PJKino Posted January 4, 2010 Posted January 4, 2010 It is but everything has a price, whether it be monetary or not. You won't have sex with the the ugly, hippie living out her dream of becoming one with nature by refusing to get a job and living on the street, would you? No you'd go with the girl you found attractive and who was independent. And she in turn would want something in return from you to have sex with you. Whether it be time, gifts, money, love, etc. you gotta pay a price. That's how life works. It's just one big market and we're all using barter in order to find the best deal. Im so glad im bad with women so i dont have to deal with the entitled princesses in this country who look at themselves as a lotto ticket they have to cash in before they expire..
aerogurl87 Posted January 4, 2010 Posted January 4, 2010 Nope. I got a house because I needed a place to live and I travel and have fun because I want to make the short amount of time allotted to me in this world as enjoyable as possible. Women and sex are part of the "fun", but they are just one (and certainly not the most important) aspect of life for a normal, well-adjusted man. Of course, there are some men out there for whom getting laid is the sole focus of their existence. It's usually the case with men who are having a hard time getting laid and therefore have to spend a great deal of energy, time and money to get something that comes naturally and easily to other men. These men are suffering from a psychological condition known as "sexual frustration". In the grand scheme of things Johnny, the point is even though you may have done these things for yourself, it still ups the attraction meter for women. I'm not saying that's your whole primary goal. But for the most part the bartering system known as life is very real and that's a fact. You barter your time for money to pay for the things you want in life. Relationships and sex involve barter too, although it may be a bit complicated at times, when you strip down life it all boils down to being one big bartering system.
aerogurl87 Posted January 4, 2010 Posted January 4, 2010 Im so glad im bad with women so i dont have to deal with the entitled princesses in this country who look at themselves as a lotto ticket they have to cash in before they expire.. How does an independent woman wanting an independent man make her an "entitled princess"? I don't understand that. If a woman can take care of herself then 9 times out of 10 she wants the same thing in a man. Most men feel the same way about women. They want an independent woman, so why can't an independent woman want an independent man without being labeled a gold digger?
Johnny M Posted January 4, 2010 Posted January 4, 2010 It is but everything has a price, whether it be monetary or not. You won't have sex with the the ugly, hippie living out her dream of becoming one with nature by refusing to get a job and living on the street, would you? No you'd go with the girl you found attractive and who was independent. And she in turn would want something in return from you to have sex with you. Whether it be time, gifts, money, love, etc. you gotta pay a price. That's how life works. It's just one big market and we're all using barter in order to find the best deal. Are you asexual? No, I'm serious. You seem to view sex as some kid of an unpleasant task - something that you would only force yourself into in exchange for monetary compensation (kind of like a job). You do realize that most women actually enjoy having sex?
PJKino Posted January 4, 2010 Posted January 4, 2010 How does an independent woman wanting an independent man make her an "entitled princess"? I don't understand that. If a woman can take care of herself then 9 times out of 10 she wants the same thing in a man. Most men feel the same way about women. They want an independent woman, so why can't an independent woman want an independent man without being labeled a gold digger? Im not tellign you to date a homeless guy or somebody with no ambition whos 35 and works at Mcdonlads what im saying is u cant control love unless your a sociopath only interested in money.. If you met a guy who was a blue collar worker but you clicked with him on a amazing level would you dump him becasue hes never gonna be able to give you a glamorous life??
Woggle Posted January 4, 2010 Posted January 4, 2010 How does an independent woman wanting an independent man make her an "entitled princess"? I don't understand that. If a woman can take care of herself then 9 times out of 10 she wants the same thing in a man. Most men feel the same way about women. They want an independent woman, so why can't an independent woman want an independent man without being labeled a gold digger? It is one thing to want an independent man but you seem to want a man to give you money and pay your bills. I am sorry but I not a woman's personal atm.
Author luvflower Posted January 4, 2010 Author Posted January 4, 2010 That is a boundary that YOU are allowing them to cross.. Show some self respect and not have sex with guys that don't want you for anything but sex..QUOTE] Don't get me wrong, when I'm in a relationship with a man, sex IS what I want to do and some of them won't leave me alone b/c of how good it was. so that's not a problem. I don't have sex with a guy I care nothing about...never. Can't stomach it. I'm speaking about men who get attitudes when a woman peeps their game and refuses to see them or have sex with them, especially when they are not even in a relationship. I've known some really great guys, but one of them thinks he's God's gift to women. I've told him to stop calling me and that I am seing someone else now. He still thinks that I want him b/c he sends me pics of his chest, calls,etc. ...we both work out a lot, but i can still use common sense even if his chest is nice and his face isn't...lol.seriously though, this is the incident i'm speaking about and has really blown me.So once we went out to a movie and dinner and afterward he tries to make a move on me. I refuse. He blows up and catches an attitude. You think I've slept with him since....NO WAY this issue is not a regular one in my life... he just called the other day to ask how i was. i told him i was trying to raise money for an organization i'm apart of. he is too busy trying to get in my pants to offer helping out. that would have at least motivated me to carry on a conversation. but the thought of his attitude and ugly ways, made me cut the conversation short and tell him to have a pleasant day, goodbye.
Art_Critic Posted January 4, 2010 Posted January 4, 2010 How does an independent woman wanting an independent man make her an "entitled princess"? I don't understand that. If a woman can take care of herself then 9 times out of 10 she wants the same thing in a man. Most men feel the same way about women. They want an independent woman, so why can't an independent woman want an independent man without being labeled a gold digger? but the OP wanted her car payment taken care of for going to a concert and the possibility of having sex.. How is that being independent ?.. It is so using a her man and makes her a gold digger if this is how she operates with her dates.. AG.. I think you are talking about something different than the OP is talkign about.. She is talking about exchanging sex for goods and money and expecting said money or no date happens.. you are talking about dating.
aerogurl87 Posted January 4, 2010 Posted January 4, 2010 Are you asexual? No, I'm serious. You seem to view sex as some kid of an unpleasant task - something that you would only force yourself into in exchange for monetary compensation (kind of like a job). You do realize that most women actually enjoy having sex? Haha I love sex, in fact ideally I like having sex at least once a day. :bunny: But no, I'm just realistic because everything in life has a price. If you would actually read what I wrote you'd notice that I said everything has a price whether it be monetary or not. Meaning, it doesn't have to be money in exchange for sex, but it's gotta be something. People don't have sex for nothing, they do it to get something out of it. Whether it be pleasure, a feeling of closeness to their partner, children, or maybe even money in some cases, they're getting something out of it. Hence why I said it's a bartering system.
aerogurl87 Posted January 4, 2010 Posted January 4, 2010 but the OP wanted her car payment taken care of for going to a concert and the possibility of having sex.. How is that being independent ?.. It is so using a her man and makes her a gold digger if this is how she operates with her dates.. AG.. I think you are talking about something different than the OP is talkign about.. She is talking about exchanging sex for goods and money and expecting said money or no date happens.. you are talking about dating. Hmm perhaps Art_Critic and I'm glad that you actually read what I wrote unlike some other people. Anyway, I think if the OP just wants sex in exchange for money with guys she isn't dating her best bet is to become a sugar baby. And yes I mean that in all seriousness. He'll know upfront she's only sleeping with him for the money, and she'll know she's guaranteed to get some bank for banging him.
SOLACEMENT Posted January 4, 2010 Posted January 4, 2010 So, it seems normal for men to ask women for sex regularly(whether in a relationship or not), but when and if a woman asks a man for money or help with bills just as much as he asks her for sex, the woman is considered crazy, a gold digger or worse, a whore... Why? Not sure if someone else has already asked this question...but why in the hell do women get in their head that you should ask a man for women ,since you are having sex with him...SEX isn't a trade off...wtf
Author luvflower Posted January 4, 2010 Author Posted January 4, 2010 Im not tellign you to date a homeless guy or somebody with no ambition whos 35 and works at Mcdonlads what im saying is u cant control love unless your a sociopath only interested in money.. If you met a guy who was a blue collar worker but you clicked with him on a amazing level would you dump him becasue hes never gonna be able to give you a glamorous life?? I doubt that's what she's saying and i doubt most women would dump that guy, come on! especially if he's a great guy. I've dated a blue collar worker not too long ago b/c he had a good heart. however, even a goodhearted blue collar worker can turn into a devil when things don't go his way. or maybe he's been that way all along and it only takes the right situation to bring out the ugliness in him.
Author luvflower Posted January 4, 2010 Author Posted January 4, 2010 but the OP wanted her car payment taken care of for going to a concert and the possibility of having sex.. How is that being independent ?.. It is so using a her man and makes her a gold digger if this is how she operates with her dates.. AG.. I think you are talking about something different than the OP is talkign about.. She is talking about exchanging sex for goods and money and expecting said money or no date happens.. you are talking about dating. You are so funny. That was sooo hypothetical. But even if it weren't i clearly said that even independent women like for men to OFFER once in a while...to make life easier... Dag , ease up.
Woggle Posted January 4, 2010 Posted January 4, 2010 Anybody can turn into the devil if pushed too far.
AD1980 Posted January 4, 2010 Posted January 4, 2010 Nobodies owed a godamn thing on this earth.. If you want something work for it dont expect your vagina to pay for it all..
aerogurl87 Posted January 4, 2010 Posted January 4, 2010 Ok I have to say this, and I know everyone is gonna disagree with me, but I don't see the point in dating (with the intent to marry) for love. Love is nothing more than hormones that can go awry in about 10 seconds given the right circumstances. If the OP wants to date well off guys she gets along with and in the process protect her financial future, then go ahead. When people married for reasons other than love in the past, their marriages lasted longer. Sure you can argue that they were unhappy, but look at things now. People are unhappy 50% of the time when you consider the divorce rate, even when they have married for love. So if she wants to date the guy who can pay her bills and he's ok knowing that's the only reason he's getting laid by her then good for her. If someone is using someone and it's both mutual and understood by both parties that they are being used by one another, I don't see how that's bad. I mean that's basically what FWBs are and alot of people don't frown upon those anymore, so what is wrong with a girl telling a guy she only will have sex with him if he helps her out financially? If he understands what he's getting himself into and is mentally sound enough to make such a decision, I see no problem.
Johnny M Posted January 4, 2010 Posted January 4, 2010 In the grand scheme of things Johnny, the point is even though you may have done these things for yourself, it still ups the attraction meter for women. I'm not saying that's your whole primary goal. But for the most part the bartering system known as life is very real and that's a fact. You barter your time for money to pay for the things you want in life. Relationships and sex involve barter too, although it may be a bit complicated at times, when you strip down life it all boils down to being one big bartering system. It's true that women are attracted to success, which for most people is expressed in financial terms. That doesn't mean that you become successful for the sake of attracting women. Far from it. A man who's drive for financial success is rooted in his sexual frustrations is doomed to a miserable existence. He is the kind of guy who hates his job but can't quit because his high maintenance GF (a.k.a live-in hooker) would dump his ass the moment expensive gifts and dinners stop coming her way. Success is only enjoyable when you do something that you like and get rewarded financially for being good at it. The fact that you get the chicks is just an extra. As for the bartering system, I must be getting a heck of a deal because I've never paid a woman's bill nor gave a woman money in my entire life, yet have no difficulty getting sex.
e.clipse Posted January 4, 2010 Posted January 4, 2010 So, it seems normal for men to ask women for sex regularly(whether in a relationship or not), but when and if a woman asks a man for money or help with bills just as much as he asks her for sex, the woman is considered crazy, a gold digger or worse, a whore... Why? sex, in and of itself, should be an exchange of pleasure between two people. when in a committed relationship, the aspect of love enhances the experience. the only thing you should expect in return for sex, is sex; pleasure for pleasure. if you don't receive it, you are having sex with an incompatible person, that's all. asking for material things in return for something that thrives on feeling (ie: feeling of pleasure), whether it be "gifts" or money, is considered prostitution for the majority of people, including myself. your OP is somewhat and the posts of aerogirl are akin to saying, "I will love you, if you have money." sex and money are not the same thing at all. if someone says to you, "you're beautiful, may i kiss you?" would you answer them with something indignant such as, "for $100." sex, much like a kiss, is an exchange in and of themselves. how is you asking a man for money the same? what benefit does he get from giving you, just another woman, money? sex? in that case, how are you any different than a street hooker? I don't get that either. Well anyway, I look at it this way. Men make money to get women so they can have sex. Women use sex to get men who have money. So it's just a cycle that occurs through all levels of life because without women money would be useless to men. But without money, men would be useless to women. it's always so refreshing to see progressive thinking on this board. do you really think that men are such nobodies that they enter their professions/jobs thinking about women? do you think that their actions revolve around women, completely? men make money because they need to make money in order to survive in this world. that is all. the idea that a women should depend on a man for financial support is disrespectful and absurd.
Author luvflower Posted January 4, 2010 Author Posted January 4, 2010 This thread is about one incident, not my life story. If you read, you would know that I don't expect or ask for money. For that reason, when a man gets an attitude for not getting what he wants, and several females have said the same thing, it's simply a blower. I too like having sex (making love). But I will not do it just b/c i like a man. And I do not expect to get something in return for it. But if a guy is constantly asking for it and we're not in a relationship it's amazing. Hence, the ignoring phonecalls of men like this. Please read...
aerogurl87 Posted January 4, 2010 Posted January 4, 2010 Can you people not read?!?! I said that it includes a bartering system of some kind, which can or CANNOT be monetary in it's nature! Meaning that you always give up something for something else in life. People give up time to go work at a job, in turn that job gives them money. In turn they give up that money for luxuries and necessities they want and/or need to live the life they want. Yeah it may sound barbaric, but hey that's everyday life. It's a very simple process when you strip things down to the core. People just like to complicate things.
carhill Posted January 4, 2010 Posted January 4, 2010 Aerogurl, show your posts to your dad; the dad you wanted to introduce your boyfriend to. Get his opinion as to whether he feels you were a product of a barter system worked out between himself and your mother. Post his response here. Thanks
MeganDoll Posted January 4, 2010 Posted January 4, 2010 Who really just marries for love? The thought that the same person can be entertaining and exciting physically and emotionally to you for 50 plus years is mind boggling stupid My friedns who i love we get on each others nerves if we are together for a weekend i could i being with the same human being eveyrday for the rest of your life unless youre getting something out of it in a big way financially and in other ways Love doesnt even exist its heavy lust plus really really like and a good conection plus societal presurres to marry and have a family Love would inmply its special when theyres pletny of Men i could have the same exact feelings for if given the right opportunity as could anyone else,your husband or wife isnt speical nor your soulmate just somebodyyou connected with that you happen to meet at the right time in your life There is no amazing bond you two share that cant be dupicated with anyoen else,its a bunch of fairtytale garbage
Johnny M Posted January 4, 2010 Posted January 4, 2010 Can you people not read?!?! I said that it includes a bartering system of some kind, which can or CANNOT be monetary in it's nature! Meaning that you always give up something for something else in life. People give up time to go work at a job, in turn that job gives them money. In turn they give up that money for luxuries and necessities they want and/or need to live the life they want. Yeah it may sound barbaric, but hey that's everyday life. It's a very simple process when you strip things down to the core. People just like to complicate things. Except 'bartering' sex for money is called prostitution and is generally frowned upon by most people.
Author luvflower Posted January 4, 2010 Author Posted January 4, 2010 Real issues cause feathers to be ruffled and that's what's going on in here. We've struck some nerves and people are jumping at target words and reacting. I'm glad I know myself...One of the most humble people. Not a golddigger. But if you see a woman working hard and being independent(which I am), it goes without saying that even strong people like to offered help, even if they refuse the help. This is my main point of this thread. I do not ask men for money nor do I expect it. The maryjane/johnnyboy was hypothetical,lol, for goodness sake. But women do like to know that a man will offer, just like men like to see women attemp to pay for dinner sometimes(even though they may not accept the woman's money). So the intent behind this thread is that people do not like to be taken for granted (men/nor women), in my particular case I used money as the example...EXAMPLE, yet it is very true in many cases whether some people like it or not.
aerogurl87 Posted January 4, 2010 Posted January 4, 2010 Aerogurl, show your posts to your dad; the dad you wanted to introduce your boyfriend to. Get his opinion as to whether he feels you were a product of a barter system worked out between himself and your mother. Post his response here. Thanks Umm well carhill yeah I pretty much was. Let's see, my mom bartered sex for marriage. Yep, pretty simple concept there that she's not ashamed about.
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