nddb Posted December 18, 2009 Posted December 18, 2009 (edited) Don't punish your wife for things she didn't do and for what she's not, W. Edited December 18, 2009 by nddb
Author Woggle Posted December 18, 2009 Author Posted December 18, 2009 Of course you do!! You DON'T believe you are wrong and IGNORE all evidence to the contrary. One thing I am really glad of is that I'm not YOU. I am not the female version of YOU -- and those are those women you despise Woggle. They hate men and see no good in them. They bash them and hate on them and refuse to see any good in them. YOU are THEM. THEY are YOU. That is why they get under your skin so much. You are looking into a mirror. They are unhappy hags aren't they Woggle? And you are the unhappy male version. This might be true but I wasn't always like this. Right now men and women are in a cold war and sometimes the best way to win a war is to become like what you are fighting against. Sometimes you have to fight fire with fire. I know I am happier than your average divorced man living in a dump surviving on beef a roni.
whichwayisup Posted December 18, 2009 Posted December 18, 2009 This might be true but I wasn't always like this. And that means you can change and NOT be like this..If you truly want to change and become someone who can trust a little bit more.
threebyfate Posted December 18, 2009 Posted December 18, 2009 Woggle's expressed many times that he's "got a way with women", hence why his nutbar friend wants him as a wingman. I sincerely hope this isn't what Woggle means by "having a way with women", in that he's great at attracting negative attention.
Island Girl Posted December 18, 2009 Posted December 18, 2009 This might be true but I wasn't always like this. Right now men and women are in a cold war and sometimes the best way to win a war is to become like what you are fighting against. Sometimes you have to fight fire with fire. I know I am happier than your average divorced man living in a dump surviving on beef a roni. You know how offensive those women are at you work? How ugly they are with all of that negativity seeping out of them? If you think just because you don't vent it - that the negative crap isn't effecting YOU then you are wrong. Other people around you notice. It's gross by the way. And your wife certainly noticed when it wasn't there in Vegas.
Author Woggle Posted December 18, 2009 Author Posted December 18, 2009 I must say that my whole demeanor changed when a female coworker of mine let these women have it. We were in the breakroom and one of them was bragging about how she cheats on her boyfriend with his brother which of course makes her an empowered feminist and this other woman told her people like her are the reason feminist has become a dirty word to some people. It is really refreshing to see a woman that does not condone and encourage this sort of thing. Today my father who despite everything he went through is not a misogynist told me I sound just like my mother. That is something for me to think about.
whichwayisup Posted December 19, 2009 Posted December 19, 2009 We were in the breakroom and one of them was bragging about how she cheats on her boyfriend with his brother I just cannot believe someone, male or FEMALE would boast about such a thing. Sorry, but cheating isn't something one should be proud of. Good, I'm glad your dad made you stop and think. ..You DO have the power to change your ways, change your thinking patterns and how you react to negative things around you. Instead of ALWAYS seeing the bad, look at that woman who boasts at work, instead of vicious thoughts, replace it with "man, she is a very unhappy person and it's a shame she's missing out on alot of good by putting herself in stupid situations..." Anyway, MOST women do NOT condone that behaviour, and it blows me away that you think 9/10 women DO condone it. To me, it's more like 1/100!
Author Woggle Posted December 19, 2009 Author Posted December 19, 2009 If you guys can listen to that crap everyday at work and not let it affect your views towards the opposite sex and not affect your relationship with spouse you are stronger people than I am.
whichwayisup Posted December 19, 2009 Posted December 19, 2009 If you guys can listen to that crap everyday at work and not let it affect your views towards the opposite sex and not affect your relationship with spouse you are stronger people than I am. We're not you, we haven't been through your painful experiences.. Just because this is how YOU handle it and react to it, doesn't mean that everyone else is going to flip out and let that crap upset them to the point of ruining their day, or taking it home with them and questioning their spouses' real intention, or feel mistrust. THAT IS YOU WOGGLE. NOT me, and probably not MOST on LS. Just because this is how you feel about it, doesn't mean it's true for the rest of us. Understand that, please. Respect that others feel differently about this than you and again, DO NOT react and take in this stuff like you do. I hope this makes sense to you.
Blindsidedagainalive Posted December 20, 2009 Posted December 20, 2009 The OM that ****ed my WW is most definately a bigger scumbag.
Author Woggle Posted December 20, 2009 Author Posted December 20, 2009 The OM that ****ed my WW is most definately a bigger scumbag. Your WW is even bigger scumbag than him. As for this thread I am going to start trusting my wife. I have issues with women and some of them I feel with good reason but it is no re ason to punish her or any other woman who has done nothing wrong. If men want better relationships with women we need to start appreciating the ones who do treat us well and that also works in reverse for women.
Blindsidedagainalive Posted December 20, 2009 Posted December 20, 2009 YOU TELL ME THAT TO MY FACE AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS! Hope you have a good dental plan.
whichwayisup Posted December 21, 2009 Posted December 21, 2009 . I have issues with women and some of them I feel with good reason but it is no re ason to punish her or any other woman who has done nothing wrong. Remember this next time you start to question everything..Stop yourself before you start to freak out.
Author Woggle Posted December 21, 2009 Author Posted December 21, 2009 YOU TELL ME THAT TO MY FACE AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS! Hope you have a good dental plan. Don't get mad at me because I place the blame squarely where it belongs. Om/OW are wrong but they would not be able to do what they do without a cheating spouse. Your wife chose to cheat and you should hold her accountable for that.
Boundary Problem Posted December 21, 2009 Posted December 21, 2009 Your WW is even bigger scumbag than him. As for this thread I am going to start trusting my wife. I have issues with women and some of them I feel with good reason but it is no re ason to punish her or any other woman who has done nothing wrong. If men want better relationships with women we need to start appreciating the ones who do treat us well and that also works in reverse for women. Woggle you just made my day. I nearly fell off my chair when I read this. Fantastic post.
Author Woggle Posted December 21, 2009 Author Posted December 21, 2009 Thoughts on what I said too? I very much agree. I think the high of the vacation combined with reality smacking me in the face on the first day of work caused me to freak out.
Trimmer Posted December 21, 2009 Posted December 21, 2009 The truth is not anger and loathing. I notice that nobody here actually refutes my posts. Nobody denies what I say. Lots of people have refuted and denied your rants, but most of us are so fatigued of trying to help that we have ceased to engage. Does that mean that because you have outlasted everyone, and you are the last one still shouting, that now "nobody denies what you say" and therefore that proves that you must be right? People either: (1) give up, so they don't bother to refute your posts any more, or (2) your selective vision misses contrary posts that don't match your current worldview-of-the-moment. Case in point: Today my father who despite everything he went through is not a misogynist told me I sound just like my mother. That is something for me to think about. Yes, hmmm, it would be something to think about: My only hope for you in all of this - and that hope is slim - is that you realize that this is sick. The strength and power you are respecting is that wielded by an abuser, and you are identifying with that, and taking it as your own. You are right, that is sick. Because you had no other role models in your developmental years, the only options you see are: (1) be a mis(ogyn/andr)ist abuser like your mother, or (2) be weak like your father. One extreme, or the other, with no middle ground. And you believe that everybody else has no choice but to live on the same poles, either (1) misandrist women, or (2) weak men - no middle ground. Does it not tear at you that you identify so strongly with the mother that you recognize as abusive and damaging?
Blindsidedagainalive Posted December 21, 2009 Posted December 21, 2009 Don't get mad at me because I place the blame squarely where it belongs. Om/OW are wrong but they would not be able to do what they do without a cheating spouse. Your wife chose to cheat and you should hold her accountable for that. Don't be ridiculous WOGGLE. You know what I am pissed about. I am pissed because you called her a bigger scumbag than the OM. I know where the blame goes. That does NOT mean that the OM is NOT a scumbag. My WW was going through a tremendously difficult time. Her brother and Dad were dying. Our dog was crippled. My Father was living in our house giving me hell. The OM, a manager at her job, became aware of all of this....and used it to manipulate her. I AM NOT JUSTIFYING HER CATASTROPHIC DECISION. She is the one who should be committed to me. OM cheated on his first wife, was a dead-beat father, and cheated on his 2nd wife. Also, I later learned that he got another subordinate pregnant. So, I think he is a BIGGER scumbag than my wife. Calling someones wife a scumbag says a lot about you. I do not say anything on these boards that I would not say to anyones face. If you call a man's wife a scumbag to his face, whether you think she is or not, is VERY dangerous. At least it is in Kearny, NJ.... I'm sure it's the same down Seaside. NOBODY has ever said anything like that to me, nor have I ever said that to anyone.
NoIDidn't Posted December 21, 2009 Posted December 21, 2009 Today my father who despite everything he went through is not a misogynist told me I sound just like my mother. That is something for me to think about. I'm glad you are thinking about what your father said to you. And I am glad that your father said it to you, instead of someone here, as you would have just brushed it off (especially if it was said by a woman).
Author Woggle Posted December 22, 2009 Author Posted December 22, 2009 Don't get mad at me because I place the blame squarely where it belongs. Om/OW are wrong but they would not be able to do what they do without a cheating spouse. Your wife chose to cheat and you should hold her accountable for that. Don't be ridiculous WOGGLE. You know what I am pissed about. I am pissed because you called her a bigger scumbag than the OM. I know where the blame goes. That does NOT mean that the OM is NOT a scumbag. My WW was going through a tremendously difficult time. Her brother and Dad were dying. Our dog was crippled. My Father was living in our house giving me hell. The OM, a manager at her job, became aware of all of this....and used it to manipulate her. I AM NOT JUSTIFYING HER CATASTROPHIC DECISION. She is the one who should be committed to me. OM cheated on his first wife, was a dead-beat father, and cheated on his 2nd wife. Also, I later learned that he got another subordinate pregnant. So, I think he is a BIGGER scumbag than my wife. Calling someones wife a scumbag says a lot about you. I do not say anything on these boards that I would not say to anyones face. If you call a man's wife a scumbag to his face, whether you think she is or not, is VERY dangerous. At least it is in Kearny, NJ.... I'm sure it's the same down Seaside. NOBODY has ever said anything like that to me, nor have I ever said that to anyone. So you would be ready to fight me over a woman who has no respect for you and your marriage and is willing to betray you? The OM is wrong but your wife is the number one person to blame. She chose to betray you and cheat on the man she vowed to love so place the blame where it belongs. Don't get mad at me for telling you the truth you need to hear.
Blindsidedagainalive Posted December 22, 2009 Posted December 22, 2009 Don't get mad at me for telling you the truth you need to hear. I already know the truth. You are not enlightening me. I am angry because you called my WW A BIGGER SCUMBAG THAN OM. BOTH PEOPLE ARE ACCOUNTABLE. I blame WW for her choices. The OM's wife I'm sure blames him. Do you not get that you do not call another man's wife a Scumbag....even if you think so? If this is what you do, how do you have teeth?
D-Lish Posted December 22, 2009 Posted December 22, 2009 So you would be ready to fight me over a woman who has no respect for you and your marriage and is willing to betray you? The OM is wrong but your wife is the number one person to blame. She chose to betray you and cheat on the man she vowed to love so place the blame where it belongs. Don't get mad at me for telling you the truth you need to hear. Agreed- everything you have pointed out is the cold hard truth. I think people need to focus blame in the wrong places sometimes in order for things to make sense. If we can blame a third party for our partner cheating, it is somehow easier to swallow. As for you- well, I continue to be blown away by your revelations:love:
Author Woggle Posted December 22, 2009 Author Posted December 22, 2009 Don't get mad at me for telling you the truth you need to hear. I already know the truth. You are not enlightening me. I am angry because you called my WW A BIGGER SCUMBAG THAN OM. BOTH PEOPLE ARE ACCOUNTABLE. I blame WW for her choices. The OM's wife I'm sure blames him. Do you not get that you do not call another man's wife a Scumbag....even if you think so? If this is what you do, how do you have teeth? Yes I called her a scumbag because that is what she is. You called a man a scumbag who was mearly an accesory to her betrayal. If he is a scumbag then what is she? He did not vow to love and cherish you and he did not vow to stay faithful to you? She did and she went back on every one of those promises so why are you willing to fight me over this woman?
Blindsidedagainalive Posted December 22, 2009 Posted December 22, 2009 And you will never get it. And you will drive your non-cheating wife away. And you can pal around with your loser stud friend, looking like worn out old pathetic horn balls.....thinking you are womanizers. Which will seem quite normal in your neck of the woods. And you will curse her for causing it. And you will justify it in your own mind. And you will torture a new broken woman......on and on. I originally commented on your post to support you, and you lash back. DO NOT COMMENT ON MY THREADS AND I WILL DO THE SAME. I am now on the list of people who are done with you.
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