Fine line between gold-digging girlfriend vs. prostitute

[ordinary_girl]

She's not a model, she's was a nanny. She's a regular person who got by on her looks and married a rich guy. She might have worked a DAY as a model, and so has an ex girlfriend of mine, but being a model for a day doesn't make you a "model". She was nothing but a babysitter.

 

I don't see how this is supporting your argument. the point is he married someone who was young, had not accomplished anything in her life, probably because he wanted a blonde chick as a trophy wife.

 

you get what you pay for. a trophy wife who will take you to the cleaners. he deserves it

[betamanlet]

I don't see how this is supporting your argument. the point is he married someone who was young, had not accomplished anything in her life, probably because he wanted a blonde chick as a trophy wife.

 

you get what you pay for. a trophy wife who will take you to the cleaners. he deserves it

 

 

The same should apply to her then.

 

Are you going to say that the next woman to marry Donald trump shouldn't have expected he would divorce her after she loses her looks and gets a newer model?

 

If you marry a rich and nfamous guy, they are appealing to wmoen, so you're going to get cheated on, you know this going in, so I don't feel bad for them. If you don't want this, don't marry a rich, powerful guy.

[stillafool]

Man, apparently this is a BOOMING industry, esp. with the internet and all. BUT.....you'd be surprised how many "average" women do this for the extra money.

 

Some are even soccer moms, but not surprisingly college girls turn into prostitutes instead of working as a cashier at a Wal-Mart for the extra cash.

 

SOME are even professional women, like the one interviewed was apparently a HIGH -END hooker.....that was a career woman that decided to do it for a couple of years. She was attracted to the idea of being "rebellious" and figured she'd give it a shot and prostitute herself to professional millionaire men.

 

Then, apparently what caught my attention, prostitutes have certain "themes" their clients can pay for.....the famous one was the "Girlfriend Experience"

 

Apparently, it's more than just being a prostitute, but acting interested in the guy who is with them.....then what really kind of surprised me is that even the prostitute must have some kind of "chemistry" with said male client in this setting.

 

Sometimes the clients even buy prostitutes gifts.

 

That being said, I often wonder if there's a fine line between prostitution in this case...or just a girlfriend who is a gold digger.

 

Think about it....ever watch that reality show with the rich housewives of Orange County California?

 

It was funny, I was watching it with my dad, and he says you might as well be marrying a prostitute. Because they're only in it for the money.

 

But, I often wonder how often their husbands get sex. lol...NOW that they're married.

 

Anyhow, back to reiterating my point.....isn't there a fine line between gold-digging girlfriend vs. a prostitute?

 

I actually knew a friend's wife who had a sister that wasn't necessarily a prostitute....but might as well have been.....it was more of a bartering system.

 

He'd buy her a car, she'd give him sex. A non-prostitute prostituting herself.

 

Again...fine line, right??

 

 

"The Girlfriend Experience" I watched that movie a couple of weeks ago. I couldn't believe how desperate the guys were who paid her. The prostitute was gorgeous and could probably have any guy she wanted. It really says more about the men than the women when they can only marry or have sex if they are paying a huge fiancial price. They are getting what they paid for out of it so I don't feel sorry for them.

[ordinary_girl]

The same should apply to her then.

 

Are you going to say that the next woman to marry Donald trump shouldn't have expected he would divorce her after she loses her looks and gets a newer model?

 

If you marry a rich and nfamous guy, they are appealing to wmoen, so you're going to get cheated on, you know this going in, so I don't feel bad for them. If you don't want this, don't marry a rich, powerful guy.

 

I know pre-nups are not 100% solution but they must be the way to go for anyone rich.

 

I'm sure there are a lot of rich, powerful guys out there that are decent. I don't hear anyone complaining about Bill Gates (from his marrital point of view I mean).

 

to tell you the truth these things don't bother me the slightest. I feel so sorry for people that have screwed up lives like this that no matter how much money they have or how many people they bedded I wouldn't swap with them ever. there is something f****d up about those that can't commit to one person.

 

let shallow, stupid idiots destroy eachother. who cares

[silic0ntoad]

I know pre-nups are not 100% solution but they must be the way to go for anyone rich.

 

I'm sure there are a lot of rich, powerful guys out there that are decent. I don't hear anyone complaining about Bill Gates (from his marrital point of view I mean).

 

to tell you the truth these things don't bother me the slightest. I feel so sorry for people that have screwed up lives like this that no matter how much money they have or how many people they bedded I wouldn't swap with them ever. there is something f****d up about those that can't commit to one person.

 

let shallow, stupid idiots destroy eachother. who cares

 

 

The problem is that it doesn't just happen in hollywood or the ritzy circle. I know a guy in PA who's wife cheated on him. He filed divorce. She ended up with the kids, the house, and 70% alimony pay. He had to get a second job to just have enough to rent a tiny 1 bdr apt and buy a 1979 ford pickup.

 

Justice, no? He did nothing wrong. She took him to the cleaners. Yet everyone in her circle "Understands what she went through in a loveless marriage."

 

GTFO.

 

If I were him, at the court hearing, I would have simply put my fists out, face up, and told them to take me away. I would flat out refuse to pay for anyone else to live, especially if I was wronged, had proof, and it didn't matter. She was able to prove negligence on his behalf and suffering through the years they were married.

 

What a waste. Marriage is a ruined industry. And industry for gold diggers, the socially insecure, and the crazy.

[FilthMerchant]

Well, I do not think you can put a price on carrying a baby for 9 months and giving birth to it....and she did it two times too! I know people who pay thousands and thousands of dollars for surrogate mothers plus the cost of prenatal care.... and every single one of these parents-to-be say, there really is no dollar amount for bringing a child into this world. The courts, of course have tried... but how can anyone ever really assign a dollar amount to the risks a woman takes each time she conceives and carries the baby to term-granted most pregnancies have no complications , still...it is a risk and life/lives are at stake.

 

Plus, Elin was humiliated. I do not know if she married Tiger Woods for money-at least she was faithful to him, by all accounts....the least he could do, is to make her life easy and comfortable...

 

I could have agreed with you had her true colours not been revealed when she asked him to quit golf. That is just nonsensical. He was cheating when he was taking a break for golf, and she wants him to quit his passion because that is going to help their marriage? What terrible reasoning.

 

She wants to have her cake and eat it too. She wants the big money from him being a pro-golfer but she doesn't like that he has to go and earn it. I haven't read about the situation since she gave him the 'quit golf or im leaving' ultimatum and he agreed, but if he's back with her and quit, she is going to divorce him in a few years time, cheat on him a little bit in the meantime, and get a far larger settlement.

[Sam Spade]

Well, I do not think you can put a price on carrying a baby for 9 months and giving birth to it....and she did it two times too! I know people who pay thousands and thousands of dollars for surrogate mothers plus the cost of prenatal care.... and every single one of these parents-to-be say, there really is no dollar amount for bringing a child into this world. The courts, of course have tried... but how can anyone ever really assign a dollar amount to the risks a woman takes each time she conceives and carries the baby to term-granted most pregnancies have no complications , still...it is a risk and life/lives are at stake.

 

Plus, Elin was humiliated. I do not know if she married Tiger Woods for money-at least she was faithful to him, by all accounts....the least he could do, is to make her life easy and comfortable...

 

 

Of course you can put a price on it. It's being done every day (and that's why you have a thriving surrogate moms business).

 

The price is whatever the current market price for a surrogate mom is, adjusted for cost of living.

 

Just because a mother feels that her particular child is priceless, doesn't mean that this is true from social point of view.

 

Plus, she will take the kids anyway, why should she be compensated? Leave the kids with him, and THEN ask for compensation .

[BobSacamento]

Man, apparently this is a BOOMING industry, esp. with the internet and all. BUT.....you'd be surprised how many "average" women do this for the extra money.

 

Some are even soccer moms, but not surprisingly college girls turn into prostitutes instead of working as a cashier at a Wal-Mart for the extra cash.

 

SOME are even professional women, like the one interviewed was apparently a HIGH -END hooker.....that was a career woman that decided to do it for a couple of years. She was attracted to the idea of being "rebellious" and figured she'd give it a shot and prostitute herself to professional millionaire men.

 

Then, apparently what caught my attention, prostitutes have certain "themes" their clients can pay for.....the famous one was the "Girlfriend Experience"

 

Apparently, it's more than just being a prostitute, but acting interested in the guy who is with them.....then what really kind of surprised me is that even the prostitute must have some kind of "chemistry" with said male client in this setting.

 

Sometimes the clients even buy prostitutes gifts.

 

That being said, I often wonder if there's a fine line between prostitution in this case...or just a girlfriend who is a gold digger.

 

Think about it....ever watch that reality show with the rich housewives of Orange County California?

 

It was funny, I was watching it with my dad, and he says you might as well be marrying a prostitute. Because they're only in it for the money.

 

But, I often wonder how often their husbands get sex. lol...NOW that they're married.

 

Anyhow, back to reiterating my point.....isn't there a fine line between gold-digging girlfriend vs. a prostitute?

 

I actually knew a friend's wife who had a sister that wasn't necessarily a prostitute....but might as well have been.....it was more of a bartering system.

 

He'd buy her a car, she'd give him sex. A non-prostitute prostituting herself.

 

Again...fine line, right??

 

Best thread topic I've seen on here in long time. Kudos.

 

Couldn't agree with you more. I think the saddest cases are the ones where the person doesn't even realize they are in this type of situation.

[meerkat stew]

Well, I do not think you can put a price on carrying a baby for 9 months and giving birth to it....and she did it two times too!

 

Agreed, and one price in particular I could not put on it would be $150 million per pop.

 

 

Plus, Elin was humiliated. I do not know if she married Tiger Woods for money-at least she was faithful to him, by all accounts....the least he could do, is to make her life easy and comfortable...

 

$5 million would do that in spades, and overcompensate her for the humiliation to boot.

[stillafool]

Well if men really feel this way about women - why do they marry? Why don't men just stay single, hire a maid and cook and screw only prostitutes? Men act as if they are dragged kicking and screaming to the altar.

[betamanlet]

Well if men really feel this way about women - why do they marry? Why don't men just stay single, hire a maid and cook and screw only prostitutes? Men act as if they are dragged kicking and screaming to the altar.

 

 

Celebrities would face lots of blackmail, false rape accusations, deliberate pregnancies, etc, to get at their money. Men don't screw prostitutes because it's illegal. You have the conservatives and the feminists both against it because the feminists know that wealth redistribution from divorce is a bigger money maker, and conservatives are against sex for fun.

[stillafool]

Celebrities would face lots of blackmail, false rape accusations, deliberate pregnancies, etc, to get at their money. Men don't screw prostitutes because it's illegal.

 

They don't? Men are doing it right now as we speak.

 

You have the conservatives and the feminists both against it because the feminists know that wealth redistribution from divorce is a bigger money maker, and conservatives are against sex for fun.

 

So What? They still don't have to marry. It isn't illegal to not marry so why do they marry?

[tkgirl]

Best thread topic I've seen on here in long time. Kudos.

 

Couldn't agree with you more. I think the saddest cases are the ones where the person doesn't even realize they are in this type of situation.

 

ALL of these situations are the saddest... geez!

 

it's like all about the money... forget about love... what a sad, empty, and lonely existance...

 

... this thread is hella depressing

[Jersey Shortie]

Truth be told , most of you don't make enough money to warrent a woman to be after it. Now someone like Hugh Heffner can make claims to gold-diggin women. Some of you are flattering yourselves thinking that you have to wathc out for gold-diggers.

 

With saying that, let me ask all the guys on this thread this:

 

A.) What would you like women to do ? Not take anything, gift or money wise from a man to prove that she infact does like him? That any token given to a woman makes her a money grubbing hussy?

 

 

B.) How come it's okay for men to choose women based on their looks and you all deem that okay but the second women are turned on by money, you call them nasty names?

 

Women are biologically programmed to seek men that will support them and protect them. When we've come to a point in time when men don't even watn to support or protect women anymore, it's certainly a sad time. I think all this name calling about "gold diggers" is about your own personal insecurities. Women do like money. But just because we have sex with yuo and you buy us dinner, doesn't make us "gold -diggers". It's actually biologically INTELLIGENT for a woman to make sure a man will provide and share his resources with her. If you dont' want to share your resources, then hook up with Scrooge.

[espec10001]

So What? They still don't have to marry. It isn't illegal to not marry so why do they marry?

 

Why do men marry? Because they worship the female. They get down on one knee and ask for permission to continue life. As man holds his Soul, his Sun, his Seed, the woman cannot reproduce unless she has the Seed, his Soul. The brighter a man's Soul burns, the more a woman wants it.

 

The man offers the woman his Soul, and in return, what does the woman offer the man? Traditionally it was sex, the ability to produce children and raise them.

 

The intelligent woman should withhold sex until marriage, if she wishes to produce strong and willful offspring. Because unfortunately, as powerful and beautiful as woman are, they do not have the Seed in them, they must get it from a man. They are half of the equation, not all of it.

 

And thus this is why women with desirable attributes will always be picky because they want strong seed to produce strong children. A man with the strongest resistance will gain the ability to plant the most seeds.

[meerkat stew]

Some of you are flattering yourselves thinking that you have to wathc out for gold-diggers.

 

The problem with gold-diggers is not really so much about their demands on their BF's/husband's money, but the fact that they are completely mercenary, always looking for upgrades, will leave a relationship solely for the reason that they think they can do better financially, all the while lying about what it is they really want in life, when in actuality it's all about money. All men are placeholders for these types, steps to the next level.

 

Women who have been traded in for a younger, more beautiful model after giving a man their best years know what this feels like. The difference is that gold-digging women are accepted, and remain completely unaccountable for their bad actions, it is almost expected because it is such a pervasive attitude of many women. Men who leave their wives for younger women are usually held accountable to some extent.

 

 

A.) What would you like women to do ?

 

Not fawn so obviously over money, status, celebrity, luxury, brand names in almost every aspect of their lives. Men do this to some extent, but not nearly to the extent women do. Not throw themselves at money so blatantly and obviously. If you are one of the minority who don't do this, good for you. Realize, though (and despite all kinds of rationalization and dissimulation you already -know- this), that you are in the minority. Most women crave money and are obvious about it, regardless of rationalizations like "we want to be protected" (please...).

 

B.) How come it's okay for men to choose women based on their looks and you all deem that okay but the second women are turned on by money, you call them nasty names?

 

One reason is that choosing a beautiful woman does not imply taking what belongs to someone else as gold-digging does. Another is that men are more honest about what they want from the start, and once they settle on a woman, aren't as apt to continue searching for an upgrade as women are. Many women will espouse a laundry list of virtues they want in a man, and once they get that, will toss that man over in an instant if enough money is flashed in their face, regardless if the new guy has any of the characteristics on that "list" other than money. Moreover, both sexes value physical attractiveness to the same extent, women just add other levels of criteria on top of beauty. Finally, with few exceptions, men don't "choose" women. Men display, women do most of the "choosing," so the question is flawed on its face.

 

Women are biologically programmed to seek men that will support them and protect them.

 

I love seeing this tired rationalization trotted out. It conveniently ignores the fact that many U.S. women are thoroughly spoiled and addicted to luxury, status and wealth, which has nothing to do with support and protection. Support and protection don't really require that much money, do they? So why won't Suzy, who makes 100k as a marketing executive, date Stanley who makes 45k as a school teacher, but will lie that all the available men are intimidated by her income?

 

When we've come to a point in time when men don't even watn to support or protect women anymore, it's certainly a sad time.

 

When we've come to a point where women demand equality in competing for school positions, jobs and promotions, yet still demand that social advantages of outmoded double standards remain intact, it's certainly a sad time.

 

I think all this name calling about "gold diggers" is about your own personal insecurities.

 

You're probably right, all us insecure internet losers just made it all up. Rationalize away and shift that blame, it's really all men's fault, right?

 

It's actually biologically INTELLIGENT for a woman to make sure a man will provide and share his resources with her.

 

Find a new rationalization, this one is getting rather shopworn.

Edited December 22, 2009 by meerkat stew

[Lizzie60]

I don't really have anything against gold-diggers... and I'm talking about the ones who are with billionnaires.. why not??? why not take advantage of it... because like most say... they will be replaced anyway with younger women when the time comes.. so why not take it when it's available..

[stillafool]

Why do men marry? Because they worship the female. They get down on one knee and ask for permission to continue life. As man holds his Soul, his Sun, his Seed, the woman cannot reproduce unless she has the Seed, his Soul. The brighter a man's Soul burns, the more a woman wants it.

 

The man offers the woman his Soul, and in return, what does the woman offer the man? Traditionally it was sex, the ability to produce children and raise them.

 

The intelligent woman should withhold sex until marriage, if she wishes to produce strong and willful offspring. Because unfortunately, as powerful and beautiful as woman are, they do not have the Seed in them, they must get it from a man. They are half of the equation, not all of it.

 

And thus this is why women with desirable attributes will always be picky because they want strong seed to produce strong children. A man with the strongest resistance will gain the ability to plant the most seeds.

 

 

I think I love you!:love:

[Woggle]

Men marry because we love the woman and think she loves us. Too often we find out that that is not always the case but by then it is too late.

[betamanlet]

Men marry because we love the woman and think she loves us. Too often we find out that that is not always the case but by then it is too late.

 

 

You're forgetting that society gives women free reign to change her mind whenever she wants, and it's your problem if she does.

 

I used to say that my gf lied when she said she loved me. But I'm told I'm being wrong, that she meant it when she said it, she just changed her mind shortly after saying it, and th us it's my problem and I have to deal with it, she did nothing wrong because she's free to change her mind.

[Woggle]

You're forgetting that society gives women free reign to change her mind whenever she wants, and it's your problem if she does.

 

I used to say that my gf lied when she said she loved me. But I'm told I'm being wrong, that she meant it when she said it, she just changed her mind shortly after saying it, and th us it's my problem and I have to deal with it, she did nothing wrong because she's free to change her mind.

 

People are free to change their mind but that applies to men as well. This is why men need to have a rock solid prenup which they look at with a lawyer and if she won't sign it you do not marry her. Any women who will not sign a prenup should be looked at as shady. If a man is rich he also needs to have a Swiss bank account just in case. There needs to be some assets she can't touch. He also needs to be able to go to war in divorce court if he has to. People ask me how I got out of my first marriage keeping the house and not owing her a dime and I say it is because my lawyer and I were ready to go to war like we were storing Normandy beach.

 

The lesson is that by letting women know you are not sucker from the start you greatly decrease your chances of getting played. Women know when they see a sucker and they know when they see a man who is hip to their game and unless they have good intentions they will pass over the latter.

[betamanlet]

People are free to change their mind but that applies to men as well. This is why men need to have a rock solid prenup which they look at with a lawyer and if she won't sign it you do not marry her. Any women who will not sign a prenup should be looked at as shady. If a man is rich he also needs to have a Swiss bank account just in case. There needs to be some assets she can't touch. He also needs to be able to go to war in divorce court if he has to. People ask me how I got out of my first marriage keeping the house and not owing her a dime and I say it is because my lawyer and I were ready to go to war like we were storing Normandy beach.

 

The lesson is that by letting women know you are not sucker from the start you greatly decrease your chances of getting played. Women know when they see a sucker and they know when they see a man who is hip to their game and unless they have good intentions they will pass over the latter.

 

 

I don't agree with with most of what you say, as non marital assets are not part of the marital estate, so any preexisting money you have is yours, though I'm not sure about debt.

 

But what you do bring up, is the point that EVERYONE thinks, if a guy lets himself be taken advantage of (ie be a doormat) then he deserves to be lied to, cheated on, and stolen from. Whereas if that happened to a woman, she would get her own movie on Lifetime TV about how terrible men are. I've been completely used and stolen from by women before because I didn't know better.

[Woggle]

I don't agree with with most of what you say, as non marital assets are not part of the marital estate, so any preexisting money you have is yours, though I'm not sure about debt.

 

But what you do bring up, is the point that EVERYONE thinks, if a guy lets himself be taken advantage of (ie be a doormat) then he deserves to be lied to, cheated on, and stolen from. Whereas if that happened to a woman, she would get her own movie on Lifetime TV about how terrible men are. I've been completely used and stolen from by women before because I didn't know better.

 

I don't think that men deserve to get played but we have to deal with reality and we have to treat a woman's request for a divorce as a declaration of war. By this point she has built up so much resentment that she will destroy you if she could so men need to be prepared to fight for their lives in court. My lawyer told me that we were going to war and we need to treat it as such.

 

Also why don't men make our own movies about our story? There enough male directors. One reason I liked The Hangover is that it was actually somewhat pro-male without misogynistic. I was cheering loudly when that dentist told off his fiance at the end.

[aerogurl87]

People are free to change their mind but that applies to men as well. This is why men need to have a rock solid prenup which they look at with a lawyer and if she won't sign it you do not marry her. Any women who will not sign a prenup should be looked at as shady. If a man is rich he also needs to have a Swiss bank account just in case. There needs to be some assets she can't touch. He also needs to be able to go to war in divorce court if he has to. People ask me how I got out of my first marriage keeping the house and not owing her a dime and I say it is because my lawyer and I were ready to go to war like we were storing Normandy beach.

 

Actually Woggle, I'm a woman and I agree with you, lol. When I do get married I want my husband to get a prenup and anything he owned before we got married, I want him to keep if we do get divorced. Plus to me a prenup doesn't say "I don't trust you" it just says "I trust you but just in case things go south we have a plan". Works fine for me. I also think if more women were willing to sign a prenup not as many men would be as afraid of tying the knot. Either way, I actually would ask my future husband to get one because I don't want to have to deal with the drama of divorce if it ever happens. Now if he cheats on me, then that's a different story. Then it's payback time, but I'll be sure to include that somewhere in the prenup.

[Woggle]

Actually Woggle, I'm a woman and I agree with you, lol. When I do get married I want my husband to get a prenup and anything he owned before we got married, I want him to keep if we do get divorced. Plus to me a prenup doesn't say "I don't trust you" it just says "I trust you but just in case things go south we have a plan". Works fine for me. I also think if more women were willing to sign a prenup not as many men would be as afraid of tying the knot. Either way, I actually would ask my future husband to get one because I don't want to have to deal with the drama of divorce if it ever happens. Now if he cheats on me, then that's a different story. Then it's payback time, but I'll be sure to include that somewhere in the prenup.

 

I can agree with that only if it applies to you cheating as well.