Mary3 Posted December 26, 2009 Posted December 26, 2009 My 2 cents.. : -------- Nice guy Good guy Jerk -------- Nice guy gets walked on. He has no backbone. He has a hard time saying no. He may not get laid as fast because he needs to make moves at some point so women will know he is sexually interested in her. Good guy now thats who you want . He has balance. He opens his mouth if you are taking too much of the pie. He treats women well but he is no fool. He is respected. Good guy gets the most sex. Jerk : What alot of women might have experienced. He tells you about men and women he has hit because they pissed him off. He yells out the window and races his engine threatening others drivers. Jerk gets alot of sex too. But alot of women don't want to come back for seconds. Too much BS to put up with to get sexxxed by him ...
skydiveaddict Posted December 26, 2009 Posted December 26, 2009 My post was directed at Skydive, not you. For example, a nice, assertive guy wouldn't call a girl a whore if she flirted with other men in his presence. He'd make his annoyance/anger clear, but he'd do it in a civil way. you're still not getting it there is no such thing as a "nice, assertive guy"
shadowplay Posted December 26, 2009 Posted December 26, 2009 Why don't we change "nice" to "doormat?" It doesn't make sense to compound the two, because somebody can be nice AND assertive as we've discussed ad nauseum. Doormat men prefer to harp on the "nice" aspect of being a doormat, because it makes them feel like they're being unfairly punished for their decency. When in fact, it's not the niceness, but the spinelessness that's the problem.
shadowplay Posted December 26, 2009 Posted December 26, 2009 you're still not getting it there is no such thing as a "nice, assertive guy" Yes there is. It all depends on how you define nice. By nice I mean somebody who is good to those who are good to them and who assert their boundaries if crossed.
MyNameIsJonas Posted December 26, 2009 Posted December 26, 2009 you're still not getting it there is no such thing as a "nice, assertive guy" I'm not trying to get in the middle of an obviously stimulating debate here, but what exactly brought you to that conclusion? I personally know some guys who are considered both "nice and assertive/confident" by both themselves and various women.
alphamale Posted December 26, 2009 Posted December 26, 2009 By nice I mean somebody who is good to those who are good to them and who assert their boundaries if crossed. thats not "nice"....its "normal"
shadowplay Posted December 26, 2009 Posted December 26, 2009 thats not "nice"....its "normal" Why isn't that nice?
skydiveaddict Posted December 26, 2009 Posted December 26, 2009 Why don't we change "nice" to "doormat?" It doesn't make sense to compound the two, because somebody can be nice AND assertive as we've discussed ad nauseum. Doormat men prefer to harp on the "nice" aspect of being a doormat, because it makes them feel like they're being unfairly punished for their decency. When in fact, it's not the niceness, but the spinelessness that's the problem. ok we can agree to disagree. but the alpha male by nature is an assertive jerk likewise the beta male by nature is a nice doormat
shadowplay Posted December 26, 2009 Posted December 26, 2009 ok we can agree to disagree. but the alpha male by nature is an assertive jerk likewise the beta male by nature is a nice doormat Right all men are either/or. No inbetween whatsoever. If only the world were so simple.
skydiveaddict Posted December 26, 2009 Posted December 26, 2009 Right all men are either/or. No inbetween whatsoever. If only the world were so simple. EXACTLY! now you've got it!
betamanlet Posted December 26, 2009 Posted December 26, 2009 Right all men are either/or. No inbetween whatsoever. If only the world were so simple. There are only alphas and betas. Nothing in between.... 20% of men get 80% of the women.
skydiveaddict Posted December 26, 2009 Posted December 26, 2009 There are only alphas and betas. Nothing in between.... 20% of men get 80% of the women. see shadow? i told ya !
shadowplay Posted December 26, 2009 Posted December 26, 2009 see shadow? i told ya ! Well, you've convinced me!
skydiveaddict Posted December 26, 2009 Posted December 26, 2009 hey betamanlet, how ya doin? how's the transition coming along?
betamanlet Posted December 26, 2009 Posted December 26, 2009 hey betamanlet, how ya doin? how's the transition coming along? Er, I took pictures of river otters today.
stapelfahrer drew Posted December 27, 2009 Posted December 27, 2009 There are only alphas and betas. Nothing in between.... 20% of men get 80% of the women. And 80% of statistics are made up on the spot...95% of all people know that.
betamanlet Posted December 27, 2009 Posted December 27, 2009 And 80% of statistics are made up on the spot...95% of all people know that. pareto . look it up.
stapelfahrer drew Posted December 27, 2009 Posted December 27, 2009 pareto . look it up. So, 20% of men are having 80% of the relationships with women?
MyNameIsJonas Posted December 27, 2009 Posted December 27, 2009 So, 20% of men are having 80% of the relationships with women? You know 60% of the time, it works everytime. I've seen the above statistic (not mine) thrown out a lot but I have yet to see any actual backup for it. While I'm sure a good portion of the overall male population is having "success" with women, I have a very hard time believing it's the 75-95% figure I keep seeing. Someone prove me wrong.
skydiveaddict Posted December 27, 2009 Posted December 27, 2009 Er, I took pictures of river otters today. you gotta start your transition to becoming an alpha. taking pictures of slimy overgrown slugs isnt gonna do it for ya
skydiveaddict Posted December 27, 2009 Posted December 27, 2009 So, 20% of men are having 80% of the relationships with women? exactly correct
stapelfahrer drew Posted December 27, 2009 Posted December 27, 2009 Stands to reason then that 20% of women then are having 80% of the sex. I am pretty sure there must be some attractive women in that other 80% that want some lovin' but aren't getting it.
LucreziaBorgia Posted December 27, 2009 Posted December 27, 2009 You're going out with a girl and have a sexual need that isn't being met. How might you rectify the situation? Nice: Blows a lot of money romancing the girl, hoping she'll 'come around' Assertive: Makes his needs known through subtle tactile clues, and if that doesn't work, tries to make his needs known clearly and verbally, and if that doesn't work, moves on to someone else who is better suited Jerk: Cheats on her, and dumps her without telling her, cuts her off completely when he finds someone who will put out, and then makes a point to brag about how he is getting laid by a 'real woman' on FB so that she and all of her friends can see it A girl you like calls you up and asks if you can help her study for a class. Nice: Assumes it is a date, and gets all giddy and excited and then angry when it turns out not to be Assertive: Depends on if he has the time for it, or if it interferes with other plans. If not, then he works it in and studies with her. May try to work in some 'off time' with coffee or dinner afterward. Jerk: Asks her if this is an excuse to try to sleep with him. Passes it off as a joke, but makes it clear that he thinks that 'study' = 'sex', and intends to make good on that. A girl you like calls you up and asks for a ride to go see a guy. Nice: Asks what time he needs to be there to give her a ride. Assertive: Says that he is busy, and intends to walk away without looking back Jerk: Tells her that he must not like her very much if he won't come pick her up, tells her to go f*ck herself and then hangs up on her. You're out on a date and she gets drunk and starts to flirt with other guys Nice: Does nothing, and buys rounds for everyone Assertive: Leaves her there, cuts his losses Jerk: Picks up a girl in front of her, puts a crapload of drinks on his tab for him and this other girl, ditches her at the club and sticks her with the tab while he takes the other girl home with him She calls/txts you constantly to see where you are or what you're doing Nice: Reciprocates, feels that they are in love Assertive: Asks her to scale it back some Jerk: Itemizes his cell bill, highlights all of her texts and calls and insists that she pay him back for them in order to 'teach her a lesson' You go home and find her in bed with your best friend Nice: Ask her to go to counseling or whatever it takes to fix the relationship, and tries to make amends with the best friend Assertive: Cuts them both off, considers revenge but finds a better girl and forgets about them both Jerk: Cuts them both off, sabotages them at every step, plots revenge and takes it out on them, keys their cars, hacks their FB pages, etc.
cognac Posted December 27, 2009 Posted December 27, 2009 You're going out with a girl and have a sexual need that isn't being met. How might you rectify the situation? Nice: Blows a lot of money romancing the girl, hoping she'll 'come around' Assertive: Makes his needs known through subtle tactile clues, and if that doesn't work, tries to make his needs known clearly and verbally, and if that doesn't work, moves on to someone else who is better suited Jerk: Cheats on her, and dumps her without telling her, cuts her off completely when he finds someone who will put out, and then makes a point to brag about how he is getting laid by a 'real woman' on FB so that she and all of her friends can see it A girl you like calls you up and asks if you can help her study for a class. Nice: Assumes it is a date, and gets all giddy and excited and then angry when it turns out not to be Assertive: Depends on if he has the time for it, or if it interferes with other plans. If not, then he works it in and studies with her. May try to work in some 'off time' with coffee or dinner afterward. Jerk: Asks her if this is an excuse to try to sleep with him. Passes it off as a joke, but makes it clear that he thinks that 'study' = 'sex', and intends to make good on that. A girl you like calls you up and asks for a ride to go see a guy. Nice: Asks what time he needs to be there to give her a ride. Assertive: Says that he is busy, and intends to walk away without looking back Jerk: Tells her that he must not like her very much if he won't come pick her up, tells her to go f*ck herself and then hangs up on her. You're out on a date and she gets drunk and starts to flirt with other guys Nice: Does nothing, and buys rounds for everyone Assertive: Leaves her there, cuts his losses Jerk: Picks up a girl in front of her, puts a crapload of drinks on his tab for him and this other girl, ditches her at the club and sticks her with the tab while he takes the other girl home with him She calls/txts you constantly to see where you are or what you're doing Nice: Reciprocates, feels that they are in love Assertive: Asks her to scale it back some Jerk: Itemizes his cell bill, highlights all of her texts and calls and insists that she pay him back for them in order to 'teach her a lesson' You go home and find her in bed with your best friend Nice: Ask her to go to counseling or whatever it takes to fix the relationship, and tries to make amends with the best friend Assertive: Cuts them both off, considers revenge but finds a better girl and forgets about them both Jerk: Cuts them both off, sabotages them at every step, plots revenge and takes it out on them, keys their cars, hacks their FB pages, etc. Ahahahahhaha , I'm definitely the jerk. The jerk doesn't even sound that bad, he just believes in justice. I think you have an incorrect definition of a jerk. Jerks are people who are mean or cruel with no reason, but if a woman screws you over or is trying to, you have every right to return the favor. Women have a lot of power (the power of the pussy), when they abuse it they should be held accountable.
elaina Posted December 27, 2009 Posted December 27, 2009 You're out on a date and she gets drunk and starts to flirt with other guys Nice: Says nothing, makes sure she gets home safe, hopes she changes and becomes nice too. Assertive: Just makes sure she gets home safe, then finds someone who adores him. Jerk: Mocks her or hurts her in any way, doesn't care what happens to her She calls/txts you constantly to see where you are or what you're doing Nice: puts up with it Assertive: puts boundaries up with the consequence of trespassing those boundaries being he's no longer in the picture. Jerk: cusses her out, talks bad about her to his friends, treats her with disrespect You go home and find her in bed with your best friend Nice: walks out and never comes back Assertive: gets a lawyer Jerk: kills
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