silic0ntoad Posted January 11, 2010 Posted January 11, 2010 While I think it's okay for homosexuals to marry, a lot of those things you've brought up are actually NOT okay in our society, silicon. While you state that, and many others would agree, let's be honest here. Most of the time, no one does or says anything about it. We as a society tolerate it. It's OK in that aspect. Think about it. This new age hippie bullsh*t about multiple dating, multiple partners, open marriages, open relationships; It's not complexity. It's degredation. It's social rust at its' best. And it's not only tolerated, alot of times, it's encouraged "to find out who they are and what they want." I didn't mean to hijack the thread. I just think it's ironic that Beta posts something that posits and adds credence to me theory above, and still, it is held in dsiregard. On the point of homosexuality, marriage by definition is the union of man and woman. Create a new term for it, whatever. It's not the same. I don't have anything against homosexuals being together or whatever. Be with whoever you want, that's cool with me. As far as the rest of it goes, sure, you say it isn't ok in modern society... But when is it ever addressed as wrong? Never. Compliance is just as wrong as the action itself, my friend.
donnamaybe Posted January 11, 2010 Posted January 11, 2010 While you state that, and many others would agree, let's be honest here. Most of the time, no one does or says anything about it. We as a society tolerate it. It's OK in that aspect. Think about it. This new age hippie bullsh*t about multiple dating, multiple partners, open marriages, open relationships; It's not complexity. It's degredation. It's social rust at its' best. And it's not only tolerated, alot of times, it's encouraged "to find out who they are and what they want." I didn't mean to hijack the thread. I just think it's ironic that Beta posts something that posits and adds credence to me theory above, and still, it is held in dsiregard. On the point of homosexuality, marriage by definition is the union of man and woman. Create a new term for it, whatever. It's not the same. I don't have anything against homosexuals being together or whatever. Be with whoever you want, that's cool with me. As far as the rest of it goes, sure, you say it isn't ok in modern society... But when is it ever addressed as wrong? Never. Compliance is just as wrong as the action itself, my friend. What do you expect? That "the villagers" tar and feather the moral offenders? As for beta's claims, do you REALLY think most women pursue murderers?
Vertex Posted January 11, 2010 Posted January 11, 2010 While you state that, and many others would agree, let's be honest here. Most of the time, no one does or says anything about it. We as a society tolerate it. It's OK in that aspect. Think about it. This new age hippie bullsh*t about multiple dating, multiple partners, open marriages, open relationships; It's not complexity. It's degredation. It's social rust at its' best. And it's not only tolerated, alot of times, it's encouraged "to find out who they are and what they want." I didn't mean to hijack the thread. I just think it's ironic that Beta posts something that posits and adds credence to me theory above, and still, it is held in dsiregard. On the point of homosexuality, marriage by definition is the union of man and woman. Create a new term for it, whatever. It's not the same. I don't have anything against homosexuals being together or whatever. Be with whoever you want, that's cool with me. As far as the rest of it goes, sure, you say it isn't ok in modern society... But when is it ever addressed as wrong? Never. Compliance is just as wrong as the action itself, my friend. I won't get into the points on homosexual marriage/union since this isn't the thread for it, but regarding everything else: People do get punished for breaking rules. If you break the law, you do experience consequence. If you make poor lifestyle choices, you end up with a lower-quality life. In many ways, these forces are indeed deterministic. That being said, something being "wrong" doesn't mean that people won't do it -- but this either means that the consequences either aren't harmful enough to be deemed "wrong" or that the definition of "wrong" was biased to begin with.
silic0ntoad Posted January 11, 2010 Posted January 11, 2010 What do you expect? That "the villagers" tar and feather the moral offenders? As for beta's claims, do you REALLY think most women pursue murderers? Hah, not tar and feather is far from it. I was thinking more along the lines of firing squad. But then again, I simply don't have a say in everyone's lives, although I can say I try to positively influence all of those around me from those types of activities. And no, most, are not. I don't agree on that point. Beta's claims are extremist in nature, and simply imply that he is looking at the worst scenario as best. I on the other hand am not an axe murderer or thief, or a ceo, and I still have no problem getting dates. I've been told I am a good looking dude, but I am also very approachable. Hell, I got a number off of a girl at the pub the other night that was so hot I thought I'd never have a chance. She even bought MY drink for crying out loud. As for the others, I've been seeing someone for a while and would like to point out, as she said, she thought I was good looking, but now that she knows my personality she thinks I am irresistable. So, I don't have those issues. Others do, but I chalk it up to nagative energy. When you feel/look/act negative or jaded, even if you put up a facade to try and cover it, something will still feel wrong about you.
Author betamanlet Posted January 11, 2010 Author Posted January 11, 2010 What do you expect? That "the villagers" tar and feather the moral offenders? As for beta's claims, do you REALLY think most women pursue murderers? I never said most women pursue murderers, but more women want murderers than they want beta males. The vast vast majority will openly admit they want badboys. Betas are not badboys.
silic0ntoad Posted January 11, 2010 Posted January 11, 2010 I won't get into the points on homosexual marriage/union since this isn't the thread for it, but regarding everything else: People do get punished for breaking rules. If you break the law, you do experience consequence. If you make poor lifestyle choices, you end up with a lower-quality life. In many ways, these forces are indeed deterministic. That being said, something being "wrong" doesn't mean that people won't do it -- but this either means that the consequences either aren't harmful enough to be deemed "wrong" or that the definition of "wrong" was biased to begin with. I disagree. Morality knows no bias, and open relationships/marriage in particular are amoral. Let's assume you have a married couple and another pair of single people, both of which are sleeping with the man or woman in the married couple. While this fufills a need for the married couple (Sex out of wedlock) what does it fufill for the single people? If they want random sex, that's fine, but a marriage/committed relationship inherently can't be open simply on the premis that sleeping around shows no true want for committment. Either way, both parties are acting vainly, by fufilling a need for themselves without regard to others. And if someone catches feelings, it gets even worse. In the aspect of obesity and whatnot, my problem is tolerance. 50% of the population is obese. What's bneing done about it? Fast food contributes, surely. So does overeating. IDK, to me, fast food restaraunts are simply another way for people to be gulttonous. Shut them down. That's just me though. In the aspect of multiple partners, this is also a vice centralized on the one person seeing multiple people. Not only are you being crude, but you are also being selfish by potentially harming others in your self proclaimed discovery process. I call shenanigans. How, pray tell, can that be biased? I am confused, as your logic seems circular to me.
Vertex Posted January 11, 2010 Posted January 11, 2010 I disagree. Morality knows no bias, and open relationships/marriage in particular are amoral. Let's assume you have a married couple and another pair of single people, both of which are sleeping with the man or woman in the married couple. While this fufills a need for the married couple (Sex out of wedlock) what does it fufill for the single people? If they want random sex, that's fine, but a marriage/committed relationship inherently can't be open simply on the premis that sleeping around shows no true want for committment. Either way, both parties are acting vainly, by fufilling a need for themselves without regard to others. And if someone catches feelings, it gets even worse. In the aspect of obesity and whatnot, my problem is tolerance. 50% of the population is obese. What's bneing done about it? Fast food contributes, surely. So does overeating. IDK, to me, fast food restaraunts are simply another way for people to be gulttonous. Shut them down. That's just me though. In the aspect of multiple partners, this is also a vice centralized on the one person seeing multiple people. Not only are you being crude, but you are also being selfish by potentially harming others in your self proclaimed discovery process. I call shenanigans. How, pray tell, can that be biased? I am confused, as your logic seems circular to me. What? How can you say morality knows no bias when it is defined explicitly by bias? Morality is in no way unbiased. I wouldn't disagree with your example of committed relationships, but I would point out that if all people involved are AFTER that kind of relationship, then it's a good fit for them. Is it immoral? By your standards, perhaps so. But to them, not so much. Different system of morality. If people are in a relationship, but are on different pages regarding morality or any other important metric, then clearly that's a problem. But it's not always the case. Fast food, on the other hand, is obviously unhealthy and nobody would debate this. Many fast food joints try to introduce healthy alternatives, but honestly, if I wanted a salad, I wouldn't go to McDonalds to get it, haha. Obesity is the result of a poor lifestyle choice. You are in control of what you put into your own body and how you dictate your weekly activities. In what way is the logic circular? There's no self-reference going on.
theBrokenMuse Posted January 11, 2010 Posted January 11, 2010 Morality knows no bias Subjective morality is ALL bias and I am not quite sure if objective morality even could realistically exist.
donnamaybe Posted January 11, 2010 Posted January 11, 2010 Beta's claims are extremist in nature, and simply imply that he is looking at the worst scenario as best. I on the other hand am not an axe murderer or thief, or a ceo, and I still have no problem getting dates. I've been told I am a good looking dude, but I am also very approachable. Hell, I got a number off of a girl at the pub the other night that was so hot I thought I'd never have a chance. She even bought MY drink for crying out loud. As for the others, I've been seeing someone for a while and would like to point out, as she said, she thought I was good looking, but now that she knows my personality she thinks I am irresistable. So, I don't have those issues. Others do, but I chalk it up to nagative energy. When you feel/look/act negative or jaded, even if you put up a facade to try and cover it, something will still feel wrong about you. And so do I. Beta will NEVER get that. As for these women who like the so-called "bad boys," they are not women; they are girls. BIG difference.
carhill Posted January 11, 2010 Posted January 11, 2010 Police charged him last week after being called to his girlfriend's house, where she said she had been hit across the face with a metal folding chair and was bitten on her right forearm. Nice. I'll bet, if she had the 10% for the bond, she'd bail him out. BTW, there are plenty of CEO's who have been or are in jail and do quite well with the ladies. Successful men never let the law interfere with their success. It's just an inconvenient machine they have to inject money and/or favors into occasionally. Welcome to the modern world
Author betamanlet Posted January 11, 2010 Author Posted January 11, 2010 Nice. I'll bet, if she had the 10% for the bond, she'd bail him out. BTW, there are plenty of CEO's who have been or are in jail and do quite well with the ladies. Successful men never let the law interfere with their success. It's just an inconvenient machine they have to inject money and/or favors into occasionally. Welcome to the modern world How are beta males made? Think about any other species, the males fight, and the winner mates with the female. So in all other animals, they like the thugs as well. So what happened with humans that made betamales completely removing us from the genepool?
Vertex Posted January 11, 2010 Posted January 11, 2010 How are beta males made? Think about any other species, the males fight, and the winner mates with the female. So in all other animals, they like the thugs as well. So what happened with humans that made betamales completely removing us from the genepool? Because we've established a society that isn't so animalistically simple. We have intelligence. You're focusing way too much on a non-representative sample.
carhill Posted January 11, 2010 Posted January 11, 2010 So what happened with humans that made betamales completely removing us from the genepool? Here's a good question to ask yourself. Who is my father? Who were/are my male role models? Personally, I think some of it is nature and some of it is nurture. My father appeared far more 'beta' than myself but, in his time, with the women of his generation, he married two and had three children. The women of his generation, including my mother, were far different, in many ways, including attraction style, than the women of our generation. So, in a way, for purposes of strict attraction and reproductive and marital success, my parents were poor role models. Other than that, and overwhelmingly, I was blessed. I now see it as a relatively minor issue. History won't care who found me attractive or if I squirted out a kid or three. I'll be sweepings on a crematory floor. Life in the here and now is what is important. If the ladies enjoy the company of others and want to reproduce with them, OK, great, then don't let me get in your way and don't attempt to use me as a tampon for your troubles. I've got things to do and a life to live. BTW, Goodwill's stuff is way overpriced
temple Posted January 11, 2010 Posted January 11, 2010 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/10/AR2010011002605.html Criminal history CHECK Robbed charities CHECK Abusive CHECK When is the last time you had a girlfriend? In all my time on this board, you've been the only one heroising these felons. Don't worry, I'm sure they'll respond to all your love letters really soon!
OpenGL Posted January 11, 2010 Posted January 11, 2010 It's your looks/height. It has nothing to do with your attitude.
donnamaybe Posted January 11, 2010 Posted January 11, 2010 It's your looks/height. It has nothing to do with your attitude. Um, okay. If a 6'4" male model of a man approached me like this big whine bag, I'd tell him to hike up his skirt, pick up his purse, and move along.
OpenGL Posted January 11, 2010 Posted January 11, 2010 Um, okay. If a 6'4" male model of a man approached me like this big whine bag, I'd tell him to hike up his skirt, pick up his purse, and move along. Unlikely as you would already be very attracted to him before he even opened up his mouth. Plus a 6'4 male model wouldn't be whining.
Vertex Posted January 11, 2010 Posted January 11, 2010 (edited) What's with the sudden influx of horrible-attitude, bitter men lately? Surely one would be logical enough to consider the self-fulfilling prophecies inherent in their own flawed logic, but if you'd like to naturally select yourself out, be my guest. Unlikely as you would already be very attracted to him before he even opened up his mouth. Plus a 6'4 male model wouldn't be whining. This is precisely the type of warped logic that makes it hard for people to understand where people are coming from when they say "attitude and personality matter." Looks do breed confidence, but looks alone aren't the be-all. I personally have a few male friends who are models and have horrible luck with women because of certain attributes. Seriously, if you've got an $80k/year job and working on a Masters, at least prove you're intelligent and deserving of the status your achievements imply by not conflating the logic of causality, correlation, means, and ends. Edited January 11, 2010 by Vertex
donnamaybe Posted January 11, 2010 Posted January 11, 2010 Unlikely as you would already be very attracted to him before he even opened up his mouth. Plus a 6'4 male model wouldn't be whining. Please don't claim to know me. I've met dazzling looking men who, upon opening their pie holes, began to look like pathetic losers. I've also met guys who weren't that impressive on first sight, but after getting to know them they became VERY attractive. But then again, I'm not some stupid air head.
OpenGL Posted January 11, 2010 Posted January 11, 2010 at least prove you're intelligent and deserving of the status your achievements imply by not conflating the logic of causality, correlation, means, and ends. http://www.loveshack.org/forums/t203485/
OpenGL Posted January 11, 2010 Posted January 11, 2010 Please don't claim to know me. I've met dazzling looking men who, upon opening their pie holes, began to look like pathetic losers. I've also met guys who weren't that impressive on first sight, but after getting to know them they became VERY attractive. But then again, I'm not some stupid air head. You may be the exception, but I'm sure most men on here can attest to this. In a social situation where you are trying to pick up women, 99.9% of the time if she rejects you, shes already done so before you have even gotten a chance to open up your mouth. If shes not attracted to you right away everything that comes out of your mouth from there-on goes through one ear and out the other.
OpenGL Posted January 11, 2010 Posted January 11, 2010 What's with the sudden influx of horrible-attitude, bitter men lately? Surely one would be logical enough to consider the self-fulfilling prophecies inherent in their own flawed logic, but if you'd like to naturally select yourself out, be my guest. This is precisely the type of warped logic that makes it hard for people to understand where people are coming from when they say "attitude and personality matter." Looks do breed confidence, but looks alone aren't the be-all. I personally have a few male friends who are models and have horrible luck with women because of certain attributes. Seriously, if you've got an $80k/year job and working on a Masters, at least prove you're intelligent and deserving of the status your achievements imply by not conflating the logic of causality, correlation, means, and ends. http://www.loveshack.org/forums/t203485/ Quoting to make sure Vertex sees this.
Author betamanlet Posted January 11, 2010 Author Posted January 11, 2010 Please don't claim to know me. I've met dazzling looking men who, upon opening their pie holes, began to look like pathetic losers. I've also met guys who weren't that impressive on first sight, but after getting to know them they became VERY attractive. But then again, I'm not some stupid air head. what make sa guy a pathetic loser?
donnamaybe Posted January 11, 2010 Posted January 11, 2010 what make sa guy a pathetic loser? In some cases it would be the hot looking guy who acts like he's so much better than everyone else because he looks good and knows it. Or maybe he thinks he can find a "sugar momma" with his good looks, thus doesn't have to do anything to pull his own weight financially. And no. I don't look for a man because he has money just so I don't have to work. I like working. It gives me choices. Or maybe he's got an idea that women are inferior to men because they don't have a penis. Or maybe he thinks that only HIS opinions could POSSIBLY be the right ones. Or maybe he has very little empathy and only cares about himself. The list is endless. It's impossible to list all the ways a guy would appear to be a pathetic loser in my mind.
donnamaybe Posted January 11, 2010 Posted January 11, 2010 You may be the exception, but I'm sure most men on here can attest to this. In a social situation where you are trying to pick up women, 99.9% of the time if she rejects you, shes already done so before you have even gotten a chance to open up your mouth. If shes not attracted to you right away everything that comes out of your mouth from there-on goes through one ear and out the other. Okay, I will have to say that ANY guy with horrible teeth (and I don't mean crooked - I mean with a layer of yellow stuff on 'em, or with crap between 'em, or otherwise obviously negelcted) is automatically on my "no" list. I LOVE kissing, and I can't kiss a mouth full of yuck!
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