DiscoChick Posted January 28, 2010 Posted January 28, 2010 what a girl is wearing doesn't matter all that much if the ultimate goal is to have whatever she's wearing crumpled up in a pile on the floor next to the bed. This is ultimate truth. I've been told this by more than a dozen male guys, most of which have taken a hike. The only time a guy cares about what a woman wears is if it is IMPORTANT [i.e., a public function or office party]. As long as she doesn't dress like a slut while she is in public [while in a relationship with him].
betamanlet Posted January 28, 2010 Posted January 28, 2010 I've actually only heard that women dress up, and do all the fashion/style stuff to compete with other women, and not for male attention. I've heard this from women when i was the one who thought it was for male attention. They pretty much routinely will say it's for competiting with other women. So much if not all the issues women face are completely self imposed, fused with unrealistic expectations.
theBrokenMuse Posted January 28, 2010 Posted January 28, 2010 That women are motivated in their vanity and beauty efforts primarily by efforts to impress men who expect it is one of the biggest horse-puckey lies that feminized culture seeks to feed us. If you can't even acknowledge that the foundation, the core in which women have been conditioned to be and want to be attractive is one in which the goal is to attract (which started way before there was such a thing as feminism or the United States) then there's no point in continuing any discussion as I don't see any point in arguing with someone who thumbs their nose at science and evolutionary psychology because conspiracies better meld with their pet beliefs. And the grand illusion rears it head yet again. Any time a man asks women to accept even part of the blame for the problems between genders, presto change-o! in bizarro fem speak, he is actually "pretending it's all one side." Just hilarious actually. Go buy a logic textbook, you desperately need one. I never hear you talk about how messed up human nature is or men are, only women whereas I have frequently bitched about the behavior of both. So your sloppy little attempts to label me with a certain action with that broad brush you love so much ultimately fails too, much like your argument.
DiscoChick Posted January 28, 2010 Posted January 28, 2010 I've actually only heard that women dress up, and do all the fashion/style stuff to compete with other women, and not for male attention. I've heard this from women when i was the one who thought it was for male attention. They pretty much routinely will say it's for competiting with other women. So much if not all the issues women face are completely self imposed, fused with unrealistic expectations. People are weird... When I buy clothes, I buy them because I like them. I don't wear makeup, but I do wear lip gloss and chapstick. And when I buy fingernail polish, I buy it because I like the color. I don't really care about what other women are wearing, unless it's my mom. I dress for myself, not other men or women.
theBrokenMuse Posted January 28, 2010 Posted January 28, 2010 I've actually only heard that women dress up, and do all the fashion/style stuff to compete with other women, and not for male attention. I've heard this from women when i was the one who thought it was for male attention. They pretty much routinely will say it's for competiting with other women. So much if not all the issues women face are completely self imposed, fused with unrealistic expectations. Women do compete with other women as attractiveness is one of the most valued aspects of a woman in western societies. Many women's identities and self-worth get placed on their attractiveness but it doesn't change that that the subconscious reason behind the competition is that physical beauty holds a high value because of it's function throughout the ages.
meerkat stew Posted January 28, 2010 Posted January 28, 2010 If you can't even acknowledge that the foundation, the core in which women have been conditioned to be and want to be attractive is one in which the goal is to attract (which started way before there was such a thing as feminism or the United States) If women actually cared or were motivated by what really "attracts" men, they would walk around naked and barefoot half the time and wear cheerleader, french maid and catholic school girl outfits the other half. I don't see many women dressing that way, so must assume that what motivates women to dress and appear as they do has little or nothing to do with what attracts men.
betamanlet Posted January 28, 2010 Posted January 28, 2010 If women actually cared or were motivated by what really "attracts" men, they would walk around naked and barefoot half the time and wear cheerleader, french maid and catholic school girl outfits the other half. I don't see many women dressing that way, so must assume that what motivates women to dress and appear as they do has little or nothing to do with what attracts men. But but, I thought men were attracted to high priced, designer handbags, like Prada stuff.... I just know for a fact, women spend all that money on handbags, made in slave labor factories in Asia, to attract me, since I spend so much of my time thinking about handbags, and like all men, have a fetish for handbags.
betamanlet Posted January 28, 2010 Posted January 28, 2010 Don't forget jewlery. Women want huge rocks on their engagement rings, to show off, to other women.. Men don't care about rings, on women.. Very few men wear any jewlery at all. All it is is just materialism. Thinik about Diamonds, they are only expensive because people try to keep diamonds off the market. If the price would go down, and diamonds were more affordable, they would lose their appeal to women, as you cannot brag and show off then. They can make diamonds in labs, de beers keeps diamonds off the market to keep prices high, anfd they believe there are iceberg sized diamonds on neptune and uranus. do men wear diamonds?
theBrokenMuse Posted January 28, 2010 Posted January 28, 2010 But but, I thought men were attracted to high priced, designer handbags, like Prada stuff.... I just know for a fact, women spend all that money on handbags, made in slave labor factories in Asia, to attract me, since I spend so much of my time thinking about handbags, and like all men, have a fetish for handbags. *facepalm* Seriously? You guys do understand there is a different between underlying causality and scratching the surface right? The clothes stuff is a smoke screen and a tangent. Liking fancy clothes is the female equivalent of a man with a bunch of expensive toys that he bought that are collecting dust because they were state of the art. If you want to talk about clothing style and fashion trends and how that relates to female beauty is one thing, discussing some people's overwhelming need to impress others with material possessions is a completely different conversation.
theBrokenMuse Posted January 28, 2010 Posted January 28, 2010 If women actually cared or were motivated by what really "attracts" men, they would walk around naked and barefoot half the time and wear cheerleader, french maid and catholic school girl outfits the other half. I don't see many women dressing that way, so must assume that what motivates women to dress and appear as they do has little or nothing to do with what attracts men. It's never a good idea to go around assuming things if you actually care about what's factual or true.
meerkat stew Posted January 28, 2010 Posted January 28, 2010 It's never a good idea to go around assuming things if you actually care about what's factual or true. Sorry, caught that after it was too late to edit. Please replace the word "assume" with the word "conclude."
meerkat stew Posted January 28, 2010 Posted January 28, 2010 The clothes stuff is a smoke screen and a tangent. Liking fancy clothes is the female equivalent of a man with a bunch of expensive toys that he bought that are collecting dust because they were state of the art. And men don't blame their accumulation of toys on women's standards in the same way that women blame their slavery to fashion and luxury on men's supposed standards. There's the difference, in black and white. Only a buffoon of a man will claim that his desire to buy toys is something he is forced into by some standard that women impose on him. He may have a goal of getting women, but the choice to work hard and make enough money to buy the toy is his and his alone to own. If women didn't try to rationalize their massive expenditures on clothes, shoes, cosmetics, hair and nail care, and accessories all on some beauty standards of men, and rather just own it in the same way a man can say "I just want a boat and a fancy car... piss off" no one would get bent out of shape. With certain women, though, every unpleasant appearing aspect of their lives that has some chance of making them look vain or superficial is shovelled away fluidly as blame on someone else. This is a wrongheaded attitude and women who hold that attitude won't ever be truly men's equal until they can move past it. At least the men who blame their dating problems on height have real evidence and experience of women's preferences to justify their claims. Women who claim that everything they do in the beauty and fashion area is for men got nothing, nada for evidence of that. In fact, the evidence points in the -opposite- direction. Or wait, maybe a woman who is a 6 in looks with low income and a bland personality does need to go all out to catch/trick the 9-10 looking wealthy, accomplished man they all think they deserve, and avoid all the men who are statistically their equals, is this how the code-speak translates? If so, it does makes some sense, but opens up another can of worms. We are all responsible for our own actions, our own tastes, appearance, consumption level, vices and virtues, etc. etc. In the vast majority of cases, we don't do things we don't want to do because some external factor victimizes us into behavior. We choose our behaviors and mistakes in life. It's only been since the 60s that this external nebulous victimization model became vogue and our whole society is worse off because of it. If you want to claim to be a victim of some men's attitudes, or a victim of anything else actually, you had better be able to quantify it statistically in dollars and cents, or direct harmful experience, or you are just blowing hot air.
ella23 Posted January 28, 2010 Posted January 28, 2010 (edited) I quit reading that silly, obviously attention/sympathy fishing thread long ago, but what stuck out there for me was that suggestions offered to OP to address the problem through diet and exercise were characterized as insensitive, and only the replies castigating men or her exes were given any credence. That is what's telling. I wasn't attention seeking or fishing for sympathy, though I realise it came across as that at times. You don't have to be rude. (I have tried diet and exercise for a long time btw and it didn't work. ) Edited January 28, 2010 by ella23
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