Does it change when women get to their 30's?

January 5, 2010

So a woman in a relationship is now a man's property? Marital rape laws should no longer apply? I thought married women hated when a man felt he was entitled to their bodies.

So now you are equating a playful pinch on your girl's butt or a smooch to rape? I see.

You sir, have what JayZ said best: "I got 99 problems but the bitch ain't one"

January 5, 2010

So now you are equating a playful pinch on your girl's butt or a smooch to rape? I see.

You sir, have what JayZ said best: "I got 99 problems but the bitch ain't one"

I didn't make the rules.

January 5, 2010

If you try to kiss them and they don't want it, I'm sure they will make it obvious. If you persist anyway, that's forcing yourself on them.

Exactly.

They know what she meant, they are just acting stupid to have an in for their broken record "pitch". This is how most threads deteriorate.

January 5, 2010

So a woman in a relationship is now a man's property? Marital rape laws should no longer apply? I thought married women hated when a man felt he was entitled to their bodies.

That's absurd. I have no idea how you come up with some of what you write on here. I don't know any guys in real life who would say such things.

January 5, 2010

Exactly.

They know what she meant, they are just acting stupid to have an in for their broken record "pitch". This is how most threads deteriorate.

I know what she meant but when you have a climate where a man is afraid to even smile at a woman or he is considered a creep this is what you end up with. He is just following the script that has been shoved down men's throats for the last few decades.

January 5, 2010

That's absurd. I have no idea how you come up with some of what you write on here. I don't know any guys in real life who would say such things.

I am not the one saying that a man should just take a woman's body instead of asking permission first.

January 5, 2010

Depends where you live.... Where I live, the single women in their 30s are just incredibly picky, and they never lower their standards. So the older a single woman is, the pickier she is, as least here. You're better off without them anyways.

What's going to increasingly happen, is that single mothers will settle for guys like you and me (if you take the risk) and will resent it every second, making your life hell, because they don't actually want you, they want the kind of guy who got them pregnant. Hence the even higher divorce rates involved withs ingle mothers getting married.

What is it with most people bagging on single mothers on this site? I am a single mother but I am not desperate! I have had several guys show interest in me even after I tell them that i have kids they still wish to pursue me, but they were not right for me I didn't settle. Just because I have kids does not mean I am going to settle with any guy that says he wants to take care of me and my kids, I can do that on my own and be much happier rather than being with the wrong guy. but I have liked the nice guys starting around my early 20's and got over the bad guy phase because i want to be happy in a relationship and not stress on if he is cheating on me or listenning to him call me bitch all of the time etc..... btw I am 30

January 5, 2010

Single Mothers with some exceptions tend to not be good dating material because there is a dad out there and that means a ruined relationship in her past. How do I know that whatever she did to ruin that relationship will not repeat itself with me?

January 5, 2010

I know what she meant but when you have a climate where a man is afraid to even smile at a woman or he is considered a creep this is what you end up with. He is just following the script that has been shoved down men's throats for the last few decades.

Yeah he is reading from the script for the lead of Mr Nice Guy and passing with flying colours. Let me remind you that Mr Nice guy is the male equivalent to the needy insecure "do you think I'm pretty" a million times, and "why do you have to go out with your friends from time to time to a game and why can't I come along too?" chick.

Quit having double standards will you!.

Do you want a woman who acts like that? We don't want male equivalents of that either!

He lacks confidence, and is too eager to please. He disregards his own needs to maintain integrity and to receive respect. When you compromise your need for respect, nothing good can come from that, hence the example given earlier.

It's got dickall to do with the "climate".

January 5, 2010

Single Mothers with some exceptions tend to not be good dating material because there is a dad out there and that means a ruined relationship in her past. How do I know that whatever she did to ruin that relationship will not repeat itself with me?

That is a negative way to look at it but everyone has an ex and there is a reason why that didn't work out just the same as with a single mother. The only difference is yes she does have a kid but you could also look at it as the woman would be more wiser to any mistakes after learning from them in her previous relationship with the kids dad and would not do the same thing going forward.

January 5, 2010

That is a negative way to look at it but everyone has an ex and there is a reason why that didn't work out just the same as with a single mother. The only difference is yes she does have a kid but you could also look at it as the woman would be more wiser to any mistakes after learning from them in her previous relationship with the kids dad and would not do the same thing going forward.

Like I said before if I were single I would not want to clean up the trainwreck left by another man. Most often these women end up repeating the same mistakes over and over again or end up hating men all together which makes them a nightmare to be involved with. Very few women take a good honest look at themselves and change their ways accepting full responsibility.

January 5, 2010

Perhaps meet someone who has given birth. Those 12 or so hours of begging God for mercy seems to set us straight on many realities in life.

Such as:

Hmm, my a$$ is full of stitches, so it must not be lined with gold!

Wow! Who took my awesome body and left me with all the flab and road maps?

last, but not least... Oh, damn, maybe I should have been with someone I didn't have to text to let him know his child was born...

yeah that all happens usually in our thirties (not to me, my kids have a good dad). But it is amazing the losers some women choose! Unreal!

January 5, 2010

That is a negative way to look at it but everyone has an ex and there is a reason why that didn't work out just the same as with a single mother. The only difference is yes she does have a kid but you could also look at it as the woman would be more wiser to any mistakes after learning from them in her previous relationship with the kids dad and would not do the same thing going forward.

Like I t hought, people like you cannot contemplate what it is like being a beta male. There are guys who die virgins, who have never had a date, let alone an ex, yet you say "everyone has an ex, so.."

January 5, 2010

Like I said before if I were single I would not want to clean up the trainwreck left by another man. Most often these women end up repeating the same mistakes over and over again or end up hating men all together which makes them a nightmare to be involved with. Very few women take a good honest look at themselves and change their ways accepting full responsibility.

Maybe I am one of the few then, because when I hear people call single moms desperate or men never wanting to deal with their baggage I get offended, but my ex and I get along great and I never speak poorly of him with anyone I am dating and I don't think poorly of him either. We both learned alot from eachother and our split and I feel like I am better person after our break up, sad that it didn't work out cause we do have a kid together but what good would we be together if we know it's not right, then that's not good for the kids to be around either.

January 5, 2010

Perhaps meet someone who has given birth. Those 12 or so hours of begging God for mercy seems to set us straight on many realities in life.

Such as:
Hmm, my a$$ is full of stitches, so it must not be lined with gold!

Wow! Who took my awesome body and left me with all the flab and road maps?

last, but not least... Oh, damn, maybe I should have been with someone I didn't have to text to let him know his child was born...

yeah that all happens usually in our thirties (not to me, my kids have a good dad). But it is amazing the losers some women choose! Unreal!

Due to the low self esteem of women these days, drama is the most important thing to them, and it makes them happier than being treated "well." Treating them well makes them unhappy. Hence why they go after the guys you describe.

January 5, 2010

First off, bear in mind that practically every woman on the planet has dated a playa, jerk, a**hole, bad boy, etc...at one point of her life. Most women who dated the "bad men" didn't even know it. They were charmed by what seemed to be a confident level-headed male, and one day this guy turned into the jerk she hated. She didn't know the guy was a jerk to begin with because he had a good act to trick women.

This is the case with most women. While there are guys out there who can be arrogant and totally honest...claiming how they'll never marry or even commit (yet the women chase them like crazy), most of the guys who score a lot with women are the guys who lie to them and trick them in some way. They might "withhold the truth" by dating and sleeping with her, knowing she wants a RL (but he doesn't and yet he'll keep quiet about that until it's forced out of him).

Some guys tell the half-truth. They'll tell the woman who wants marriage that he wants marriage and family as well, but neglects to mention that he doesn't want it with her. The woman then believes he's talking about her and thus ends up duped.

Some just plain out lie period. They'll say they love the woman and tell her anything she wants to hear to get into her pants, then show no remorse when they're busted.

Cognac, trying to find an attractive woman who is single and yet has never dated a "bad man" in her life is like trying to find a rose growing in a pile of manure. The thing you need to do is to more or less see how the woman has carried herself. If she's the type who will dump a guy instantly when she finds she's been lied to and has the backbone to be single and alone rather than stay in a bad RL, then get with her. If she's the type who is insecure and has low self-esteem and thus gives 1000 chances to bad men to "do better", then steer clear.

Those women are easy to spot. They may be physically attractive (because many of them think they're worthless if they're not "hot"), but they also show they're desperate to be loved and not be single. When they decide to "settle" on a "nice guy", it shows because she'll be in a big hurry to commit and even marry and have kids. I'd see some of these want to meet a guy and get engaged to him after 6-12 months of dating then start having kids right after the marriage a year later.

DO NOT judge all single moms as these women. Not every woman who has a kid is instantly a "cum dumpster". Many of these women did the think they were raised to believe as "correct". They fell in love, married, etc...but things didn't work out, and you can't take children to a "return/refund" table. Too many guys make the mistake of instantly believing that every woman who has a kid (even if she's never been married) is a former bad boy chaser who's looking for any guy to be an instant husband and daddy.

Don't hold so much hatred. Yes there are bad men and women out there, but to remain cynical like you come off will only hinder the search for love. You should be looking for the person who is great to you NOW and will be great to you for life...regardless of any past "mistakes". You can't expect a woman to be attractive AND have their life together AND a flawless past AND be single.

Usually those women marry off in their early 20s and never end up single.

very good points

January 5, 2010

Like I t hought, people like you cannot contemplate what it is like being a beta male. There are guys who die virgins, who have never had a date, let alone an ex, yet you say "everyone has an ex, so.."

In a sense yes and most people do have an ex, and those that don't and ex or a date during their lifetime have at one point in their life cared for someone or wanted to be with someone and for one reason or another that didn't work out soooooo this person would have learned from that experience as well.

January 5, 2010

How good are you on stripper poles?

I will pole dance for you any time, Sophia, the only problem is when upside down doing some of my more complex signature moves, blood rushes to my massive brain causing me to pass out.

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January 5, 2010

I will pole dance for you any time, Sophia, the only problem is when upside down doing some of my more complex signature moves, blood rushes to my massive brain causing me to pass out.

Ahhh the trials and tribulations of packing generous gray matter. Who said size doesn't matter? They lied!

Now "dance!" - (shoots Stewie in the foot with my finger guns of course) - "DANCE I said!"

(I hope you've all seen Goodfellas )

January 5, 2010

OH GOD I know exactly the type.

An any guy who thinks it's bitchy to think this way and that we women just want jerks who will mistreat us, all I ask is that you walk a mile in the shoes of someone who is with someone who is not only too nice for their own good, but who is also suffocatingly predictable. THEN tell me about it!
Balance is all a person really wants, anyone who thinks that extremes are good has severe issues. Being with someone who is that nice and predictable is the exact same think as being a complete jerk, it just sits on the opposite sides of the spectrum but the outcome is still very undesirable.

I consider myself to be a pretty darn good example of being between the two extremes - sweet and empathetic when appropriate, sex-obsessed monster when appropriate. YET I still find it highly insulting to complain that a guy is "too nice". It is one thing to talk about a doormat with zero boundaries, but what the other poster (loviedove? i forget...) described 1-2 pages back seems simply like well... a nice guy. But nooooo, he must hit those little girl emotional chords "just so" in order to get the time of day with a woman...:rolleyes:.

What you have created is a generation of men who are purposefully avoiding intimacy and being sweet to their women because of concern that they would get bored/restless. Well, we are not stupid - based on experience we do realize that being mildly violent (figuratively speaking, but also not being embarrassed to administer some spanking in bed) and mildly inconsiderate gets much better results with women than being sweet and a true gentleman, so that's what you get (at least from the crowd that has some backbone)...

Quite simply, women expect mutually contradictory things from men. He must be sweet, but he also must take charge, etc. etc. etc. God help you if the sweet and caring dimension takes over, even briefly. It is much better to err on the side of being a little too rough around the edges rather than too soft. Well, okay then.

Edited January 5, 2010 by Sam Spade

January 5, 2010

I consider myself to be a pretty darn good example of being between the two extremes - sweet and empathetic when appropriate, sex-obsessed monster when appropriate. YET I still find it highly insulting to complain that a guy is "too nice". It is one thing to talk about a doormat, but what the other poster described seems simply like well... a nice guy. But nooooo, he must hit those little girl emotional chords "just so" in order to get the time of day with a woman...:rolleyes:.

What you have created is a generation of men who are purposefully avoiding intimacy and being sweet to their women because of concern that they would get bored/restless. Well, we are not stupid - based on experience we do realize that being mildly violent (figuratively speaking, but also not being embarrassed to administer some spanking in bed) and mildly inconsiderate gets much better results with women than being sweet and a true gentleman, so that's what you get (at least from the crowd that has some backbone)...

Another one!

Sam do you honestly ask for your girl's permission every time you want to kiss her? You actually pussyfoot around her begging her for permission to express your affections by playing "mother may I?"

Nothing has changed, nothing is different. Balance is still the word of the day (key thunder every time I say the word "balance" and roll The Count laughter track) you guys should stop making excuses for men because it does not help them in any way, you only inhibit insecure men more by saying it's ok to be too nice. Some of you guys just work in extremes, it's either all black or all white.

Too nice, ie. push-over, is not attractive in any gender, no matter how you slice and if you want to feel insulted by that there is not much I can do about it.

January 5, 2010

Another one!

Sam do you honestly ask for your girl's permission every time you want to kiss her? You actually pussyfoot around her begging her for permission to express your affections by playing "mother may I?"

Nothing has changed, nothing is different. Balance is still the word of the day (key thunder every time I say the word "balance" and roll The Count laughter track) you guys should stop making excuses for men because it does not help them in any way, you only inhibit insecure men more by saying it's ok to be too nice. Some of you guys just work in extremes, it's either all black or all white.

Too nice, ie. push-over, is not attractive in any gender, no matter how you slice and if you want to feel insulted by that there is not much I can do about it.

No, I don't ask for permission, yet even if I did, I still fail to see how doing so is a sign of weakness or lack of strenght and character. Hey, it wasn't men who all of a sudden had this great idea to consider any sexual interaction not involving explicit consent to be a de facto rape.

So, don't worry about me, worry about the poor chumps who believe that showing restraint and respect per old world standards will get them anywhere with women.

Edited January 5, 2010 by Sam Spade

January 5, 2010

No, I don't ask for permission, yet even if I did, I still fail to see how doing so is a sign of weakness or lack of strenght and character. Hey, it wasn't men who all of a sudden had this great idea to consider any sexual interaction not involving explicit consent to be a de facto rape.

Haha no doubt, and there are certain things we still must ask permission for, usually stuff involving barbed wire, livestock (especially if you want to use her makeup on the livestock... they get WHITE HOT pissed when you use up their favorite lipstick or mascara on a goat or sheep without asking), any device that uses gasoline or so much power that it might short circuit the dryer, any kind of thing that suspends them (or us) in the air with cables or pulleys, Mexican wrestling masks (coming up from under the bed with a Mexican wrestling mask on when she doesn't even think you're home is usually a no-no).

If asking for permission for this stuff makes me a too nice-guy, then so be it. I value my teeth.

January 5, 2010

No, I don't ask for permission, yet even if I did, I still fail to see how doing so is a sign of weakness or lack of strenght and character. Hey, it wasn't men who all of a sudden had this great idea to consider any sexual interaction not involving explicit consent to be a de facto rape.

So, don't worry about me, worry about the poor chumps who believe that showing restraint and respect per old world standards will get them anywhere with women.

No I am worried about you because you are in fact telling these same "chumps" to do as you say but not as you do!

It seems you want these guys to fail! you just said you don't do this why would you say it's ok for other guys to do it and everything will be just fine?

If your girl went in for permission every time she went in for a kiss or to jokingly pinch you in the butt, you would be happy with that? Answer that honestly, imagine every time she wants to reach out the cookoo bird speaks "can I kiss you now?" "do you mind if I kiss you know?" "is it ok to kiss you now? "what about now?" "is if ok to pinch your butt now?" "cukoo" "cooKOO...."

JUST DO IT AND STOP ASKING ALREADY WOMAN!

Did you guys even read what Loveidovey wrote or what? The guy asks for permission to do what should be spontaneous shows of affection, they have been dating 4 months.

I mean...REALLY? any guy who would tell another guy "you're ok man you have just been conditioned to be a puppy, keep it up that's hot women don't understand you!"Is being cruel to men.

And all these allegations to rape are simply MENTAL! If four months in there is so much turmoil in a relationship that it is in fact the woman's bitchy attitude that is making you tip toe around her to the point that you need permission to kiss her, what kind of a weakling are you that you don't get out of that abusive situation? Furthermore, if you cannot differentiate between crossing sexual boundaries in the work place VS showing affection at home with your partner, then you have no business dating at all!

Stop with the excuses this so LAME.

January 5, 2010

So, don't worry about me, worry about the poor chumps who believe that showing restraint and respect per old world standards will get them anywhere with women.

AHhaha and you think your grandparents made your parents by asking every time they wanted to kiss your grandmothers? I doubt it. Even back then a gentleman can still be a gentleman and still act with sexual confidence, please!

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