Simon Attwood Posted January 21, 2010 Posted January 21, 2010 And let me tell you, with the history of slavery both in the UK and America, caucasians with black blood are a lot more abundant than you'd think.... There was a program a few years ago on TV where genetic tests were carried out on 100s of people to find out more about our heritage. Every white person tested for the program was found to have some negro genes in their DNA.
Bejita463 Posted January 21, 2010 Posted January 21, 2010 I don't believe interracial dating is morally or socially acceptable, Mr. Dictionary Guy. Does that clarify it? You should read what you quote before dismissing it. prejudice; A preconceived preference or idea. an opinion formed beforehand, esp an unfavourable one based on inadequate facts.
Johnny M Posted January 21, 2010 Posted January 21, 2010 So I get accused of being 'prejudiced' by the resident political correctoids....meh. How predictable.
cognac Posted January 21, 2010 Posted January 21, 2010 You have a preconceived preference that you are acting on before even meeting a woman. I think what you have described is almost the definition of prejudiced.[/Quote] I'm sure you have a bunch Randall, but why are your preferences acceptable and not a racial one? Because your indoctrination says so. So if a cute Japanese or Latina girl approached you you'd instantly reject her because your values don't allow for interacial dating?[/Quote] Latina is not a race, and Japanese (east asian) people are so different from me a practical and cultural point of view. Not to mention I am not sexually attracted by women who are not of my race , period. "Racism: discrimination against or antagonism towards other races." What part of eliminating someone from your dating pool based only on the racial aspect is not racist? [/Quote] Racism is negatively affecting someone's capabilities because of their race. Preferring the culture, company and even physical appearance of your own kind is not racism, it's nature. Says the guy who apparently wants to move to another country like Korea or somewhere to find a girl. [/Quote] I never said I was going to move to korea. I'm going to move to an occidental country. Well you win the prize for the most patronizing post in history. You really assume women think a certain way because MTV tells them to?! You clearly have a problem with interracial dating but many of us don't. In fact I don't even give it any thought. If I like someone, I like them. Race is just one of so many different parts of a person. To think as you do, that people must 'hate themsleves' to date outside of their race, is a bizarre belief.[/Quote] When women date outside of their race, it's to piss off daddy or because they have some bizarre black guy fetish (and believe the lies about their junk). When guys do it it's out of desperation. Would all the women here who are so outraged that race plays an integral part in whether someone is attractive or not to me answer me something, What do you think of East Asian men? Interracial dating is a one way street. Out of shape, old , balding white guys with young Asian women , and white cheerleader with black football player. How often do you see any other interracial couples, I personally have never and am sure will never see an Asian male -Black female couple. Btw I agree that preferences are fine - I grew up with Muslim friends who wouldn't date me because I am white and because it is important for them and their religious beliefs to only date other Muslims. They were totally respectful and cool friends, and I had no problem with that standpoint at all. Cool with me - that is a religiously based preference. It is small minded bigotry and judgementalism (by any religious or ethnic group) that I find to be a problem.[/Quote] Religious preference is actually the less relevant one . I can recite a handful of words and become a Muslim right now if I wanted. You cannot however, change your DNA. I agree with an earlier poster that America is still an extremely racist place. People in many other cultures would think we were freaks for sounding so middle-ages about (shock, horror) 'interracial dating'. [/Quote] Real racial feelings can never be taken away because we are born with those feelings. Read the study on "racist babies". When people talk about racists, they only mean it when white people do it, white people are objectively the least guilty of every day racism outside of understandable situations (such as, there are more white politicians because whites make up 65% of America's population!) but when any other race or ethnic group like black people, jewish people, asian people, etc do it, it's only "pride". I used to go out with a white guy who was extremely prejudiced. He had the same POV as Cognac and Johnny M rolled together, and frankly it was a deal-breaker for me. I dumped him because I couldn't stand his racist attitudes. he kept going on about his pure British blood, and how it would never be tainted by fraternising with a woman from a coloured race.... ...So you can imagine the look on my face when I discovered that his mother had been trying to trace a family relative, and through investigation, out of curiosity, and discovered that his great-great (something) grandfather had been black. A freed slave, he had married a white woman in Jamaica, and they had had a big family. The eldest son also married a white woman, and so, the black characteristics and facial features had become far less pronounced. But there was no question. He was part black. Now HIS face - I'd loved to have seen. From what I heard, it actually shook him. And let me tell you, with the history of slavery both in the UK and America, caucasians with black blood are a lot more abundant than you'd think.... [/Quote] You have again, a very politicized understanding of race. First you girlies say "race is only skin deep!". Then say "Oh I know a white guy with a possible negro relative 10 generations ago!". Nobody here pretends that there is such a thing as a "pure race", but that doesn't mean race is not something discernible and intelligible that the every day man on the street can recognize and differentiate with. Being 1% black is pretty irrelevant in the big picture. People who say they don't notice race are liars, especially women who are instinctually more "racist" than men are (sometimes, they don't even know it). Women are just very well-versed in political correctness, read 1984, the women were the ones who always swallowed the party line without any question at all There was a program a few years ago on TV where genetic tests were carried out on 100s of people to find out more about our heritage. Every white person tested for the program was found to have some negro genes in their DNA. [/Quote] Those DNA tests are all extremely politicized and they use a questionable method for their sequences. It's why a brooklyn jew like Larry david came up as half native american on the george lopez show, and an obviously mixed person like jessica alba came back as 90% european. It's junk science and the DNA testing system has not been tweaked for accuracy yet. Leave your politics at the door. Just because you want to date interracially, doesn't mean you have to force all of us to want to too or try all these idiotic tricks (not you, but the system itself) to try and guilt/scare whites (as for other races, it's ok to feel this way) into giving up our natural inclination to stick to our own. Don't try to argue non-sense like "WE'RE ALL BLACK" or other laughable theories that only left-wing ideologues push ( evidence even for the out of africa theory is really shakey and disproven a few times, much more evidence supports the multi-regional theory, only that one gets no TV play like "out of africa" because it proves no political agenda). Truth is, race matters. Sipping martini's in your upper middle class sheltered 90% white neighborhood with your half black girlfriend is not the same as living in a place where blacks and non-white "hispanics" make up the majority, this is coming from someone who has lived in a neighborhood with few whites and mostly non-white people. I made plenty of friends and met some nice people along the way, I'm not some mindless bigot, but if I could afford to live with people who look, act, and even see the world like I do, I obviously prefer that. I don't think it makes me a racist. Unfortunately, whites in America are so deracinated that there is no place for us to be at home, we have the (ironic since you say America is so racist) that every man is his own island, hence no solidarity between the socially constructed classes and "urban tribes" which provide a superficial and unnatural sense of belonging. Most whites in America would probably prefer their daughter marry a rich black baseball player than they would a white carpenter or blue collar guy. America is classist, not racist.
flc Posted January 21, 2010 Posted January 21, 2010 The difference between being racist or prejudice comes from why you would not date someone of another race. If it is purily because of their race that is you have not seen them, talked them or know them, I think it is prejudice. On the other hand if in general you don't find someone of another race physically attractive then I would say it is a preference. For me I can find women in all races that I find that are attractive to me and if I find them attractive I would date them regardless of their race. For the OP if the guy doesn't want anything to do with you just because you dated someone from another race that is clearly prejudice and racism, what else could it be?
Simon Attwood Posted January 21, 2010 Posted January 21, 2010 So.... Are you glad you got that off your chest, Cognac?
Choboto Posted January 21, 2010 Posted January 21, 2010 not dating a black girl becuase you like palyin with a girls hair, and you cant really play with a black girls hair without feelin like you just changed your oil is preference. not talkin to you cuz you dated a black man is prejudiced.
and.then.some Posted January 21, 2010 Posted January 21, 2010 To the question about the types of mixing... Well, if you haven't noticed it on the street, you should notice it on TV... Black woman / white man couples are on the rise. In fact, I now see more black women with white men than i see black men with white women. Other mixes? Of course. Black and latino, white and latino, black and asian, white and asian, mexican and asian... I've seen just about everything. Racial mixing is nothing new at all. To call it morally and socially wrong is absolutely absurd in most cases. I see the value in trying to preserve culture, for those who actually belong to cultures which are on the bring of extinction. (However, every culture under the sun evolved from outside influences, repeatedly, over time.) To have a preference is fine. However, if your culture and bloodline isn't currently threatened, then it is nothing more than racism to view such things as "unacceptable". If a Cuban man would rather be with a Cuban woman because they have more in common and he is just naturally more attracted to Cuban women... I don't think it's racist at all. However, when you start to throw in "moral and social" acceptability you've crossed the line into bigotry. Desperation isn't the reason that two people of different races fall in love and marry. There are people in the world who have fetishes, but this isn't the truth for everyone.
tigressA Posted January 21, 2010 Posted January 21, 2010 I wonder what cognac's and Johnny M's views on biracial (black/white) people dating are... As a biracial woman, I think it's funny when people say I'm dating outside my race when I'm dating a white guy, because I'm not.
and.then.some Posted January 21, 2010 Posted January 21, 2010 I wonder what cognac's and Johnny M's views on biracial (black/white) people dating are... As a biracial woman, I think it's funny when people say I'm dating outside my race when I'm dating a white guy, because I'm not. The official view of the white supremacist is summed up by the term "mongrel".The racially mixed aren't either, and would still be dating outside of their race if they were to date any person of "pure blood". I'm not a white supremacist, but I am okay with that.
Simon Attwood Posted January 21, 2010 Posted January 21, 2010 I wonder what cognac's and Johnny M's views on biracial (black/white) people dating are... As a biracial woman, I think it's funny when people say I'm dating outside my race when I'm dating a white guy, because I'm not. They would probably look upon you as some kind of freakish mutation and ponder how the good white god could let you live
OpenGL Posted January 21, 2010 Posted January 21, 2010 I wonder what cognac's and Johnny M's views on biracial (black/white) people dating are... As a biracial woman, I think it's funny when people say I'm dating outside my race when I'm dating a white guy, because I'm not. Usually people who have those feelings go by the one drop rule. If you have ANY black in you, you're black end of story. Johnny/cognac, if I'm a American black man, do you approve of me dating Africans? What about black brazillians? What exactly are my limitations? Only races who have dark skin? Can I date Indians? You see how stupid this can get?
tigressA Posted January 21, 2010 Posted January 21, 2010 (edited) Usually people who have those feelings go by the one drop rule. If you have ANY black in you, you're black end of story. You see how stupid this can get? Oh man, do I ever. My dad's side of the family (black) adheres to the one drop rule. They consider me black, and openly state that they would prefer if I dated black men. They mock my "taste for geeky white guys". While I have dated only white men, it's not out of a strict preference for them. I'm open to dating any race/ethnicity and have had crushes on all kinds. I tend to go pretty crazy for Middle Eastern/Indian men, myself. Anyway, OP: Good that you've decided to not spend any more time on him. Clearly he's not worth it. Even if he hadn't been rude to you about your answer, he would've shown signs of serious insecurity over the issue later and that's never fun. Edited January 21, 2010 by tigressA
Johnny M Posted January 21, 2010 Posted January 21, 2010 Cognac makes some good points, especially regarding the junk science of DNA testing. Combine notoriously unreliable testing methods with politically biased researchers and you can 'prove' anything you want....even that Adolf Hitler was a Native American. The part about people dating interracially to spite their parents is true. We all know that kids love to do things that parents don't approve of. If one's parents are conservative and opposed to interracial dating, there's a good chance that he/she would be drawn to it. Also, women who have bad relationships with their fathers are much more likely to date interracially - there was a study conducted on the subject. It seems that these women project their father's inadequacies (whetehr real or perceived) on all men of their race. This is a very blatant form of self hatred. It is also true that some people date interracially out of desperation. I see overweight white women with normal, in shape black men all the time. Both, the man and woman in this sort of arrangement are desperate. The white woman is desperate to because she could never get a white guy to date her (unless he was as ugly and obese as she is, which is apparently not good enough for her) and the black man is desperate because of the perceived 'social status' of having white meat on his arm (so he would rather date ab obese white chick than a normal black girl). This is why I wouldn't want anything to do with someone who has dated interracially in the past. These people usually suffer from deep-rooted psychological problems.
OpenGL Posted January 21, 2010 Posted January 21, 2010 Cognac makes some good points, especially regarding the junk science of DNA testing. Combine notoriously unreliable testing methods with politically biased researchers and you can 'prove' anything you want....even that Adolf Hitler was a Native American. Ok if you don't accept DNA testing, what will you except? Skin tone? I have a grandma and aunts that are half white but you wouldn't tell them apart from other "pure" ( ) whites even though they have 50% black in them. The part about people dating interracially to spite their parents is true. We all know that kids love to do things that parents don't approve of. If one's parents are conservative and opposed to interracial dating, there's a good chance that he/she would be drawn to it. Some date in spite, some are only attracted to whatever race they're into, and believe it or not some people just date the person they are into, regardless of race! Imagine that, people not looking at race but dating the person. Hard to believe but it happens Also, women who have bad relationships with their fathers are much more likely to date interracially - there was a study conducted on the subject. It seems that these women project their father's inadequacies (whetehr real or perceived) on all men of their race. This is a very blatant form of self hatred. So what? Some people hate themselves, some people hate others, some people hate the world. I don't see how it's relevant. It is also true that some people date interracially out of desperation. I see overweight white women with normal, in shape black men all the time. Both, the man and woman in this sort of arrangement are desperate. The white woman is desperate to because she could never get a white guy to date her (unless he was as ugly and obese as she is, which is apparently not good enough for her) and the black man is desperate because of the perceived 'social status' of having white meat on his arm (so he would rather date ab obese white chick than a normal black girl). I see obese women with fit men of all races, all the time. It's just a stereotype protrayed by the media just like all the rest of the bull people (especially women) buy into. Ive already stated my rant on the media many times. This is why I wouldn't want anything to do with someone who has dated interracially in the past. These people usually suffer from deep-rooted psychological problems. Your choice to believe people who date interracial suffer from psychological problems but the overwhelming evidence is this isn't true.
Author Loquacious Miss L. Posted January 22, 2010 Author Posted January 22, 2010 After reading all of your responses, what I think it comes down to is this; some people think it's "OK" to date out of their race. Some people don't. Some people are attracted to people of different skin color, some aren't. For me, I am attracted primarily to white men, and black men, and Latino men. Sounds hokey but I see there to be no problem dating out of your race. The guy had a right to have an opinion but he didn't have to be rude about it and judge me....and the mistake I made was feeling like I needed to justify myself...when really I shouldn't have. Here's the thing; I know there are "social stereotypes" and I definitely understand them-however, if you had heard how abrupt he was about his opinion and how rude he was, it would be more the rudeness you would think of, and the ignorance.
JohnP82 Posted January 22, 2010 Posted January 22, 2010 This is why I wouldn't want anything to do with someone who has dated interracially in the past. These people usually suffer from deep-rooted psychological problems. So you're telling me if Heidi Klum divorced Seal and wanted to date you, you would say no because she married a black guy?
and.then.some Posted January 22, 2010 Posted January 22, 2010 the black man is desperate because of the perceived 'social status' of having white meat on his arm (so he would rather date ab obese white chick than a normal black girl). I think you think more highly of whites than most blacks who specifically want whites. I have not seen any more of a "mismatch" between interracial couples than I have in couples of the same race. The black guys I know who dated white women exclusively were very picky about looks. Even though they might have preferred white women, I've never met a black man who was "desperate" for one. It's just so sad to me that you would come to that sort of conclusion. But, of course, you probably are one of the ones who believe that all people who date overweight individuals HAVE to be desperate anyway. The MOST idiotic thing about all of this anti-race mixing garbage is that no one is taking into consideration where people were raised! Sometimes, it really has nothing to do with color at all. I know non-white men who prefer white women because they feel more comfortable with them. Why? Because they were raised mostly around whites. Sometimes, because they too are sheltered, they haven't really considered that there may be others of their own race of a similar upbringing. They believe that the stereotypes are most likely true on average. Blacks, whites, latinos, asians, natives, etc aren't all raised in their own separate communities, isolated and far away from anyone who is different from themselves. No, many times they're raised among people of different races, and thus, like the people who "stick to their own" are doing the same thing, in a manner of speaking, by dating outside of their own races. Some people date outside of their race for rather silly reasons, but it is ridiculous to suggest that all interracial relationships can be chalked up to revenge and desperation.
meerkat stew Posted January 22, 2010 Posted January 22, 2010 Pre-fer-ence and Pre-ju-dice live together in perfect De-fer-ence side by side on my Loveshack keyboard, Oh Lord, why can't weeeeee?
bac Posted January 22, 2010 Posted January 22, 2010 (edited) Perhaps he studied medicine at some point in his life. He might have a phobia of HIV which is more common among doctors and nurses. Phobia is an irrational fear. Edited January 22, 2010 by bac
brock25 Posted January 22, 2010 Posted January 22, 2010 This is why I wouldn't want anything to do with someone who has dated interracially in the past. These people usually suffer from deep-rooted psychological problems. This is a false stereotype. For some people, race may be a complete non-factor. Other people may generally be attracted to race(s) outside of their own race. It's not any different than a person being attracted to a certain body type or hairstyle.
DiscoChick Posted January 22, 2010 Posted January 22, 2010 I've never considered race when I looked at a guy. What I considered are: height and intelligence. Oh, and teeth. I've dated a white guy and a black guy. There wasn't a huge difference in the two. I grew up in a middle class family and attended schools with many races. It's never about race with me but compatibility, and I don't care what color he's dated in the past as long as he doesn't have a kid and he isn't carrying anything (diseases).
OpenGL Posted January 22, 2010 Posted January 22, 2010 What I considered are: height I love how women prove me right every single day on LS I really don't even need to say much of anything. Women make the case for me.
DiscoChick Posted January 22, 2010 Posted January 22, 2010 I love how women prove me right every single day on LS I really don't even need to say much of anything. Women make the case for me. Some women like short men. My friend is 5'10 and she has a preference for short men. She has never dated a man taller than I am, and I'm just 5'8. A guy has to be 5'7 or taller for me. I don't want to lean over to make out unless he is lying down. I also have a thing for guys with beards, but hey...
dazzle22 Posted January 22, 2010 Posted January 22, 2010 Internet dating is like trolling the bottom of the ocean. I think you have to be very wary of anyone you meet that way and "vet" them a looong time! I have found it interesting over my lifetime to encounter parents of many of my friends, be they white bread like me, black, asian, catholic, proddy, Japanese, etc...they often have sort of an unspoken disapproval of their children "mixing" their "bloodlines", whether these lines be drawn of color or ideology...like there is a dilution effect or something that they consider their own "uniqueness" I guess. I think that is what underlies a lot of it. The loss of one's own "clans" uniqueness. But then, on the other hand, I have never seen such overt vitreolic racism raising its ugly head as the horrid false things said about our current president. It is shameful. But, don't want to push THAT red button..!
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