theBrokenMuse Posted January 26, 2010 Posted January 26, 2010 Sometimes when I listen to some of the shackers on here prattle on I wonder if anything would remain of them if they were to have an enema.
meerkat stew Posted January 26, 2010 Posted January 26, 2010 like crabs in a barrel - when one tries to get out, the others pull him back in. That's awesome :lmao: It's like when my crackhead friends are over here, and I'm like "can we please just hang out tonight and not smoke crack?" and they are like, "hell no you will smoke crack and like it!" So they get me like that mean ole crab and pull me back down.
citygal1 Posted January 26, 2010 Posted January 26, 2010 Height is not important for me. I'm 5'9" and I have dated men ranging from 5' 7" to 6' 1".
StalledGirl Posted January 26, 2010 Posted January 26, 2010 How can 5ft6 be the average height for a man?! I've dated shorter but would prefer a tall man as i'm a tall woman but the average male seems to be 5ft9/10 in the UK.
ella23 Posted January 26, 2010 Posted January 26, 2010 (edited) How can 5ft6 be the average height for a man?! I've dated shorter but would prefer a tall man as i'm a tall woman but the average male seems to be 5ft9/10 in the UK. That's right. The average height for males in the UK is 5'9"/5'10", and it's probably the same in the US. The other ones who say they don't care, are by women who are...dating guys that stand at 6'3! I'm pretty sure I mentioned that I've dated guys who were 5'7" and 5'8". That kind of shows I don't mind. I'm not just saying it. Edited January 26, 2010 by ella23
randall Posted January 26, 2010 Posted January 26, 2010 I don't think it has to do with security. What does the 95 lbs heroin addicted beanpole rockstar women love offer in terms of security? Two of my sisters are very small (5'2" or so) and they both told me they prefer bigger guys because it complements their small size and makes them feel safer.
Author Jersey Shortie Posted January 26, 2010 Author Posted January 26, 2010 And yes, women are fiercely competition for that 0.1% and refuse to give in until they are 40+. Some women never give in and die unmarried/childless. The only reason the population is increasing is women outside the US are nothing like the superficial media driven women here. To be honest, women have so much more going for them today, if we don't find love, then I think we are able to live fullfilling lives beyond a husband and children. Men don't seem to have as many strong deep relationships that women are able to easily build. Secondly, if you think it's only american women affected by the media, and american men are so kind and generous and unaffected, you have some serious reading to do. Maxim, Playboy, the billions upon billions of porn out there that is largley catered to a male audience. The beauty industry does not market as many products to men because women are the ones that are held to higher expectations on looks. Men do not get plastic surgery to the degree women do because again, men are not held to the expectations of looks that women are. So I do really feel for the shot guys. But next time yuor sitting infront of your computer or you rented your lastest porno with any number of young, fit surgically enhanced women, please check yourself at the door and remember all the postings you went on about how wome nare so superfical.
cognac Posted January 26, 2010 Posted January 26, 2010 To be honest, women have so much more going for them today, if we don't find love, then I think we are able to live fullfilling lives beyond a husband and children. Men don't seem to have as many strong deep relationships that women are able to easily build.[/Quote] Women are able to get relationships with men easier than vice a versa. It is a uniquely American and maybe Western european phenomenon, where women have complete control over what men get girlfriends and what men do not. You will find men in countries outside of America are way more confident with women, it's not because of some genetic difference, it's because in other countries, women have a broader definition of what makes an attractive man and those guys know that they can get a girlfriend even if they're a little short or missing a tooth (LOL, dead serious). Then again the women in other countries that I mention are not as perfectionist themselves, you will never see the bottle blonde overtanned type of women you see on every block in America in Bulgaria or Uruguay. Secondly, if you think it's only American women affected by the media, and American men are so kind and generous and unaffected, you have some serious reading to do. Maxim, Playboy, the billions upon billions of porn out there that is largely catered to a male audience. [/Quote] What does this have to do with dating? A man's choice in pornography is about as relevant as a woman's choice in soap operas and vampire/romance novels. Can you name me a single romance novel that doesn't have an extremely photo-shopped Fabio type of guy on the cover? The beauty industry does not market as many products to men because women are the ones that are held to higher expectations on looks.[/Quote] They market more cosmetics to women because men do not wear cosmetics. But men are still held to high standards. I don't know what the figures are for example, for the weight lifting industry, but you better believe most men who are very muscular do it because women demand it. Many things women like about men are also not something you can buy at the store, like tall height. Men do not get plastic surgery to the degree women do because again, men are not held to the expectations of looks that women are. So I do really feel for the shot guys. But next time yuor sitting infront of your computer or you rented your lastest porno with any number of young, fit surgically enhanced women, please check yourself at the door and remember all the postings you went on about how wome nare so superfical.[/Quote] Do you know any male strippers that are not extremely muscular with a gargantuan bulging penis? Personally I prefer more average looking women in my porno (it's called amateur) and find the perfect pin up women to be boring and bland. I'd like for you however to name me a single male abercrombie and fitch model who is under 6 feet tall, bald, or not in amazing shape??? This is irrelevant. Only retards (of both sexes) expect people like this to date them. Women you must admit, hold out for them more often than men do though because most women resent men and feel they don't need a man unless he is physically perfect and "HOT".
OpenGL Posted January 26, 2010 Posted January 26, 2010 cognac pretty much said, verbatim, what my reply to your post was going to be Jersey Shortie.
meerkat stew Posted January 27, 2010 Posted January 27, 2010 The beauty industry does not market as many products to men because women are the ones that are held to higher expectations on looks. The beauty industry does not market as many products to men because women are the ones that are held to higher expectations on looks... by other women and their own vanity, and not usually at all by men. Fixed.
brock25 Posted January 27, 2010 Posted January 27, 2010 The beauty industry does not market as many products to men because women are the ones that are held to higher expectations on looks... by other women and their own vanity, and not usually at all by men. Fixed. Good point. Women are often critical of other women's looks. For example, look at some of the women's health / beauty / fashion magazines. A woman celebrity would gain 10 lbs. Then some other women will call her fat.
JazzFan Posted January 27, 2010 Posted January 27, 2010 I think the only time short men have a problem with dating...is just the ONLINE dating part....women reject short men when it comes to online dating very easily. In the real world, different story. I have noticed this trend from personal experience.
lino Posted January 27, 2010 Posted January 27, 2010 The beauty industry does not market as many products to men because women are the ones that are held to higher expectations on looks... by other women and their own vanity, and not usually at all by men. Fixed. Truer words have not been spoken! If you don't want to wear makeup then don't, no one is forcing you to!
theBrokenMuse Posted January 27, 2010 Posted January 27, 2010 (edited) The beauty industry does not market as many products to men because women are the ones that are held to higher expectations on looks... by other women and their own vanity, and not usually at all by men. Fixed. The whole concept of competing with other women on the basis of attractiveness is entirely about what is effectively considered the most attractive to men or should I say, one's spoon fed notions of what is deemed by western societal standards attractive to men. The standard of which was set and has evolved mostly by men in a boardroom looking to peddle their snake oil. Many of these women would not be vain if our culture didn't worship youth and idealized beauty above all else or if they weren't made to feel that their attractiveness was entwined with their worth as human beings. The reason that the beauty industry and Hollywood has been so successful at creating this climate is that men have been more than happy to go along with these ideals. It would not have been a success if what they were selling wasn't appealing to the opposite sex. Edited January 27, 2010 by theBrokenMuse
meerkat stew Posted January 27, 2010 Posted January 27, 2010 The reason that the beauty industry and Hollywood has been so successful at creating this climate is that men have been more than happy to go along with these ideals. It would not have been a success if what they were selling wasn't appealing to the opposite sex. Rationalize however you like, men have relatively little to do with women's standards of beauty in U.S. culture. Most men prefer a natural, sporty look, can't tell the difference between $100 shoes and $500 shoes, don't know La Mer from Loreal, can't tell the difference between $3 makeup and $50 makeup, etc. Sure men go along because for the most part, men are so much easier to please than women. Just don't be fat, and any woman is accepted by men. Simple and true. And if you think men control the marketing industry, or that men (straight men anyway) control the fashion industry, or that men control the women's magazines industry, you are sadly mistaken. The level that women will stoop in attempting to shift blame back on men somehow for women's vanity would be funny if it weren't so obnoxious. Are women to blame for any of their faults and foibles? accountable in the least? or is there always some evil male puppet master in the wings?
theBrokenMuse Posted January 27, 2010 Posted January 27, 2010 (edited) Rationalize however you like No, you rationalize however YOU like, as you have been. men have relatively little to do with women's standards of beauty in U.S. culture. That's a load of bull**** and you know it - the whole idea behind being attractive is to ATTRACT. The ONLY reason that anyone cares about beauty as an attribute is because at it's subconscious root it serves one primal and basic purpose that through out history has always been of great importance to our species: attracting the most ideal romantic partners to produce offspring with. If what they were doing was not accomplishing this then it would have not gained in popularity. Most men prefer a natural, sporty look Last time I checked you weren't made the official spokesperson for men. I have known more than a few men that outright hate the sporty look. can't tell the difference between $100 shoes and $500 shoes I hate the whole designer nonsense myself. However, there are plenty of men out in the world who go for flashy too. It's not a gender thing. don't know La Mer from Loreal, can't tell the difference between $3 makeup and $50 makeup you know by the look of it. If it runs easy and looks like crap after a couple of hours it's likely cheap makeup. No one wants to buy expensive makeup unless they are completely retarded but the cheap stuff sucks. Sure men go along because for the most part, men are so much easier to please than women. You go along with it? If it wasn't attracting men IT WOULD NOT SELL so you are idiots then who shot yourselves in the foot. Good job. Just don't be fat, and any woman is accepted by men. It depends on the man. There are plenty of men out there who will reject a woman if she's not pretty enough or young looking. This isn't exactly news to you I am sure. And if you think men control the marketing industry Don't look at NOW look at when this beast began to take root and yes, back then, they sure as hell did. The level that women will stoop in attempting to shift blame back on men somehow Kind of like how some (and I do mean just SOME) men think women should take responsibility for their own shortcomings but if a man can't get a woman, those same women are also somehow to blame for his ineptness in successfully acquiring a relationship. Nope, no male blame shifting done here. The way in which you can blatantly ignore obvious hypocrisy is staggering. Are women to blame for any of their faults and foibles? accountable in the least? or is there always some evil male puppet master in the wings? Are men? Or are the villainous harlots of the United States to blame for the dating issues men endure? I hate to break it to you but both sexes are vain, arrogant, illogical and petty creatures. Stop pretending it's just one side. Edited January 27, 2010 by theBrokenMuse
Author Jersey Shortie Posted January 27, 2010 Author Posted January 27, 2010 Women are able to get relationships with men easier than vice a versa. Women are able to get sex easier. Not relationships. Lets be real here. Women are the gate keepers of sex and men are the gate keepers or relationships. What does this have to do with dating? A man's choice in pornography is about as relevant as a woman's choice in soap operas and vampire/romance novels. Can you name me a single romance novel that doesn't have an extremely photo-shopped Fabio type of guy on the cover? You want to make a point about the media being to blame for women's perception of reality. My point is that men are no less immune to this unrealstic perception of reality. And infact, I find men to be the greater offenders in this regard since they are much more the industry leader in what they find acceptable of female beauty. And since we live in a heavy submerged porn culture, we have average joes whose perceptions of what a real woman is greatly skewd. There was a thread not too long ago about a woman being concerned about her breasts. She was all of 20 and *gasp* sagged. The comments from a healthy number of men was that at 20 she shouldn't sag. This shows an inordinate amount of understanding about real breasts and women's bodies. As for romance novels, women don't buy romance novels for the picture on the cover. Infact, I do not know one woman that is turned on by Fabio. But if you don't believe me, you are more then welcome to start a thread asking women if they are turned on by Fabio. Do you know any male strippers that are not extremely muscular with a gargantuan bulging penis? Do you know how many women visit male strippers over how many men visit female strippers? Do you know how many women are sincerely turned on by male strippers compared to how many men are turned on by female strippers? Do you know which type of strip club is more rampet? Certainly not strip clubs for women. That says alot right there. Personally I prefer more average looking women in my porno (it's called amateur) and find the perfect pin up women to be boring and bland. I will not get into a debate about porn with you. I will just say that there are plenty of men that support the pin up type of woman and support Playboy and Maxim as ideals in female beauty. I'd like for you however to name me a single male abercrombie and fitch model who is under 6 feet tall, bald, or not in amazing shape??? I'd like you to name me a single Victoria Secrets model that is comparable to the male side you described???
Author Jersey Shortie Posted January 27, 2010 Author Posted January 27, 2010 Rationalize however you like, men have relatively little to do with women's standards of beauty in U.S. culture. Most men prefer a natural, sporty look, can't tell the difference between $100 shoes and $500 shoes, don't know La Mer from Loreal, can't tell the difference between $3 makeup and $50 makeup, etc. Sure men go along because for the most part, men are so much easier to please than women. Just don't be fat, and any woman is accepted by men. Simple and true. BrokenMuse took the words out of my mouth, you are the one rationalizing. Am I saying women don't have their own hand in these mattes? No. But to completely ignore or disregard how men and their view on beauty do affect women is to take away anything relational and sexual between men and women. Women do the things that will attract men. I can go around wearing no makeup but I am darn sure that the girls that have it on will have a higher prospect of finding a mate then me. No one is saying that men care about $500 dollar shoes. However, men do care about bodies, hair, face features, age...ect ect ect. There was test done in a popular woman's magazine. They took one model and made her up on three levels of make up. Barely there make up, medium amount, and alot. They asked the men that were goign to judge the pictures what amount of make up they liked on a woman. The majority of them said they liked the natural look and didn't know why women put that stuff on their face. However, when it came down to picting the most attractive picture, most of the men picked the medium amout of make up. It's understandable. Men do not wear make up. They do not know what it entitles to apply it. Men sometimes do not have a concept of what women do to make themselves more beautiful. So they say "oh I like a natural beauty". What they don't know is it takes longer then they think to look "natural!" Women do the things that attract men. And if one woman is doing something that gets a positive response from men, other women will also do this because yes, they would like to find a man too. That is competition but lets not ignore the role men play here. And if you think men control the marketing industry, or that men (straight men anyway) control the fashion industry, or that men control the women's magazines industry, you are sadly mistaken. The level that women will stoop in attempting to shift blame back on men somehow for women's vanity would be funny if it weren't so obnoxious. Are women to blame for any of their faults and foibles? accountable in the least? or is there always some evil male puppet master in the wings? If men aren't accountable why should women be? I see a huge lack of accountabilty for even understanding most men's sexuality. Men ooww and ahh over Victoria Secret models, or the lastest actress in Maxim, then they expect women not to care about how they look! It amazes me. Men are allowed to be vain when it comest o women's looks but women aren't allowd to worry about their looks without being called vain. And yes, I think men do have a high level of control in the media. I also think women do too. But I think white men still maintain that control. Especially for medias geared to men. You don't see good looking healthy 40 year old women selling beer. You see young 20 year olds even with gross men half their age trying to flirt with them. Don't tell me men don't care about looks.
Jaytb Posted January 27, 2010 Posted January 27, 2010 There was a thread not too long ago about a woman being concerned about her breasts. She was all of 20 and *gasp* sagged. The comments from a healthy number of men was that at 20 she shouldn't sag. that's a load of sh*t and you know it. There were far more men who said sagging breasts don't bother them and there were ~3 posters who said otherwise.
Author Jersey Shortie Posted January 27, 2010 Author Posted January 27, 2010 Jay, yes, there were men who said they don't mind. I was shocked that there were any men that didn't understand how real breasts could be. I still think that there are men who have fallen pray to industry ideals.
ella23 Posted January 27, 2010 Posted January 27, 2010 (edited) that's a load of sh*t and you know it. There were far more men who said sagging breasts don't bother them and there were ~3 posters who said otherwise. I think what she means is that there were a significant number of men who said sagging was a turn off/ abnormal at 20, definitely more than 3. Edited January 27, 2010 by ella23
cognac Posted January 27, 2010 Posted January 27, 2010 Men are the gate keepers of relationships? :lmao: Is that why most divorces are initiated by women? Or why we get all the sad saps on this forum talking about the girl who didn't "Click" with them on a date? Get real. Women are the gate keepers of both sex and relationships. Now of course, that 1% elite of men that many women seek isn't going to commit, but the vast majority of men out there are desperate for any kind of female attention. You want to make a point about the media being to blame for women's perception of reality. My point is that men are no less immune to this unrealstic perception of reality. And infact, I find men to be the greater offenders in this regard since they are much more the industry leader in what they find acceptable of female beauty. And since we live in a heavy submerged porn culture, we have average joes whose perceptions of what a real woman is greatly skewd. There was a thread not too long ago about a woman being concerned about her breasts. She was all of 20 and *gasp* sagged. The comments from a healthy number of men was that at 20 she shouldn't sag. This shows an inordinate amount of understanding about real breasts and women's bodies. [/Quote] Most men are easier to please than women. Most guys who watch porn have also been with real life women, and know there is a difference. Trust me, the majority of men do not date porn stars. The reason men consume pornography more than women is because as I got you to admit, women are the gatekeepers of sex. I can bet that between choice to jerk off to a porno and have sexual intercourse with a real life woman, most men choose the real life woman every single time. In fact, some guys are so desperate that good looking guys will at the drop of a dime sleep with an unattractive woman, especially after a few drinks. As for romance novels, women don't buy romance novels for the picture on the cover. Infact, I do not know one woman that is turned on by Fabio. But if you don't believe me, you are more then welcome to start a thread asking women if they are turned on by Fabio.[/Quote] Women don't buy romance novels for the picture on the cover and the literary description of the man on the cover !? :lmao: Do you really expect me to believe that? If that's true, then why do these companies spend a lot of money paying models when they can just get any dude from the street to be on the cover in a pirate outfit. And what of soap operas? Or lifetime movies? How many soap opera stars are not super muscular and tower over the women on the show? Do you know how many women visit male strippers over how many men visit female strippers? Do you know how many women are sincerely turned on by male strippers compared to how many men are turned on by female strippers? Do you know which type of strip club is more rampet? Certainly not strip clubs for women. That says alot right there. [/Quote] Again, this isn't because women are better than men. This is because a woman can receive male physical attention whenever she feels like it, and many times, from whoever she feels like it (within reason). Men on the other hand if they are not very tall or rich have to rely on luck and strike out often, so when this happens they get their need for female attention from the strip club. I will not get into a debate about porn with you. I will just say that there are plenty of men that support the pin up type of woman and support Playboy and Maxim as ideals in female beauty. [/Quote] Maxim usually is popular because they put celebrities in scantily clad clothes. And honestly, I don't know anyone who buys playboys these days. The whole thing about playboy is that it is scantily clad and naked women talking about sex , which some dumb men think is cool, but it doesn't really spill into reality. Very few men are dating celebrities or playboy models. I'd like you to name me a single Victoria Secrets model that is comparable to the male side you described??? [/Quote] What is your point? Outside of some adolescents who slap their salami to Victoria Secret catalogs once a month, Victoria Secrets catalog is aimed at a female demographic.
meerkat stew Posted January 27, 2010 Posted January 27, 2010 Jay, yes, there were men who said they don't mind. I was shocked that there were any men that didn't understand how real breasts could be. I still think that there are men who have fallen pray to industry ideals. I quit reading that silly, obviously attention/sympathy fishing thread long ago, but what stuck out there for me was that suggestions offered to OP to address the problem through diet and exercise were characterized as insensitive, and only the replies castigating men or her exes were given any credence. That is what's telling.
meerkat stew Posted January 27, 2010 Posted January 27, 2010 No, you rationalize however YOU like, as you have been. Was being polite, what you and JS are engaging in is not rationalizing, but bald faced lying. You both know good and well that women are to blame for 80% of their body and beauty issues, competing with other women, vanity, what have you, and "looking good for men" is responsible for maybe 20%. You either know this or you are idiots who live under rocks, and I prefer to give you the benefit of the doubt. 90% of the dollars spent by women in the pursuit of beauty are spent on clothing, shoes, hair and nail coloring, and accessories, things most men give not one sh*t about. Think I'm wrong? How many shoes, handbags and nail treatments are featured in this year's Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Issue? How many Playboy articles have been dedicated to "her hot french wrap nails?" How much porno showcases expensive shoes? None. The last 10% is spent on diet aids and basic cosmetics, and the only reason the diet aid market exists is because most women aren't willing to do even the bare modicum of work necessary in the gym to stay in shape. I watch them come in, do maybe 5 sets of three different exercises in 45 minutes, chat with GFs and leave. This is the 80%. The 20% of quality women in the gym works on their bodies because they want to be healthy and look good for themselves, not for men, not for anyone else. Because it is a self-actualized goal, not external. That women are motivated in their vanity and beauty efforts primarily by efforts to impress men who expect it is one of the biggest horse-puckey lies that feminized culture seeks to feed us. It would be convenient if men were to blame for womens' inability to conquer their impulses and keep to a basic fitness plan, really convenient. It would be convenient if all the superficial men out there were driving women to spend the billions they spend on clothes, shoes, accessories and makeup. As with so many convenient lies though, it carries no, or almost no truth. Last time I checked you weren't made the official spokesperson for men. I have known more than a few men that outright hate the sporty look. Fair enough, I will only speak for myself and 90% of the 2500 or so straight men I know personally going forward. But speaking for men is unnecessary. All one has to do, as stated previously, is open up the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Issue, buy a Playboy or look at porn. Most printed sexual stimulation that men buy contains NAKED women or scantily clad. The name of the videos is Girls Gone Wild, not "Chanel Girls Gone Wild," not "Nordstrom Girls Gone Wild," and certainly not "Girls Gone Wild at the Nail Salon." Again, 90% of the money women spend "to look good for men," is due to their own vanity and competition with women rather than any male expectations. The whole fashion industry, the whole "luxury" cosmetics industry, the whole women's shoe industry, the whole hair and nailcare industry could DISAPPEAR overnight and most men would care less. We don't stick our penises in a handbag, we stick them into vaginas, normally by that point attached to a NAKED woman who may or may not be wearing makeup. As long as you can buy a cheap french maid outfit and some dayglo panties at K-mart, most men, even upper crust men, will be happy. Kind of like how some (and I do mean just SOME) men think women should take responsibility for their own shortcomings but if a man can't get a woman, those same women are also somehow to blame for his ineptness in successfully acquiring a relationship. No, those women aren't to blame for his ineptness, but they are to blame for perpetuating an accountability free daddy's princess mentality that keeps 80% of women chasing 10% of men and freely sharing those men like hens share a rooster right up to the point where they feel their attractiveness fading and settle for a man who is actually and always has been their equal as far as being a catch goes who has sperm and a bank account, and then make his life a living hell thereafter for not being as good as the top 10% (or better yet, keep waiting for that top 10% guy to enter the picture while they bide time with a man, equal to them in every way, whom they think is a chump because "I deserve better, daddy tells me so!") I hate to break it to you but both sexes are vain, arrogant, illogical and petty creatures. Stop pretending it's just one side. And the grand illusion rears it head yet again. Any time a man asks women to accept even part of the blame for the problems between genders, presto change-o! in bizarro fem speak, he is actually "pretending it's all one side." Just hilarious actually. Go buy a logic textbook, you desperately need one.
TheBigQuestion Posted January 28, 2010 Posted January 28, 2010 This is one of the few times I may be inclined to agree with meerkat stew. I dated a very normal and typical girl for about 3 years, and pretty much every issue she had with her body (despite being pretty close to a perfect 10) had nothing to do with what I or any other man had ever said to her. The people tearing her down were her mother and (passive aggressively) her friends. Most men don't care all that much about how a woman dresses, and most men, while not necessarily being into a "natural" look, are nonetheless NOT into women who use tons of makeup. Men are certainly very visual creatures, but believe it or not, they don't care too much about what you're wearing or how well done your hair is. A girl can follow any type of clothing trend or style and regardless of this, a guy will still easily say "that girl is hot/not hot/average" and so forth. The way I've always seen it, what a girl is wearing doesn't matter all that much if the ultimate goal is to have whatever she's wearing crumpled up in a pile on the floor next to the bed.
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