Does it change when women get to their 30's?

January 5, 2010

AHhaha and you think your grandparents made your parents by asking every time they wanted to kiss your grandmothers? I doubt it. Even back then a gentleman can still be a gentleman and still act with sexual confidence, please!

I thought women didn't want the lives of their mothers and grandmothers. This is what women asked for with women's lib and as usual they are not happy with it. This is exactly what men mean when they say women want it both ways.

January 5, 2010

Nothing has changed, nothing is different. Balance is still the word of the day (key thunder every time I say the word "balance" and roll The Count laughter track) you guys should stop making excuses for men because it does not help them in any way, you only inhibit insecure men more by saying it's ok to be too nice. Some of you guys just work in extremes, it's either all black or all white.

I agree! I like working in shades of gray or better yet in shades of blue or green. No extremes here.

January 5, 2010

I thought women didn't want the lives of their mothers and grandmothers. This is what women asked for with women's lib and as usual they are not happy with it. This is exactly what men mean when they say women want it both ways.

that's where you are wrong, I get to sustain a fruitful career in a place that is mostly male dominated and I don't have to worry about them making obscene remarks towards me or unwanted sexual passes, then I get to enjoy my man's kisses unannounced and an impromptu pat in the bum when he is feeling frisky To be completely honest with you, I couldn't be happier!

Hooray for having it both ways!

:rolleyes::rolleyes:

January 5, 2010

I agree with inspiredbyyou, but that's only because I am a misogynist.

Women deep down want a man who doesn't care about their opinion and treats them like they have no autonomy. A man who "asks" to touch his womans ass, or even give her a slap on the butt after she brings me dinner, is a doormat and a weenie. I've noticed women get really turned on when I show them this attitude. One time a girl used the word "brute" to describe me, in a positive way

Maybe if all you guys put aside your brainwashing and just acted like your instincts tell you, we wouldn't have to hang on every contradictory word women tell us. Listen to your testosterone and their estrogen will respond.

January 5, 2010

that's where you are wrong, I get to sustain a fruitful career in a place that is mostly male dominated and I don't have to worry about them making obscene remarks towards me or unwanted sexual passes, then I get to enjoy my man's kisses unannounced and an impromptu pat in the bum when he is feeling frisky To be completely honest with you, I couldn't be happier!
Hooray for having it both ways!

:rolleyes::rolleyes:

And when you turn on him you will be quick to accuse him of marital rape. If you were mad at him for whatever reason and he tried to force himself on you he would be a big jerk who thought he was entitled to your body Women want to twist around the rules and make them up as they go along then wonder why men don't know what the hell to do these days.

January 5, 2010

I agree with inspiredbyyou, but that's only because I am a misogynist.

Women deep down want a man who doesn't care about their opinion and treats them like they have no autonomy. A man who "asks" to touch his womans ass, or even give her a slap on the butt after she brings me dinner, is a doormat and a weenie. I've noticed women get really turned on when I show them this attitude. One time a girl used the word "brute" to describe me, in a positive way

Maybe if all you guys put aside your brainwashing and just acted like your instincts tell you, we wouldn't have to hang on every contradictory word women tell us. Listen to your testosterone and their estrogen will respond.

This is a good way to end up in prison on a rape charge when she turns on you. I don't know about you but I like my freedom.

January 5, 2010

If you were mad at him for whatever reason and he tried to force himself on you he would be a big jerk who thought he was entitled to your body

Who does that? Who forces themselves sexually onto their partners when they are mad at each other?

I take it you speak from experience.

You clearly have boundary issues, if you cannot differentiate between leaning over and just kissing your woman, and forcing yourself on her to have sex with her when you are both mad at each.

In fact I don't want to know, you've said enough Woggle!

January 5, 2010

This is a good way to end up in prison on a rape charge when she turns on you. I don't know about you but I like my freedom.

Well in defense of women there is a difference between a guy in an alley way wearing a jason mask and a girl who likes you.

January 5, 2010

I thought women didn't want the lives of their mothers and grandmothers. This is what women asked for with women's lib and as usual they are not happy with it. This is exactly what men mean when they say women want it both ways.

And when you turn on him you will be quick to accuse him of marital rape. If you were mad at him for whatever reason and he tried to force himself on you he would be a big jerk who thought he was entitled to your body Women want to twist around the rules and make them up as they go along then wonder why men don't know what the hell to do these days.

More complete nonsense in your posts. It's not just women who disagree. There are many men including me who also disagree.

Read what she says when she talks about balance. It makes perfect sense to me.

January 5, 2010

Who does that? Who forces themselves sexually onto their partners when they are mad at each other?
I take it you speak from experience.

You clearly have boundary issues, if you cannot differentiate between leaning over and just kissing your woman, and forcing yourself on her to have sex with her when you are both mad at each.

In fact I don't want to know, you've said enough Woggle!

Women tend to just wake up somedays mad at their men for no reason at all and if a man fails to guess that and leans over to kiss her many women would call him a creep.

January 5, 2010

There is a reason why people don't get millions in sponsorship dollars to spin a yoyo, no one thinks that's entertaining enough to build a business around it. Watching some guy on a board with wheels, or a board on the snow doing crazy flips in the air or catching rails when he could easily crack his head open is pretty darn entertaining.
If you think watching men in dangerous activities for the pleasure of the masses is something created today, you need to look up Roman Colosseum and Gladiators. Yoyo tricks would get eaten alive, even back then.

What about professional Chess players? They make millions if they're good, and get sponsored by a myriad of companies as well .

Gladiator battles and skateboarding are two WAY different things. To compare the two is truly apples and oranges. While yes, skateboarders do take idiotic risks, it is not the same as a gladiator (a convicted criminal) fighting for his life. I would love to see any skateboarder over 15 getting put in a gladiator type situation though.

So by your definition something is entertaining if you can break bones doing it. Once I was big into climbing trees, fell out one day and broke my ankle Does that make ME HOT or COOL? The truth is your not attracted to the act of skateboarding , simply to the "hot guys" who do it, despite being developmentally stunted.

If tomorrow I invented a "sport" or "hobby" out of the blue, say guys who wear chicken costumes and defecate from the top floor of a shopping mall, you would go ga-ga for the guys who do it as long as they are "hot". Fact is women will date even the lowest and dumbest of men as long as they are "hotter" than a normal guy with adult interests.

January 5, 2010

Well in defense of women there is a difference between a guy in an alley way wearing a jason mask and a girl who likes you.

To many feminists there is no difference. All men are predators to them.

January 5, 2010

yeah most normal guys can tell the difference:

More complete nonsense in your posts. It's not just women who disagree. There are many men including me who also disagree.

Read what she says when she talks about balance. It makes perfect sense to me.

Well in defense of women there is a difference between a guy in an alley way wearing a jason mask and a girl who likes you.

As usual the topic is turning ridiculous, off to bed.

Someone should start off a new thread topic and ask if women like to be asked BY THEIR partners for permission to be kissed and if that is the same thing as having their men force themselves on to them sexually when they are at odds with each other, or at any time for that matter. I can predict the outcome of the responses from any sane healthy woman!

January 5, 2010

It doesn't even have to be about looks. There is a guy in my neighborhood who drinks so much I think he is pickled and looks he stinks yet he gets tons of sex. Women trip over themselves to be with this guy and nobody can figure it out.

January 5, 2010

I see Sam's point, IBY. We were TOLD (and still are) to treat women in a respectful, non-sexist way as opposed to as sexual objects. We were TOLD to become more in touch with our feelings. We were told that we had to change in so many ways to be part of the new equality-based world order. Now we are told to keep doing these things, yet somehow are also expected to read women's minds to know that there are certain times -which we are responsible for decoding- (because she sure as hell is not going to tell us) when she WANTS to be treated as a sexual object, when she wants us to be a bit sexist, when she WANTS us to be tough and unemotional.

So where's my frigging decoder ring? Did I not eat enough Vagina Crunch cereal to earn that particular prize? The problem we have with this is not the attitude itself, but that men are left to "puzzle out" what is going on in a given female's head... on the fly... all the time. Sorry, no.

I remember being disgusted by that Paula Cole song "Where Have all the Cowboys Gone" when it came out, because, Paula, where all the cowboys went is WHERE YOU DEMANDED THEY GO... AWAY! You are wrong about the "rape" comparisons, btw, I know men whose lives have been completely ruined by false rape allegations, even when they were acquitted. These aren't separate, unconnected phenomena, as you would like to argue, but connected at the very ROOT cause. Sometimes I don't think women truly understand what "prison" and "jail" are, they sure as hell don't act like it. Threats of jail time will chill all sorts of hot masculine behavior on the part of men of average intelligence and masculinity.

As far as the truth about Mr. Asking Permission Nice Guy, here's how it usually shakes out. Girl meets boy. Boy asks permission to kiss her. Girl fawns all over him in the moment of infatuation, "that is the sweetest, most chivalrous thing a man has ever done for me! :love:" in essence reinforcing the behavior. Guy gets the idea this is what the woman wants, so repeats it. Honeymoon period evaporates in 4-6 months, and voila! suddenly Little Lord Fauntleroy's asking permission is not so cute and chivalrous any more, just deadly dull and boring. Girl starts concocting and rationalizing her way out, finely crafting a solution that leaves her completely blameless and unaccountable for what went wrong in the relationship, and Eureka! there it is, he's just TOO DAMN NICE (and that guy in the cross cubicle at work is just TOO DAMN HOT). And here's the great big rub, to preserve her blameless stance, she will NEVER ASK Fauntleroy to change, because god forbid he does and then there goes her get out of relationship free card, and she wants to get with cubicle guy sooner rather than later.

Here's an idea ladies, these types wear it on their sleeves, easy to spot (hell they ask you for permission on the first kiss... pretty much a dead giveaway). How bout try not dating them? But see that doesn't jive with the true state of affairs that you love the extra attention and fawning at first, while your "fickle meter" is stuck on "butterflies" ... you love it until it you get tired of it, right? And until Mr. Upgrade saunters by. Isn't that a bit closer to the truth than that the guy was too nice from the start? You liked it, and odds are haven't asked him to change his behavior.

There is nothing at all wrong with dumping a man because you are no longer attracted to him, how about fessing up though and accepting YOUR ROLE and ACCOUNTABILITY in things as opposed to shifting 100% of the blame back on the poor guy by trying to crucify him for behavior you probably had a share in reinforcing from the start.

Once again, it's the complete and utter refusal to accept any accountability whatsoever that drives men crazy when reading these stories. It's all the "Mr. Nice" guy's fault, right ladies?

January 5, 2010

What about professional Chess players? They make millions if they're good, and get sponsored by a myriad of companies as well .

I agree there are plenty of spectator activities that do not involve extreme activities, you are right it's not all about crazy stunts. So maybe we should start a Yoyo team/tournament? people can be unpredictable who knows what will take off?

Gladiator battles and skateboarding are two WAY different things. To compare the two is truly apples and oranges. While yes, skateboarders do take idiotic risks, it is not the same as a gladiator (a convicted criminal) fighting for his life. I would love to see any skateboarder over 15 getting put in a gladiator type situation though.

So by your definition something is entertaining if you can break bones doing it. Once I was big into climbing trees, fell out one day and broke my ankle Does that make ME HOT or COOL? The truth is your not attracted to the act of skateboarding , simply to the "hot guys" who do it, despite being developmentally stunted.

Well of course I was attracted to the guys, I just liked the types of guys at the time, that did those kinds of sports. It's silly it makes no sense, it was immature, and bob's your uncle!

Car races are hardly about watching cars go round and round on a track, people secretly expect someone to smash up their car, explode and escape alive. I think the "beating the odds" part is what excites people and keeps them coming back for more. We are destructive by nature, make of that what you will...

If tomorrow I invented a "sport" or "hobby" out of the blue, say guys who wear chicken costumes and defecate from the top floor of a shopping mall, you would go ga-ga for the guys who do it as long as they are "hot". Fact is women will date even the lowest and dumbest of men as long as they are "hotter" than a normal guy with adult interests

Guys will do the same with hot women who have not much more to offer, as I said earlier most of us grow out of that. As you mature your tastes start to change and you find that as you become more aware of who you are and what your purpose is in this world, that you reflect that image in the choices you make for partners. Evolution is like that. You have to start somewhere and it has to be less in order to achieve more that is what keeps the line growing as opposed to just moving along. In order for there to be growth there has to be incremental factor to it. Someone else said it perfectly earlier, I think it was D-Jam he posts some really great stuff, and that was: pay attention to how people evolve. I would add pay attention to how you evolve in the process as well.

January 5, 2010

The key point here, stew, is every woman is diferent , you cannot pin them into one mould. Some women like rough, some women like nice and gentle. Unless you have the ambition that you can be universally attractive to all women?

January 5, 2010

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As far as the truth about Mr. Asking Permission Nice Guy, here's how it usually shakes out. Girl meets boy. Boy asks permission to kiss her. Girl fawns all over him in the moment of infatuation, "that is the sweetest, most chivalrous thing a man has ever done for me! :love:" in essence reinforcing the behavior. Guy gets the idea this is what the woman wants, so repeats it. Honeymoon period evaporates in 4-6 months, and voila! suddenly Little Lord Fauntleroy's asking permission is not so cute and chivalrous any more, just deadly dull and boring.

No! I will stop you right there because it's one thing to ask if he could kiss you on an early date, that I could almost understand though I prefer a guy just to go in for the kill if the vibe is there, but I can understand him asking for that early on that's cool. If we make out and the next time we go out he asks again, then I start to wonder, if we go out again and he asks YET AGAIN, there won't be a fourth date. What is this Mother May I? Just kiss me already we were making out like fiends last time, I am clearly interested in you I am out with you we have talked during the week laughed and agreed we had a fantastic time and want to do it again and now you want to revert back to asking if you could kiss me again? WTF? Are guys really that intimidated by crap these days? Who are these guys? No one I have ever dated has been this bad. EVER. But I did have one guy that would ask every time he wanted to text me call me, kiss me email me. Finally I said you know what hun you don't have to ask just do it, well he went from 1 to 100 in one week and it was just insane.

So back to my original point, it's usually guys who really don't know what they are doing who go for extremes.

BALANCE boys, balance. Learn it, become best friends with it, treat it with respect and make it your daily mantra and you won't fail.

I won't go to 6 moths with a guy who keeps asking if "he could kiss me" so.... I can't relate sorry.

January 5, 2010

A man has to read whether a woman is mad at him for god knows what reason that day to decide if he should kiss her or not.

January 5, 2010

The key point here, stew, is every woman is diferent , you cannot pin them into one mould. Some women like rough, some women like nice and gentle. Unless you have the ambition that you can be universally attractive to all women?

Yes, just like men, every woman is different. If you rub us the wrong way, though... we will tell you generally. You won't tell us, but will steam and stew about our inability to read your minds.

My point is not that different women shouldn't like different things, but that women should admit their faults in a relationship as opposed to 100% blame shifting "he's just too nice" after four months. If he is too nice now, it's likely he was too nice when you met. What changed? Your fickle level of attraction most likely. If he's always been too nice, then why did you date him for four freaking months? Did you ask him to change (almost certainly not).

It's just too convenient how many of these "too nice guys" was allowed to hang around as long as they did, isn't it?

Heck, I'd even settle for an "I thought I liked that kind of thing at first, but it got old," as the explanation for one of these "too nice" tales. NEVER SEE THAT THOUGH because it adds just a wee bit of blame on the woman in question for being mildly capricious, but apparently that tiny little bit of blame is too much to accept.

January 5, 2010

A man has to read whether a woman is mad at him for god knows what reason that day to decide if he should kiss her or not.

A man should do NO SUCH THING. A man in that situation should speak up and tell her, you know what missy I don't play this game of charades if you have something to tell me let's talk about it otherwise it is safe to assume everything is fine, so wipe that look off your face because I am coming in for a kiss!

January 5, 2010

Yes, just like men, every woman is different. If you rub us the wrong way, though... we will tell you generally. You won't tell us, but will steam and stew about our inability to read your minds.

My point is not that different women shouldn't like different things, but that women should admit their faults in a relationship as opposed to 100% blame shifting "he's just too nice" after four months. If he is too nice now, it's likely he was too nice when you met. What changed? Your fickle level of attraction most likely. If he's always been too nice, then why did you date him for four freaking months? Did you ask him to change (almost certainly not).

It's just too convenient how many of these "too nice guys" was allowed to hang around as long as they did, isn't it?

Heck, I'd even settle for an "I thought I liked that kind of thing at first, but it got old," as the explanation for one of these "too nice" tales. NEVER SEE THAT THOUGH because it adds just a wee bit of blame on the woman in question for being mildly capricious, but apparently that tiny little bit of blame is too much to accept.

So damned true.

The hard to admit truth is that another , "Hotter" guy is in the picture. She is simply trading in her old model like she does with her cellphone every 2 weeks, or her shoes.

January 5, 2010

A man should do NO SUCH THING. A man in that situation should speak up and tell her, you know what missy I don't play this game of charades if you have something to tell me let's talk about it otherwise it is safe to assume everything is fine, so wipe that look off your face because I am coming in for a kiss!

Are you serious. This is a quick way to sleep on the couch and end up in divorce court. Women take great offense when a man tries to be intimate and she is mad and women are prone to waking up mad at a man for no reason.

January 5, 2010

She is simply trading in her old model like she does with her cellphone every 2 weeks, or her shoes.

Oh, wah, wah, wah.

Welcome to what it's been like to be a woman for... hmmm, let's see... EVER.

I'm not condoning the behavior, but you've gotta expect some backlash on this stuff.

No need to be a titty baby about it.

January 5, 2010

Oh, wah, wah, wah.

Welcome to what it's been like to be a woman for... hmmm, let's see... EVER.

I'm not condoning the behavior, but you've gotta expect some backlash on this stuff.

No need to be a titty baby about it.

See what I mean when I say that most women deep down encourage this kind of stuff yet I am wrong when I point out how most women feel.

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