b52s Posted January 5, 2010 Posted January 5, 2010 Now, I know I'm not perfect or anything, I grew up Catholic and consider myself Christian, however, I met this single lady lately of 2 children, pretty nice and low key, until I found out she does not celebrate Halloween and actually petitioned to have billboards removed that were advertising a Halloween event, apparently it said, "Bloody Mary" on it, and her kids kept asking her what it meant, so she said she actually has to cover her kids eyes on the road when driving to church. Now, I've met some extreme people however, this takes the cake, my church actually has no quams about that Holiday, even some Protestant chuches are okay with it....but what kind of religious "sect" doesn't celebrate Halloween?? Must be one of those obscure ones, must be the same group thinks Dungeons and Dragons are satanic.
ordinary_girl Posted January 5, 2010 Posted January 5, 2010 a lot of people in the world don't give a damn about Halloween, however if your friend thinks it's pagan then she is ignorant. I would imagine there must be other signs of her having such limited intellect?
JamesM Posted January 5, 2010 Posted January 5, 2010 As someone with children who does not "celebrate" Halloween, I can understand where she comes from. While I do not go to such extremes...and in fact will hand out candy at my door, contrary to public belief the basis of that day IS pagan and satanic. It may not be that today, but it was at its beginnings. But I don't think this is actually a discussion of whether it is okay to celebrate Halloween. The thing to discuss here is....this is a dealbreaker for you, and because it is, then I would not date this woman. You will probably find many more such "dealbreakers' the longer you get to know her. Dating is for the purpose of marriage (most of the time) and it is about discovering differences that may make people incompatible. If you find this belief of hers to be extreme, then you have found a reason that marriage won't be best for the two of you. It is time to move on IMO. Oh, BTW, I did play D&D when I was younger, but again, I know what is behind it better now, and personally I would persuade my boys to avoid playing it. They play many video games that are similar in nature, but playing D&D requires the payer to actually play the role of creatures that certainly do not follow Biblical principles.
JamesM Posted January 5, 2010 Posted January 5, 2010 a lot of people in the world don't give a damn about Halloween, however if your friend thinks it's pagan then she is ignorant. I would imagine there must be other signs of her having such limited intellect? I don't think she is ignorant. And it is certainly not a "sign of her having limited intellect." Read here from the History Channel...one of many sites that tell where this day originated... http://www.history.com/content/halloween/real-story-of-halloween Here is a wiki article.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halloween And I could go on an on.
Author b52s Posted January 5, 2010 Author Posted January 5, 2010 I don't think she is ignorant. And it is certainly not a "sign of her having limited intellect." Read here from the History Channel...one of many sites that tell where this day originated... http://www.history.com/content/halloween/real-story-of-halloween Here is a wiki article.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halloween And I could go on an on. Yeah there's actually certain Christian related stores that actually CLOSE their doors in the malls on Halloween, because kids come in where it's safer and the store clerks hand out candy to the kids when they walk along the halls. I don't play D & D much anymore, takes too friggin long. LOL By the way James, I have a link I'll PM you or just You Tube Search "Fear of Girls" you might get a kick out of it. lol But I didn't know there was a movement against it...I was suprised she showed up at a party that served alcohol. Kinda irked me, because last year was the year I put a lot of work into my costume. LOL
Vertex Posted January 5, 2010 Posted January 5, 2010 Would I date someone that didn't celebrate Halloween? Probably, if everything else was great. I sometimes don't celebrate it only because I have other things to do, but never for religious reasons (mainly because I am atheist). I celebrate holidays anyway when I can because they're fun. But if I were dating someone who was intensely religious, I would foresee a major incompatibility, which is a shame.
Author b52s Posted January 5, 2010 Author Posted January 5, 2010 Would I date someone that didn't celebrate Halloween? Probably, if everything else was great. I sometimes don't celebrate it only because I have other things to do, but never for religious reasons (mainly because I am atheist). I celebrate holidays anyway when I can because they're fun. But if I were dating someone who was intensely religious, I would foresee a major incompatibility, which is a shame. Yeah, if you're like "ho hum" about a holiday...it's no biggie to me, but if you don't celebrate because it's Satanic, and you will burn in hell if you do dress up and celebrate....then I see a problem. And I'm not even an atheist.
ordinary_girl Posted January 5, 2010 Posted January 5, 2010 I don't think she is ignorant. And it is certainly not a "sign of her having limited intellect." Read here from the History Channel...one of many sites that tell where this day originated... http://www.history.com/content/halloween/real-story-of-halloween Here is a wiki article.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halloween And I could go on an on. the Christian church absorbed it and linked it to 'All Hallows Eve' the passing of saints and martyrs. there is no pagan stigma attached to halloween I'm sorry but to me she comes across really narrow minded. this is what I mean by limited intellect. that's quite off-putting
Author b52s Posted January 5, 2010 Author Posted January 5, 2010 the Christian church absorbed it and linked it to 'All Hallows Eve' the passing of saints and martyrs. there is no pagan stigma attached to halloween I'm sorry but to me she comes across really narrow minded. this is what I mean by limited intellect. that's quite off-putting Right, Catholics celebrate it as "All Saints Day" (Celebrated the day after on Nov 1).
Angel1111 Posted January 5, 2010 Posted January 5, 2010 I don't think the real issue is not celebrating Halloween. I think the bigger issue is that she's radical and overly-protective of her kids. This spells trouble. There is one religion I know of that doesn't celebrate Halloween, or any other holidays for that matter - Jehovah's Witnesses. The only thing they observe is wedding anniversaries, and the opposite of Easter; what they call Memorial Day. No birthdays, no xmas, no Valentine's, etc. Unless you're really into that religion, trust me, you don't want to date anyone who is. Halloween doesn't mean much to me at all. I liked it when I was a kid, and I liked it when my son was young, but now I couldn't care less about it. I usually just ignore it. But this girl you're talking about is just a little over the top, if you ask me. I don't think she's as 'low key' as you might think she is.
JamesM Posted January 5, 2010 Posted January 5, 2010 the Christian church absorbed it and linked it to 'All Hallows Eve' the passing of saints and martyrs. there is no pagan stigma attached to halloween For me, there is a pagan stigma. After looking into the past, I cannot see how I can "celebrate" death and devils while still saying that I honor God. I drive past a house that every year places many tombstones, witches and other acts of "celebration" in the yard. This lady does up her house in many symbols of death. How can one not say that Halloween honors death and the devil? The Church did a number of things to attract pagans to their buildings that now many see as offensive to the basic beliefs of Christianity. I'm sorry but to me she comes across really narrow minded. this is what I mean by limited intellect. that's quite off-putting If holding a strong belief is "narrow minded," then I guess I can accept that label, too. I guess one could say it is narrow minded to not see how the past history of Halloween can still influence how one sees it today. IMO limited intellect is when someone holds to a belief without knowing why. When someone holds to a belief that is not considered acceptable, then while it may be "weird," it certainly does not mean that the person did not arrive at his or her conclusions intelligently. But again, in this thread, it comes down to this being a belief that is incompatible with the OP's own views on Halloween. How this lady acts around Halloween and its "celebrations" indicates a bit of paranoia IMO, but that is based only on what the OP typed. If my wife had done similar actions while we dated, then I may have had a different opinion of her than I do. It would not be her belief so much as how she acted on her belief.
Author b52s Posted January 5, 2010 Author Posted January 5, 2010 I really don't mean to disrespect those that are really opposed to these kinds of things, personally, I think they're possibly misinterpreting it and making something out of something that is not. I think they might be just a buzzkill. ..>No offense
JamesM Posted January 5, 2010 Posted January 5, 2010 I really don't mean to disrespect those that are really opposed to these kinds of things, personally, I think they're possibly misinterpreting it and making something out of something that is not. I think they might be just a buzzkill. ..>No offense No disrespect taken by me. And you may be right...it may be making something out of nothing. My personal feelings are not really strong, but it is how we have chosen to handle Halloween. We give the kids candy and hand out candy, but we do not go any farther than that. And since we live in an area that gets few trick or treaters (we had one group this past year), then it is really a non-issue. And yes, I agree...if you enjoy celebrating Halloween, then it would be an obstacle for you to have fun. It would be a dealbreaker for me if I were you, too. BTW, we don't do a Christmas tree or hang Christmas lights either. Seriously...but that will really get us off topic.
Author b52s Posted January 5, 2010 Author Posted January 5, 2010 The real hardcore fundamentalist counter Halloween Haunted houses with "Hell Houses" Basically, it's a walkthrough of an area of what will happen to you if you do bad things. like some dude in a costume poking with you with a pitch fork, theatrical demonstrations of the consequences of your sins, etc.
grogster Posted January 5, 2010 Posted January 5, 2010 This would be a deal-breaker for two reasons. First, I enjoy the "pagan" in myself and others. Halloween is my Christmas and Easter rolled into one. Plus, dressing-up and eating candy is fun. Next, for me, the "pagan" is metaphor. If I dated someone who took Hell, Satan, and the Black Arts literally, I would not be able to take the person seriously. My metaphor would be her Reality. Now that's scary.
Author b52s Posted January 5, 2010 Author Posted January 5, 2010 This would be a deal-breaker for two reasons. First, I enjoy the "pagan" in myself and others. Halloween is my Christmas and Easter rolled into one. Plus, dressing-up and eating candy is fun. Next, for me, the "pagan" is metaphor. If I dated someone who took Hell, Satan, and the Black Arts literally, I would not be able to take the person seriously. My metaphor would be her Reality. Now that's scary. Is Deadpool a pagan? ;-) Anyway, yeah, I like to do that stuff for 100% fun purposes, I could NEVER wrapp my mind around on "how are these satanic practices??" It made sense if you beleived in such things back in the middle ages...but to STILL believe this....well, not sure why in modern times. I used to see "fun" in playing D&D, I'm also into other "nerdy" games like "Munchkin" and Axis and Allies, etc....I think it's not about satanic practices, I think people are into these "genres" because it's intellectual and appears to "thinking" minds as opposed to, Charades ors omething.
Yukikazi Posted January 5, 2010 Posted January 5, 2010 Yea.. I agree.. most of the current "christian" holidays are just attempts by the church to overwrite the pagan celebrations of old.. i.e Jesus was NOT born on December 25th My born again xtian family members give me evil looks when I bring that up cause they can't argue against it But if the girl doesn't celebrate Halloween.. she can expect to be alone that night cause I sure as hell do
grogster Posted January 5, 2010 Posted January 5, 2010 Is Deadpool a pagan? ;-) Anyway, yeah, I like to do that stuff for 100% fun purposes, I could NEVER wrapp my mind around on "how are these satanic practices??" It made sense if you beleived in such things back in the middle ages...but to STILL believe this....well, not sure why in modern times. I used to see "fun" in playing D&D, I'm also into other "nerdy" games like "Munchkin" and Axis and Allies, etc....I think it's not about satanic practices, I think people are into these "genres" because it's intellectual and appears to "thinking" minds as opposed to, Charades ors omething. True. Hell for me is not "other people" but entertainment--whether video games, books, movies or music. Satan, in all his splendor, is marketable and often good for the bottom line. True evil is human: the Holocaust and Tuol Sleng (for example)-- not satan's demons, Halloween, ghouls, ghosties, pentagrams, 666, witches and all the other things that go bump in the night. And if a potential lover lacks the imagination to distinguish between human evil--rooted in history--and the manifold representations of supernatural evil in art from Milton's "Paradise Lost" to Quake/Doom, we won't get together. Trick or Treat, anyone?
threebyfate Posted January 5, 2010 Posted January 5, 2010 As someone who got married on Hallowe'en, yes, it would be a dealbreaker for me! As an atheist, it would bother me, since it's a little too much adherence to Christianity. Moderation is key.
cognac Posted January 5, 2010 Posted January 5, 2010 Worse than being pagan and satanic, Halloween is a stupid made up consumerist "holiday" meant to poison innocent children with fake food and candy made in laboratories. Like Valentine's, Halloween isn't a holiday, just an excuse to pressure you into making all the corporations more money than usual. You can even extend Christmas under this umbrella of crassness . If anything, not celebrating halloween is a positive. Besides, it's a holiday for kids. I doubt you're going to cut your wrists if you spend halloween alone.
O'Malley Posted January 5, 2010 Posted January 5, 2010 I don't think the real issue is not celebrating Halloween. I think the bigger issue is that she's radical and overly-protective of her kids. This spells trouble. Exactly. I'd be concerned that she's restricting her children from developing their own ideas and creativity, whether it's through holidays, or literature/music/art some groups consider occultic (whether it's Aleister Crowley or Harry Potter). Humor and open mindedness go a long way.
Yukikazi Posted January 5, 2010 Posted January 5, 2010 Worse than being pagan and satanic, Halloween is a stupid made up consumerist "holiday" meant to poison innocent children with fake food and candy made in laboratories. Like Valentine's, Halloween isn't a holiday, just an excuse to pressure you into making all the corporations more money than usual. You can even extend Christmas under this umbrella of crassness . If anything, not celebrating halloween is a positive. Besides, it's a holiday for kids. I doubt you're going to cut your wrists if you spend halloween alone. http://www.illwillpress.com/HALLOW22.html Best take on Halloween
Stung Posted January 6, 2010 Posted January 6, 2010 You all do know there is a huge difference between 'pagan' and 'Satanic,' right? Seems like many posters are using the two interchangeably when they are two entirely separate religions and belief systems. For myself, it would almost certainly be a romantic dealbreaker, yes, although I am friendly with a couple of woman who also boycott Halloween for religious reasons. I used to think of it as a case of fundamentalist whacko-ism, but meeting these women made me realize more temperate believers found issue with Halloween as well. Perhaps I can use James M. as my example. Over the past couple years I have read probably a couple hundred of James M.'s posts and come to know him somewhat. I have come to regard him as an intelligent, responsible family man who takes time to respond to others thoughtfully and in a kind manner. He has many traits I respect and I would very likely hold him in high regard if we knew each other in person, and I hope he would have a similarly benevolent opinion of me. Perhaps we would be friends, I'm pretty sure we would at least be friendly. But even if we both were single, we would likely be poor choices as mates for one another, as our core belief systems differ too widely in terms of politics and religion, IMO. At the end of the day, I like going home to my liberal atheist husband because we tend to look at the world in a similar light and are deeply compatible without having any constant struggle for philosophical dominance. In regards to Halloween specifically, I would have a problem with getting seriously involved with anyone opposed to it, as it held great magic and excitement for me as a child which I wish to share with my own children. Plus I just love Halloween and still celebrated it as an adult. Now that I do have my own kids the day's focus is more about them but my husband and I still dress up to take them out trick-or-treating.
D-Lish Posted January 6, 2010 Posted January 6, 2010 It's a red flag for sure! I wouldn't be concerned that she doesn't celebrate Halloween- I'd be disturbed how she deals with her children with regard to it. I am an Atheist and I still participate in exchanging gifts at x-mas and going to a family dinner for Easter.
Citizen Erased Posted January 6, 2010 Posted January 6, 2010 I don't celebrate Halloween...would any of you date me? :laugh:
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