bbasher75 Posted December 18, 2009 Posted December 18, 2009 After my latest "lets be friends" incident I've decided enough is enough. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em. I've decided to dedicate myself to becoming a jerk, an A-Hole. OK I need advice here from any A-Hole reading this. What is it you do that gets you layed and kept out of the "friend-zone"? Please list all tips/advice on this thread for how to become the A-Hole of a woman's dreams. The "real man" she truly desires. The "Alpha male". And also list things NOT to do with women that would make them see you as the "Beta male". I want DETAILS. I wanna know what to say, how poorly to treat them, etc. I'm sick of being the nice guy who gets nothing but spit on. Time for me to do some spitting of my own.
pureinheart Posted December 18, 2009 Posted December 18, 2009 After my latest "lets be friends" incident I've decided enough is enough. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em. I've decided to dedicate myself to becoming a jerk, an A-Hole. OK I need advice here from any A-Hole reading this. What is it you do that gets you layed and kept out of the "friend-zone"? Please list all tips/advice on this thread for how to become the A-Hole of a woman's dreams. The "real man" she truly desires. The "Alpha male". And also list things NOT to do with women that would make them see you as the "Beta male". I want DETAILS. I wanna know what to say, how poorly to treat them, etc. I'm sick of being the nice guy who gets nothing but spit on. Time for me to do some spitting of my own. LOL, I understand where you are coming from....but you will mostlikely become a horrible jerk, or horrible at being a jerk...I tried to be a "B" and it didn't work....bought a book on it and everything. I like being a nice person and God will find me a good man that will appreciate the time He has spent on me...in the meantime I will be without a mate.... Could you be looking in all of the wrong places? What seems to be the common denominator of this run of bad women? I just dumped a "jerk" who was treating me bad....I've changed my ways, so why not try changing yours and quit settling for lousy women...only go for the best because YOU ARE WORTH IT
torranceshipman Posted December 18, 2009 Posted December 18, 2009 Make sure you are tall, well built, have a six pack, great car, successful job, sharp theads, a charming, confident and relaxed demeanor, be diverting at all times and make sure you always take the girl to the best bar/club/restaurant - don't cheap out. You'll both go home and have a great night together and it wouldn't be hard to keep any girl hooked with that. Then you can maintain the multi dating thing permanently as long as you are a gent, and a little bit elusive, and seeing as you'll be dating a few girls and everyone will be having agood time, noone will be too upset when you kindly drop the 'i think you are great but I am not in the right place for something serious' talk but all those girls will be so into you... If you can't do all that at the very least don't be a bitter schmo who blames all of his dates failures on the next girl he meets, as she'll see right through it and think you're a big loser The 'i'll be an a-hole' thing is a big misunderstanding. You only get emotionally damaged girls with no self esteem to fall for that. All the decent ones will avoid you. What I think you mean is how do you be that confident alpha male? That is NOT an a-hole. There is a good reason why girls fall for the alpha, it is just a sad coincidence that often the alpha types (wome like that) are also a bit of an a-hole (girls don't like that).
FilthMerchant Posted December 18, 2009 Posted December 18, 2009 (edited) Read: The Mystery Method Roissy in DC's blog Join: Sosuave.net Never come back to: Loveshack.org The problem is that most girls have an idealisation of the man they want, and are unaware of how their attraction is triggered, because it is triggered on a primal and subconscious level. This is why you never take romantic advice from women. Being an ******* comes closer to triggering that attraction than being a 'niceguy', but only slightly. ******* game is still beta game, and only a marginal improvement on niceguy game. Overall, *******s will attract headcases and occassionally be used and discarded by quality women. So, follow the instructions at the beginning of my post. Edited December 18, 2009 by FilthMerchant
Author bbasher75 Posted December 18, 2009 Author Posted December 18, 2009 Could you be looking in all of the wrong places? What seems to be the common denominator of this run of bad women? I just dumped a "jerk" who was treating me bad....I've changed my ways, so why not try changing yours and quit settling for lousy women...only go for the best because YOU ARE WORTH IT Well lets see. Common denominator: The hotter the girl + the lower her self-esteem = the more she likes to be stepped on. Add that to the fact that I like hot girls, and that = problem for me, Mr. Nice Guy Pants. And yes, you just dumped a jerk. Probably because you just spotted an even bigger jerk.
FilthMerchant Posted December 18, 2009 Posted December 18, 2009 Well lets see. Common denominator: The hotter the girl + the lower her self-esteem = the more she likes to be stepped on. Add that to the fact that I like hot girls, and that = problem for me, Mr. Nice Guy Pants. And yes, you just dumped a jerk. Probably because you just spotted an even bigger jerk. Read my post.
Author bbasher75 Posted December 18, 2009 Author Posted December 18, 2009 The 'i'll be an a-hole' thing is a big misunderstanding. You only get emotionally damaged girls with no self esteem to fall for that. All the decent ones will avoid you. What I think you mean is how do you be that confident alpha male? That is NOT an a-hole. There is a good reason why girls fall for the alpha, it is just a sad coincidence that often the alpha types (wome like that) are also a bit of an a-hole (girls don't like that). In my opinion, the whole "oh women don't want jerks, they just like confidence" thing is like sugar coating a pig. In the end, it's still a pig. No, they wants jerks. Period. "alpha" "confidence" "swaggar" are all code names for "jerks". Like when a woman says "I want a good provider who's ambitious", that's code for "I want a man with money". The same thing, just different words to make it sound better. Yes, women do like A-Holes. I'm sorry but I disagree with you. I think you're just trying to make it sound nice.
FilthMerchant Posted December 18, 2009 Posted December 18, 2009 In my opinion, the whole "oh women don't want jerks, they just like confidence" thing is like sugar coating a pig. In the end, it's still a pig. No, they wants jerks. Period. "alpha" "confidence" "swaggar" are all code names for "jerks". Like when a woman says "I want a good provider who's ambitious", that's code for "I want a man with money". The same thing, just different words to make it sound better. Yes, women do like A-Holes. I'm sorry but I disagree with you. I think you're just trying to make it sound nice. By your own admission you are not successful with women. Why then, are you so adamant that you know what women like? If you knew what women liked, you would be successful with them.
Author bbasher75 Posted December 18, 2009 Author Posted December 18, 2009 Read: The Mystery Method Roissy in DC's blog Join: Sosuave.net Never come back to: Loveshack.org The problem is that most girls have an idealisation of the man they want, and are unaware of how their attraction is triggered, because it is triggered on a primal and subconscious level. This is why you never take romantic advice from women. Being an ******* comes closer to triggering that attraction than being a 'niceguy', but only slightly. ******* game is still beta game, and only a marginal improvement on niceguy game. Overall, *******s will attract headcases and occassionally be used and discarded by quality women. So, follow the instructions at the beginning of my post. I'm not sure I can apply Mystery's method to myself. Quite frankly I think it would come off as phony, because I'm not that good of an actor. Mystery is a "natural" A-hole, he enjoys being an A-hole to women. I'm open to reading his stuff more though. But I'm just basically looking for "the basics" right now of what being an A-Hole is all about. The mystery stuff is gonna take more time to study.
Author bbasher75 Posted December 18, 2009 Author Posted December 18, 2009 By your own admission you are not successful with women. Why then, are you so adamant that you know what women like? If you knew what women liked, you would be successful with them. Listen I know what women like, I'm just not good at applying it. So I keep falling back on "the real me" AKA nice guy loser because that's what "comes naturally" to me. I know women like to be treated like dirt, but before I can start doing that I would like some pointers and/or tips on whats the best way to go about doing this.
RedDevil66 Posted December 18, 2009 Posted December 18, 2009 well it seems like you're close to already being there, so good job. Keep it up. I'm sure you'll have the real women hanging all over you in no time
FilthMerchant Posted December 18, 2009 Posted December 18, 2009 I'm not sure I can apply Mystery's method to myself. Quite frankly I think it would come off as phony, because I'm not that good of an actor. Mystery is a "natural" A-hole, he enjoys being an A-hole to women. I'm open to reading his stuff more though. But I'm just basically looking for "the basics" right now of what being an A-Hole is all about. The mystery stuff is gonna take more time to study. First of all, mystery is not an *******. Secondly, he is not an ******* to women. Thirdly, improvement doesn't come without work. Listen I know what women like, I'm just not good at applying it. So I keep falling back on "the real me" AKA nice guy loser because that's what "comes naturally" to me. I know women like to be treated like dirt, but before I can start doing that I would like some pointers and/or tips on whats the best way to go about doing this. Knowledge comes from experience. Women don't like to be treated like dirt, they just don't like to be pedestalled, fawned over and supplicated to (they may like it because it fuels their egos, but they are not attracted by this behaviour). I have developed my ideas from experience and applied them with success. Go with my tips. You will get three kinds of responses in this thread: Some people will tell you to keep being nice and wait for your soulmate to drop out of the sky and land in your arms. Some people, like me and the guy who said something similar to what I said, will give you good advice that will work. Some people will be embittered niceguys like you who agree with your distorted views. It is clear to me which set of responses you need to listen to. As I see it so far, you started this thread to vent your frustrations, and are now looking for 'advice' that confirms what you think and ignoring everything else.
Author bbasher75 Posted December 18, 2009 Author Posted December 18, 2009 First of all, mystery is not an *******. Secondly, he is not an ******* to women. Thirdly, improvement doesn't come without work. Knowledge comes from experience. Women don't like to be treated like dirt, they just don't like to be pedestalled, fawned over and supplicated to (they may like it because it fuels their egos, but they are not attracted by this behaviour). I have developed my ideas from experience and applied them with success. Go with my tips. You will get three kinds of responses in this thread: Some people will tell you to keep being nice and wait for your soulmate to drop out of the sky and land in your arms. Some people, like me and the guy who said something similar to what I said, will give you good advice that will work. Some people will be embittered niceguys like you who agree with your distorted views. It is clear to me which set of responses you need to listen to. As I see it so far, you started this thread to vent your frustrations, and are now looking for 'advice' that confirms what you think and ignoring everything else. OK but do you think I can apply this stuff to myself? I'm telling you, my personality is reserved and I'm terrible at memorization. So things like "routines"...I will trip up easily on those. "Damn...what was step 3??" is what I picture myself saying if I try that stuff. Whether Mystery is a jerk or not you can't deny that the "real" jerks do indeed get women. And I have seen gorgeous women with men who do treat them like dirt so how do you account for that? If Mystery's method does indeed work, I'd rather do that than become an A-Hole. I will look into it more, thanks.
betamanlet Posted December 18, 2009 Posted December 18, 2009 Only think about dating women you have limited to no interest in. You will automatically act that way, making them more interested in you.
RedDevil66 Posted December 18, 2009 Posted December 18, 2009 I thought you were done with me and called me an idiot? Apparently you can't get enough of me...you see? Being a jerk really does work on bimbos like you. Yeah, that's it, I cannot get enough of you, hence why I've totally ignored you in the other thread. You caught me! I stand by my original assessment of you but will add you're a childish as well Are you wearing your spiderman pj's while you type this?!
Woggle Posted December 18, 2009 Posted December 18, 2009 Take your heart out of the equation when dealing with women. You need to treat them as toys who can easily be replaced if they start acting up. Women tend to swoon over men that treat them that way.
calizaggy Posted December 18, 2009 Posted December 18, 2009 When with them just act like a normal down to earth guy, but do not be afraid to disagree with things they say while being rude/arrogant in a funny way at times. When not with them ignore their calls/texts and call them when you feel like it.. Just say you have been busy if they ask, then go from there.
espec10001 Posted December 18, 2009 Posted December 18, 2009 One can not become an ******* over night. Becoming an ******* is a result of not the weak "let's just be friends", but over the course of some years being "fooled" by women and being played the sucker and wising up. I got fooled by women one too many times. Could it have been my fault? Ehh, I don't know. In all honesty I was honest and opened up my heart to them because I honestly believed they felt the same way about me through their actions. Boy how doing that really STUNG! So to be an *******, one must not focus on females, AT ALL. Don't call them, don't date them, don't even give two ****s about what they say or do or anything. Focus on making money and business and becoming successful yourself, without any help from a chick. They will sure fool you if you give them the chance. I've since learned that only one rule applies to females: They just wanna have fun. Show them a good time and that's it. Don't get me wrong I do love women because deep down they are all naughty and like to do bad things, but open up your heart to one? Never again. I got scorched.
betamanlet Posted December 18, 2009 Posted December 18, 2009 When with them just act like a normal down to earth guy, but do not be afraid to disagree with things they say while being rude/arrogant in a funny way at times. When not with them ignore their calls/texts and call them when you feel like it.. Just say you have been busy if they ask, then go from there. Also, NEVER EVER be polite in the bedroom.
Sharon1961 Posted December 18, 2009 Posted December 18, 2009 In my experience, the nice guys who have sworn off being burnt by women tend to be extremely bitter and angry. This is not a good recipe for happy ever after. Not saying it's what/who you are. I don't know you well enough to say that at all. It's very true that the women who like the guys who treat them like crap have zero self-esteem. Maybe you're attracted to these women because you want to help them? Maybe you have such a kind heart that you see their pain and want to give them something good? If that's the case, there's less with your approach and more the women you go after. It's true that the only women who want to fawned over are those looking for an ego fix. It's hard to connect with someone who is idolizing you because they usually have exaggerated your positives. SO, the ones who like being fawned over tend to be those who aren't really interested in connecting with you. What's helped me to stop going for the crappy guys is to work on myself. I want to be in a healthy relationship - not with a bitter ex nice guy and not with a crappy guy. With someone who is whole themself. Just my thoughts.
betamanlet Posted December 18, 2009 Posted December 18, 2009 In my experience, the nice guys who have sworn off being burnt by women tend to be extremely bitter and angry. This is not a good recipe for happy ever after. Not saying it's what/who you are. I don't know you well enough to say that at all. It's very true that the women who like the guys who treat them like crap have zero self-esteem. Maybe you're attracted to these women because you want to help them? Maybe you have such a kind heart that you see their pain and want to give them something good? If that's the case, there's less with your approach and more the women you go after. It's true that the only women who want to fawned over are those looking for an ego fix. It's hard to connect with someone who is idolizing you because they usually have exaggerated your positives. SO, the ones who like being fawned over tend to be those who aren't really interested in connecting with you. What's helped me to stop going for the crappy guys is to work on myself. I want to be in a healthy relationship - not with a bitter ex nice guy and not with a crappy guy. With someone who is whole themself. Just my thoughts. I presume you were born in 1961, making you in your 40s, when you were younger, in your 20s and 30s, did you date nice guys, or bad boys?
GorillaTheater Posted December 18, 2009 Posted December 18, 2009 This guy is hilarious. <falls off chair laughing> Holy crap. Read "Austin Road Trip" sitting here in the office. Which was a huge mistake, since I think all the laughing was starting to make other people here nervous.
Sharon1961 Posted December 18, 2009 Posted December 18, 2009 I presume you were born in 1961, making you in your 40s, when you were younger, in your 20s and 30s, did you date nice guys, or bad boys? Actually, it was really just one truly crappy guy and I met him when I was 39. In my 20s and 30s I dated guys on a range of the crappy scale, some nice guys and none quite as bad as the truly crappy guy later on. But bonding with the truly crappy guy profoundly affected my ability to connect with a good, decent guy. I'm finding myself moving on now though. I think it's possible that if someone is meeting women who are in their 20s and 30s and they're being perceived as playing games it's actually just inexperience on their part. Or just not being good at bonding, dating, whatever. Most people don't set out to play games, I think. It's just that none of us know what the heck we're doing most of the time. IMO.
betamanlet Posted December 18, 2009 Posted December 18, 2009 Actually, it was really just one truly crappy guy and I met him when I was 39. In my 20s and 30s I dated guys on a range of the crappy scale, some nice guys and none quite as bad as the truly crappy guy later on. But bonding with the truly crappy guy profoundly affected my ability to connect with a good, decent guy. I'm finding myself moving on now though. I think it's possible that if someone is meeting women who are in their 20s and 30s and they're being perceived as playing games it's actually just inexperience on their part. Or just not being good at bonding, dating, whatever. Most people don't set out to play games, I think. It's just that none of us know what the heck we're doing most of the time. IMO. The interesting thing is whenever I hear stories like this, it seems that the relationships with the crappy guys last much longer than the relationships with the non crappy guys. Do you have any idea why this is? My personal take is it's a self esteem thing, and many many, I would say the vast majority of women, have very low self esteem. But how to fix this?
Sharon1961 Posted December 18, 2009 Posted December 18, 2009 The interesting thing is whenever I hear stories like this, it seems that the relationships with the crappy guys last much longer than the relationships with the non crappy guys. Do you have any idea why this is? My personal take is it's a self esteem thing, and many many, I would say the vast majority of women, have very low self esteem. But how to fix this? Oh, I think you're right on the money here. For me, I met the guy when I was feeling very low, lost, helpless. He swooped in and took control. OF EVERYTHING. I'm not at all proud of that time. And it lasted a long time, yes. The way I finally got out of it was by telling myself (over and over) that I would never have what I wanted in life as long as I was with him. It ended horribly. Quite frankly, he wasn't used to me caring about myself. How to fix it? Good question. And honestly, a better question than how to manipulate and use the women who feel so unworthy to begin with. I'm going to think on this one!
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