Does it change when women get to their 30's?

[Woggle]

You also have to like men for them to like you back.

[InspiredbyYou]

Actually these men are smart and the women are losers because they get hurt everytime by the bad boy they swear they can change.

 

 

And....this concerns some of you men how?

Get a life and focus on living your own life rather than trying to dictate how these "undesirable women" and these "loser men" should lead their lives.

[betamanlet]

Actually these men are smart and the women are losers because they get hurt everytime by the bad boy they swear they can change.

How are we defining losers? I consider losers to be people who don't get laid. These women get laid, the guys get laid, that's the reason we exist. nice guy betas don't get laid, hence are losers. Remember, there are more women willing to be with murderers than with guys like betas, making betas the losers.

[Woggle]

And....this concerns some of you men how?

Get a life and focus on living your own life rather than trying to dictate how these "undesirable women" and these "loser men" should lead their lives.

 

Because many men make the mistake of treating one of these women well and end up just getting their heart broken. I don't knock the bad boys who treat women like toys only to have them swoon. If you ask me they are smart and laugh at these women behind their backs.

[stillafool]

Well, let's see: my ex, bachelor degree from CalTech, doctorate from another prestigious engineering school has dated:

- a college dropout with no future, no prospects, and no job

- (made out within hours of meeting him and attempted to date) an ex-photographer, now illegal immigrant working odd jobs

But both of them were good looking and part of a party scene that you would think no longer appeal to a 25 year old highly educated woman, but there you go. And these are only the particular 2 jewels I am aware of .

I met her at 25 and was with her for 5 years before she reverted to her old ways - i.e. dumping me for no reason, and then dating THE weakest student her program has ever seen. But, he was 25, good looking, talked a lot, and was the life of the party.

Oh, and I forgot to mention - when she met me I was drinking a lot, negelected my studies, got arrested. I guess I got boring and uncomfortable after I cleaned up my act and expected the same from her.

 

 

But, how many men have dated the same way? Men are notorious for dating women because of their looks. Rich, powerful and educated men do this all the time. They date the prettiest women they can get. Why is it wrong when women do the same?

[betamanlet]

I think the key thing to ask yourself here, is do you really want someone who would never have given you the time of day when she was younger?

 

The only reason things have changed is that her options have dwindled given she has gotten older in appearance. If women didn't age physically, they would date bad boys until their 80s.

 

Do you want someone who resents the fact they settled for you?

[Woggle]

I think the key thing to ask yourself here, is do you really want someone who would never have given you the time of day when she was younger?

 

The only reason things have changed is that her options have dwindled given she has gotten older in appearance. If women didn't age physically, they would date bad boys until their 80s.

 

Do you want someone who resents the fact they settled for you?

 

Exactly plus many of these nice guys have grown to become successes and have gotten better looking as they age. Why do they want a woman who treated them like scum back in the day?

[stillafool]

Still, I ask why is it okay for men to want and chose the prettiest woman they can get but it is not okay for women to want the goodlooking guy?

[betamanlet]

Exactly plus many of these nice guys have grown to become successes and have gotten better looking as they age. Why do they want a woman who treated them like scum back in the day?

 

 

How did you treat women you found unnattractive when you were younger?

 

I treated them with respect, and was courteous, despite my lack of physical attraction. If you cannot say the same, then you are as bad as the women who brutally rejected you for laughs.

[InspiredbyYou]

Because many men make the mistake of treating one of these women well and end up just getting their heart broken.

 

 

Your inability to get over one bad relationship is not the fault of all women out here, it is your emotional immaturity that is to blame.

[betamanlet]

Still, I ask why is it okay for men to want and chose the prettiest woman they can get but it is not okay for women to want the goodlooking guy?

 

 

how many men actually have that "luxury"? Every day when i see couples, not that I'm gay, but I can tell the guy is higher on the attractiveness level than his gf/wife. I constantly see in shape men with over overweight women.. I know guys who are very well off that are engaged to, married to, or dating women that have faces like men have...

[stillafool]

Exactly plus many of these nice guys have grown to become successes and have gotten better looking as they age. Why do they want a woman who treated them like scum back in the day?

 

 

And, some of the nice girls who the "nice" guys didn't want have become better looking and a success as well, making the "nice" guys wonder why he never dated her instead of chasing after the "bad girl" who only wanted someone else!

[Woggle]

Still, I ask why is it okay for men to want and chose the prettiest woman they can get but it is not okay for women to want the goodlooking guy?

 

I always thought men who dated based on who made the best arm candy were idiots. Model types usually make the worst partners. Attractive women can pretty much get away with anything. Do you think if Amanda Knox were not an attractive woman that anybody would care one iota about her so callded plight? Men are just as stupid as women can be.

[betamanlet]

And, some of the nice girls who the "nice" guys didn't want have become better looking and a success as well, making the "nice" guys wonder why he never dated her instead of chasing after the "bad girl" who only wanted someone else!

I don't think "nice girls" are as common as "nice guys". And even when they do exist, they still crave the bad boys.. Remember, it is MUCH easier for a woman to get a guy than the opposite.

[Woggle]

Your inability to get over one bad relationship is not the fault of all women out here, it is your emotional immaturity that is to blame.

 

It is not just that relationship but it is the end of it that opened my eyes.

[InspiredbyYou]

 

The only reason things have changed is that her options have dwindled given she has gotten older in appearance. If women didn't age physically, they would date bad boys until their 80s.

 

Do you want someone who resents the fact they settled for you?

 

the only reason men don't date playboy models only is because they can't, as men get older they lose their looks and they become impotent and sexually useless. Do you really want to settle for a man who doesn't really want to be with you, but is only with you because his johnson no longer responds eagerly?

 

I guess the thought that people's tastes do change as they get older and the idea that they have deeper more meaningful expectations out or relationships never enters into the equation does it? It's only because people have to "settle" Riiiiighhhht.....

[betamanlet]

It is not just that relationship but it is the end of it that opened my eyes.

 

 

So why don't you be like the bad boys you envy and just not care at all for a woman? If you have no emotional attachment, you don't get hurt. if you have lots of options, you won't develop an attachment. Be the badboy you envy.

[stillafool]

how many men actually have that "luxury"? Every day when i see couples, not that I'm gay, but I can tell the guy is higher on the attractiveness level than his gf/wife. I constantly see in shape men with over overweight women.. I know guys who are very well off that are engaged to, married to, or dating women that have faces like men have...

 

 

Well if their wives and gf's are that ugly why did they chose them in the first place? Many men (especially if they have money) will chose the prettiest woman they can get. But women are not suppose to do the same.

[betamanlet]

the only reason men don't date playboy models only is because they can't, as men get older they lose their looks and they become impotent and sexually useless. Do you really want to settle for a man who doesn't really want to be with you, but is only with you because his johnson no longer responds eagerly?

 

I guess the thought that people's tastes do change as they get older and the idea that they have deeper more meaningful expectations out or relationships never enters into the equation does it? It's only because people have to "settle" Riiiiighhhht.....

 

(1) I would never want anyone who makes a living based upon their appearance

 

(2) Ever heard of Viagra or Cialis? It's the worst nightmare for trophy brides because now they have to have sex with the geezer.

[Woggle]

So why don't you be like the bad boys you envy and just not care at all for a woman? If you have no emotional attachment, you don't get hurt. if you have lots of options, you won't develop an attachment. Be the badboy you envy.

 

I pretty much did. After my divorce I changed my mentality and my life. Women can call me a misogynist all they want but my life 10 times better now.

[ella23]

I don't understand how anyone could say that women only go after bad guys. Unless by bad guys you mean good looking men, but that is obviously not the case. I think some of the guys are making a generalisation because of a couple of bad experiences in their own lives.

[betamanlet]

Well if their wives and gf's are that ugly why did they chose them in the first place? Many men (especially if they have money) will chose the prettiest woman they can get. But women are not suppose to do the same.

 

 

Maybe she treated him better than the "prettier" women? Rather than the opposite, I see better looking guys with less attractive looking women.

 

Where I live, it's common to see women large enough to be on the offensive line of the washington redskins to be with in shape guys. Though I think that's the tourists here. I think the locals aren't as that way, but the women are pickier and only want high status men.

[New_Life08]

Due to the low self esteem of women these days, drama is the most important thing to them, and it makes them happier than being treated "well." Treating them well makes them unhappy. Hence why they go after the guys you describe.

 

 

You are right, there are a lot of self esteem issues for both sexes. I do not think it makes them "happier" to be treated badly, I think it is more about thinking they do not deserve better.

[betamanlet]

I don't understand how anyone could say that women only go after bad guys. Unless by bad guys you mean good looking men, but that is obviously not the case. I think some of the guys are making a generalisation because of a couple of bad experiences in their own lives.

There are tons of men on death row that have women swooning over them. drug dealers constantly have lots of women, nice guys tend to die virgins. Have an explanation?

[betamanlet]

You are right, there are a lot of self esteem issues for both sexes. I do not think it makes them "happier" to be treated badly, I think it is more about thinking they do not deserve better.

 

 

I'm not sure about that. I've had this discussion with low self esteem women, and it's partially about them thinking they don't deserve better, but it's still mostly about the entertainment level of the drama. They are happier with drama than without.

 

I know of plenty of women that would rather face the risk of periodic beatings than being bored. And yes, it's a self esteem thing, but it's not all based in "i'm worthless, I don't deserve better" there is also the "being treated well all the time is boring" aspect.