FilthMerchant Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 People are free to change their mind but that applies to men as well. This is why men need to have a rock solid prenup which they look at with a lawyer and if she won't sign it you do not marry her. Any women who will not sign a prenup should be looked at as shady. If a man is rich he also needs to have a Swiss bank account just in case. There needs to be some assets she can't touch. He also needs to be able to go to war in divorce court if he has to. People ask me how I got out of my first marriage keeping the house and not owing her a dime and I say it is because my lawyer and I were ready to go to war like we were storing Normandy beach. The lesson is that by letting women know you are not sucker from the start you greatly decrease your chances of getting played. Women know when they see a sucker and they know when they see a man who is hip to their game and unless they have good intentions they will pass over the latter. Hehe, I am trying to convince my law student buddy to take a course in divorce law
aerogurl87 Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 I can agree with that only if it applies to you cheating as well. Yep, well cheating is cheating. I cheat on him and he has the right to take me out to the cleaners. I have no problem with that.
betamanlet Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 Hehe, I am trying to convince my law student buddy to take a course in divorce law It's called family law, and it revolves around the concept of "in the best interests of the child"
betamanlet Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 Yep, well cheating is cheating. I cheat on him and he has the right to take me out to the cleaners. I have no problem with that. But the reality is that few women marry up. So the woman is going to be earning less than the guy, so if she cheats, she doesn't get taken to the cleaners.
Woggle Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 The fact that we had no children might be a reason why I did not not oqe my ex a thing. The judge was a woman as well so it is even more of a shocker.
aerogurl87 Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 But the reality is that few women marry up. So the woman is going to be earning less than the guy, so if she cheats, she doesn't get taken to the cleaners. Well betamanlet, if a man divorces a woman and takes the house, all the cars, and most of the money I don't care if she is making less than him, she's still going to lose alot of the lifestyle she was used to. Thus she will be getting taken to the cleaners. And I think you meant that "the reality is that few women marry down". Lots of women marry up, it's what they've been taught to do for centuries.
Woggle Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 A lot of famous women marry down. I know this is not a good thing but part of me was cheering K-Fed on when he was taking Britney to the cleaners especially since at the time the judge had good reason for giving him custody.
betamanlet Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 Well betamanlet, if a man divorces a woman and takes the house, all the cars, and most of the money I don't care if she is making less than him, she's still going to lose alot of the lifestyle she was used to. Thus she will be getting taken to the cleaners. And I think you meant that "the reality is that few women marry down". Lots of women marry up, it's what they've been taught to do for centuries. How will Tiger Wood's wife lose her lifestyle? Before she met himm, she was a nanny. She's aiming for $300 million. Is marriage really worth that many millions of dollars? Did she do anything to earn it? My parents weren't rich, and I sitll had babysitters, day care, etc.. Should they get millions if my parents divorce? Yes, women are taught to marry up, hence why divorce is inequitable because the courts take into account lifestyle. If you meet a poor woman, marry her, she's entitled to live the same lifestyle even after she cheats on you.
betamanlet Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 A lot of famous women marry down. I know this is not a good thing but part of me was cheering K-Fed on when he was taking Britney to the cleaners especially since at the time the judge had good reason for giving him custody. One example is a lot? The reason why the marriage rate is declining, is not because men are refusing to get married, but because more and more women are making more money than men, but still wanting to marry up.
FilthMerchant Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 (edited) The reason marriage is a shambles is because women don't understand commitment. 70% of divorce or some crap like that is initiated by women. 'My feelings have changed' is enough of a reason for most women to get a divorce. Next time a woman complains about guys being commitment-phobes I am throwing my drink in her face haha Another/part of the same reason is there's a double standard going on here. Guys are expected to be loyal and stick to their guns and choices, women are granted freedom to change their mind. Honour is a system that works well but if you step outside it, you can easily manipulate it. Women of course step outside of and manipulate it. Ever heard a woman say 'Be a man and pay my bills/marry me'? Ever heard a man say 'Be a woman and suck my dick/take it in the ass' and get away with it? There was a case recently of some 50 year old guy who got banned from an online dating site because he kept meeting up with people, having sex with them a few times, and dumping them. Of course, he must be a player who is only using online dating to get laid more. On the other hand, if a woman does the exact same thing 'aww, poor girl just hasn't found her Mr. Right yet!' A guy comes home to find his wife and mother of children getting railed on his bed by some other dude. He's expected to stick around 'for the kids'. Reverse that situation and the philandering husband goes straight to divorce court and gets railed out of everything he owns because he's a toxic force in the household that doesn't honour his commitment to his wife and children. I could write for the rest of the afternoon on this. Other people have already written longer and better pieces on marriage elsewhere. It is ****ed... still they refuse to grant homosexuals the right to marry as if it challenges the integrity of the institution. At this point you might as well let people marry animals and corpses if they want Edit: Don't say that the reason it is the way it is, is because 'women marry up'. They've been marrying up since the dawn of humanity. I don't at all have a problem with this because it is natural and a given. It is their instinct. The reason it worked all the way up to the second half of the 20th century is because women did not have the 'divorce and continue your new lifestyle' option, and because they were raised with ideas of honour and virtue. Feminism comes along and tells us that honour and virtue are patriarchal (I'll give them that, after all virtue does literally mean manliness - look it up) and restrict women's freedom. But they insist on men retaining those same responsibilitiess else they would not be able to take the advantage and exploit men. Anyone who is successful with women does not trust them. Because we see that if we hold women to the same standards as we hold men, they fail worse than dogs do. Edited December 23, 2009 by FilthMerchant
meerkat stew Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 One example is a lot? The reason why the marriage rate is declining, is not because men are refusing to get married, but because more and more women are making more money than men, but still wanting to marry up. It's declining based on many reasons, two of which are the ones you mention.
aerogurl87 Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 How will Tiger Wood's wife lose her lifestyle? Before she met himm, she was a nanny. She's aiming for $300 million. Is marriage really worth that many millions of dollars? Did she do anything to earn it? My parents weren't rich, and I sitll had babysitters, day care, etc.. Should they get millions if my parents divorce? Yes, women are taught to marry up, hence why divorce is inequitable because the courts take into account lifestyle. If you meet a poor woman, marry her, she's entitled to live the same lifestyle even after she cheats on you. Well Tiger Woods' wife deserves to ring Tiger dry. He cheated on her with not one, not two, but an estimated 9 women! I'm sorry but if you cheat that many times you deserve what's coming to you. On a side note, I believe his wife came from a very affluent family so she probably was used to living a luxurious lifestyle before they got married. Also she raised his kids while he was out getting his rocks off with whores and she had the lives of her and her children interrupted by the media when the tabloids caught wind of his extramarital activities. Imagine the psychological impact that is going to have on those kids later on in life. Hearing about how their father cheated on their mother with so many different women and then also knowing that the whole WORLD knows about it. So yeah she deserves to take his $300 million and never look back.
InspiredbyYou Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 Well Tiger Woods' wife deserves to ring Tiger dry. He cheated on her with not one, not two, but an estimated 9 women! Make that 14, but not like I'm counting or anything... I was at dinner the other night and some of the men at the table were saying, 'serves her right what did she expect marrying him?' I was shocked and so appalled that even when it is clearly the man who is in the fault women are still being accused of deserving what they are getting. Then I asked what the reasoning behind such a heinous comment could possibly be, the response: 'c'mon a guy like that without money would never ever get a hot chick like that, she clearly married him for his money so don't be shocked that now this guy with money is off wanting other chicks' It still made no sense to me why this was considered HER fault. Then a couple of days ago I read that she is having second thoughts about divorcing him, she may be staying after all to work things out. If this is true I owe those guys an apology, they were right. They knew exactly what they were talking about.
Hi.P.O'Crit Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 Something that a few seem to forget is that Tiger's wife did contribute to his fortune. He banked on the family image. He used that image to get plenty of endorsements. So, yes she should get a sizable portion of his fortune.
InspiredbyYou Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 Something that a few seem to forget is that Tiger's wife did contribute to his fortune. He banked on the family image. He used that image to get plenty of endorsements. So' date=' yes she should get a sizable portion of his fortune.[/quote'] I totally agree with that, and that is also my argument. The idea that this woman should walk away with her mouth shut and tail between her legs is ridiculous to me when she did in fact help him to create that image. She should definitely sink him. I have a problem with the fact that she is now contemplating staying with a known serial cheater, that seems really weak. I bet a guy would never ever do that if the roles where reversed, men seem to have more integrity in this respect which is sort of ironic because those same guys would probably lose that same integrity if given an opportunity to be unfaithful. I guess maybe integrity is not the word but perhaps, men have bigger egos or more pride in this respect.
meerkat stew Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 Something that a few seem to forget is that Tiger's wife did contribute to his fortune. He banked on the family image. He used that image to get plenty of endorsements. So' date=' yes she should get a sizable portion of his fortune.[/quote'] And had he stayed single, he would have gotten the swinging single superstar product endorsements. I am no sports fan, and know almost nothing of this situation and his cheating, but do know that Tiger Woods was heading for a completely full dance card of the highest possible level of endorsements regardless of whether he married or not.
Woggle Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 Chances are Tiger's wife is a goldigger and never did love him anyway. I also think that many men think like me where they know women would be treating Tiger as the victim if he were a woman cheating. I guess people tend to side with their own.
BUENG1 Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 Something that a few seem to forget is that Tiger's wife did contribute to his fortune. He banked on the family image. He used that image to get plenty of endorsements. So' date=' yes she should get a sizable portion of his fortune.[/quote'] Thats quite a stretch. Tiger Woods was the best golfer ever way before Elin came along. But I'm not shedding any tears for Tiger
stillafool Posted December 24, 2009 Posted December 24, 2009 Men marry because we love the woman and think she loves us. Too often we find out that that is not always the case but by then it is too late. Well Woggle, that is the same reason women marry. So you agree men marry because they want to not because they have to. No one is making them get married.
Woggle Posted December 24, 2009 Posted December 24, 2009 Well Woggle, that is the same reason women marry. So you agree men marry because they want to not because they have to. No one is making them get married. No makes us get married but women often oresent a false image before marriage then do a total 180.
Left in a Lurch Posted December 24, 2009 Posted December 24, 2009 I totally agree with that, and that is also my argument. The idea that this woman should walk away with her mouth shut and tail between her legs is ridiculous to me when she did in fact help him to create that image. She should definitely sink him. I have a problem with the fact that she is now contemplating staying with a known serial cheater, that seems really weak. I bet a guy would never ever do that if the roles where reversed, men seem to have more integrity in this respect which is sort of ironic because those same guys would probably lose that same integrity if given an opportunity to be unfaithful. I guess maybe integrity is not the word but perhaps, men have bigger egos or more pride in this respect. Well Tiger Woods made his own money a long time ago, and I agree she should get something, but $300 million is crazy. I don't get the whole, "You married a rich guy so you are guaranteed to live the lifestyle for life", while if Tiger loses all his endorsements and earning power his lifestyle drops, but hers is covered. Honestly, would she on her own merits be worth more than $5 million over the next decade? If Tiger never met her, would his talent or marketability be any less? The whole "lifestyle" thing is bs, because lifestyles change with the circumstances day to day and many people live beyond their means and their lifestyle is debt and late fees and overdrafts, but in divorce court it's more about assets than what you could/can truely afford. As far as kids go, if I made $500 million it does not mean as a parent I will just give the kid a fortune and not teach him to build a life based on his own merits. If they stayed married would they necessarily say, "here kid, you're set for life", or would they teach the kids the value of money, hard work, and earning your lot in life? To me, guaranteeing those kids a $300 million lifestyle is not exactly in the best interests of developing contributing members of society. Not defending Tiger because I think he probably deserves what he gets and I can't say I blame his wife if she goes after him if face value holds up, but a lot of people are passing judgement and for all anyone knows they had an open marriage, or she slept with 15 other guys, or she takes drugs, or beats their kids, or she gets off on him being with other women, or she is completely frigid, or he got in the accident after catching her in bed with 6 dudes.... You never know what happens between 2 people behind closed doors and the nicest, sweetest people can do some of the worst things that outsiders would never expect. Plus anyone who would admit to the media they had an affair with him voluntarily, loses a ton of credibility in my book. Either they are attention whores or have zero shame which doesn't say much for them as credible sources.
InspiredbyYou Posted December 24, 2009 Posted December 24, 2009 (edited) @ChatroomHero no of course he would have made money regardless of her being in his life, he is the star and athlete not her. However he did play off the "family man" image to get all those huge sponsored deals, and he was marketed as a devoted clean cut family guy. Meanwhile he has been doing every porn tart in sight. He lied not only to his wife but he lied to the public. He's taken faking an image to a whole new level of farce. Tough cookies she should get more than she deserves, you know why she deserves all that money? Because she did not deserve to be publicly humiliated like that by not only ending their marriage due to his inability to keep his pecker in his pants, he humiliated her in front the whole world. She deserves to get his money and much more in compensation, she deserves to get him where it would hurt most. I just don't understand why guys like that even bother getting married, he could have a lifetime of supply of free pussy of every shape color and size, all over the world, so why bother committing to one woman to make children and drag innocent little lives into your web of lies? Take George Clooney for instance, the guy is an eternal bachelor, he knows he cant be tied down he knows he does not want commitment I have all the respect in the world for him, he made a choice and he is living his life according to his word. Not like so many other men who live a life of shambles. What is even better is some women feel "honored that they were good enough to have someone want to marry them" I read that comment in some thread around here recently, and then a few years later they end up divorced because these same men ended up doing them in and cheating on them with everything that moved. Some people's idea of honor is weak and it makes you wonder what happened to these people growing up that they feel they should settle for so little. Edited December 24, 2009 by InspiredbyYou
betamanlet Posted December 24, 2009 Posted December 24, 2009 @ChatroomHero no of course he would have made money regardless of her being in his life, he is the star and athlete not her. However he did play off the "family man" image to get all those huge sponsored deals, and he was marketed as a devoted clean cut family guy. Meanwhile he has been doing every porn tart in sight. He lied not only to his wife but he lied to the public. He's taken faking an image to a whole new level of farce. Tough cookies she should get more than she deserves, you know why she deserves all that money? Because she did not deserve to be publicly humiliated like that by not only ending their marriage due to his inability to keep his pecker in his pants, he humiliated her in front the whole world. She deserves to get his money and much more in compensation, she deserves to get him where it would hurt most. I just don't understand why guys like that even bother getting married, he could have a lifetime of supply of free pussy of every shape color and size, all over the world, so why bother committing to one woman to make children and drag innocent little lives into your web of lies? Take George Clooney for instance, the guy is an eternal bachelor, he knows he cant be tied down he knows he does not want commitment I have all the respect in the world for him, he made a choice and he is living his life according to his word. Not like so many other men who live a life of shambles. What is even better is some women feel "honored that they were good enough to have someone want to marry them" I read that comment in some thread around here recently, and then a few years later they end up divorced because these same men ended up doing them in and cheating on them with everything that moved. Some people's idea of honor is weak and it makes you wonder what happened to these people growing up that they feel they should settle for so little. And I bet you Clooney only has sex in the bathroom so he can immediately flush the condom down the toilet so she cannot use it to get pregnant and get child support from him.
InspiredbyYou Posted December 24, 2009 Posted December 24, 2009 And I bet you Clooney only has sex in the bathroom so he can immediately flush the condom down the toilet so she cannot use it to get pregnant and get child support from him. Well at least if that's true, good for him for taking fate into his own hands. Not like some losers who throw caution to the wind in the throes of passion who are too stupid to slap on a condom and then complain that they were "entrapped" into having a baby by a woman they met a few weeks ago at the bar. Duuuuh!
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