Dating "Amateur" models

[b52s]

With the onslaught of MySpace and Facebook, EVERY woman thinks they're a model.

 

THOUGH...I do have to admit, I have met a couple that could very well pass off as the real deal...but also, amatuers with min. wage jobs to pay the bills.

 

So modeling would not be a career for them, even though they're are aspring to be....but the competition is fierce, and of course I'm sure you've seen America's top model.

 

 

Most of their modeling gigs include just local (to their home town) Harley Davidson shows, and competing at local Hawaiian Tropic sponsored bikni contests at local pubs.

 

Some are even Hooters waitresses trying to "make it big" but chances are pretty slim.

 

They're all GREAT looking!! However, like I said....will probably wind up quitting the pursuit and get a real career (I know one gorgeous woman that just stopped doing that, and she's in her early 20's....and is going to Vet School and is getting married and settling down)

 

And age is a factor, some are older (around my dating age range), like I said gorgeous, but I think they most they can get out of it is just the local gigs.

 

That being said, ever date the kind of model I just described, and were they pretty good catches?

[Art_Critic]

Are you trying to equate that a catch is defined by looks ?

 

or that looks get you a catch ?

 

Something to think about.. looks don't mean anything in the catch department..

 

I've known hott women that have their act together and hott women that don't and are psycho.

 

I think you ought to start looking at the owman and her personality rather than her looks if you are looking for a catch..

The funny thing i that when you do that you wind up getting the hottie in the end.

[D-Jam]

I won't knock a girl for trying. Even if their highest success is just ending up in a local calendar for some business.

 

Come on...I started DJing in 1992, played clubs and raves with high hopes of bigger things, but it never happened. So I downplayed it to a fun hobby and was happy I built up a solid career in interactive design/development in the time while I was DJing.

 

If I was a young woman, out of high school, very very hot, and maybe I took some classes in the past on walking and posing, I'd give it a shot...especially if photographers are offering to do shoots and/or people asking me if I want to model.

 

However, I would still make sure there's a bigger plan for down the road when I am deemed "too old". That's the mistake many of these women make. They spend their days playing around on Myspace/Facebook and nights at the clubs, with occasional money made with local modeling, gogo dancing at clubs, and/or bartending/waiting tables at places. Suddenly they hit 25 and are deemed "too old" by the fashion industry and now wonder what the hell they are going to do with their lives. Some think they can find a sugar daddy but end up many times "pumped and dumped".

 

Is an amateur model good dating potential? The answer is it depends on the girl. If she's got a solid head on her shoulders, is serious about her life, has realistic backup plans for herself...PLUS...she's down-to-Earth and respects herself and you, then she's dating material.

 

If she's just partying and playing around in her 20s with no real goals for herself and no hard ambition on even the modeling thing, then in my book she's not good dating material. She's just not mature enough as an adult...regardless of her looks.

[b52s]

Are you trying to equate that a catch is defined by looks ?

 

or that looks get you a catch ?

 

Something to think about.. looks don't mean anything in the catch department..

 

I've known hott women that have their act together and hott women that don't and are psycho.

 

I think you ought to start looking at the owman and her personality rather than her looks if you are looking for a catch..

The funny thing i that when you do that you wind up getting the hottie in the end.

 

 

Yeah, but remember that song...

 

"If ya wanna be happy for the rest of your life, you CAN'T make a PRETTY woman your wife....

 

if you want my personal point of view, you get an ugly to marry you!"

 

 

THere's SOME truth to that song.

[betamanlet]

I would never ever want to be involved with a woman who uses her body to make money.

[b52s]

Unless she's a virgin, every woman's got a past.

If she makes you happy, who cares? Accept people (men and women) as they are. Don't judge them, lest you be judged.

 

Betamanlet's attitude is self-defeating.

 

Agreed, some people take modeling very seriously, and they aren't the same bimbos who do those wet T-shirt contests.

[betamanlet]

Unless she's a virgin, every woman's got a past.

If she makes you happy, who cares? Accept people (men and women) as they are. Don't judge them, lest you be judged.

 

Betamanlet's attitude is self-defeating.

 

 

????

 

Are you presuming that most if not all women use their bodies to make money? How is it self defeating to not not want someone who uses their mind instead of body to make money?

[Jersey Shortie]

So now we are critizing women for having aspirations and doing modeling even if they don't turn out to be the next Tyra?

 

You guys are really harsh on women. Cut us a break. It's like anything we do is grounds to critize us. It's more then a bit depresssing to hear thread after thread about how worthless women are to men.

 

However, I would still make sure there's a bigger plan for down the road when I am deemed "too old". That's the mistake many of these women make. They spend their days playing around on Myspace/Facebook and nights at the clubs, with occasional money made with local modeling, gogo dancing at clubs, and/or bartending/waiting tables at places. Suddenly they hit 25 and are deemed "too old" by the fashion industry and now wonder what the hell they are going to do with their lives. Some think they can find a sugar daddy but end up many times "pumped and dumped".

 

Compared to men in their early 20s that mess around on Myspace/facebook/xbox and then critize women for the same thing, then hit 40 and think they deserve the next new crop of 20 year olds. I am not saying that's you but I think the way you are talking about women here is really disrespectful. "pumped and dumped", what's that about? You would never say such a term about a guy. Because I guess women are just things to get pumped and men are just that much better. At least that sounds alot like what you are saying.

[b52s]

????

 

Are you presuming that most if not all women use their bodies to make money? How is it self defeating to not not want someone who uses their mind instead of body to make money?

 

 

Well, apparently this woman is happily married with 2 great kids....if you were to see them all together they look like a normal family

 

Pic 1

 

Pic 2

 

I think my point im driving at here is, I think those who take their careers / profession seriously.....you can count on them for even serious relationships as well.'

 

So youc an't possibly rule out just because they model or "show off their body" for money....makes them a bad deal.

 

So it probably depends on the situation.

[Kamille]

Lightbulb moment!

 

Now I understand why some of the men here hold such warped views of women if the main way they choose to meet women is through networking sites.

 

It is a means that is prone to superficiality since all you have to really market yourself are pictures.

 

Whatever happened to meeting people in real life anyway? Are my friends and I the only ones who still practice that technique? No wonder we're not jaded. There is something to be said for first meeting someone in person.

[betamanlet]

Well, apparently this woman is happily married with 2 great kids....if you were to see them all together they look like a normal family

 

Pic 1

 

Pic 2

 

I think my point im driving at here is, I think those who take their careers / profession seriously.....you can count on them for even serious relationships as well.'

 

So youc an't possibly rule out just because they model or "show off their body" for money....makes them a bad deal.

 

So it probably depends on the situation.

 

 

There are strippers, porn stars, and prostitutes who take their careers very seriously as well. They are still making money using their bodies, not their brains, which is also what a model does.

[b52s]

There are strippers, porn stars, and prostitutes who take their careers very seriously as well. They are still making money using their bodies, not their brains, which is also what a model does.

 

 

Well, that's only what she does part time, she actually spends the brain portion in her professional job that actually pays the bills.

 

Come on, one can't make an actual living using only their bodies, unless their actual prostitutes or exotic dancers.

[Vertex]

In defense of D-Jam, Shortie, I don't think that's what he's saying at all.

 

He's simply saying that an amateur model, like any other person going into a business that may have a short lifespan, should have the foresight to anticipate this potential change and have a backup plan. That is to say, it's never a good idea to put all your eggs into one basket only to have that basket go up in smoke. "Pumping and dumping" happens to the types of amateur models who don't plan ahead -- many of which get rejected by the business past their marketable prime and wind up devoid of marketable skills, leading them to attempt to leverage their position as a model (i.e. looks) to get ahead elsewhere, which may backfire tremendously.

 

There's absolutely nothing wrong with having dreams. There is a difference, though, between having a dream/taking intelligent steps towards that goal, and simply having grandiose dreams without the talents or efforts to make that dream come true (e.g. just sitting around hoping it'll happen). In the end, it all comes down to attitude and what kind of person they are. Even if someone was likely not going to be a successful model but still dreamed of becoming one, I'd date her if she had a good head on her shoulders and was overall an intelligent woman.

[b52s]

In defense of D-Jam, Shortie, I don't think that's what he's saying at all.

 

He's simply saying that an amateur model, like any other person going into a business that may have a short lifespan, should have the foresight to anticipate this potential change and have a backup plan. That is to say, it's never a good idea to put all your eggs into one basket only to have that basket go up in smoke. "Pumping and dumping" happens to the types of amateur models who don't plan ahead -- many of which get rejected by the business past their marketable prime and wind up devoid of marketable skills, leading them to attempt to leverage their position as a model (i.e. looks) to get ahead elsewhere, which may backfire tremendously.

 

There's absolutely nothing wrong with having dreams. There is a difference, though, between having a dream/taking intelligent steps towards that goal, and simply having grandiose dreams without the talents or efforts to make that dream come true (e.g. just sitting around hoping it'll happen). In the end, it all comes down to attitude and what kind of person they are. Even if someone was likely not going to be a successful model but still dreamed of becoming one, I'd date her if she had a good head on her shoulders and was overall an intelligent woman.

 

 

Right, I know a 30 year old model, very beautiful...but realizes that she is going back to college to get a degree and a real job...because a modeling job isn't going to cut it all the way to pay the bills.

[Vertex]

I'd say modeling is just as legitimate of a job as any other -- not sure why you refer to it as something other than a "real job," but it is true that if a job isn't enough to provide you with the stability and income necessary to pay the bills and expenses, it's usually a good idea to invest in yourself and either pursue more education or find another line of work.

[Jersey Shortie]

Vertex, you prettied it up but it's the same message. Lets keep on critizing women for everything they do and then chalk them up to being worthy only of "pumping and dumping" because after all, that's what women deserve right? Or least a certain type of women as some of you described. The type of women you are all judging of being less worthy of respect or caring because she didn't settle down when she was 20.

 

I don't see threads from other men sitting here critizing men or making up derogotory commentary about how they deserve to get treated for not having their own back u plans and being sucessful. We aren't putting other men to the chopping block for poor life choices as we continually seem to do towards women. We are all very eager to critize women and use humilating terms such as "pump and dump" to describe how we think a woman that doesn't measure up to our standards deserve to get treated.

 

I'm so sick of not ever hearing anything good about women from the guys here. Its enough to want to make a girl pull the covers over her head and never go out on another date again. Who needs to be so throughly disrsepected and critized for not fitting into some perfect modle of successful woman/super hot sex kitten.

 

I know you guys don't like to think of women in terms of human beings but we are. We make mistakes but we aren't deserving of being used and tossed aside for not always making perfect choices. There is some sick glee in this thread that follows the line of, "well if these women don't make it, then they deserve what they get and it's okay if the big strong man "pumps and dumps" her, that's all she proved she is worth". Who are you guys to say that? Who are you to claim your so perfect in all your life choices? It's really disturbing the level of critization we seem think women deserve when none of those same judgements are being made of men. Not one of you would EVER have said "he's worthy of being being taken for his money and tossed aside'. But you all think its okay to make references that a woman is worhty of being used for sex and tossed aside. At least us women know where we stand. Which is apparently 3 steps behind men.

[stillafool]

Well, apparently this woman is happily married with 2 great kids....if you were to see them all together they look like a normal family

 

Pic 1

 

Pic 2

 

I think my point im driving at here is, I think those who take their careers / profession seriously.....you can count on them for even serious relationships as well.'

 

So youc an't possibly rule out just because they model or "show off their body" for money....makes them a bad deal.

 

So it probably depends on the situation.

 

 

Those pics aren't my idea of modeling. I think Vogue, Bazaar, runway, high fashion. Those type of pics are porn to me.

[Yukikazi]

Vertex, you prettied it up but it's the same message. Lets keep on critizing women for everything they do and then chalk them up to being worthy only of "pumping and dumping" because after all, that's what women deserve right? Or least a certain type of women as some of you described. The type of women you are all judging of being less worthy of respect or caring because she didn't settle down when she was 20.

 

I don't see threads from other men sitting here critizing men or making up derogotory commentary about how they deserve to get treated for not having their own back u plans and being sucessful. We aren't putting other men to the chopping block for poor life choices as we continually seem to do towards women. We are all very eager to critize women and use humilating terms such as "pump and dump" to describe how we think a woman that doesn't measure up to our standards deserve to get treated.

 

I'm so sick of not ever hearing anything good about women from the guys here. Its enough to want to make a girl pull the covers over her head and never go out on another date again. Who needs to be so throughly disrsepected and critized for not fitting into some perfect modle of successful woman/super hot sex kitten.

 

I know you guys don't like to think of women in terms of human beings but we are. We make mistakes but we aren't deserving of being used and tossed aside for not always making perfect choices. There is some sick glee in this thread that follows the line of, "well if these women don't make it, then they deserve what they get and it's okay if the big strong man "pumps and dumps" her, that's all she proved she is worth". Who are you guys to say that? Who are you to claim your so perfect in all your life choices? It's really disturbing the level of critization we seem think women deserve when none of those same judgements are being made of men. Not one of you would EVER have said "he's worthy of being being taken for his money and tossed aside'. But you all think its okay to make references that a woman is worhty of being used for sex and tossed aside. At least us women know where we stand. Which is apparently 3 steps behind men.

 

1. Women as just as guilty of judging men shallowly for not being an adonis or brad pitt... this has been proven in a few threads here and all over the world.. its proven.. both sides are guilty.

2. I don't believe the "pumping and dumping" in this case referred to using women for sex.. it was more how the modeling industry treats wannabe models. Don't bring sex into the discussion when it dosen't belong.

 

Yes all men think of women as nothing but a hole with a pair of legs attached.. omg grow up a little. Don't generalize all men together as you have zero way of knowing how 99% of the men out there truly are. Not all of us are sleezy sex addicted creeps.. Most of us are just sex addicted.. BUT that's not the point.

If you don't want us to "thoroughly disrespect and criticize" those that don't fall into your sex kitten mold.. then kindly do us the same favor and not lump us all into the sadomasochistic douche bags you truly want to vent against.

[Vertex]

Vertex, you prettied it up but it's the same message. Lets keep on critizing women for everything they do and then chalk them up to being worthy only of "pumping and dumping" because after all, that's what women deserve right? Or least a certain type of women as some of you described. The type of women you are all judging of being less worthy of respect or caring because she didn't settle down when she was 20.

 

I don't see threads from other men sitting here critizing men or making up derogotory commentary about how they deserve to get treated for not having their own back u plans and being sucessful. We aren't putting other men to the chopping block for poor life choices as we continually seem to do towards women. We are all very eager to critize women and use humilating terms such as "pump and dump" to describe how we think a woman that doesn't measure up to our standards deserve to get treated.

 

I'm so sick of not ever hearing anything good about women from the guys here. Its enough to want to make a girl pull the covers over her head and never go out on another date again. Who needs to be so throughly disrsepected and critized for not fitting into some perfect modle of successful woman/super hot sex kitten.

 

I know you guys don't like to think of women in terms of human beings but we are. We make mistakes but we aren't deserving of being used and tossed aside for not always making perfect choices. There is some sick glee in this thread that follows the line of, "well if these women don't make it, then they deserve what they get and it's okay if the big strong man "pumps and dumps" her, that's all she proved she is worth". Who are you guys to say that? Who are you to claim your so perfect in all your life choices? It's really disturbing the level of critization we seem think women deserve when none of those same judgements are being made of men. Not one of you would EVER have said "he's worthy of being being taken for his money and tossed aside'. But you all think its okay to make references that a woman is worhty of being used for sex and tossed aside. At least us women know where we stand. Which is apparently 3 steps behind men.

 

I feel like you're making generalizations and assuming that we're saying things that we're not. By no means are we assuming that "all women in this category deserve to be pumped and dumped" or that "women are less deserving of respect," etc.

 

The "pumping and dumping" is more an empirical statement. When some people pursue a particular career path and wind up shorthanded, they take alternative routes that result in being less than savory if they lack marketable skills in other areas. It has nothing to do with our opinions of whether or not a girl "deserves" poor treatment. Men are not exempt from this either. People who make poor life choices usually end up having poor outcomes.

 

I echo Yukikazi on the last point he made: If you don't want men to generalize about women, it's usually a good idea to start by not making generalizations about men. None of us have implied that people deserve poor treatment or that men are trying to keep women down.