Does it change when women get to their 30's?

January 3, 2010

I personally realized this with a woman I was interested in but was playing games. I looked at the type of "man" she had dated before me, and my stomach turned, making her not only unattractive in my eyes, but thoroughly repulsive. When you start to look at the kind of man women go for, being rejected by them becomes a badge of honor.

I have never thought of it from this perspectiv COgnac. I like the way you think;). So a way to think of it...if a woman like that rejects you then it's a compliment because you are too good for her!

SO back on topic...women in their 30's. I love em. continue....

January 3, 2010

I have never thought of it from this perspectiv COgnac. I like the way you think;). So a way to think of it...if a woman like that rejects you then it's a compliment because you are too good for her!

SO back on topic...women in their 30's. I love em. continue....

That's now how she's viewing it. YOu are too boring for her, but that shows you are mentally/emotionally stable, which aren't desirable traits for women because that doesn't provide drama.

January 3, 2010

That's definitely true...given my situation, though, it's not terrribly disappointed - I just get a lot of smart, wealthy women knocking on my door without much effort on my part. For instance, last week I had a woman take me out to dinner and Cirque-du-Soleil...the night cost a few hundred bucks, and I didn't spend a dime. Granted, that amount of cash wasn't really much more than a dime for her, but still.

Nice..got you a sugar mama! Ya know I have had several women in their late 30's -early 40's ASK ME OUT lately. It is flattering and I appreciate that kind of initiative in a woman. It seems when women get to 30's-40's they go for it and get what they want. I don't mind being a boytoy..and I can be a sugar daddy (wait sugar baby?) at the same time! Life is good;).

January 3, 2010

So it's your choice, die a virgin or be with someone who has seen miles of genitalia.

Well Beta, I'm sorry, but we got to start somewhere. The only reason women act out when they are younger ,is not out of innocence and ignorance like they pretend later on ("OHhhhh I thought he was Mr Right", despite being a drug dealing retard with a speech impediment), it's because they know that no matter what, as long as they are OK looking with a bearable personality, they can go around having random encounters with all kinds of thuggish pieces of trash and never suffer the consequences. Sometimes, women can even have kids by these dirtbags who skip town as soon as they hear the news of a baby (that is, if these women don't just abort it), and there will still be a line of losers and weenies going out the door to pay for it all.

I'm not a "nice guy" according to the definition on this board, but I'm a man honor and integrity, I've learned from recent and past experiences, that most women are not deserving of any honor and integrity. The girls who had boyfriends and I could've slept with but didn't, they don't respect or admire you for it, despite showing immense self-discipline. I'm still a man of honor and integrity, but it will no longer extend towards women, they are in a league of their own.

I'm tired of seeing guys barely deserving of life, having women serve them like they're godmen, while I sit back and watch in humiliation. Contrary to popular belief , the guys who banged all the women in their youth , seldom end up alone. What they do is actually brilliant, they bang all the women regardless of anything when they're younger, and when they're older find a decent woman who is more than happy to be with them .This is going to be my mentality from now on.

You must EARN chivalry, you don't deserve just because your female. And most women deserve no chivalry these days, in fact, they don't even respond to it.

Edited January 3, 2010 by cognac

January 3, 2010

Well Beta, I'm sorry, but we got to start somewhere. The only reason women act out when they are younger ,is not out of innocence and ignorance like they pretend later on ("OHhhhh I thought he was Mr Right", despite being a drug dealing retard with a speech impediment), it's because they know that no matter what, as long as they are OK looking with a bearable personality, they can go around having random encounters with all kinds of thuggish pieces of trash and never suffer the consequences. Sometimes, women can even have kids by these dirtbags who skip town as soon as they hear the news of a baby (that is, if these women don't just abort it), and there will still be a line of losers and weenies going out the door to pay for it all.

I'm not a "nice guy" according to the definition on this board, but I'm a man honor and integrity, I've learned from recent and past experiences, that most women are not deserving of any honor and integrity. The girls who had boyfriends and I could've slept with but didn't, they don't respect or admire you for it, despite showing immense self-discipline. I'm still a man of honor and integrity, but it will no longer extend towards women, they are in a league of their own.

I'm tired of seeing guys barely deserving of life, having women serve them like they're godmen, while I sit back and watch in humiliation. Contrary to popular belief , the guys who banged all the women in their youth , seldom end up alone. What they do is actually brilliant, they bang all the women regardless of anything when they're younger, and when they're older find a decent woman who is more than happy to be with them .This is going to be my mentality from now on.

They also have every STD known to mankind. I don't have herpes, but I would imagine it sucks.

Yes, every player I have known growing up has gotten married, and the only single, unmarried guys I know are the guys who never got married.

I only know of 2 exceptions, where it's the brothers who got married, and the sister didn't.. She has a hormone imbalance and has a beard. both her brothers got married, though one of them was to a foreign woman and I doubt the marriage will last more than 5 years.

January 3, 2010

I'm tired of seeing guys barely deserving of life, having women serve them like they're godmen, while I sit back and watch in humiliation. Contrary to popular belief , the guys who banged all the women in their youth , seldom end up alone. What they do is actually brilliant, they bang all the women regardless of anything when they're younger, and when they're older find a decent woman who is more than happy to be with them .This is going to be my mentality from now on.

You must EARN chivalry, you don't deserve just because your female. And most women deserve no chivalry these days, in fact, they don't even respond to it.

I like your viewpoints Cognac. I wish I would have banged out more girls when I was in my 20's, that's the age to do it (well early 20's, college). Just wrap it up. Just curious, how old are you?

I too have noticed that alot of women do not respond to chivalry or southern charm. Feck those women... I'll find one that does. Ya know that might be a generational thing...I believe women 30's and above respect that.

January 3, 2010

That's now how she's viewing it. YOu are too boring for her, but that shows you are mentally/emotionally stable, which aren't desirable traits for women because that doesn't provide drama.

"Boring" maybe in her 26 year old eyes. Hey, so I'm not so into going out getting wasted at smoky bars until 3am, then going to an after party and smokin' dope until dawn then hitting up Waffle House anymore. I prefer to do 'boring' stuff like chill out at the house with a movie and some wine, and love makin' on the couch. Bed time by midnight, get up at a decent hour, cook breakfast, and go hiking. Where's a woman that can appreciate that? That's what I want.

January 3, 2010

They also have every STD known to mankind. I don't have herpes, but I would imagine it sucks.

Yes, every player I have known growing up has gotten married, and the only single, unmarried guys I know are the guys who never got married.

I only know of 2 exceptions, where it's the brothers who got married, and the sister didn't.. She has a hormone imbalance and has a beard. both her brothers got married, though one of them was to a foreign woman and I doubt the marriage will last more than 5 years.

Haha, yes I have a very funny story actually. A friend of a friend that we always make fun of, who is actually a relatively good looking, tall, in shape and really intellectual guy (anywhere outside of America he would be a real catch), is dating some woman who is 23 yet wears all false teeth, has a hideous face, weighs like 80 pounds, AND has herpes.

And this is my point. No matter how many character and physical flaws a woman has, there will always be a line out the door of decent looking, good guys to date her no matter what. The physical flaws are just the icing on the cake, but not only is this woman physically unattractive, but has a really sketchy sexual history (you don't get herpes from going to church). He has left his religion (Orthodox Christianity) because she claims its "patriarchal" or some feminist garbage, so not only did he abandon his friends but also GOD for this slut.

Can you imagine a woman going out with a young guy that wears dentures, is hideous, or has herpes?!?!?! I would go out with a girl that has dental problems that serious if I liked her personality, but she doesn't even have that going for her.

Nobody is to blame for the way women act but ourselves.

January 3, 2010

I like your viewpoints Cognac. I wish I would have banged out more girls when I was in my 20's, that's the age to do it (well early 20's, college). Just wrap it up. Just curious, how old are you?[/Quote]

I'm 21.

I too have noticed that alot of women do not respond to chivalry or southern charm. Feck those women... I'll find one that does. Ya know that might be a generational thing...I believe women 30's and above respect that.

I don't know about Southern women, I've heard they are a lot better than women in the rest of America. You'd be surprised at how superficial women in their 30's can be too man, don't get your hopes up. The only reason women in their 30's are not the same old sluts they were 10 years ago, is because they feel they're too old, but not because they think it's wrong or truly want something different. If one of the dirtbags in his 20's like the type she used to go for 10 years ago expressed interest in her, you better believe she'd be very tempted, but because they only hit on young women they have no choice but to learn to like normal guys.

January 3, 2010

I'm 21.

I don't know about Southern women, I've heard they are a lot better than women in the rest of America. You'd be surprised at how superficial women in their 30's can be too man, don't get your hopes up. The only reason women in their 30's are not the same old sluts they were 10 years ago, is because they feel they're too old, but not because they think it's wrong or truly want something different. If one of the dirtbags in his 20's like the type she used to go for 10 years ago expressed interest in her, you better believe she'd be very tempted, but because they only hit on young women they have no choice but to learn to like normal guys.

I remember college, and even in sororities, women weren't "slutty". They just had a boyfriend, constantly. The extreme promiscuity starts after college. Decent guys had girlfriends in college.

January 3, 2010

So it's your choice, die a virgin or be with someone who has seen miles of genitalia.

There is a third option -- you just learn to compartmentalise. There are certain women who are great for sweaty, late night sex (with a condom), and terrible at relationships. Then there are women who aren't so great for sex, but great at relationships, just like there are men in those categories. You need to learn to just f'n'c with the former group, before you settle down with the latter group. Alternatively, you could decide to stay single, which is a legitimate option, but from the whining you do, I doubt it's one you're comfortable with.

The trouble with most self-proclaimed "nice guys" is that they do exactly the same thing they accuse women of doing. They want to marry the smoking hot girl who's great in bed, but they want to change her from the party girl into the submissive housewife. That is akin to a woman trying to change a "bad boy" into a nice guy -- and it works about as often.

Personally OP, even if women in their 30's do change their minds (they probably do), do you really want the leavings and sloppy seconds of dozens of pot smoking, room temperature IQ man-babies that women go for?

A female once explained to me that yes, women do want the "bad boys" who are liek rellly hot when they're younger (under 30), but when they get older and want to settle down they go for the normal guys. But why should I want THEM at that point?

See, this is why women do this. If we men all got together and said we deserved better, and made these women pariahs when they got older like it used to be, this problem wouldn't exist in the first place.

That's a fair comment, but the last paragraph just isn't going to happen. Men simply aren't going to 'get together' because too many of us are led around by our dicks. The 'playas' or the 'bad boys' simply take what they can get and move on, while the self-proclaimed 'nice guys' will throw themselves at ANY woman who they think they have a chance with. Just look at some of the whining posts from 'Betamanlet' in various threads to see that. This is a guy who hates women to the point of advocating violence against them, and yet he still can't handle being alone.

In the end, as a man, you need to decide what YOU want, and that when it happens, you aren't going to complain about it. I agree 100% with the idea of making women earn their chivalry these days, in fact, I'll go further and say that chivalry really should be a two way street in these days of so-called "gender equality". I, however, am quite prepared to deal with being alone forever if it comes to that. Unfortunately, a lot of men just aren't.

January 3, 2010

I remember college, and even in sororities, women weren't "slutty". They just had a boyfriend, constantly. The extreme promiscuity starts after college. Decent guys had girlfriends in college.

In my college the guys I see who are getting the most poon and girlfriends, are all cookie cutter abercrombie and fitch wearing fratboy types. I know decent guys with girlfriends but their girlfriends are all extremely underneath them in appearance, personality and intelligence.

January 3, 2010

What's going to increasingly happen, is that single mothers will settle for guys like you and me (if you take the risk) and will resent it every second, making your life hell, because they don't actually want you, they want the kind of guy who got them pregnant. Hence the even higher divorce rates involved withs ingle mothers getting married.

This is true and it happens all the time. Be very careful with single mothers. They can be awesome, but there is a huge possibility of you being used as a dad for her kid rather than her ideal lover and companion. Especially if the dad of the kid is a scumbag. Proceed with extreme caution in those circumstances.

January 3, 2010

In my college the guys I see who are getting the most poon and girlfriends, are all cookie cutter abercrombie and fitch wearing fratboy types. I know decent guys with girlfriends but their girlfriends are all extremely underneath them in appearance, personality and intelligence.

Nah, wish I could go back. Even witht he even more limited game I had, there were some women interested in me back then.. Wish I had taken advantage of. I was under the presumption the first woman I have sex with, I would be married to. Hence why I didn't.

January 3, 2010

I remember college, and even in sororities, women weren't "slutty". They just had a boyfriend, constantly. The extreme promiscuity starts after college. Decent guys had girlfriends in college.

What are you talking about? Women are at their SLUTTIEST in college because that's where they have the most opportunities. Think about it, they probably work half the hours in college they would in a real job, so they can go out to clubs SEVERAL nights a week and get hit on by men.

The fact is, there ARE women out there who aren't 'slutty', but those aren't the type of women that guys like you are interested in.

January 3, 2010

Yeah I hear you betamanlet. There is this girl I've known since I was a kid who has always been in love with me, and blossomed into a hyper-attractive woman. Like the type of girl whose profile pictures get 300 comments from horny guys saying "OMGZ URRR SOOO OBEAUTFIUL" and rejects dozens of guys all the time.

Problem is, while I like the way she looks, I can't stand her annoying personality. I never could see myself with her. She's not a bad person at all, just annoying. I've had opportunities to have sex with her, but didn't because I knew of all the consequences it would have for her, i would be banging her and she would be making love. I wouldn't be able to hurt her feelings like that and sleep right at night.

So where's all that good will and respect for women gotten me? Jack **** and some blue balls. Women still don't think twice of leading me on, cheating me, and hurting me. I am starting to believe that there is no such thing as Right Vs Wrong in the christian sense, there is only nature, and nature dictates our instincts. I have vowed to simply follow what nature orders me, instead of being altruistic, gentle, and kind to women, because honestly, they don't even deserve kindness.

January 3, 2010

Yeah I hear you betamanlet. There is this girl I've known since I was a kid who has always been in love with me, and blossomed into a hyper-attractive woman. Like the type of girl whose profile pictures get 300 comments from horny guys saying "OMGZ URRR SOOO OBEAUTFIUL" and rejects dozens of guys all the time.

Problem is, while I like the way she looks, I can't stand her annoying personality. I never could see myself with her. She's not a bad person at all, just annoying. I've had opportunities to have sex with her, but didn't because I knew of all the consequences it would have for her, i would be banging her and she would be making love. I wouldn't be able to hurt her feelings like that and sleep right at night.

So where's all that good will and respect for women gotten me? Jack **** and some blue balls. Women still don't think twice of leading me on, cheating me, and hurting me. I am starting to believe that there is no such thing as Right Vs Wrong in the christian sense, there is only nature, and nature dictates our instincts. I have vowed to simply follow what nature orders me, instead of being altruistic, gentle, and kind to women, because honestly, they don't even deserve kindness.

Cognac you are wise for your age. And I appreciate that you use proper grammar. Seems a dying art with younger people these days.

January 3, 2010

I prefer to do 'boring' stuff like chill out at the house with a movie and some wine, and love makin' on the couch. Bed time by midnight, get up at a decent hour, cook breakfast, and go hiking. Where's a woman that can appreciate that? That's what I want.

Right here, aged twenty-three. Beloved is much like you in that respect, and I love him madly. He's spoiled me for men in my age group, I'm afraid; I won't have them any younger than about thirty-five now. Then again, I'm weird. Bad boys never held any appeal except on television.

The only thing you might have trouble with is the part about "up at a decent hour"; for some reason, I need ten hours of sleep no matter when I go to bed, and I can't always get to sleep before two. Time to find a sleep study!

January 3, 2010

This is true and it happens all the time. Be very careful with single mothers. They can be awesome, but there is a huge possibility of you being used as a dad for her kid rather than her ideal lover and companion. Especially if the dad of the kid is a scumbag. Proceed with extreme caution in those circumstances.

I dated a single mother, and despite it not working out, she had no intention or plans of using me. They're not all like that. I'm sure there are some great single mothers out there.

January 3, 2010

I'm in my early 20s, and I would never dream of going out with a guy who was a jerk, a loser, or had no career. I'm sure I'm still immature enough to possibly be tricked into a situation where I think a guy is nice and he turns out to be a jerk, but it has never happened yet. At the moment I could not possibly be sexually interested in somebody whom I could not respect.

January 3, 2010

Right here, aged twenty-three. Beloved is much like you in that respect, and I love him madly. He's spoiled me for men in my age group, I'm afraid; I won't have them any younger than about thirty-five now. Then again, I'm weird. Bad boys never held any appeal except on television.

The only thing you might have trouble with is the part about "up at a decent hour"; for some reason, I need ten hours of sleep no matter when I go to bed, and I can't always get to sleep before two. Time to find a sleep study!

Nice to know there are women like you out there;). My definition of decent hour is 10am! So yeah, 9-10 hours of sleep on the weekends is ideal.

January 3, 2010

Most women in their early 20's typically aren't looking for Mr. Right (aka Mr. Forever). Rather, they're looking for Mr. Right Now. Sometimes Mr. Right Now is a good guy, sometimes he's a hot and exciting guy who's also a jacka$$/douche. Most gals in college/right out of school (early 20's) aren't interested in being all serious...

Once a woman is settled and looking for something long term, THAT is when she starts doing some serious filtering. IME, that stage hits in the late-20's/early 30's.

January 3, 2010

do you really want the leavings and sloppy seconds of dozens of pot smoking, room temperature IQ man-babies that women go for?

I personally realized this with a woman I was interested in but was playing games. I looked at the type of "man" she had dated before me, and my stomach turned, making her not only unattractive in my eyes, but thoroughly repulsive.

I thought he was Mr Right", despite being a drug dealing retard with a speech impediment), it's because they know that no matter what, as long as they are OK looking with a bearable personality, they can go around having random encounters with all kinds of thuggish pieces of trash and never suffer the consequences.

most women are not deserving of any honor and integrity.

I'm tired of seeing guys barely deserving of life, having women serve them like they're godmen, while I sit back and watch in humiliation.

They also have every STD known to mankind. I don't have herpes, but I would imagine it sucks.

The only reason women in their 30's are not the same old sluts they were 10 years ago, is because they feel they're too old, but not because they think it's wrong or truly want something different. If one of the dirtbags in his 20's like the type she used to go for 10 years ago expressed interest in her, you better believe she'd be very tempted, but because they only hit on young women they have no choice but to learn to like normal guys.

So where's all that good will and respect for women gotten me? Jack **** and some blue balls.

WOW.

For me, the biggest eye opener from my years on LS has been seeing the contempt that these "beta males" or "nice guys" or whatever they want to call themselves have for others, especially women, and men who are successful with women

It makes sense that the constant feeling of rejection has an impact of a person, but the hate and rage it fuels in some men is truly frightening.

I know that this is a support site, and we're all free to vent. I'm sure that cognac is also feeling empowered by his support group cheering him on, but this is pretty severe.

January 3, 2010

WOW.

For me, the biggest eye opener from my years on LS has been seeing the contempt that these "beta males" or "nice guys" or whatever they want to call themselves have for others, especially women, and men who are successful with women

It makes sense that the constant feeling of rejection has an impact of a person, but the hate and rage it fuels in some men is truly frightening.

I know that this is a support site, and we're all free to vent. I'm sure that cognac is also feeling empowered by his support group cheering him on, but this is pretty severe.

I don't feel I am part of a 'support group' for Cognac...It just seems he is pretty knowledgeable for his age, and he can form complete sentences and spell correctly.

Anyway, my thoughts on rejection are this: if I get rejected then for whatever reasons that I don't even contemplate on this woman does not see me as ideal for her. No big deal. I know I have met my share of women that I do not think is ideal. I move on. I don't take it personally.

January 3, 2010

WOW.

For me, the biggest eye opener from my years on LS has been seeing the contempt that these "beta males" or "nice guys" or whatever they want to call themselves have for others, especially women, and men who are successful with women

It makes sense that the constant feeling of rejection has an impact of a person, but the hate and rage it fuels in some men is truly frightening.

I know that this is a support site, and we're all free to vent. I'm sure that cognac is also feeling empowered by his support group cheering him on, but this is pretty severe.

The thing is constant non-stop rejection just totally sucks, demoralises you and it is hard to watch people who you consider not so nice, clean up, while you are left alone. I've had that same bitterness and hatred towards men, but that is more or less gone now. It's pointless and it doesn't serve anything. Apparently the fastest way towards deep depression is to compare yourself to others. So, I don't any more. That's their life, their personality, their good or bad luck, shame I don't get the big love, but maybe I will some day. I can't waste energy resenting others for having what I want.

Mind you, I have over the Christmas period done the usual looking back on the last (for me disastrous) year and of course been in touch with old friends and acquaintances, one being a girl who totally screwed me over regarding men, tried her best to make me feel worthless and ugly, flirted and took anyone interested in me from me, and she's now happily married to an adoring husband with a lovely baby. Meanwhile 'nice' me who wouldn't behave that way towards a so-called friend is single and lonely and you just wonder why sometimes life isn't like the movies, that the bad guys get what's coming to them and the good guys get the girl/guy...

When I was in my 20's I did want the big love, settle down relationship. I didn't get it, got my heart broken, got repeatedly screwed over and got very cynical and wary of getting involved with any man. In my 30's I guess the opposite has happened, I'm now more open than I was in my 20's to not having that big love, to simply seeing where things go without so much pressure that they have to become something, which has actually made any form of interaction with the opposite sex much easier and less pressure filled for both parties.

I am wiser, but I feel like I'm only learning things now that I should have learned long ago and that I have wasted so much time figuring obvious things out, that I've lost that chance to maybe have kids some day etc. all through bad choices with men in the past. Oh well, at least I can be that glamorous 'aunt' to all my friends with kids and partners. On the whole though, I'm much happier with myself and more confident regarding relationships with men and am very, very glad that I'm not 20 something any more.

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