phineas Posted December 21, 2009 Posted December 21, 2009 Have you ever met a stunning woman that was a 10 and the more you talked with her, the more unattractive she became? Have you ever met a woman that was perhaps a 4 or 5 or 6 or 7 and the more you talked with her, the more attractive she became? I agree 100%.
carhill Posted December 21, 2009 Posted December 21, 2009 Great post, Stock. I think you'll suck as an a-hole I'll be interested to see if the 50 and over ladies have bridged the gap between what they want and what they're attracted to. To me, and the same applies for myself, this is the single most pervasive issue in unhealthy relationships and their impetus. Attraction to incompatibility. I'll be the most critical of myself but the ladies will get their fair share too. Looking forward to it
phineas Posted December 21, 2009 Posted December 21, 2009 Not necessarily. You can take movies and stills of yourself. Whether someone can be objective about themselves, is individual reliant. More than likely, the body language will happen, once the rest fall in place. It's less about importance and more about enhancing your natural look. For example, when women dress, many of us dress to suit our body shapes, enhancing our positive attributes so it draws the eye away from the negative ones. My sister has next dudes for wearing a black shirt & brown shoes on a date. She has nexted guys for wearing black shoes with brown pants. There are a lot of women out there like that sadly.
threebyfate Posted December 21, 2009 Posted December 21, 2009 My sister has next dudes for wearing a black shirt & brown shoes on a date. She has nexted guys for wearing black shoes with brown pants. There are a lot of women out there like that sadly.I hope your sister's under 25 years old.
skydiveaddict Posted December 21, 2009 Posted December 21, 2009 (edited) Listen, chicks don't want the guy that puts their coat down for her to walk across a puddle of mud. They want the guys who act like they don't give a sh*t about them. I'm kidding but I'm not. There is someone on here, I don't recall who he is but in his signature he has thread about how to treat a woman and keep her coming back (or something to that effect). One of the main "rules" he had in there was something I completely identify with. It said, treat her like crap but tell her you love her. There was a woman I dated that would complain to me constantly that I never treat her with respect and would walk all over her. Yet, she never left. I would tell her I love her just to shut her up and after a couple of years of treating her like garbage, I guess I felt like I owed her at least that much. But I still hardly gave her the time of day. Women, they are strange but lovely creatures. That's my point, exactly! Treat women like crap & they hang around. Treat them with respect & you're out the door Edited December 21, 2009 by skydiveaddict
carhill Posted December 21, 2009 Posted December 21, 2009 That's the bridge I'm talking about. Her complaints described her want, but she was impotent to bridge the want and attraction. Combine that with oxytocin bonding, an effective tool players and jerks use (having sex as quickly as possible) and, with periodic reinsemination, they can control the woman at the elemental psychological level, almost unconsciously. I've seen the results; it's like a robot taking orders. Despicable to me, but it is how some men operate and how a surprising amount of women respond. I hope we evolve out of that
PJKino Posted December 21, 2009 Posted December 21, 2009 You really can't have it both ways. Saying that women notice and go for hot men and at the same time men should be looking for women who aren't on the "hot" list. Women want it both ways theyre entitled creatures..[not all] They dont want to be judged by physical appereances but want to be able to judge mens But theyll hide behind things like biology and that they are hardwired to find the best looking mate with the best genes for their kids to make an excuse for their shallowness instead of owning up to it..
betamanlet Posted December 21, 2009 Posted December 21, 2009 I hope your sister's under 25 years old. Are you serious? I'd think the older they are, the more they are into fashion rules, ie brown shoes with blue pants, black belt with black shoes... Has there EVER been any male equivalent of nexting someone because their belt and shoes didn't match? No straight male in the history of the world has been that shallow.
betamanlet Posted December 21, 2009 Posted December 21, 2009 Great post, Stock. I think you'll suck as an a-hole I'll be interested to see if the 50 and over ladies have bridged the gap between what they want and what they're attracted to. To me, and the same applies for myself, this is the single most pervasive issue in unhealthy relationships and their impetus. Attraction to incompatibility. I'll be the most critical of myself but the ladies will get their fair share too. Looking forward to it I would listen to the Rabbi Shmuley show on Oprah XM and he would do shows on "bad boys" and even their guests in the late 40s and 50s still said they always long for the bad boys.. Shmuley's entire shtick was that women are innocent angels and want to be treated well and I think he was in for a major shock when he did that show... The best advice you could EVER give a guy who wants to end a relationship quickly, is to treat his gf "nicely" and she'll get bored and dump him. You won't even have to feel any guilt for dumping her, beacuse she will in fact dump you. Treat a woman well, she'll get bored, treat her the way she wants (badly) and she'll be addicted to the drama.
threebyfate Posted December 21, 2009 Posted December 21, 2009 Are you serious? I'd think the older they are, the more they are into fashion rules, ie brown shoes with blue pants, black belt with black shoes... Has there EVER been any male equivalent of nexting someone because their belt and shoes didn't match? No straight male in the history of the world has been that shallow.And he runs with it...creating Mount Fuji out of a molehill...
skydiveaddict Posted December 21, 2009 Posted December 21, 2009 betamanlet: dude you're right on target
threebyfate Posted December 21, 2009 Posted December 21, 2009 I have to laugh at this thread. It's like the 2009 version of Revenge of the Nerds, where instead of revenge being enacted on jocks, it's women. Take the tape off your glasses, gents!
skydiveaddict Posted December 21, 2009 Posted December 21, 2009 [The best advice you could EVER give a guy who wants to end a relationship quickly, is to treat his gf "nicely" and she'll get bored and dump him. You won't even have to feel any guilt for dumping her, beacuse she will in fact dump you. Treat a woman well, she'll get bored, treat her the way she wants (badly) and she'll be addicted to the drama. Exactly!
phineas Posted December 21, 2009 Posted December 21, 2009 I hope your sister's under 25 years old. 35. she has a 30 yr old boyfriend who works construction & she dresses him like he's a life size ken doll. LOL! But, he's a good guy so I don't bust his chops too much. But, she's a teacher & all her friends are teachers & where I am your either a teacher, nurse, government worker or construction so its quite common in her circle to work with what you can find.
carhill Posted December 21, 2009 Posted December 21, 2009 Take the tape off your glasses, gents! LOL, I still have those glasses from grade school and I'm not taking the tape off, no way!
phineas Posted December 21, 2009 Posted December 21, 2009 I think I get it. The guy complaining just want to get laid. Not blaming. I'm a guy. The thing their not realizing is the women attracted to these guys are poison. They get dumped on repeatedly then meet the nice guy & tell themselves this is what they need & want, but it isn't. They friendzone him or cheat on him with a douche' bag. So you decide "i'll be a douche' bag & get the chicks" But, Who wants a chick like that? I don't. If all you are doing is looking for hot monkey sex with an emotionally unstable woman then hey learn the game. But, a lot of these guys wind up alone because they never learned basic relationship skills & can't find and keep a good woman.
skydiveaddict Posted December 21, 2009 Posted December 21, 2009 hey i'm still looking for advice from you successful womanizers out there on how to morph from a "nice guy" into a 1st class jerk, a real a..hole you know, the kind of guy a woman really wants!
Peaceful Guy Posted December 21, 2009 Posted December 21, 2009 hey i'm still looking for advice from you successful womanizers out there on how to morph from a "nice guy" into a 1st class jerk, a real a..hole you know, the kind of guy a woman really wants! congrats! you're already there!
Stockalone Posted December 21, 2009 Posted December 21, 2009 (edited) Great post, Stock. I think you'll suck as an a-hole ... Attraction to incompatibility. I'll be the most critical of myself but the ladies will get their fair share too. Looking forward to it I wouldn't go as far as saying attraction to incompatibility. I think it's more like ignoring incompatibility, hoping/believing it will not cause problems further down the road. And yeah, I am pretty sure I wouldn't be a convincing jerk. And I don't want to be one either. Then again, I must have incredible talent, because apparently I can be an a-hole when that isn't even my intention. Women want it both ways theyre entitled creatures..[not all] They dont want to be judged by physical appereances but want to be able to judge mens To be fair, I did take two individual replies and put them together. In the first, stillafool was explaining why some women feel an attraction to jerks. And in the second quote, she was offering a potential solution for men who never get the girl they want. That in itself isn't entitlement or even a double standard. Because both replies are valid in the context they were given. We'll have to wait for her to clarify it. But theyll hide behind things like biology and that they are hardwired to find the best looking mate with the best genes for their kids to make an excuse for their shallowness instead of owning up to it.. Some do, IME most are being honest. I would listen to the Rabbi Shmuley show on Oprah XM and he would do shows on "bad boys" and even their guests in the late 40s and 50s still said they always long for the bad boys.. Shmuley's entire shtick was that women are innocent angels and want to be treated well and I think he was in for a major shock when he did that show... The best advice you could EVER give a guy who wants to end a relationship quickly, is to treat his gf "nicely" and she'll get bored and dump him. You won't even have to feel any guilt for dumping her, beacuse she will in fact dump you. Treat a woman well, she'll get bored, treat her the way she wants (badly) and she'll be addicted to the drama. If a woman doesn't appreciate it when you are being nice, she doesn't deserve you. The only problem I have with this is when women think you are a doormat because you are nice and then try to take advantage of you. Because it's apparently okay to walk all over a perceived doormat. I have met women who freely admitted that they do this and don't think they were in the wrong. That said, I don't think that treating your SO well is a recipe for disaster. But if you are still in the early stages and trying to get to know a woman, being too helpful, too eager can be misinterpreted by the woman. It often does you more harm than good. Don't treat her badly, but also don't treat her like an old friend. Treat her friendly but treat her like a stranger (because that is what she is) at first. The addiction to drama is often the result of not knowing where you stand. That can happen to men and women. If you aren't sure what's going on, your mind wanders and that is where the drama can happen. And he runs with it...creating Mount Fuji out of a molehill... I am afraid so. I have to laugh at this thread. It's like the 2009 version of Revenge of the Nerds, where instead of revenge being enacted on jocks, it's women. Take the tape off your glasses, gents! I think you have got it all wrong. In the movie, the nerds win. We would be more like the jocks and in this thread we are wrecking the nerds (girls) house. Who volunteers for the part of John Goodman? Great speech. John Goodman is a fantastic actor, sadly I couldn't find the speech online. Not necessarily. You can take movies and stills of yourself. Whether someone can be objective about themselves, is individual reliant. More than likely, the body language will happen, once the rest fall in place. I'd still need to know what I am looking for. If I don't know what's broken, I can't fix it. And how can I tape myself? I can't go out and have my personal documentary crew following me to see how I interact with women. In general, I do have an idea what you are getting at with the body language thing. The military did something along the lines. How to walk, talk, gesture,etc. while you give a speech or give orders. But keeping all that in mind, dating looks worse than doing job interviews. It's less about importance and more about enhancing your natural look. For example, when women dress, many of us dress to suit our body shapes, enhancing our positive attributes so it draws the eye away from the negative ones. Well, it makes sense for women. But I'm a guy. I buy the first jeans that I like and that fits. I am the first to admit that I don't care about fashion. The only thing I know is that my style (if you can call it that) has drawn criticism in the past. But I also know when women offered to choose clothes for me in the past, I'd have looked ridiculous if I hadn't vetoed their choices. I would have looked like a mix between a dance instructor and a Mediterranean soccer player who spent too much time in front of a mirror. Edited December 21, 2009 by Stockalone
Cafe Posted December 21, 2009 Posted December 21, 2009 Honestly bro, dont try and be something you're not. The best thing is when someone appreciates you for who you and loves you the same. You'll meet the right girl, just keep your options open and never go in thinking about future plans for the girl you meet. Just let it flow:) trust me, im going thru the same as you and I say **** changing myself, always be true to yourself cuz you're all you got at the end of the day.
stillafool Posted December 21, 2009 Posted December 21, 2009 I don't think that women want an @sshole type of guy. Most jerks don't wear a neon sign around their neck that says "I am a jerk/player/@sshole and I treat women like sh*t." I never said a woman wants an @sshole. The guys on here complain that women want @ssholes. I don't think they are @ssholes (why? because they are goodlooking?) What are you talking about? I also don't think that women fall for jerks because they like being treated like sh*t. Women fall for them because they notice them, jerks stand out (either because of their looks, or charm, or money, or confidence, etc.). At first, many of them are not different than the normal, confident guy women want. Most people (men and women) are normal (not a jerk, not crazy, and not a doormat) and they also want someone who is normal as a partner. I agree. Where did I say women fall for jerks? Again, what are you talking about? The real difference is the jerk is being dishonest, and he cares very little about the women he dates. That gives him an advantage because he can manipulate some women who actually care about him. Again, okay. Of course a jerk is a jerk. Whether it is a man or a woman. Anyone can potentially manipulate someone who is in love with them. Manipulation is not just done by men. I don't understand again why you are telling me this. Jerks get a woman but they usually can't keep her once the woman figures out that what she thinks is a good guy is in fact a jerk. Well I don't necessarilly agree with you on this as there are too many women who know their men f--k around and are still living with them or trying to hang on to them. If only what you said were true here it would indeed be a blessing to women. Men tend to forget that little detail. I can even understand the appeal of wanting to become a jerk. It is easy to think you'd be able to keep a woman if she would just notice you. Becoming a jerk (at the beginning) would get you noticed and then you could stop being a jerk and keep the woman interested in the real you. I don't think it works that way. But plenty of men hope that it does. This type of thinking will get you no where. If I were you I wouldn't try to be a "jerk". Who wants a jerk. If you are talking about goodlooking, charismatic guys who get a lot of women - I certainly wouldn't call him a jerk. Goodlooking women like goodlooking men and vice versa. Maybe if a woman is already attracted to him. She is not going to be attracted if there is nothing else that interests her. Perhaps his hobby or past time may be of great interest to her and would bring them together. Stop being sooooooooo negative. The original (a player) will always be more coveted than a copy. But a good forgery can still fool the untrained eye. That is what the jerks are hoping for. Exactly, only jerks would hope for and pretend to be a player when they clearly are not. You really can't have it both ways. Saying that women notice and go for hot men and at the same time men should be looking for women who aren't on the "hot" list. I don't want it both ways. Let me clarify. What I am saying is both men and women are attracted to "hot" looking people. If the man and woman both are "hot" chances are they will get together. If someone who is not on that level in the looks department, chances are they are not going to get a chance with that "hot" looking person. Therefore, (both men and women) who are not "hot" should not give up on life but maybe lower their expectations and "get in where they fit in". However, it's not as simple as that anyway. We like the people we like, we all want a partner we are attracted to (physically and emotionally). But beauty really lies in the eyes of the beholder. I know I usually have a different taste than my friends and they (as a group) don't always agree on who is hot or not, either. People have different types and different preferences. Of course we all want someone we are attracted to and beauty is in the eye of the beholder. So out of all the women in the world why do you complain that some guys get all the women? Are you saying you can only be attracted to women who long for other men? Because if that is not the case, why haven't you found someone? For most men, the initial attraction is physical. Which isn't surprising. When you have only looks to go by at first, you approach the women who you think look good. And then you hope that your personalities will mesh. Believe it or not, for most women the initial attraction is physical. We also hope personalities mesh. But we definitely are physically attracted first. It makes no sense to approach a woman whose looks you don't like at all in the hopes that you will like her personality. This is the exact way women feel about men. Even if they are nice guys. If we are not physically attracted we move on. It sucks not being able to have the person you want but unfortunately thousands of people are settling everyday in hopes of not living this life alone. The lucky ones are the people who can find piece in themselves. I really don't buy it that women can become attracted to a man they think is physically unattractive. Who in the world said they were????????
stillafool Posted December 21, 2009 Posted December 21, 2009 Hey guys.... I`m new on this forum. I just want to know how to become an A-hole (some very good advice), because my wife cheated on me. She was wasted at a party and she had sex with the bartender while waiting for me to arrive from work. ain`t that cute... We talked about it and I pretended i forgiven her. But i didn`t... I`m just waiting for a revenge.. a very harmful one. so.... shoud i have sex with a prostitute on the sofa when she arrives from work? .....should I ge wasted and have sex with her sister? (her sister loves me).... or what should I do? You should learn from your wife not the bartender. She sounds like the perfect @sshole to me.
stillafool Posted December 21, 2009 Posted December 21, 2009 congrats! you're already there! :lmao::lmao:This is what's so funny. Most of them have already gotten their wish.
PJKino Posted December 21, 2009 Posted December 21, 2009 This is the exact way women feel about men. Even if they are nice guys. If we are not physically attracted we move on. It sucks not being able to have the person you want but unfortunately thousands of people are settling everyday in hopes of not living this life alone. The lucky ones are the people who can find piece in themsel Exactly thats why also this stuff about "game" and stuff is garbage its about physical attraction first and if thats not there u cant get your foot in the door Men or Women.. As ive said im at peace with dyign alone if i cant get a girl im physically attracted to at all
Mary3 Posted December 22, 2009 Posted December 22, 2009 Try some Rough Sex : Rip her clothes off and have your way...Not that that's an a-hole but its a start to curling her toes....( Consensual of course )
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