Is this predjudice or preference?

[tami-chan]

My mother did not approve of me dating my daughter's father (my xH, who is caucasian), not because of the color of his skin, but because she was worried that I will not be treated "right or well" by someone who she thought had no profound understanding of our culture. Of course, I defied her.

[mem11363]

So Johnny and Cognac,

Do you two truly think that a large geographically disparate group of molecular biologists who are also all over the map politically, ethnically and with regard to religion are all CONSPIRING to trick you into thinking that "we" humans are genetically much more racially mixed then you want us to be?

 

What is their objective? And how does the conspiracy work? What I mean is that if I take the DNA database in Iceland (over half the population) with more then 100,000 people in it - do I manipulate ANYONE's genome that shows some pattern might upset the two of you? Guys - come on. Not here. If you want to rave like lunatics go find some white supremacist board where your IQ's are closer to the median.

 

 

Cognac makes some good points, especially regarding the junk science of DNA testing. Combine notoriously unreliable testing methods with politically biased researchers and you can 'prove' anything you want....even that Adolf Hitler was a Native American.

 

The part about people dating interracially to spite their parents is true. We all know that kids love to do things that parents don't approve of. If one's parents are conservative and opposed to interracial dating, there's a good chance that he/she would be drawn to it. Also, women who have bad relationships with their fathers are much more likely to date interracially - there was a study conducted on the subject. It seems that these women project their father's inadequacies (whetehr real or perceived) on all men of their race. This is a very blatant form of self hatred.

 

It is also true that some people date interracially out of desperation. I see overweight white women with normal, in shape black men all the time. Both, the man and woman in this sort of arrangement are desperate. The white woman is desperate to because she could never get a white guy to date her (unless he was as ugly and obese as she is, which is apparently not good enough for her) and the black man is desperate because of the perceived 'social status' of having white meat on his arm (so he would rather date ab obese white chick than a normal black girl).

 

This is why I wouldn't want anything to do with someone who has dated interracially in the past. These people usually suffer from deep-rooted psychological problems.

[cognac]

After reading all of your responses, what I think it comes down to is this; some people think it's "OK" to date out of their race. Some people don't. Some people are attracted to people of different skin color, some aren't. For me, I am attracted primarily to white men, and black men, and Latino men. Sounds hokey but I see there to be no problem dating out of your race. The guy had a right to have an opinion but he didn't have to be rude about it and judge me....and the mistake I made was feeling like I needed to justify myself...when really I shouldn't have. Here's the thing; I know there are "social stereotypes" and I definitely understand them-however, if you had heard how abrupt he was about his opinion and how rude he was, it would be more the rudeness you would think of, and the ignorance.

 

Hey how come you don't include Asian guys?? Are you RACIST!?

 

 

So Johnny and Cognac,

Do you two truly think that a large geographically disparate group of molecular biologists who are also all over the map politically, ethnically and with regard to religion are all CONSPIRING to trick you into thinking that "we" humans are genetically much more racially mixed then you want us to be?[/Quote]

 

Ad hominems, straw men and red herrings galore. Typical "secular humanist liberal democrat" method of argument.

 

The molecular biologists you speak of that push the theories that we are all Africans and there is no gene for race and blah blah blah, are almost all limited to liberal democratic western countries, where universities and scientists have no free expression and freedom of science in certain subjects like race, homosexuality, gender ,etc due to a variety of political and moneyed interests who have them silenced. Dr Watson is a good example (the man who stated Africa's failure is caused by their IQ's), do you recall that affair?

 

Chinese scientists, who ironically as communist controlled, are not bound by as many taboos, have warned the west of the differences between the genetics of the races.

 

And I never said humans were not mixed to some small extent, of course we are. But the flaw is not that there are no pure races, it's the misleading way in which scientists present this. For example for a while scientists argued that Greeks and Sicilians are black descended because a proportion fo the peoples in these nations carry the gene for sickle cell anemia. But the truth of the matter is that sickle cell anema=/= negro heritage, nor were the people who occupied southern europe of sub saharan african descent (or Arab, most of the Islamic government and occupation of Spain for example was made up of native spaniards who converted and betrayed their country).

 

Having some relatively small amount of mixing does not negate the existence of race. If it did, we would not be having this conversation today.

 

There are MANY scientists who do not agree with the out of africa propaganda, they just don't get any time on PBS or national geographic.

 

What is their objective? And how does the conspiracy work? What I mean is that if I take the DNA database in Iceland (over half the population) with more then 100,000 people in it - do I manipulate ANYONE's genome that shows some pattern might upset the two of you? Guys - come on. Not here. If you want to rave like lunatics go find some white supremacist board where your IQ's are closer to the median.[/Quote]

 

DNA testing is not sufficiently sophisticated to give a truly accurate result, because of the complexity of human DNA. Not to mention that the commercial DNA tests that people have gotten that get so much tv time are so wildly inaccurate they are a waste of time and money. Most people already know their race.

 

Funny how we're talking about DNA testing by the way. Just the other day I saw some propaganda documentary about "Race: The Illusion" or something, where scientists were all claiming there is no way to tell a persons race by their DNA! HMMMMMM...

 

And again, more emotional arguments. Who is the one with the prejudice? I have an IQ of 115 (got it taken in middle school), I am not really a "white supremacist", and I don't hate anyone for their race. But I am realistic, and I do believe my own race has a right to exist on this planet as a unique people with our own customs, culture, looks, and soul. That's not racism, it's pride and the natural feeling that you want to pass the ways of your forefathers down to your own children.

[randall]

I'm sure you have a bunch Randall, but why are your preferences acceptable and not a racial one? Because your indoctrination says so.

I have no preferences that automatically disqualify an entire section of the human race with no consideration for the individual themself.

 

I have preferences that I apply when I meet an individual and that can influence my opinion of that particular person. You have a prejduice that has nothing to do with individual people and is being applied generically before you've even met the person.

 

Latina is not a race, and Japanese (east asian) people are so different from me a practical and cultural point of view. Not to mention I am not sexually attracted by women who are not of my race , period.

Latinas are hispanic. Hispanics are classified as a race.

 

What does culture have to do with this? You are rejecting people based on race, culture has nothing to do with it. There are plenty of asians, Indians, etc, born in America whose culture is purely American. Their culture is American but you are rejecting them because they aren't white.

Edited January 22, 2010 by randall

[cognac]

I have no preferences that automatically disqualify an entire section of the human race with no consideration for the individual themself. [/Quote]

 

I can guarantee you have preferences that automatically disqualify an entire section of the human race. If you were a woman I'd be laughing at the absurdity of this statement.

 

I have preferences that I apply when I meet an individual and that can influence my opinion of that particular person. You have a prejduice that has nothing to do with individual people and is being applied generically before you've even met the person. [/Quote]

 

No, my preference is that dating someone of a race that is very different from my own is not attractive to me in the short or long term.

 

Latinas are hispanic. Hispanics are classified as a race.

[/Quote]

 

No Hispanic is not a race, it is an artifical category invented by richard nixon in the 1970's. Unless you consider Sammy Sosa, George Lopez, and Alexis Bledel to be the same race :lmao: Using the logic of this dumb hispanic category, a Jamaican, a Cherokee and a Welshmen are the same race. I've travelled throughout the South American continent and will tell you right now, that every region is racially distinct, north and central brazil is black, bolivia, peru and mexico are indian, and Argentina and Uruguay are as white or more than the USA and Canada.

[ADF]

Some opinions are unworthy of "respect," including his. He is clearly a racist who cannot handle the idea of touching a woman who might have once been intimate with a black man. You are well rid of him.

[flc]

Hey how come you don't include Asian guys?? Are you RACIST!?

 

 

 

 

Ad hominems, straw men and red herrings galore. Typical "secular humanist liberal democrat" method of argument.

 

The molecular biologists you speak of that push the theories that we are all Africans and there is no gene for race and blah blah blah, are almost all limited to liberal democratic western countries, where universities and scientists have no free expression and freedom of science in certain subjects like race, homosexuality, gender ,etc due to a variety of political and moneyed interests who have them silenced. Dr Watson is a good example (the man who stated Africa's failure is caused by their IQ's), do you recall that affair?

 

Chinese scientists, who ironically as communist controlled, are not bound by as many taboos, have warned the west of the differences between the genetics of the races.

 

And I never said humans were not mixed to some small extent, of course we are. But the flaw is not that there are no pure races, it's the misleading way in which scientists present this. For example for a while scientists argued that Greeks and Sicilians are black descended because a proportion fo the peoples in these nations carry the gene for sickle cell anemia. But the truth of the matter is that sickle cell anema=/= negro heritage, nor were the people who occupied southern europe of sub saharan african descent (or Arab, most of the Islamic government and occupation of Spain for example was made up of native spaniards who converted and betrayed their country).

 

Having some relatively small amount of mixing does not negate the existence of race. If it did, we would not be having this conversation today.

 

There are MANY scientists who do not agree with the out of africa propaganda, they just don't get any time on PBS or national geographic.

 

 

 

DNA testing is not sufficiently sophisticated to give a truly accurate result, because of the complexity of human DNA. Not to mention that the commercial DNA tests that people have gotten that get so much tv time are so wildly inaccurate they are a waste of time and money. Most people already know their race.

 

Funny how we're talking about DNA testing by the way. Just the other day I saw some propaganda documentary about "Race: The Illusion" or something, where scientists were all claiming there is no way to tell a persons race by their DNA! HMMMMMM...

 

And again, more emotional arguments. Who is the one with the prejudice? I have an IQ of 115 (got it taken in middle school), I am not really a "white supremacist", and I don't hate anyone for their race. But I am realistic, and I do believe my own race has a right to exist on this planet as a unique people with our own customs, culture, looks, and soul. That's not racism, it's pride and the natural feeling that you want to pass the ways of your forefathers down to your own children.

 

Your ignorance is unfathonamble

[cognac]

Your ignorance is unfathonamble

 

Glad to have such an intellectual and scientific debate. Maybe if you stopped running away from things that make you slightly uncomfortable because they challenge your fragile ego and what you were taught all your life by teachers, TV, and your parents, you would be able to become a more complete and independant human.

 

Every time you point the "ignorant " finger at me, you're pointing 4 at yourself .

[Loquacious Miss L.]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. If people don't want to date outside of their race that's fine by me. However, since I have no problem with it, when someone is judgmental like that, they are not someone I even want to be friends with. Let me reiterate it's how one talks to me that's important.

[Mr White]

It may be prejudice. But it may also be legit - back in college I've seen a few girls f*ck a black dude for no good reason other than scandalize their father and/or peers. That didn't make them "open minded", it made them slutty bitches that were just as racist as the people they were trying to scandalise.

(I'm not saying that's you; just pointing that that could be part of his reasoning, even if it is grossly inaccurate)

[Mr White]

Cognac makes some good points, especially regarding the junk science of DNA testing. Combine notoriously unreliable testing methods with politically biased researchers and you can 'prove' anything you want....even that Adolf Hitler was a Native American.

 

The part about people dating interracially to spite their parents is true. We all know that kids love to do things that parents don't approve of. If one's parents are conservative and opposed to interracial dating, there's a good chance that he/she would be drawn to it. Also, women who have bad relationships with their fathers are much more likely to date interracially - there was a study conducted on the subject. It seems that these women project their father's inadequacies (whetehr real or perceived) on all men of their race. This is a very blatant form of self hatred.

 

It is also true that some people date interracially out of desperation. I see overweight white women with normal, in shape black men all the time. Both, the man and woman in this sort of arrangement are desperate. The white woman is desperate to because she could never get a white guy to date her (unless he was as ugly and obese as she is, which is apparently not good enough for her) and the black man is desperate because of the perceived 'social status' of having white meat on his arm (so he would rather date ab obese white chick than a normal black girl).

 

This is why I wouldn't want anything to do with someone who has dated interracially in the past. These people usually suffer from deep-rooted psychological problems.

 

 

Dude, I usually agree with you but this is a bit over the top much.

I'm caucasian, and my gf is asian, and i think it's more likely that I'm dating her because she's hot, rather than out of self-hatred:).

 

 

I've got no strong opinions on the topic either way. But it is fair to say that circumstances play big role in this. For example, interracial dating makes a lot more sense when a couple is away from their homelands and meet in a cosmopolitan city, than a midwestern person from a small town dating ethnic. The environment alone can make this natural in one setting and legitimately weird in another.

[Disillusioned]

Yes, but what about people who refuse to date members of their own race? My best buddy is a Mexican who won't date Mexican women because he thinks they all have an attitude.

[D-Lish]

My mother did not approve of me dating my daughter's father (my xH, who is caucasian), not because of the color of his skin, but because she was worried that I will not be treated "right or well" by someone who she thought had no profound understanding of our culture. Of course, I defied her.

 

Does she now casually throw in the "I told you so" every once and a while?

[D-Lish]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. If people don't want to date outside of their race that's fine by me. However, since I have no problem with it, when someone is judgmental like that, they are not someone I even want to be friends with. Let me reiterate it's how one talks to me that's important.

 

Look, this dude has major issues. Whether he's racist or just plain ridiculous- you've dodged a bullet!

 

This is his issue, don't sweat it or give him another thought.

[Loquacious Miss L.]

Thanks. He wants to be friends but I don't think so!