Dating Karma coming back to bite you in the Ass

[paddington bear]

Well, the only crumb of comfort I can give you, is that this person may be what is classified as a "Hungry Ghost".... Picture a short, squat being, with a highly swollen belly, and a long and very thin narrow neck, and a huge mouth....

These "Hungry Ghosts are voracious... for self-satisfaction, success, self-aggrandisement and egotistic nourishment.... they just can't get enough of it, and grab great mouthfuls of ego-boosting stuff.... but they will, indeed, never get enough. They're never satisfied, they're constantly seeking to appease their own 'hunger for fame' and gain wonderful things they feel will validate them.... which eventually pass, expire and turn into crap.... and so they want more, and more, and more.....but their long, thin necks can't take it in fast enough, and their empty bellies are left craving more.....

And this is how they suffer. They generate what they believe is happiness for themselves, but in fact, it's a false happiness....

They seem happy.

They'll say they're happy.

But they're not.

 

 

 

Ah.

Now.

If you ascribe to Karma, as I have explained it, then you must be watchful of your thoughts, because such thoughts - that rejoice in the misfortune of others - are not conducive to generating positive Karma, but will infact perpetuate and create negative karma.

 

Of course, if you DON'T ascribe to karma as I have explained it - then, forget it.

Carry on.....!

 

A hungry ghost...well, we shall see. Agreed with the watching of your own thoughts, but then again, I think some nasty people don't watch their thoughts or indeed actions and suffer no consequences, so why should I watch mine? (this on my more bitter days). But then we don't live in a world with rewards for good behaviour and consequences for bad (in terms of karma in the misunderstood sense)

 

Have you watched:

 

if his experiments are valid and if humans are made up of mostly water, you can see the effects those negative thoughts have..

[boogieboy]

Was reading another thread and the notion of karma came up.

 

Anyone truly believe this, or have evidence of this in relation to dating?

 

Unfortunately, from what I've seen those who deserve what's coming to them just carry on as normal with no reprecussions from karma, or God, or whatever higher source you might care to believe in - in fact many of them are often rewarded further for bad behaviour towards others.

 

I love the concept of karma (particularly when I feel hard done by!!!) but life doesn't work that way - or does it? Anyone any examples of karma in action?

 

Karma is only for people who dont know what theyre doing wrong, and think that a force is getting them back for past shyt.

 

Anyone who learns from their mistakes doesnt get bit in the ass.

[TaraMaiden]

Paddington bear, You may think they don't suffer, but not all suffering is visible, neither is it always in the form of comeuppance.

People do suffer Karmic results - but it's not always obvious.

I mean, you don't see them 24/7, and their mental states can be in a greater state of turmoil and discontent than you think.

 

Karma may not be judgemental or punitive - but it's workings are far more complex than "what goes round comes around"....

[TaraMaiden]

Karma is only for people who dont know what theyre doing wrong, and think that a force is getting them back for past shyt.

 

Anyone who learns from their mistakes doesnt get bit in the ass.

 

Hmmmmm..... Again, if we're talking from a pure standpoint of how this thread originally began, and what was intended.....that may be so.

 

But - yet again - if we're talking form the standpoint of understanding the true logistics of Karma, as propounded by Spiritual practises - that's not quite correct.

We can learn from our mistakes.

We can even show remorse and ask forgiveness.

We can even go further and endeavour to make amends and put things right.

The reason we're living in Samsara, is because we have karmic consequences to work through and exhaust....And some of that karma might have been generated in another lifetime.

 

Are we talking rebirth here?

Yes.

 

Is this bordering too much on the Spiritual?

Probably.

 

In this thread?

Definitely.

[Johnny M]

Was reading another thread and the notion of karma came up.

 

Anyone truly believe this, or have evidence of this in relation to dating?

 

Unfortunately, from what I've seen those who deserve what's coming to them just carry on as normal with no reprecussions from karma, or God, or whatever higher source you might care to believe in - in fact many of them are often rewarded further for bad behaviour towards others.

 

I love the concept of karma (particularly when I feel hard done by!!!) but life doesn't work that way - or does it? Anyone any examples of karma in action?

Are you saying that you seriously believe on Karma?? What about Santa Klaus and the Easter Bunny?

[paddington bear]

Are you seriously saying that you don't believe in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny???

 

Nah, just wondering if anyone had any evidence of what goes around comes around in action...and I'm guessing, 'not in general', is the answer.

[Johnny M]

I don't mean to be rude, but those of you who actually believe in such concepts as 'karma' and 'what goes around comes around' are total imbeciles.

 

All you need to do in order to realize that there is no such thing as karma is look at the most successful people in the world - politicians, dictators, the business elite. Most of those guys are immoral, manipulative, corrupt and sometimes downright evil. Sure, every now and then one of them suffers a fall from grace (i.e. Richard Nixon, Ken Lay, Bernie Madoff). But most of them don't. Stalin and Pol Pot were some of the most evil men who have ever lived, yet both of them died of old age. And I'm sure we can all think of good-hearted, upstanding citizens who have had terrible, tragic things happen to them or their families.

[TaraMaiden]

First of all, you're calling us imbeciles, so yes, you're being rude.

And honestly? I don't think it's called for.

 

tell me, if the Dalai lama was here talking to you, would you call him an imbecile?

I'd like to think not.....

 

Secondly, as I have already explained, Karma is far more complex than "What goes round comes around" and actually isn't really accurately, that at all.

 

There is no denying that karma, and the workings of Karma, are imponderable. But work - they do.

Now, you may not believe that - and that's fine. That's your prerogative.

but don't go calling people who ascribe to karma, imbeciles.

 

That's rude, it's unnecessary - and it will accrue you bad karma.

 

(I'm just being humorous there......)

[Johnny M]

tell me, if the Dalai lama was here talking to you, would you call him an imbecile?

No, I wouldn't call Dalai Lama an imbecile because he isn't one. Like all successful religious leaders, he is a master manipulator (which requires a high degree of intelligence). I am quite confident that Dalai Lama himself does not believe in karma.

 

Secondly, as I have already explained, Karma is far more complex than "What goes round comes around" and actually isn't really accurately, that at all.

Yes, the concept of karma is more complex than that. But most people in the West think of karma as an equivalent of the 'what goes around, comes around' principle (hence, the title of this thread).

[paddington bear]

don't go calling people who ascribe to karma, imbeciles.

 

That's rude, it's unnecessary - and it will accrue you bad karma.

 

(I'm just being humorous there......)

 

haaahaaaaaaaaaa

[TaraMaiden]

No, I wouldn't call Dalai Lama an imbecile because he isn't one. Like all successful religious leaders, he is a master manipulator (which requires a high degree of intelligence). I am quite confident that Dalai Lama himself does not believe in karma.

:laugh: :laugh:

 

I'm sure you're right, dear.....

 

From His Holiness the Dalai Lama's book Path to Bliss:

"Some people misunderstand the concept of karma. They take the Buddha's doctrine of the law of causality to mean that all is predetermined, that there is nothing that the individual can do. This is a total misunderstanding. The very term karma or action is a term of active force, which indicates that future events are within your own hands. Since action is a phenomenon that is committed by a person, a living being, it is within your own hands whether or not you engage in action."

 

"Countless rebirths lie ahead, both good and bad. The effects of karma (actions) are inevitable, and in previous lifetimes we have accumulated negative karma which will inevitably have its fruition in this or future lives. Just as someone witnessed by police in a criminal act will eventually be caught and punished, so we too must face the consequences of faulty actions we have committed in the past, there is no way to be at ease; those actions are irreversible; we must eventually undergo their effects."

His Holiness the Dalai Lama, from 'Kindness, Clarity and Insight'

 

 

Yes, the concept of karma is more complex than that. But most people in the West think of karma as an equivalent of the 'what goes around, comes around' principle (hence, the title of this thread).

 

Quite...

Which is why I have taken pains to point out that while I understand the origin of this thread was purely from a western misconception of what Karma is, I put it forward that there was an alternative interpretation, and outlined it.

But that's fine.

I'm merely passing information on.

I could tell you a park bench has just been painted, and that the paint is wet, but more often than not, you'd still touch it to test it for yourself....

[Johnny M]

Wow, Tara Maiden....you've got me convinced with your book quotes. After all, if one says or writes something, it must mean that he actually believes it. How could I forget how things work in the real world

 

I must say I have newfound respect for guys like Pat Robertson and Barack Obama. There's no way they could possibly be disingenuous...

[meerkat stew]

I must say I have newfound respect for guys like Pat Robertson and Barack Obama. There's no way they could possibly be disingenuous...

 

The difference between those types and the Dalai Lama is that had Tibet not been annexed by China, he would be hanging out in Lhasa practicing his beliefs without any care for receiving anything, money, publicity, anything, from the outside world. His only motive in publicity is raising consciousness about the evil done to Tibet and his people by the communists. In essence, he doesn't want in your wallet or in your soul like the charlatans do. He's not selling any snake oil. He's not selling anything at all.

[Johnny M]

The difference between those types and the Dalai Lama is that had Tibet not been annexed by China, he would be hanging out in Lhasa practicing his beliefs without any care for receiving anything, money, publicity, anything, from the outside world. His only motive in publicity is raising consciousness about the evil done to Tibet and his people by the communists. In essence, he doesn't want in your wallet or in your soul like the charlatans do. He's not selling any snake oil. He's not selling anything at all.

So you are trying to tell me that buddhist religious leaders are not hypocritical, two-faced liars like all the others? Catholic popes and cardinals live the lives of luxury and splendor in their opulent palaces while preaching modesty and humility to their subjects; evangelical ministers instruct church goers to lead virtuous lives and while they go around having gay sex and doing drugs; muslim imams insist that theirs is a religion of peace while they send young people to blow themselves up....but the buddhists just want to be left alone, right?

[TaraMaiden]

Wow, Tara Maiden....you've got me convinced with your book quotes. After all, if one says or writes something, it must mean that he actually believes it. How could I forget how things work in the real world

 

Yes, I figured you'd come out with something like that. Quite predictable, really....

 

Tell you what - I'll do you a deal:

I've posted something to support the premise that he DOES believe in karma.

Now, as I've said, you're at liberty to believe whatever you want.

That's fine. I really don't give a damn what you believe, because it doesn't affect me - or him, for that matter - one little bit.....

 

But - given that you seem convinced of the fact that the Dalai Lama doesn't really believe in Karma - I'd like you to find me two pieces of writing by him, that support your claim.

 

How's that?

I think that's fair....

And don't come out with something as puerile as "Do you really think he'd write something like that down, publish it for general broadcasting, and betray himself?" because I suppose that would beg the question.... "Then what do you base your conviction on?"

So put your money where your mouth is.

Then, I'll be happy to call us even-stevens....

 

meerkat, I will go so far as to say that HH the Dalai Lama has even pointed out that had it not been for this Invasion, Tibetan Buddhism would have remained obscure and unknown, and might even have slowly and inexorably disappeared. The Invasion of Tibet by China actually served to bring Tibetan Buddhism out of Tibet and into the wider world, therefore bringing it into the 20th/21st century, and actually making it far more accessible to new followers and practitioners of Buddhism.

Deplorable, inhuman and outrageous as the Invasion was, it also had, perversely, a 'good' result.

If you see what I mean.

Thanks for your post.

[You'reasian]

Was reading another thread and the notion of karma came up.

 

Anyone truly believe this, or have evidence of this in relation to dating?

 

Unfortunately, from what I've seen those who deserve what's coming to them just carry on as normal with no reprecussions from karma, or God, or whatever higher source you might care to believe in - in fact many of them are often rewarded further for bad behaviour towards others.

 

I love the concept of karma (particularly when I feel hard done by!!!) but life doesn't work that way - or does it? Anyone any examples of karma in action?

 

I don't date that much, because most people who are daters aren't always in the relationship mindset. ONS is not dating though...

[Johnny M]

But - given that you seem convinced of the fact that the Dalai Lama doesn't really believe in Karma - I'd like you to find me two pieces of writing by him, that support your claim.

 

How's that?

I think that's fair....

And don't come out with something as puerile as "Do you really think he'd write something like that down, publish it for general broadcasting, and betray himself?" because I suppose that would beg the question.... "Then what do you base your conviction on?"

So put your money where your mouth is.

Then, I'll be happy to call us even-stevens....

Thanks for saving me the time by answering your own question. The Dalai Lama will never admit that he doesn't believe in the superstitious buddhist mumbo-jumbo for much the same reason the Pope will never admit to being a homosexual. Isn't it obvious?

[TaraMaiden]

So you are trying to tell me that buddhist religious leaders are not hypocritical, two-faced liars like all the others? Catholic popes and cardinals live the lives of luxury and splendor in their opulent palaces while preaching modesty and humility to their subjects; evangelical ministers instruct church goers to lead virtuous lives and while they go around having gay sex and doing drugs; muslim imams insist that theirs is a religion of peace while they send young people to blow themselves up....but the buddhists just want to be left alone, right?

 

And this just goes to show how very little you know.

You're probably thinking of one single tradition of Buddhism - the Tibetan School - but you blithely ignore Zen, Pure Land and the other major more ancient and traditional Theravada.

There is no opulence, there is no pomp splendour and over-indulgence.

in fact, Buddhist monks aren't permitted to handle or negotiate money.

I actually thought for a moment there, you were going to argue from a base of logic, reason and research, with at least a little information at your fingertips.

But you've sadly proven me wrong.

Your comments are both ignorant in the deepest sense of the word, and frankly, risible.

You have a laughable and pathetic grasp of matters, and you patently know nothing of any depth, preferring to create ideas and make things up as you go along.

 

Sad, really.

It would have been interesting to engage in some form of intelligent debate.

Now I see it's not in the remotest bit possible, with you.

[TaraMaiden]

Thanks for saving me the time by answering your own question. The Dalai Lama will never admit that he doesn't believe in the superstitious buddhist mumbo-jumbo for much the same reason the Pope will never admit to being a homosexual. Isn't it obvious?

 

neatly side-stepping the question of 'how the hell do you know, then?'

 

Thanks for saving me the time by answering your own question.

"I make it up as I go along to get a reaction out of people, because I'm a troll....."

 

Shoulda guessed it....!

 

I have much better things to do with my time.

Like - sleep¬!

Night night sweetie!

 

Keep yabbering!

Edited January 27, 2010 by TaraMaiden

[Johnny M]

And this just goes to show how very little you know.

You're probably thinking of one single tradition of Buddhism - the Tibetan School - but you blithely ignore Zen, Pure Land and the other major more ancient and traditional Theravada.

There is no opulence, there is no pomp splendour and over-indulgence.

in fact, Buddhist monks aren't permitted to handle or negotiate money.

I actually thought for a moment there, you were going to argue from a base of logic, reason and research, with at least a little information at your fingertips.

What the hell are you talking about? Where did I say anything about buddhist monks living in pomp splendor? I was talking about catholic popes and cardinals. Go back and re-read what I said - and this time around, try to think before hitting the keyboard. You obviously don't understand the point that I was making.

 

By the way, what's with the weird formatting? Is that how buddhists write?

[Johnny M]

neatly side-stepping the question of 'how the hell do you know, then?'

All religious leaders are hypocrites and liars by definition. That's their job. The object of any organized religion ultimately boils down to exercising control over the believers, which is done either by promising miraculous things (eternal bliss in paradise, reincarnation as a king, etc.) or threatening with terrible punishments (eternal damnation, reincarnation as a worm...) Lying and hypocrisy are therefore essential parts of every religion.

[knaveman]

Thanks for saving me the time by answering your own question.

"I make it up as I go along to get a reaction out of people, because I'm a troll....."

 

 

I got that impression from many of his posts too. This thread only confirms it.

[meerkat stew]

So you are trying to tell me that buddhist religious leaders are not hypocritical, two-faced liars like all the others?

 

If anyone on the planet has good reason to be bitter and angry about life, it's that guy, yet he's not bitter and angry at all, the opposite.

 

People who got exterminated and expelled from their country right in front of our faces, you just have to give them a pass in the "sincerity" department.

 

If he is a con man, he's a damn fine one!

[paddington bear]

All religious leaders are hypocrites and liars by definition. That's their job. The object of any organized religion ultimately boils down to exercising control over the believers, which is done either by promising miraculous things (eternal bliss in paradise, reincarnation as a king, etc.) or threatening with terrible punishments (eternal damnation, reincarnation as a worm...) Lying and hypocrisy are therefore essential parts of every religion.

 

I don't think all religious leaders are hypocrites and liars, I think some probably really believe in what they are preaching. However, I do agree that organised religions are very much an all-powerful leader with the book of rules and a bunch of sheep following that book of rules, even if some of those rules are detrimental.

 

There are good and bad points to all religions. Obviously most were formed on simple tenets and then more and more rules were added until they become incredibly complex. I was raised Catholic (now lapsed) and I try to live my life by: do unto others as you would have them do unto you, and love thy neighbour. That's all it boils down to really. I don't need all the million other rituals and talk of heaven and the devil nor do I need someone else telling me that I'm not allowed use contraception or that having an abortion makes me evil. Individual, personal situations such as those are often too complex for one religion to have standard answers that suit everyone.

 

What I think is funny though is that positive thinking, and various other pop psychology principles are not that dissimilar from a lot of the stuff preached in various religions - if you are nicer to others you will have a good aura about you, you will feel better if you do kind deeds for others, forgive others otherwise bitterness will eat you up and so on.

 

Does this mean that if you are a good person that only good things will happen to you? I think not, I think all that it means is that when the bad stuff happens that you should be able to cope with it better due to your attitude.

 

In terms of dating I guess it means getting to the stage of saying 'well I've been the best person I can be, I've been kind, but I've still been screwed over' and not (as I do) waste months of my precious mental energy wishing that whoever did me over will rightly get their cummupance, and instead just carry on without bitterness - because that's better for me.

[randall]

Karma is a nice idea but has no meaningful purpose.

 

Definition of Karma: 'In the Hindu, Buddhist, and Jain religions, a person's action (bad or good) that determines his or her destiny.'

 

Karma is simply the idea that everything we do has a consequence and we can't escape that. It never says anything about bad actions will result in bad consequences, or vice-versa. That's just a romanticized view that people wish was how the world worked.

 

Karma doesn't suggest that a girl who teases guys and plays with them will get what's coming to her. It just says that her actions will determine her destiny...in this case it's likely the girl will end up with the man of her dreams because she has become a master manipulator of other people. Her next life...well if Karma is true then her next life might not be so blessed.

Edited January 28, 2010 by randall