Does it change when women get to their 30's?

[Woggle]

Why? Is it because I believe in equal rights for women? You come across as a woman hater but I know this couldn't be true because you seem happily married.

 

I remember you one time saying that men deserved to be cheated on and abused by their women because it is payback time.

[betamanlet]

Believe it or not, I absolutely agree with you betamanlet.

Just agreeing is not enough. Why are there no women's groups CURRENTLy out there, protesting, demandingi that women be required to register for the selective service? I heard a little of that happening when the ERA was beind debated, but you never ever hear about it, yet you hear about so many other demands, but not this one. Just agreeing is not enough. DOING something about it is what is required. It's simply unfair that I am expected to die, and be drafted, when women don't have to.

[Woggle]

I am against the draft in general for men or women. This country has not fought a truly justified war since WWII so I don't think people should be required to sign up.

[betamanlet]

I am against the draft in general for men or women. This country has not fought a truly justified war since WWII so I don't think people should be required to sign up.

 

 

Korean war was justified, however, let's not get too far off topic. The fact remains, men have to register, women don't, and it's not going to stop, so why don't we require women to register too? If women are so keen on being equal, I don't hear any demanding, in a public forum, actively out there demanding to register for the selective service also.

[ordinary_girl]

It's simply unfair that I am expected to die,

and be drafted, when women don't have to.

 

Seriously man, don't air these views in public, you will be looked down on by most of the population. My Israeli friends - where army service up to the age of 48 is mandatory - would not whinge like this. A man should not ever talk like this if he wants any respect.

[betamanlet]

Seriously man, don't air these views in public, you will be looked down on by most of the population. My Israeli friends - where army service up to the age of 48 is mandatory - would not whinge like this. A man should not ever talk like this if he wants any respect.

 

 

In Israel, service is compulsary for BOTH sexes. I wouldn't be "whinging" if that were the case here. Right now, only I am required to register, and not women.

 

So I dont' deserve respect if I think something is unjust, yet it's perfectly okay for women to complain about things they find unjust? Interesting double standard. Care to explain it in detail for me?

[stillafool]

Well I'm sorry I'm not out carrying a picketing sign. However, I do feel it is unfair. That goes for jobs in construction, plumbing, police work, fireman, etc.. If a woman expects equal pay and benefits, she should also expect equal stress, work and whatever else the job requires.

[stillafool]

I remember you one time saying that men deserved to be cheated on and abused by their women because it is payback time.

 

Okay, I'll admit I am getting old, but I do not ever remember saying that. Can you show me where? I may have said men are having to endure what women have been going through for ages but I don't ever remember saying men "deserved" to be cheated on.

[InspiredbyYou]

Seriously man, don't air these views in public, you will be looked down on by most of the population. My Israeli friends - where army service up to the age of 48 is mandatory - would not whinge like this. A man should not ever talk like this if he wants any respect.

 

 

Why not "air" his views? He does have a point. Your Israeli friends were born into war, war is all they know from the moment they come to light. Seeing a dead body under rubble probably wouldn't faze them either.

Get some perspective at least.

[ordinary_girl]

In Israel, service is compulsary for BOTH sexes. I wouldn't be "whinging" if that were the case here. Right now, only I am required to register, and not women.

 

So I dont' deserve respect if I think something is unjust, yet it's perfectly okay for women to complain about things they find unjust? Interesting double standard. Care to explain it in detail for me?

 

a lot of Israeli men don't agree with drafting women in because they don't think fighting wars is a woman's job as it requires a lot of physical strength. they also prefer their women feminine.

 

it is much more likely for a man to go to war in general (although I doubt very much that you will be in that situation since a professional army is much more effective) than it is for a woman. it is something that has been the course for men for thousands of years. there are women in the army, British women are fighting in Afghanistan right now but there are still a lot of jobs that they can't do physically.

 

there are certain things you can't complain about and this is one of them. fighting comes with the territory of being male. suck it up. seriously. there are plenty of other things to complain about, this isn't one of them.

[ordinary_girl]

Why not "air" his views? He does have a point. Your Israeli friends were born into war, war is all they know from the moment they come to light. Seeing a dead body under rubble probably wouldn't faze them either.

Get some perspective at least.

 

not at all, it depends where someone is from. I know you probably don't watch much foreign news but maybe should make an exception sometimes?

[betamanlet]

a lot of Israeli men don't agree with drafting women in because they don't think fighting wars is a woman's job as it requires a lot of physical strength. they also prefer their women feminine.

 

it is much more likely for a man to go to war in general (although I doubt very much that you will be in that situation since a professional army is much more effective) than it is for a woman. it is something that has been the course for men for thousands of years. there are women in the army, British women are fighting in Afghanistan right now but there are still a lot of jobs that they can't do physically.

 

there are certain things you can't complain about and this is one of them. fighting comes with the territory of being male. suck it up. seriously. there are plenty of other things to complain about, this isn't one of them.

 

 

So it's manly if I unquestiongly go to my death, at the request of someone else, otherwise I appear unmanly if I question the fairness of it, or even whether women should be required too.

 

You remind me of the women in the UK who would hand out white flowers to men of military age not in uniform, to tell them that they are cowards.

 

You might as well repeat that old lie, dulce et decorum est, pro patria mori.

 

You sound very sexist.

[carhill]

Ask Gunny and Lakeside and a few of our other retired (and still alive) active-duty military vets how much *emotional strength* it takes to survive and carry out one's duties on the battlefield. Now, IMO, here's where women have a clear advantage, using their skills of communication and clarity of emotion to effect defeat upon an enemy. What a great asset. I like equality

[ordinary_girl]

So it's manly if I unquestiongly go to my death, at the request of someone else, otherwise I appear unmanly if I question the fairness of it, or even whether women should be required too.

 

You remind me of the women in the UK who would hand out white flowers to men of military age not in uniform, to tell them that they are cowards.

 

You might as well repeat that old lie, dulce et decorum est, pro patria mori.

 

You sound very sexist.

 

of course it's right to question whether a war is just. I don't agree with the current wars the UK is engaged in.

 

I don't know how anything I said was sexist, I just don't like YOUR views. you don't represent the views of the male population

[ordinary_girl]

Ask Gunny and Lakeside and a few of our other retired (and still alive) active-duty military vets how much *emotional strength* it takes to survive and carry out one's duties on the battlefield. Now, IMO, here's where women have a clear advantage, using their skills of communication and clarity of emotion to effect defeat upon an enemy. What a great asset. I like equality

 

absolutely but there aren't any female commando because they can't pass the test

[carhill]

So, like with other 'tests', they need to be brought into line with equal opportunity. This has existed in my profession (heavy industrial machine work and millwright) for a number of decades. Level the playing field. That's what equality is all about.

[betamanlet]

of course it's right to question whether a war is just. I don't agree with the current wars the UK is engaged in.

 

I don't know how anything I said was sexist, I just don't like YOUR views. you don't represent the views of the male population

You say a man is not being manly if he questions being forced to fight a war and die. That's what men are supposed to . Complaining about it is unmanly and should not be done in public. YOu basically even admitted that this does not apply to women, so how can that not be sexist if you have a double standard?

[ordinary_girl]

So, like with other 'tests', they need to be brought into line with equal opportunity. This has existed in my profession (heavy industrial machine work and millwright) for a number of decades. Level the playing field. That's what equality is all about.

 

not at all. war is physical and the type of women that want to serve in the army would not want to pass something that's inferior to their male colleagues'. I'm sure you can bring in machinery with industrial machinery but not against the Taliban if you have to march with your backpack all night. your mates won't carry you

[carhill]

Straight up, those are excuses. Wars are fought with technology. Men have to be trained to compensate for their 'weaknesses', so can women be. Again, ask Gunny or Lakeside or Owl. They've lived it. They'll tell you what it's *really* like and why the training is critical to survival.

[ordinary_girl]

You say a man is not being manly if he questions being forced to fight a war and die. That's what men are supposed to . Complaining about it is unmanly and should not be done in public. YOu basically even admitted that this does not apply to women, so how can that not be sexist if you have a double standard?

 

no, you complained about women not having to register. being a consciencious objector is fair enough I think, depends on what sort of war you would be expected to fight (maybe harder to justify if someone is actually bombing your country).

 

but saying that just because you have a misfortune - especially something that's specifically related to your gender - others should suffer as well doesn't sound very good.

[ordinary_girl]

Straight up, those are excuses. Wars are fought with technology. Men have to be trained to compensate for their 'weaknesses', so can women be. Again, ask Gunny or Lakeside or Owl. They've lived it. They'll tell you what it's *really* like and why the training is critical to survival.

 

And I have friends that are fighting in Afghanistan as we speak on foot patrol or close combat. One of them is a commando trainer

[InspiredbyYou]

not at all, it depends where someone is from. I know you probably don't watch much foreign news but maybe should make an exception sometimes?

 

 

Yeah like if you're from Switzerland.

 

I know you probably can't grasp the concept of what it's like to be in a country that is constant fear of attack because they have been at war for centuries but in the least if you will argue a point know what you are talking about.

Who gives a damn what part of the country a person lives in, they can't escape their reality it's all around them, they tune it out. You don't have to be living in the southern part of Israel to feel the effects of the war.

[ordinary_girl]

Yeah like if you're from Switzerland.

 

I know you probably can't grasp the concept of what it's like to be in a country that is constant fear of attack because they have been at war for centuries but in the least if you will argue a point know what you are talking about.

Who gives a damn what part of the country a person lives in, they can't escape their reality it's all around them, they tune it out. You don't have to be living in the southern part of Israel to feel the effects of the war.

 

huh? this post doesn't make sense. of course it matters. reality is extremely different for people depending on what area/class/background they are. people can live very well in conflict-ridden areas and not deal with 'corpses in the rubble' as you put it before

[InspiredbyYou]

Straight up, those are excuses. Wars are fought with technology.

 

 

Exactly. There are many posts within a battle field that don't involved physical strength.

[betamanlet]

no, you complained about women not having to register. being a consciencious objector is fair enough I think, depends on what sort of war you would be expected to fight (maybe harder to justify if someone is actually bombing your country).

 

but saying that just because you have a misfortune - especially something that's specifically related to your gender - others should suffer as well doesn't sound very good.

So I take it that you would have told women in the 1920s that it was there place to work in the home, and that they would be whining if they questioned their place?

 

At least are you willing to admit you have a double standard here?