This Thread Is For All You Average 5'6 and less men.

January 19, 2010

I have no problems with preferences at all,i just cant stand women who complain that there are no good men yet wouldnt give a guy a chance because of a shoe..

What women say and do are usually inconsistent. Sorry but it's true

One reason for this is because women usually make decisions by talking it out while men make them thinking it out. So you'll come across women saying things because they're in a process of making a decision. In this process they may say things that do not reflect their final actions and differ from their original intentions.

The point is, don't take to heart everything they say

January 19, 2010

I would just like to share two of my more recent dating experiences. I went out with two different men these past two months. One was all of 5'5 and the other was 5'6 AND heavy (over-weight..whatever you want to call it) and both of them ended up rejecting me. The 5'5 guy I was attracted to. The 5'6 guy I decided to give a chance becaues he was fun to talk to and is a talented muscian. I am in no way ugly and have infact dated men 6+. I work out regularly, I am quite charming, and do not pester men with questions about their baby making abilities. I am not super hot..I am pretty cute though. I get cat-called on the street sometimes.

So I am sick and tired of seeing the average guys here complain how the super hot chick doesn't want him. Boohoo. Sometimes the average 5'6" or less guy doesn't want the girl either. Which is fine. Because I am not broken hearted over these guys. But I liked them both enough to at least want to date them longer and get to know them. Neither was interested in me for the same. I am just sharing this to point out the fact that 5'5" guys reject too. And that they are not just rejected. Both of those guys would have been lucky to be with me. And I don't say that arrogantly at all.

Lucky to have you? You seem to hate men with a vengence, it comes out in almost every thread you post in. Maybe they picked up on that.

They might not have many choices, but maybe they didn't want to be with someone that would make them feel unhappy.

January 19, 2010

this thread fails big time (especially cognac's posts).

Height is a plus but it isn't a be all end all in dating.

There are cases of being too tall and too short.

Average is usually enough to attract the opposite sex.

Again and again, if we were to look at things superficially (the physical) its not height, a muscular physique, big hands, big feet, cheekbones etc etc, that attract the opposite sex. Its about the sum value of all these things that make someone attractive (meaning someone can be tall, big hands, cheekbones etc etc and still be ugly or vice versa).

January 19, 2010

I saw a 5'7-5'8 guy this morning on the metro with his girlfriend. So there is some hope for shorter g uys, but I kept imagining that he must be a huge ********* to compensate for his height

January 19, 2010

Who are you talking to Oh Moe? And why is having this converstation shallow?

My point was why would you date someone who is short just to break it off because they are short ? Don't make much sense to me.

January 19, 2010

My point was why would you date someone who is short just to break it off because they are short ? Don't make much sense to me.

I really have no clue what you are saying considering I am the one that was rejected in both the cases. Which is something I think quite a few men in this thread are choosing to ignore in the face of their overwhelming concern for themselves and their height.

The problem is most women will shut you out before getting to know all of that about you if you don't meet their physical requirements.

Boohoo, do you *know* how many men shut women out before getting to know them based on their physical requirements? I can quarentee you that women are judged more harshly on their looks then men. I mean, look at how many men complain about the 6 foot tall guy gets the really hot chicks. If all you are looking at are the super hot chicks then you are no better then the women that reject you for your height.

Absolutely. I know for sure that outside of my height and maybe lack of car, I am the perfect man.

I know for certain, that's not true. No one is perfect. And if you think you need to stop improving yourself and the only two things that are wrong with you are things like a car and height, you are only fooling yourself.

I know what women want (outside of the physical) and respond to, I embody all of it times 1000. I've gotten 1 or 2 women here and there to sleep with me because of it, but my dating pool is still really tiny and it's really disheartening.

I love how here we have another male on this thread complaining and bemoaning his struggles when the thread was about a woman being rejected by average guys.

I know for a fact that if I was 6 feet tall I would be able to have any woman I want.

And if I looked like Megan Fox I would have any man I wanted. Should we feel sorry for you or something?

Did any of you once stop to think abotu the dating struggles women go through? No. Because you clearly don't care. How do I know? The response of this thread to me about my dating struggles. And this is why you will always have issues with women. Your personal lack of caring and compassion for them. Not one of you came on this thread asking me questions about me or my dating experience. You came on this thread bemoaning yuor height and other failures. Says alot Gentlemen.

January 20, 2010

Woah temple you're razor sharp this morning. Where do you get your material from? Or did you read it in cosmo?

I'll make sure to come up with some schoolyard fat jokes or better yet, ethnic jokes, next time women are talking about themselves. Hopefully everyone will be a good sport (especially women) and we can all laugh together.

Will you join me Temple? I don't even need to know your weight race religion or sexual preference, I've got a thousand jokes about women which my friends think are hilarious, that I'm itching to tell. I'm sure you would never report me for such a thing, right?

There's really no need to go the extra mile just for me, cognac, I laugh at all your posts anyway

January 21, 2010

Looks like no one has anything else to say after my set down huh.

January 21, 2010

Jersey shortie, female dating "struggles" are a joke. Most female dating struggles aren't that you broads can't find love, it's that you're never content with whatever you have. For a woman to get guys to like them, she just had to be present at some kind of social situation. Everywhere I go, women, even ugly women, have guys swarming them left and right, whether it's at the bar, or at school, or even at my favorite restaurant.

For men on the other hand, it's impossible. It's common for men to be single months and months or years and years, while women get a new boyfriend every five minutes. The fairy tales abou the guys who "rejected you" in my opinion have a lot more to them than what you're telling us

There's really no need to go the extra mile just for me, cognac, I laugh at all your posts anyway

Newsflash temple: you're not funny , cool, or smarter than me. You may have "it" at the moment, alongside katie parry but you are still a flat, one dimensional human (?).

January 21, 2010

Didn't see this topic til this morning.

I also agree the whiny "women suck" topics are a waste of energy and I'm tired of them as well. I give credit to women like Jersey Shortie and others who break those stereotypes that all women want tall, hot, wealthy, and exciting men.

I think women more want some guy who doesn't look like a slob, isn't insecure, can hold a conversation, and knows how to treat a woman without smothering her or neglecting her.

I feel for the guys who have trouble in dating, but as alphamale pointed out in another topic, rejection is a learning tool, and I think too many men and women do not learn from it, but instead hide in the "woe is me" logic and blame it all on the opposite sex.

I don't blame my past anymore on women. I used to, but now when I look at myself from age 17-34, I saw how much time and energy I wasted on the wrong women. How many women I pursued that I should have never bothered with. How I could have done more in my life if I had not put so much thought into dating and love. How I probably would not have had problems in the past if I learned to walk away from the headcases.

I blame me...and I think many others need to blame themselves before blaming the opposite sex. We all want to believe we're the "good people" everyone should be wanting to date, but in reality while we see ourselves as ideal, we're NOT seeing what others see. Maybe I look a little chubby, or have gray hairs, or dress very plain, or come off as insecure, or came on too strong, or maybe I'm just not what's setting the girl's emotions on fire enough to garner her wanting to date me.

Maybe I'm seeing a picture of her that isn't real. Maybe she's an immature spoiled entitled princess and I'm hoping to find a cool down-to-Earth girlfriend in her. Made that mistake in the past and I believe many men do this now.

In the end, the thing I get irked at is when men decide to lump all women into one grouping. I don't care if it's the douchebags calling them all whores or the guys who aren't getting any calling them all shallow selfish snobs. You look out there and there are plenty of women who perhaps would date the guy who can't get a date...if this guy would change up his approach, his appearance, and his attitude.

It sucks that it took me til my mid-30s to learn that. It's why I hope in some ways I can show a few of you younger guys what to change, rather than have you get older and older and more bitter.

January 22, 2010

Jersey shortie, female dating "struggles" are a joke. Most female dating struggles aren't that you broads can't find love, it's that you're never content with whatever you have. For a woman to get guys to like them, she just had to be present at some kind of social situation. Everywhere I go, women, even ugly women, have guys swarming them left and right, whether it's at the bar, or at school, or even at my favorite restaurant.

For men on the other hand, it's impossible. It's common for men to be single months and months or years and years, while women get a new boyfriend every five minutes. The fairy tales abou the guys who "rejected you" in my opinion have a lot more to them than what you're telling us

Well then I must be a hidious monster so below the bar of what men want because I certainly don't and never had men swarming around me left and right as soon as my face saw the light of day.

And I find it so completely ignorant that you tell me dating struggles for women are a joke when I CLEARLY brought up a case where I was the one rejected.

Women everyday have dating struggles. Just like men. Maybe if you tried to view us as human beings first, you'd be able to take off your blinders and see it. But you do not want to see. You do not want to embrace the fact that women have their own personal struggles in dating, both because of their personal issues and wrong choices and because of the men they date.

And by the way, the last time I had a boyfriend was over a year ago now. But I guess hidious monsters like me should expect that.

January 22, 2010

I've had four men tell me I am lying or that it's me.

Now you know how every single man who ever posts a dating issue feels.

January 22, 2010

Recently, Jamie Cullum got married to Sophie Dahl! She's like 6 ft and he's 5ft 5. And you know what I love about it? Sophie isn't afraid to go out in front of the media, she doesn't care what her family or friends think and hell she even wears heels!

OK, I get tired of the short man angst here too, but please, for godssakes, enough of the "hey this short multi-millionaire celebrity with millions of adoring fans married a tall woman and lo and behold, she's not embarrassed at all to be seen in public with him!" Enough already.

January 22, 2010

I would say this is very insightful and spot on and most women would take a man that had confident social skills and rocked in the bedroom then one that was mearly tall.

Most women will settle for $$ once their beauty starts to fade after sleeping with every tall, hot yokel they can get their hands on for 20 years.

January 22, 2010

It's very clear that in the real world taller men get more women and it comes down to how we're naturally programmed. The man stands for the authoritatian figure while the woman the supportive. You would feel a little strange if you had to look down at your parents and ask for permission for something when you were younger. You wouldn't want to respect their demands as much.

Utterly made up. It's all about the heels. The fixation with height in men may have been there to a degree in the past, but it was only in the 20th century, when heels became so pervasive, that this became the issue it is today.

Face it, the average American woman (the fat of the bell curve, maybe not YOU) wants a tall man to go with her heels, nothing more, nothing less. It's pure unadulterated -vanity-, not even a true preference.

Will bet $1000 e dollars that in countries where heels are not as prevalent in women's attire, height preferences of women are equally de-emphasized. Anyone care to take that bet?

It's all about vanity, and in that is just as disgusting as men who seek arm candy for looks alone. I wish women would just admit this so we could move on. Vanity, vanity, vanity, not even preference.

January 22, 2010

Now you know how every single man who ever posts a dating issue feels.

And really. That's what it comes down to. That's all that truly matters to you. All that you care about, and really, many of the men that posted in this tread as well, is how the men feel and their personal experiences. Why give any thought to women right?

That is and always will be you an the other guys downfall. You don't really care about women. You care about *you*. You took my thread and the most prolific thing you could say "now you see how men feel"...not "hey JS, sorry to hear about those experiences. ....not, wow, I guess women do have their own issues.."..just" now you know how *men* feel. The common theme is that the male experience is more worth while to you then the female.

Most women will settle for $$ once their beauty starts to fade after sleeping with every tall, hot yokel they can get their hands on for 20 years.

Yeah, and men don't do this at all because all men want to settle down as soon as their legal! Never mind that for GENERATIONS, men have always put off settling down well into their older years. But hey again, all that matters to you is men. Again, you choose to focus your post on men. On a post where a woman came here talking about her own struggles.

January 22, 2010

I was dumped (eventually...18 months later) by a short man (he was 5'3 and a half, though lied on all dating sites saying 5'5" lol) who ending up rejecting me because I wasn't Jewish. Where does that put me? LOL. Sorry, just had to throw it out there.

When i met afforementioned guy, I wasn't sure if i'd be attracted to him either because i tend to like them taller than me (I'm 5' 4" barefoot) but I gave him a shot because we had a great connection. To this day, he was by far the closest physical and emotional and mental match for me. While I can't compare others to him, I always know that what I had with him is a possibility, and i keep that in mind for the future.

It matters little how tall you are in stature, as long as you're tall in personality and respect. Just my opinion. As for JS's experience, well, it just proves that rejection occurs at all levels. Doesn't matter how hot you are or how tall or short, you're bound to suffer rejection. Nobody ever said life would be easy.

January 22, 2010

All that you care about, and really, many of the men that posted in this tread as well, is how the men feel and their personal experiences. Why give any thought to women right?

I'm not the one who made a "haha told ya so" thread about a singular instance of two short men rejecting a woman. You couldn't possibly expect that a) your experience demonstrates anything at all helpful or proves anything at all to the men who suffer from this stigma, or b) that the thread would become anything other than a flamey rehash of all the height threads.

But yes, whenever a man complains about a dating issue with women, it necessarily means he only cares about men and not at all about women. How dare anyone post anything that doesn't concern women or their issues, what was I thinking?

That is and always will be you an the other guys downfall. You don't really care about women. You care about *you*. You took my thread and the most prolific thing you could say "now you see how men feel"...not "hey JS, sorry to hear about those experiences. ....not, wow, I guess women do have their own issues.."..just" now you know how *men* feel. The common theme is that the male experience is more worth while to you then the female.

I didn't title the thread, "THIS THREAD IS FOR ALL YOU AVERAGE 5'6" AND LESS MEN." YOU DID. Don't even pretend that you created this thread as an appeal for sympathy or to ask for personal advice.

Never mind that for GENERATIONS, men have always put off settling down well into their older years.

Agreed. And more so today even, want to know why? It's because the quasi socialist leftist feminized federal empire eats up 60%+ of our income in taxes that are redistributed to those who don't work. It's hard to settle down and start a family living paycheck to paycheck on 100k per year that gets cut down by taxes into 40k, as many 20 and 30 somethings are finding out today.

On a post where a woman came here talking about her own struggles.

Reread your own thread title sweetie, you wrote it, not me.

Edited January 22, 2010 by meerkat stew

January 23, 2010

Exactly Aria. The human condition is that all people get their heart broken or go through dating issues. Not just short men. To ignore that is to ignore that most of the population is human.

Oh Meerkat, I so do love an inappropiate "sweety" tossed in so that the giver of the "sweety" can falsely feel superior and the receiver can roll her eyes.

Yes, I am COMPLETELY aware what the title of my thread is. But many guys came in here and told me that I was lying, that it was probably my fault anyway, or began to complain about all their dating ills. This thread wasn't made so a bunch of guys could keep on complaining on yet another thread where there are pleny of short guy threads to complain in else where.I just find it really intersting that not one of you, not one, said "hey js, that sucks, I guess sometimes women do get dumped too". Many of you told me I was lying, that it was my fault or wanted to turn the thread into another moan fest about how much it sucks being short. Instead of learning to discuss another topic possibly, or dicuss the same situational topic in a different manner. I know right! Gosh.

As for your comment about it being a "haha told you so thread", this continues to show your belitting and ignorant perception of the thread. As if I am trying to point my finger and laught at shorter guys? Get a grip.

Perhaps if you thought of women as people first, and not of yourself first, you'd have more sucess.

January 23, 2010

This thread wasn't made so a bunch of guys could keep on complaining on yet another thread where there are pleny of short guy threads to complain in else where.

No, the thread was made as a fairly obvious goad at the men who have complained about the height requirement issue here in other threads. Don't even pretend otherwise, you made the thread to put it in the face of those men. We aren't stupid. As such, you should expect it to turn out exactly how it did.

I just find it really intersting that not one of you, not one, said "hey js, that sucks, I guess sometimes women do get dumped too". Many of you told me I was lying, that it was my fault or wanted to turn the thread into another moan fest about how much it sucks being short.

Try asking for advice or even sympathy rather than poking a stick in people's eyes if you want to be taken sincerely and responded to as such. Feel free to look at my posts today in other threads and you will find those posts contain lots of sincere advice and sympathy for other posters, both female and male. Wonder why I respond sincerely to them and not to the thread titled "This thread is for all you average 5'6" and less men?"

You may as well have entitled it "I got rejected by two short guys, so all your issues and experiences with women's height preference are marginal and invalid." What reaction did you expect to a non sequitur like that?

As for your comment about it being a "haha told you so thread", this continues to show your belitting and ignorant perception of the thread. As if I am trying to point my finger and laught at shorter guys? Get a grip.

No you aren't laughing at shorter guys, merely trying to devalue their experiences and complaints posted here with some personal experience of yours that you would like to use to make a point, but in fact is a non sequitur.

January 24, 2010

Wtf are you talking about? Very short? Someone isn't clinically short unless they're under 5'4, they're not "very short" unless they're even less than that. I don't know where the hell you live, you say you rarely see any guys 5'7 and under? 15% of men are shorter than 5'7, so i'd assume something like 25% of men are 5'7 and under. I have no idea how you could miss all those. 5'7 is a very normal height, so there's nothing unusual about it and it's not rare at all. You probably just ignore them

Avergae height is 5'10, that mean that 50% of men are that height or taller..

5'7 is well below average height.

January 24, 2010

No, no it's not. It's definitiely not "well" below it. I really have no idea why you think 3it is "well below", especially considering how height is distributed.

Also, 5'10 is pretty much just for american WHITE men. If you include all other races it's closer to 5'9 and a bit

5'10 is average for most white and black men yes

Id say the average Hispanic man and Asian man is around 5'7

January 24, 2010

Actually, I think the average height for American white men is 5'8. I could be wrong but I believe that's that's what I've read.

No, the thread was made as a fairly obvious goad at the men who have complained about the height requirement issue here in other threads. Don't even pretend otherwise, you made the thread to put it in the face of those men. We aren't stupid. As such, you should expect it to turn out exactly how it did

No you aren't laughing at shorter guys, merely trying to devalue their experiences and complaints posted here with some personal experience of yours that you would like to use to make a point, but in fact is a non sequitur.

What in the world are you talking about? I'm trying to goad men because I posted about two recent dating experiences where I was the one rejected? I am putting it in their face? I am trying to devalue them by going out with shorter guys and being the rejected one? This doesn't make a lick of sense.

January 24, 2010

Actually, I think the average height for American white men is 5'8.

Average U.S male height (age20+): 5'9.5"

Average U.S male height (white): 5'10.5"

Average U.S male height (black): 5'10"

Average U.S male height (mexican-Americans): 5'7"

The countries with the shortest average-height men are Indonesian (5'2") and India (5'3.5").

Lots of stats here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_height

Edited January 24, 2010 by randall

January 24, 2010

Okay thanks randall.

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