Does it change when women get to their 30's?

[ordinary_girl]

Exactly. There are many posts within a battle field that don't involved physical strength.

 

which is what I said before. it was commando training we were discussing

[carhill]

Dear, we all do. Some of us have had friends die in war. Some of those are grandchildren.

 

The clear difference is something I learned from my mother. During WW2, she knew it was her *duty* to do whatever she could to help defeat the Germans and Japanese. They wouldn't let women 'fight', so she built airplanes, doing 'men's' work.

 

If you want to know why today's women disgust me, there it is. Ef-ing losers

[InspiredbyYou]

huh? this post doesn't make sense. of course it matters. reality is extremely different for people depending on what area/class/background they are. people can live very well in conflict-ridden areas and not deal with 'corpses in the rubble' as you put it before

 

 

What doesn't make sense is the idea that you would think that people living in Israel aren't born into war culture, and that it's reliant on what part of the country they reside!

 

Your posts are laughable.

[InspiredbyYou]

D

 

If you want to know why today's women disgust me, there it is. Ef-ing losers

 

 

Don't worry you are not the only who is disgusted by her attitude, try sharing an entire gender with that!

[ordinary_girl]

So I take it that you would have told women in the 1920s that it was there place to work in the home, and that they would be whining if they questioned their place?

 

At least are you willing to admit you have a double standard here?

 

why? how does this post relate to what I said about wishing your misfortune on others? if my husband told me that I had to be stuck in the house in the kitchen then it's my misfortune. should I wish that on you too just because you are a man? I wouldn't, I would deal with the situation as required.

[betamanlet]

why? how does this post relate to what I said about wishing your misfortune on others? if my husband told me that I had to be stuck in the house in the kitchen then it's my misfortune. should I wish that on you too just because you are a man? I wouldn't, I would deal with the situation as required.

So I'm expected to die, and that's that. i should unquestiongly agree because that's the way it is.. Anything else is being unmanly. Got it! Thanks

[InspiredbyYou]

why? how does this post relate to what I said about wishing your misfortune on others?

 

 

Because his misfortune involves getting sent out to fight for your country and safety and your self-righteous attitude so that you could keep your ass firmly planted on the on the sofa eating bonbons all day. In the least let him have an opinion about equality and the unfairness of it all.

 

that's why

[ordinary_girl]

Dear, we all do. Some of us have had friends die in war. Some of those are grandchildren.

 

The clear difference is something I learned from my mother. During WW2, she knew it was her *duty* to do whatever she could to help defeat the Germans and Japanese. They wouldn't let women 'fight', so she built airplanes, doing 'men's' work.

 

If you want to know why today's women disgust me, there it is. Ef-ing losers

 

honestly carhill I had respect for you until now and I thought you had greater intellect.

 

did you bother reading any of my posts properly? I am not arguing against women having their fair share in a war and yes those women that worked in the ammunition factories (that incidentally paved the way to feminism) were great.

 

however, there are certain things that women can't do because we don't have the physical strength. maybe in sunny California life is based on technology but in Afghanistan it isn't.

 

if you think women are losers based on my posts then you seriously have to re-evaluate your 'nice guy' approach.

[ordinary_girl]

Because his misfortune involves getting sent out to fight for your country and safety and your self-righteous attitude so that you could keep your ass firmly planted on the on the sofa eating bonbons all day. In the least let him have an opinion about equality and the unfairness of it all.

 

that's why

 

you are thick. I was arguing that the unfairness was one thing, his wishing it on others was the problem. do keep up.

[thegreatmoose]

huh? this post doesn't make sense. of course it matters. reality is extremely different for people depending on what area/class/background they are. people can live very well in conflict-ridden areas and not deal with 'corpses in the rubble' as you put it before

No. Here's an example. On 9/11/01, the whole United States was affected, not just NY and DC.

[ordinary_girl]

So I'm expected to die, and that's that. i should unquestiongly agree because that's the way it is.. Anything else is being unmanly. Got it! Thanks

 

nope, for the millionth time I'm objecting to your wishing it on anyone else as well. but then I guess that's the reason for your calling yourself 'beta'

[InspiredbyYou]

you are thick. I was arguing that the unfairness was one thing, his wishing it on others was the problem. do keep up.

 

 

It's very clear what you meant stop trying to back peddle, just apologize to the men for your doltish comments and you can call it a day.

[ordinary_girl]

No. Here's an example. On 9/11/01, the whole United States was affected, not just NY and DC.

 

I would hardly describe the US as 'conflict ridden'.

[ordinary_girl]

It's very clear what you meant stop trying to back peddle, just apologize to the men for your doltish comments and you can call it a day.

 

no I didn't. I complained consistently about the same thing. why should I apologise to a whinger who wishes his misfortunes on others?

[betamanlet]

nope, for the millionth time I'm objecting to your wishing it on anyone else as well. but then I guess that's the reason for your calling yourself 'beta'

 

 

So wishing equal responsibility on others is a bad thing?

[thegreatmoose]

I would hardly describe the US as 'conflict ridden'.

On 9/11/01 the US was very conflict ridden. The tragic events of that day affected people deeply in every corner of the US.

[InspiredbyYou]

Seriously man, don't air these views in public, you will be looked down on by most of the population. My Israeli friends - where army service up to the age of 48 is mandatory - would not whinge like this. A man should not ever talk like this if he wants any respect.

 

There is no mistaking what you meant by that - "STFU and go die for us already" is essentially what you meant.

 

I would hardly describe the US as 'conflict ridden'.

 

Apparently you wouldn't describe Israel like that either so...

I don't think he said that, he said that it is impossible for an entire nation not to suffer along with a tragic occurrence even if the event only happens to one portion of the country, hence the 911 attacks.

[Sam Spade]

a lot of Israeli men don't agree with drafting women in because they don't think fighting wars is a woman's job as it requires a lot of physical strength. they also prefer their women feminine.

 

it is much more likely for a man to go to war in general (although I doubt very much that you will be in that situation since a professional army is much more effective) than it is for a woman. it is something that has been the course for men for thousands of years. there are women in the army, British women are fighting in Afghanistan right now but there are still a lot of jobs that they can't do physically.

 

there are certain things you can't complain about and this is one of them. fighting comes with the territory of being male. suck it up. seriously. there are plenty of other things to complain about, this isn't one of them.

 

It is much more likely for a woman to cook and clean. it is something that has been the course of women for thousands of years:rolleyes:.

 

I bet Israeli women don't whine about not being treated like princesses, and I also bet that men respect their female officers just as much as the guys. That's because they've earned it, not because they have vaginas.

[Woggle]

Okay, I'll admit I am getting old, but I do not ever remember saying that. Can you show me where? I may have said men are having to endure what women have been going through for ages but I don't ever remember saying men "deserved" to be cheated on.

 

Maybe it wasn't you but I remember one time a man was osting about being cheated on and you ask how it feels when the shoe is on the other foot.

[thegreatmoose]

I don't think he said that, he said that it is impossible for an entire nation not to suffer along with a tragic occurrence even if the event only happens to one portion of the country, hence the 911 attacks.

Exactly right.

[Stockalone]

So it's manly if I unquestiongly go to my death, at the request of someone else, otherwise I appear unmanly if I question the fairness of it, or even whether women should be required too.

 

Isn't that all hypothetical since America no longer uses conscripts to fight it's wars?

 

Or have you reinstated the draft and I missed that?

 

 

You might as well repeat that old lie, dulce et decorum est, pro patria mori.

 

sed dulcius pro patria vivere, et dulcissimum pro patria bibere. Ergo, bibamus pro salute patriae.

 

You should quote it all. Besides, if you have to die, dying for your country isn't all that bad. Hence I would argue it's not a lie.

 

 

Yeah like if you're from Switzerland.

 

Actually, the Swiss had a handful of officers in Afghanistan. And there is a Swiss company serving as part as KFOR.

 

 

Because his misfortune involves getting sent out to fight for your country and safety and your self-righteous attitude so that you could keep your ass firmly planted on the on the sofa eating bonbons all day. In the least let him have an opinion about equality and the unfairness of it all.

 

that's why

 

I apologize if I am mistaken, but I don't think Betamanlet is a soldier. And I am pretty sure he isn't a draftee/conscript. If he were, I could understand why he would feel screwed.

 

Members of the military have to fight wars and they know this when they voluntarily sign up.

 

There are very few (if any) conscripts from NATO members that are being forced to serve in Afghanistan or other areas of operation.

[InspiredbyYou]

 

Actually, the Swiss had a handful of officers in Afghanistan. And there is a Swiss company serving as part as KFOR.

 

 

You are going to compare Switzerland to Israel? Read the posts you didn't get what was being discussed.

 

Swiss culture is not born into war Stockalone.

[InspiredbyYou]

I apologize if I am mistaken, but I don't think Betamanlet is a soldier. And I am pretty sure he isn't a draftee/conscript. If he were, I could understand why he would feel screwed.

 

Members of the military have to fight wars and they know this when they voluntarily sign up.

 

There are very few (if any) conscripts from NATO members that are being forced to serve in Afghanistan or other areas of operation.

 

 

Apology accepted because you are totally mistaken, he is talking about SELECTIVE SERVICE not about becoming a soldier willingly.

You went off on a tangent and clearly did not read his post.

[betamanlet]

Isn't that all hypothetical since America no longer uses conscripts to fight it's wars?

 

Or have you reinstated the draft and I missed that?

 

 

 

 

sed dulcius pro patria vivere, et dulcissimum pro patria bibere. Ergo, bibamus pro salute patriae.

 

You should quote it all. Besides, if you have to die, dying for your country isn't all that bad. Hence I would argue it's not a lie.

 

 

 

 

Actually, the Swiss had a handful of officers in Afghanistan. And there is a Swiss company serving as part as KFOR.

 

 

 

 

I apologize if I am mistaken, but I don't think Betamanlet is a soldier. And I am pretty sure he isn't a draftee/conscript. If he were, I could understand why he would feel screwed.

 

Members of the military have to fight wars and they know this when they voluntarily sign up.

 

There are very few (if any) conscripts from NATO members that are being forced to serve in Afghanistan or other areas of operation.

 

 

It's not hypoethical because I still have to register for the selective service and women do not. Why would they have me register for something that doesn't exist? If they reinstate the draft, then men will be drafted, based upon the selective service, which men have to sign up with, and women do not. Making me a lesser citizen than women are because they're not subjected to the penalties of not signing up, nor are they at risk of being drafted like I am, and many politicians talk about bringing back the draft, and the draft has been used many times in history, and many tens of thousands of drafted american men have been killed.

 

Read Wilfred Owen and his poem and tell me that dying for your country "isn't that bad"

[InspiredbyYou]

 

Swiss culture is not born into war Stockalone.

 

that was suposed to say:

 

The Swiss are not born into war culture.