PinkToes Posted December 30, 2009 Posted December 30, 2009 So I'm thinking this whole argument is kind of like when you hate your neighbors because they keep parking their truck on your front lawn, and then you meet them and they're really nothing like you thought they were -- or at least they're not nearly as annoying as you had built up in your head. And I've definitely done this, so I'm not judging. Well there isn't actually a truck in my front yard, but you get the picture. But my take on this particular situation comes from meeting a guy I was attracted to who happened to be a nurse. So that sort of preempted everything else for me, and made it a non-issue.
sally4sara Posted December 30, 2009 Posted December 30, 2009 I couldn't resist...... Sally, you seem to "get that" and understand Shadow Play's views, when her thoughts are not any less debatable than mine. Though... seems like you are defending her views right off the bat? She also stated same goes for a psychologist and social worker, as in she wouldn't date men in those professions. Sounds to me it's a total deal breaker to her, but though I get more bashing, after admitting I wouldn't completely brush off a guy because of his profession. Kind of obvious now, that some people give others less crap, if they have no resentment against them already(hint...from other threads). Betamanlet, no wouldn't not date a date over the type of car he owns or any other of that malarkey you came up with. :rolleyes:My last BF drove a really crappy car. To be honest, it did kind of bother me under certain circumstances, more so because it was noisy due to the car's condition. Did I not date him because of this? No..... I would never brush off a guy, because of the car he drives and other reasons you have brought up. Try getting your facts straight before bashing someone. People keep throwing in the comments about nursing being a very respectable profession. Where did I say it wasn't? My first post, did mention I felt kind of "bad" because of male nursing not appealing to me. Being I did admit to feeling a little ashamed of my preferences, I almost get a sense a couple of you were having a go at me due to this...in further attempt to make me feel ashamed of my desires or preferences. I think some people feed on that sort of thing. A bit hypocritical, eh? Not once have I seen you try to be understandable or acceptable of my view points on why I feel the way I do about male nursing. Actually, some of you never seemed to once try understand why I "may" feel this way. At least, I am being reasonable enough to admit, I wouldn't completely disapprove of a guy just because of his profession, as a Nurse. *sigh* What I initially posted in the thread can be read by you and Shadowplay. You started the thread so I used your OP to respond. I DO think accepting old fashioned views to be valid without examiniation to be narrow, unfounded, and ridiculous. I still don't think, as I stated, that anyone has to think the way I think and the way I think likely won't work for everyone. I asked a bit deeper with Shadow because she didn't attack me, or behave overly sensitive about it. Like, you, are, being, NOW.
betamanlet Posted December 30, 2009 Posted December 30, 2009 I couldn't resist...... Sally, you seem to "get that" and understand Shadow Play's views, when her thoughts are not any less debatable than mine. Though... seems like you are defending her views right off the bat? She also stated same goes for a psychologist and social worker, as in she wouldn't date men in those professions. Sounds to me it's a total deal breaker to her, but though I get more bashing, after admitting I wouldn't completely brush off a guy because of his profession. Kind of obvious now, that some people give others less crap, if they have no resentment against them already(hint...from other threads). Betamanlet, no wouldn't not date a date over the type of car he owns or any other of that malarkey you came up with. :rolleyes:My last BF drove a really crappy car. To be honest, it did kind of bother me under certain circumstances, more so because it was noisy due to the car's condition. Did I not date him because of this? No..... I would never brush off a guy, because of the car he drives and other reasons you have brought up. Try getting your facts straight before bashing someone. People keep throwing in the comments about nursing being a very respectable profession. Where did I say it wasn't? My first post, did mention I felt kind of "bad" because of male nursing not appealing to me. Being I did admit to feeling a little ashamed of my preferences, I almost get a sense a couple of you were having a go at me due to this...in further attempt to make me feel ashamed of my desires or preferences. I think some people feed on that sort of thing. A bit hypocritical, eh? Not once have I seen you try to be understandable or acceptable of my view points on why I feel the way I do about male nursing. Actually, some of you never seemed to once try understand why I "may" feel this way. At least, I am being reasonable enough to admit, I wouldn't completely disapprove of a guy just because of his profession, as a Nurse. Aren't you basically bashing all male nurses by saying they rare undateable to you due to your archaic view of their role and function being "woman's work"? I'm only responding to your comment, I'm not the one eliminating a profession from my dating pool due to what my preconcieved notions of that line of work is.
sweetjasmine Posted December 30, 2009 Posted December 30, 2009 People keep throwing in the comments about nursing being a very respectable profession. Where did I say it wasn't? Probably because laughing at a man for being a nurse is disrespectful.
Author jw90063 Posted December 30, 2009 Author Posted December 30, 2009 *sigh* What I initially posted in the thread can be read by you and Shadowplay. You started the thread so I used your OP to respond. I DO think accepting old fashioned views to be valid without examination to be narrow, unfounded, and ridiculous. I still don't think, as I stated, that anyone has to think the way I think and the way I think likely won't work for everyone. I asked a bit deeper with Shadow because she didn't attack me, or behave overly sensitive about it. Like, you, are, being, NOW. Oh my god.... You first response to Shadowplays post, was not telling her she is narrow, unfounded and ridiculous for thinking the way she does. In no way, did you try to see my point of view. Why would she be sensitive, and she's not the OP of this thread.. There were other posters who ASK A BIT DEEPER, without bashing me right off the bat. Probably because laughing at a man for being a nurse is disrespectful. Wow, nope I don't think it's humorous but your post is. Oh and here's another observation. Anyone find it interesting, how besides(Betamanlet male...), I've mostly been bashed by females. The guy who has Nursing degree was less defensive, and probably cause he is male. In general, males seem to respond in a different way. How typical.... Anyway....carry on, I've had enough of the catty talk for the past 2 days. I do understand that nursing is a great job..I have quite a few relatives who are nurses. I just find a bit odd, for a male profession, but that's me. Maybe, in time I will think a bit differently.
sally4sara Posted December 30, 2009 Posted December 30, 2009 Oh my god.... You first response to Shadowplays post, was not telling her she is narrow, unfounded and ridiculous for thinking the way she does. In no way, did you try to see my point of view. Why would she be sensitive, and she's not the OP of this thread.. There were other posters who ASK A BIT DEEPER, without bashing me right off the bat. Ugh woman! There was no need to copy and paste something I'd already shared within this thread. I'm sure anyone who read my post that holds the same views you do could take that leap and figure it applied to them as well. In no way are your reading comprehension skills a match for your Histrionic Personality! I'm starting to think you just want me to put a leash on YOU.
sweetjasmine Posted December 30, 2009 Posted December 30, 2009 Oh and here's another observation. Anyone find it interesting, how besides(Betamanlet male...), I've mostly been bashed by females. The guy who has Nursing degree was less defensive, and probably cause he is male. In general, males seem to respond in a different way. How typical.... That's because the "it's really weird for gender X to be doing job Y" attitude is harmful to everyone.
edward-e Posted December 30, 2009 Posted December 30, 2009 as the guy with the nursing degree, i can tell you im not nurturing in anway. in fact, im kinda of an *******....and usually when i date women they assume im a player and im gunna fu*k em and never talk to em again...so the nurturing thing is meh, but if thats what they think then cool... in all actuality i think JW would be all over me IRL so this whole argument is stupid....
betamanlet Posted December 30, 2009 Posted December 30, 2009 Would the OP date a male flight attendant?
Author jw90063 Posted December 30, 2009 Author Posted December 30, 2009 Ugh woman! There was no need to copy and paste something I'd already shared within this thread. I'm sure anyone who read my post that holds the same views you do could take that leap and figure it applied to them as well. In no way are your reading comprehension skills a match for your Histrionic Personality! I'm starting to think you just want me to put a leash on YOU. I'm sorry, but you have no right to be diagnosing me with a personality disorder, when you may very well have a few of your own. I could probably bet large sums of money on it. You do not know me, and I do not know you enough to draw such conclusions. However, you are obviously up to no good, because you are going as far as insulting my intelligence which is inappropriate- bringing up my reading comprehension skills(I'm sorry if I don't comprehend everything in all 200+ post in this thread). You are contributing to this thread flowing off topic, but maybe that's good so it will be closed. If you don't want to simply give your input on whether not you find a male in nursing a problem, wouldn't it be good at this point to NOT comment on this thread?.....
Rudderless Posted December 31, 2009 Posted December 31, 2009 Glad to see you're all having a happy festive holiday Anyway, I just wanted to make the point that in my experience someone's job doesn't necessarily define their characteristics. On the other hand it's very difficult not to judge a book by it's cover, but I think learning how to do that is a pretty good thing to do.
stillafool Posted December 31, 2009 Posted December 31, 2009 as the guy with the nursing degree, i can tell you im not nurturing in anway. in fact, im kinda of an *******....and usually when i date women they assume im a player and im gunna fu*k em and never talk to em again...so the nurturing thing is meh, but if thats what they think then cool... in all actuality i think JW would be all over me IRL so this whole argument is stupid.... I have to tell ya, we have 3 nurses in my family and when they are off work they are anything but nurturing. They see so much they are like steel in a family crisis. They also like to party hard. I don't think any woman would be able to dominate a male nurse.
tkgirl Posted December 31, 2009 Posted December 31, 2009 I'm sorry, but you have no right to be diagnosing me with a personality disorder, when you may very well have a few of your own. I could probably bet large sums of money on it. You do not know me, and I do not know you enough to draw such conclusions. However, you are obviously up to no good, because you are going as far as insulting my intelligence which is inappropriate- bringing up my reading comprehension skills(I'm sorry if I don't comprehend everything in all 200+ post in this thread). You are contributing to this thread flowing off topic, but maybe that's good so it will be closed. If you don't want to simply give your input on whether not you find a male in nursing a problem, wouldn't it be good at this point to NOT comment on this thread?..... oh jw90063 looks like you've been misunderstood yet again.. why does that keep happening to you?
CarrieT Posted December 31, 2009 Posted December 31, 2009 oh jw90063 looks like you've been misunderstood yet again.. why does that keep happening to you? :lmao: Gee, I wonder... :lmao:
meerkat stew Posted December 31, 2009 Posted December 31, 2009 oh jw90063 looks like you've been misunderstood yet again.. why does that keep happening to you? :lmao: Gee, I wonder... :lmao: What's with the "pack" mentality on this board? Seems like there's often a Springer-prole show ("you go girl!") vibe around here where people are just plain ridiculed more than offered advice or even challenged in their opinions. How exactly does that help anyone or add to a discussion? Look up "ad hominem," it's called a logical fallacy for a reason.
Els Posted December 31, 2009 Posted December 31, 2009 Funny how ruling out a potential date based on looks, fashion sense, age, height, weight, race, religion, etc is acceptable, but profession not? Male nurses are fine with me, but there are some professions that are not. Everyone's entitled to their own choices. Frankly, I don't understand why everyone's saying the OP doesn't respect nurses (of course, I didn't read all 16 pages, so please correct me here) if she chooses not to date one because she doesn't find the profession sexy. If someone doesn't find people above X years of age dateable, does that mean he/she doesn't respect everyone above X years of age?
Author jw90063 Posted December 31, 2009 Author Posted December 31, 2009 Ah, thought this thread had died down. You mean to tell me someone had to bring it back up just for the sake of contributing with sarcastic comments. That's really nice and brilliant. I honestly think many people who haven't contributed to this thread, were either disinterested in the topic it's self, or they didn't approve of a male seeking nursing as a career. I think it's clear if you enter this thread, it's like jumping into the fires of hell. Yes, it's interesting how so many people rule potential dates due to issues such as height, weight, religion, but obviously it's a sin to question a male being a nurse. Let's not forget the most ridiculous reasoning of cutting someone off as a potential date: http://www.loveshack.org/forums/t213836/
Lizzie60 Posted December 31, 2009 Posted December 31, 2009 Speaking of nurses.. I spent most of the morning yesterday at the hospital with my son... I checked the male nurses and staff in general... OMG... some of the good looking guys in there.. I felt like 'passing out' just to get some attention ... or maybe the mouth-to-mouth ressucitation. I haven't seen any effiminated nurses or staff...
betamanlet Posted December 31, 2009 Posted December 31, 2009 Ah, thought this thread had died down. You mean to tell me someone had to bring it back up just for the sake of contributing with sarcastic comments. That's really nice and brilliant. I honestly think many people who haven't contributed to this thread, were either disinterested in the topic it's self, or they didn't approve of a male seeking nursing as a career. I think it's clear if you enter this thread, it's like jumping into the fires of hell. Yes, it's interesting how so many people rule potential dates due to issues such as height, weight, religion, but obviously it's a sin to question a male being a nurse. Let's not forget the most ridiculous reasoning of cutting someone off as a potential date: http://www.loveshack.org/forums/t213836/ Admit it, your problem with a male nurse is that you feel you cannot brag to your friends about your bf/husband's job. The problem is YOUR insecurities.
sally4sara Posted December 31, 2009 Posted December 31, 2009 What's with the "pack" mentality on this board? Seems like there's often a Springer-prole show ("you go girl!") vibe around here where people are just plain ridiculed more than offered advice or even challenged in their opinions. How exactly does that help anyone or add to a discussion? Look up "ad hominem," it's called a logical fallacy for a reason. Ad hominem is where you make a statement like: "I don't like Obama for this this and this reason", and someone discredits those reasons ONLY because you are republican. The reasons you list might well be valid, but there are for nothing simply because you typically don't like democrats. Read the OP. She asked if anyone else would be bothered by a male nurse and then asks if her feelings on it are bad. People answered. She freaks out and attacks them with what little slices she thinks she has gleened of them via their posts in other threads Did YOU look up ad hominem? Because I told her my opinion (like she asks for in her OP) but that she doesn't need my opinion or the opinion of anyone else to decide who she should date or what is best for her. This advise was discredited (and totally missed) by her because I posted in a thread about dominance. She then used it to attack me for not thinking the same way she does. THAT is ad hominem.
D-Jam Posted December 31, 2009 Posted December 31, 2009 I don't see a problem with jw rejecting a man because he's a nurse. I don't even see a problem with jw rejecting a guy even for the most ridiculous and/or shallow of reasons. Seriously...that's not the issue in my book or with men and women like her. The reality is the usual question: "How's that working out for you?" What makes me roll my eyes at people who would reject someone for what many call a shallow and/or ridiculous reason is when those very same people will come online (or elsewhere) and complain endlessly about how there aren't any decent single folk for him/her...or they continuously get into bad RLs with horrible people because they prioritize the wrong things over and over...but can't ever see how they themselves keep leading themselves to these bad people. We don't know "how jw is doing". She could be meeting (and dating) loads of guys who are better looking, more interesting, and even make more money in bigger more "masculine" careers. If she is, then in my book she can reject as many male nurses and blue collar workers as she wants. Her standards are bringing her results...therefore they are not unrealistic. As I said before, if she came on here complaining how every good looking guy who has a great career treats her like crap and/or rejects her for younger/hotter women, and she then tosses out some spiel how she can't seem to have looks, money, and personality all in one; like she's forced to choose two... ...then I'd say she's unrealistic, because her standards are not getting her results. We all might think it's silly to reject a guy for being a nurse, or being a normal height (as opposed to taller) or baldness or even because he's respectful...but one can only judge if the complainer/rejector isn't getting what he/she wants with their selection standards. If jw is meeting loads of men she deems as "ideal", then we have no room to talk. If she's only meeting douchebags and bad men, then all we can say is that she brings it on herself. Leave it at that.
dnm Posted December 31, 2009 Posted December 31, 2009 Let's not forget the most ridiculous reasoning of cutting someone off as a potential date: http://www.loveshack.org/forums/t213836/ huh?!! that thread can't be serious.
Author jw90063 Posted December 31, 2009 Author Posted December 31, 2009 I don't see a problem with jw rejecting a man because he's a nurse. What I'm baffled by is, not once did I say I would indefinitely reject a male, because he was a nurse. Of course, in some other threads(example given in my previous post writing someone off because of ONLINE grammer, text speaking etc) where people write potential dates off for other far lame reasons IMO, they stated they definitely would blow the person off. At least I would not classify this as a total deal breaker. I said I would hesitate to date them. If they had other qualities, I would of course give them a chance. It is just not a turn on to me in general, but perhaps if I experienced being around male's working in the field I would become more comfortable of the idea.
meerkat stew Posted December 31, 2009 Posted December 31, 2009 Ad hominem is a logical fallacy whereby perceived characteristics of a person are offered as reasons for invalidating their POV or argument either directly or by implication. In no way are your reading comprehension skills a match for your Histrionic Personality! Ad hominem, "your views and opinions are invalid because you suffer from histrionic personality disorder." oh jw90063 looks like you've been misunderstood yet again.. why does that keep happening to you? Ad hominem, "your views and opinions are invalid because positions you take in other threads reveal a pattern of similar argument." :lmao: Gee, I wonder... :lmao: Ad hominem, extension of tkgirl's fallacious assertion. Did YOU look up ad hominem? Please take my word that of the many things I am ignorant of and do need to look up to confirm from time to time, logical fallacies are not one. I use them every day myself She then used it to attack me for not thinking the same way she does. THAT is ad hominem. Didn't read the other thread, but the above is a good example of a "tuo quoque" fallacy on your part.
lifeasiknowit Posted December 31, 2009 Posted December 31, 2009 (edited) I think men who are nurses are those who want to be in the medical field, helping people without going through years of undergrad and medical school with the years of interning afterward. Nurses do many things that doctors do, and they are almost as skilled. Most male nurses are not effeminate. If you're turned off by it, it's because you're hung up on male stereotypes. Being caring and nurturing are not qualities of only women, and I for one, think it makes a man more hot. Also, it's only a job. A male nurse can be a chauvinistic pig, and a seemingly honorable policeman can turn out to be a rapist. We tend to attach too much meaning to one's job. Edited December 31, 2009 by lifeasiknowit
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