle with throughout my life.

[Woggle]

Women are the way they are because we live in a society that refuses to hold them accountable for anything. They are simply born princesses because they are female and that image is drilled into their head their entire life. Paris Hilton is simply a symptom of this and she is not even the worst. I somewhat respect shameless trainwrecks who openly admit they live a shallow and meaningless life. I am not a fan of this but it is honest. She doesn't pretend by anything other than what she is. What I can't stand are these women who cheat on their men, make their families miserable and generally treat everybody like crap yet get called brave and couragous for their actions.

[paddington bear]

The only requirement all women have is "you must make them feel something". If they feel nothing when they are around you, you might as well be dead to them. I once heard a very wise man say that as long they hate you (mad at you) or love you (you make them happy), you're fine. You're only in trouble if they feel nothing at all. I have found that to be so true and it explains a great deal of the bad relationships I've seen people struggle with throughout my life.

 

Well, sagetalk by name...sage talk by nature. This makes sense. I think it's true. But don't men want to feel something to, or is it really just the sex? It can't be...men fall in love too.

[1000]

This thread has nothing to do with height. Why are you even bringing it up?

 

 

"Height"? I thought he was talking about "length."

[sagetalk]

Well, sagetalk by name...sage talk by nature. This makes sense. I think it's true. But don't men want to feel something to, or is it really just the sex? It can't be...men fall in love too.

 

I would not say it's universally true with men. There are many men who just want sex from women and nothing more. You could say that is feeling, but I'm trying to keep my posts g-rated . Most of those guys could care less about emotional feelings, or emotions in general.

[txsilkysmoothe]

"women are adored JUST FOR EXISTING."

 

Would that include the abundance of single mothers raising their children alone without any type of support from the father. I think such women would be shocked to learn that they are "ADORED."

 

 

"CONTINUE to be pedstalled by men who will pay money just for a GLIMPSE of "what she's doing".

 

Too bad a man won't pay her money to raise his children.

 

 

If young girls are aware of "Paris Hilton" I'm betting its because some man won't let anyone change the T.V. channel when she is on.

 

Do none of you men who agree with the OP not know women who have worked all their lives, put themselves through school, multi-jobs, raised kids alone?

[absoluttifftiff]

Women are the way they are because we live in a society that refuses to hold them accountable for anything. They are simply born princesses because they are female and that image is drilled into their head their entire life. Paris Hilton is simply a symptom of this and she is not even the worst. I somewhat respect shameless trainwrecks who openly admit they live a shallow and meaningless life. I am not a fan of this but it is honest. She doesn't pretend by anything other than what she is. What I can't stand are these women who cheat on their men, make their families miserable and generally treat everybody like crap yet get called brave and couragous for their actions.

 

I don't understand this. I think you and the OP are really talking about rich people in this sense. I know plenty of rich men who are like this. Not held accountable for anything. They just have to be hot and stupid and they can get anything they want. That has nothing to do with women. It has to do with money.

 

Furthermore, I don't know any women who cheat on their men, ruin families, etc and are called courageous. Can you give me an example because I honestly can't think of one person...

[meerkat stew]

"women are adored JUST FOR EXISTING."

 

Would that include the abundance of single mothers raising their children alone without any type of support from the father. I think such women would be shocked to learn that they are "ADORED."

 

Actually getting "adored" over and over by a string of strange men met out and taken home that night is often what landed her in that predicament, so she just got her "adoration" quota all in one stretch.

[Woggle]

If women don't want to raise children by the themselves maybe they shouldn't have had a fatherless kid just to show the world how independent they are and maybe they shouldn't have kicked the father out of the child's life in order to find themselves. I am really getting sick of this single mother victim when feminists keep pushing this fatherless kid idea as the ultimate statement of independence.

[Woggle]

I don't understand this. I think you and the OP are really talking about rich people in this sense. I know plenty of rich men who are like this. Not held accountable for anything. They just have to be hot and stupid and they can get anything they want. That has nothing to do with women. It has to do with money.

 

Furthermore, I don't know any women who cheat on their men, ruin families, etc and are called courageous. Can you give me an example because I honestly can't think of one person...

 

Why don't you look at some threads on this forum.

[txsilkysmoothe]

If women don't want to raise children by the themselves maybe they shouldn't have had a fatherless kid just to show the world how independent they are and maybe they shouldn't have kicked the father out of the child's life in order to find themselves. I am really getting sick of this single mother victim when feminists keep pushing this fatherless kid idea as the ultimate statement of independence.

 

My post was not intended to start a debate on a whole different issue but rather one example of a group of women (growing daily and unfortunately) who can't by anyone's stretch of the imagination be categorized as living an adored existence on a pedestal as the OP stated. I guess I used this example because of my own life experience.

 

I was married and we had a child. I left my alcoholic wife-beating husband when our son was 3 weeks old and all his attempts at stopping drinking and controlling his anger had failed. He made it clear he didn't think he needed to change. He beat me because he watched his father beat his mother - learned behavior. He hated what his father did but he wasn't able to NOT repeat it.

 

I was 22 when I left. On the advice of his family, he didn't support our son because he thought he could starve me (and the baby) out and I would be forced to come back. I was determined to raise our son to be a man. Men do not hit women. I was determined that the cycle of violence would end within this one family. My ex exercised his visitation only as a means of having access to me. When he had no success, he stopped seeing our son, stopped paying child support. Later, he spent about 8 years in prison for attempted murder. Yes, he beat his next wife that badly. I have no ill feelings toward my ex-husband. I feel sorry for him - he was a victim. He only repeated what he learned, observed as a small boy; how could he NOT end up an abuser and addicted to something.

 

I worked my ass off to support my child. And yes I made mistakes and one of them being a second pregnancy but I continued to work my ass off to raise both my children. I was never on any type of public assistance. I wasn't raised that way. I'm an attractive woman and had a fair share of marriage proposals from men who were more than willing to support me and my children - even after I told them I didn't love them. I didn't accept - I wasn't raised that way either. So today, I'm 45, my son is 23, and my daughter is 11. My son is a man, he has never hit a woman (I've checked and double-checked). I did that! I'm damn proud of that! He has had the same job for 3 years and is buying his own home. What I've just shared is deeply personal and my struggle and pain were going through my mind as I read the OP's statements about ALL WOMEN receiving adoration just for existing, on a pedestal, never growing up, never developing substance or depth. I couldn't help but think WTH? Yes I take it personally because I know there are a lot of women just like me - no one is pampering us, paying our way, or even bothering to care if we survive. We are not self absorbed baby-dolls.

 

I've never met a woman who chose to have a child by herself. I know it happens in Hollywood but I don't pay attention to that. I'll concede that some women kick the men out of their children's lives but there are just as many men who choose to leave. Just as there are women with children of multiple fathers there are men with children of multiple mothers. Neither sex has reason to be proud on this matter.

 

No kid is fatherless.

 

I'm not a feminist and you'll see in my posts that I defend men when I feel it appropriate. I will never make asinine statements that cover ALL men. I think most women are like me. We date because we love men, we want one for ourselves, we haven't given up on them as a sex. We want to love a man and be loved by a man. It's that simple.

 

I am new here and I've seen the women bashing threads and I'm asking myself "is this really the way the men posting feel about all women?" I don't know any women that fit the OP's description.

 

There are no bad men, no bad women, only bad people. They would be bad regardless of sex.

[Woggle]

I am sorry for situation and I am glad that you were able to get out of that situation and still be a great mother. I have the utmost respect for women such as yourself but there are other women who purposely deny a good man the right to see his child or push the idea that fathers are not needed. Yes it is better be raised without a horrible parent of either gender but a positive male role model is a plus in a boy's life.

 

You also have the situation that a friend of mine finds himself. When their daughter was 2 her mother takes off with a convicted criminal and abandons her own child leaving him to raise her by himself. 7 years later she returns and everybody is acting like she is the big victim and my friend is a jerk for trying to hold on to custody despite the fact that his child is clearly better off with him because this woman has a history of being instable and violent. It seems that no matter what women will be seen as the victim.

[meerkat stew]

I guess I used this example because of my own life experience.

 

Very sorry for your situation. What many men here are tired of is always hearing that situations such as yours arise -purely- because of bad men. For every situation such as yours, that involves a truly bad person, there are several where both the man -and- the woman are equally to blame for very poor and irresponsible choices with respect to having children. In those far more numerous cases, as woggle says, the woman is held up as a virtuous single mother struggling along while the man is viewed contemptuously as a deadbeat dad.

 

Whenever men try to argue that in many single parent cases, the woman's bad behavior and poor choices are equally to blame as the man's, we are called misogynists, enemies of the family, woman bashers, all manner of ridiculous things merely for stating the plain truth.