Does it change when women get to their 30's?

[meerkat stew]

Women started earning a living and didn't have to rely on men as much

 

Sure, the above is the received doctrine, but it vastly oversimplifies the massive social and political changes of the last 50 years. As another poster astutely noted elsewhere on this board, women were basically welcomed and PUSHED into the workforce in most areas of the economy the very second a) labor became less dangerous and more white-collar service oriented in an environment where, b) homemaking had become more automated, and c) childbearing and raising much less risky. The historical SECOND those a,b,c social forces coincided, women were pratically PUSHED into the workplace. There was no "fight" to enter the workplace, just bogus political machinations by the Women's Movement and other left wing special interests designed to manipulate women politically into believing they were disadvantaged victims.

 

Had there been some controlling patriarchy, surely it would have been deviously entrenched enough a) NOT to lower the infant mortality rate too much, b) NOT to invent washing machines and microwave ovens, et al., c) NOT to invent modern innoculation and drug technology, and d) NOT to create a federal public school system that occupied children while women worked. Truth is if there ever has been a "patriarchy" it's a patriarchy of technologists and government that rallied for DECADES to get to the point where women could get out of the house, not the other way around.

 

Of course the hegemony of feminization can't possibly accept a true history where men actually created the tools to liberate women, that just doesn't fit the ideology, does it? It needs to be a struggle to suit the victim mentality.

 

The "Women's Movement" would have us all believing that men schemed for centuries to "keep women down" and preserve all social and political power for themselves, while neglecting the elementary fact that the traditional family unit was structured as it was as a response to harsh living conditions. Family structure and gender roles were as they were due to the mandates of species SURVIVAL, not the whims of some controlling patriarchy.

[stillafool]

Well thank God for the "Women's Movement" that allowed women to be able to work and earn good money to support their kids after their man ran off. Now that's survival!

[betamanlet]

Well thank God for the "Women's Movement" that allowed women to be able to work and earn good money to support their kids after their man ran off. Now that's survival!

 

 

my only issue with the women's movement is that when they seek "equality" it's only at the top. I've heard that they want 50% of executives, more female elected politicians (as if you can tell people who they must vote for), yet never are there pushes to have more female garbagement, more female janitors, nor is there any push for more male teachers, etc.. The equality is only sought for at the top, highest positions, and not the ones that men have had to slave over for hundreds of years, doing unpleasant work, that is considered low status, and possibly low pay. Why only equality at the top? Is that really equality?

[cognac]

Well thank God for the "Women's Movement" that allowed women to be able to work and earn good money to support their kids after their man ran off. Now that's survival!

 

Ran off, or chased off?

 

Are you really going to have to make me dig out the divorce rate pre and post "women's lib movement" ? Or the fact that divorces are overwhelmingly instigated by the woman.

 

C'mon man, were you or were you not the guy who said you had only met 5 women in the last year? Sorry if I have you confused with someone else, but if not, you haven't even bought a shovel yet, let alone started digging. To extend the analogy, the more you dig, the more your digging muscles develop, and surprise, your digging skills improve so that you have to dig less. Eventually, it won't even be digging at all, just natural as breathing. Also, the more corpses and rattlesnakes you dig up, the more you could care less about them. Leave them in corpse and rattlesnake land, don't let them embitter you or control you. Realize that every turd nugget gets you closer to that gold nugget.[/Quote]You make some pretty good points Meerkat. I'll take your advice eventually, I'm just going through a period of transaction at the moment trying to get over one bitch. Really dark place. A girl who actually was exactly like PinkToes (considering you live in NYC, maybe it's the same girl ) says she is, turned out to be just another lying, manipulative c**t like all the others. At this point I find it hard to trust anyone female on any level at all the ones I've known throughout my life despite having differences on the surface, would still all act in the same way, I doubt I'll ever recover from this feeling until I meet a woman who doesn't betray or disappoint me. I thought I did and my attitude towards women completely changed, "not all our bad, boy was I wrong", which is why this experience has devestated more than just another d*ck-tease girl.

 

I've pretty much lost all interest in women at the moment outside of jerkin it to them in porno movies. I think I need to get back into working out, look into getting a car (although i don't really need one, it would add some convenience in my life), and just become more attractive as a potential mate. Even then though , I'll tell you right now that I don't plan on ever marrying a woman here in America no matter how sweet and nice she seems.

 

My 2 best and only friends (we're as close as brothers) will be leaving the country , perhaps for good, so I've probably got some even darker months ahead. I was banking on this woman I speak of as she swore to me we would be an item by then, just another disappointment. I'm actually considering doing something brash like joining the military or something , I'm really sick of it all.

Edited January 6, 2010 by cognac

[Lovelybird]

Well thank God for the "Women's Movement" that allowed women to be able to work and earn good money to support their kids after their man ran off. Now that's survival!

Maybe if men never abused women and ran off, the "Women's Movement" would have never happened

[betamanlet]

Maybe if men never abused women and ran off, the "Women's Movement" would have never happened

How come these abusive guys who run off are so popular with the ladies while nice guy betas who are loyal die dateless?

[Lovelybird]

Ran off, or chased off?

 

Are you really going to have to make me dig out the divorce rate pre and post "women's lib movement" ? Or the fact that divorces are overwhelmingly instigated by the woman.

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You would never know what happened behind the doors of those divorce. If you are blaming all faults are women's, then you tend to be a person who are blind to own faults, always blaming others for what went wrong

[Lovelybird]

How come these abusive guys who run off are so popular with the ladies while nice guy betas who are loyal die dateless?

Because this is the only way those women learned from their father or mother when they are young, that is what familiar to them, I don't deny there are some women crave drama though

[PinkToes]

A girl who actually was exactly like PinkToes (considering you live in NYC, maybe it's the same girl ) says she is, turned out to be just another lying, manipulative c**t like all the others.

 

No, that lying, manipulative c**t would not have been me, but I'm not at all surprised you would suggest that. It's beyond offensive. Do you really think decent girls can't pick up on the crap that's running through your head?

[cognac]

You would never know what happened behind the doors of those divorce. If you are blaming all faults are women's, then you tend to be a person who are blind to own faults, always blaming others for what went wrong

 

Hey lovely bird, don't get me wrong, I know men can be at blame too. The last week actually my mother asked me to have a man to man talk with my cousin who is around my age. He is married, got a girl pregnant when she was 17, and generally a bit of a jerk. We were at their apartment and he treats his wife like she's a piece of crap, it's not right. I explained that yes, it's ok to be the man of the house, but also telling your wife she's ugly because of stretch marks (btw, his wife is a gorgeous woman inside and out) after she has a kid (they had a second child recently) is just wrong. My uncle is a very handsome tall man who does all kinds of things and probably cheats on her. Again I addressed this, family over all. If she divorced him, I would understand (But she won't, she is hopelessly in love with him , which is why I stopped caring what happens between them).

 

But that doesn't take away from the fact that most divorces are initiated by women who are in perfectly normal and healthy relationships who simply find a hotter guy who pays them mind. It's like abortion, yeah, there are cases where it's a teenage girl in a tough situation or a victim of rape, but most of the time it's just a grown woman who doesn't want her career to be hindered. Just because you don't see the reasons for the majority of divorces on the lifetime channel, doesn't mean they aren't true.

 

No, that lying, manipulative c**t would not have been me, but I'm not at all surprised you would suggest that. It's beyond offensive. Do you really think decent girls can't pick up on the crap that's running through your head?[/Quote]

 

 

That's actually exactly what she said when I brought a similar issue up to her! . I apologize if I offended you though. Well if I meet a girl I like I push that stuff out of my head and treat a girl with love and respect, it's not like women are clairvoyant anyway. Even then, at this point, I don't really care anymore. Sure the next girl might be the one, but I'm putting down the russian roulette pistol for the time being anyway, atleast until I can go to a place where there's only 1 bullet in the chamber, instead of 5.

[Woggle]

If the feminist movement really followed what it claimed to I would support it but no self respecting man will support a misandrist rampage against his own gender which is what feminism eventually devolved into.

[cognac]

If the feminist movement really followed what it claimed to I would support it but no self respecting man will support a misandrist rampage against his own gender which is what feminism eventually devolved into.

 

You'd be surprised.

 

Just read what "the greatmoose" posts.

[Woggle]

You'd be surprised.

 

Just read what "the greatmoose" posts.

 

Any man that supports feminism either has self hatred issues or has no clue what it is really about.

[Ruby Slippers]

Any man that supports feminism either has self hatred issues or has no clue what it is really about.

I remember the day my last boyfriend proudly told me he is a feminist.

 

He's the most masculine, "alpha" guy I've ever been with. Guys love him, girls love him, he was the life of the party and, for the most part, a loyal, good-hearted man.

 

I did my very best to rock his ever-lovin' world that night.

[Woggle]

I remember the day my last boyfriend proudly told me he is a feminist.

 

He's the most masculine, "alpha" guy I've ever been with. Guys love him, girls love him, he was the life of the party and, for the most part, a loyal, good-hearted man.

 

I did my very best to rock his ever-lovin' world that night.

 

Yet according to you he still deserves to be cheated on because it is payback time.

 

With all these great qualities why did you dump him?

[meerkat stew]

I think most fair minded men are feminists in a rational definition of the word, "equal rights and protections under the law for women." The stuff that gets stapled onto that basic sensible definition by special interests is where views tend to differ.

[Woggle]

I think most fair minded men are feminists in a rational definition of the word, "equal rights and protections under the law for women." The stuff that gets stapled onto that basic sensible definition by special interests is where views tend to differ.

 

I have no issue whatsoever with the dictionary definiton of feminism but the feminist is my enemy as far as I am concerned.

[doushenka]

I think most fair minded men are feminists in a rational definition of the word, "equal rights and protections under the law for women." The stuff that gets stapled onto that basic sensible definition by special interests is where views tend to differ.

 

Agreed completely. Believe me, I toss my arms in the air just as often about my fellow woman as my fellow man -- both sides need to stop it with the BS already.

[Woggle]

Agreed completely. Believe me, I toss my arms in the air just as often about my fellow woman as my fellow man -- both sides need to stop it with the BS already.

 

I don't think it will stop anytime soon. Men and women barely like each other anymore. Right now I am listening to a lot of music from back in the day and I notice how many more love songs men and women sung about each other back in the day and how little you heat it today. They say art imitates life and music today certainly reflects the state of gender relations.

[Ruby Slippers]

Yet according to you he still deserves to be cheated on because it is payback time.

Huh? Never said that.

 

Right now I am listening to a lot of music from back in the day and I notice how many more love songs men and women sung about each other back in the day and how little you heat it today. They say art imitates life and music today certainly reflects the state of gender relations.

I hear new love songs all the time. In fact, I think they've never been better -- certainly never been as honest.

[burning 4 revenge]

I hear new love songs all the time. In fact, I think they've never been better

are you kidding me?

[Woggle]

You said yourself that men have been treating women this way for years so men should expect to be treated the same. To be quite honest you strike me as a misandrist and I would respect you if you came right out and said it. I would not be surprised if you were silently clapping while reading some of these cheating women threads.

 

What songs today truly express love between men and women? I can't think of any that are well known.

[Skump]

There have been alot of "chicks dig jerks more than nice guys" threads as of recent.

 

And the whole issue is moot because the concepts placed in contrast are poorly chosen: Virtually no one of sound mind, male or female, wants to date a jerk (occasional anomalies such as your idiot lawyer friend not withstanding). Everyone, male and female, enjoys feeling excitement and passion.

 

It isn't that most women want jerks, it's that they want men who make them feel _ALIVE_. People don't gravitate to boring navel gazers: FILM AT 11!

 

Yes, female 30-somethings have lower standards for men vis a vis the expectations of female 20-somethings; the bargaining power of female 30-somethings is diminishing more rapidly than that of their male peers.

 

With that said, choosing to remain a boring "nice guy" in the hopes that some woman will condescend to settle for you once she's out of options is a colossally sh*tty dating strategy. It's a recipe for an unfulfilling relationship for all parties concerned.

 

I am 31, fun, witty, have a great job, attractive, and a southern gentleman. Yet, I still get the blow off by girls who would rather date losers.

 

There's really no kind way to put this: Something is wrong with you. By and large, women don't want to date losers. If you're striking out time and again, the problem isn't with women. I mean, for f*ck's sake, do you honestly believe that most woman would rather date an unemployed redneck with no long term career prospects than, say, a young cardiac surgeon?

 

Do you really believe that? If you do, LS furnishes no emoticon appropriate to my stupefaction.

[stillafool]

How come these abusive guys who run off are so popular with the ladies while nice guy betas who are loyal die dateless?

 

 

Hey, my dad is a very "nice guy" and he raised 3 kids was married to my mom until she died and is now married again to a wonderful woman.

[Woggle]

Hey, my dad is a very "nice guy" and he raised 3 kids was married to my mom until she died and is now married again to a wonderful woman.

 

If your dad is so great how come you ended up such a misandrist? Also your father is from a different era. Today he would be considered a bore and women will feel like they settled if they ended up with him.