Why Men & Women Suck

[Green]

Women are often over emotional and create realities with rules that are impossible to understand and ever changing. It creates a situation where you can’t win, an example of this is where she asks a man to pick something and there is no right answer. Women often believe themselves to be equal to men in every way some times even in physical strength and this is often not the case. Finally women are not generally tough and will break down instead of confronting head things head on and more often result to trickery. They often expect more from others then they do themselves and not always forgiving.

 

Men these days lack confidence, they often lack proper goals and are lazy coupled with a general sense of undeserved entitlement. Oh yes and boring and angry.

 

Feel free to add your own and or comment on what I have written.

[TheLoneSock]

Women are often over emotional and create realities with rules that are impossible to understand and ever changing. It creates a situation where you can’t win, an example of this is where she asks a man to pick something and there is no right answer. Women often believe themselves to be equal to men in every way some times even in physical strength and this is often not the case. Finally women are not generally tough and will break down instead of confronting head things head on and more often result to trickery. They often expect more from others then they do themselves and not always forgiving.

 

Men these days lack confidence, they often lack proper goals and are lazy coupled with a general sense of undeserved entitlement. Oh yes and boring and angry.

 

Feel free to add your own and or comment on what I have written.

 

Anyone who takes this thread and runs with it, adding all sorts of things they dislike about the opposite gender, is probably as jaded as the color your name describes, OP.

 

Complaining gets people no where.

[betamanlet]

Women are often over emotional and create realities with rules that are impossible to understand and ever changing. It creates a situation where you can’t win, an example of this is where she asks a man to pick something and there is no right answer. Women often believe themselves to be equal to men in every way some times even in physical strength and this is often not the case. Finally women are not generally tough and will break down instead of confronting head things head on and more often result to trickery. They often expect more from others then they do themselves and not always forgiving.

 

Men these days lack confidence, they often lack proper goals and are lazy coupled with a general sense of undeserved entitlement. Oh yes and boring and angry.

 

Feel free to add your own and or comment on what I have written.

 

 

Nah, i think women want entertainment more than a relationship. I'm not the most fascinating guy on earth, but I had goals, put myself through college and law school, am now a lawyer, so I cannot be called "goalless", but still, women always seem to be going for guys that can provide the most drama for them. I'm boring because I'm stable and predictable.

[Jersey Shortie]

Why is your list longer for the reason's women suck then the reason's men suck?

[Green]

Anyone who takes this thread and runs with it, adding all sorts of things they dislike about the opposite gender, is probably as jaded as the color your name describes, OP.

 

Complaining gets people no where.

 

Sticks and stones, love.

[Green]

Nah, i think women want entertainment more than a relationship. I'm not the most fascinating guy on earth, but I had goals, put myself through college and law school, am now a lawyer, so I cannot be called "goalless", but still, women always seem to be going for guys that can provide the most drama for them. I'm boring because I'm stable and predictable.

 

I realize women want entertainment and you need to be exciting to keep a women happy thats why I put men down for being boring. And yes you probably are boring but seems like your a smart guy who has done well for himself so why not treat a lucky lady to some adventure and not be so boring

[Green]

Why is your list longer for the reason's women suck then the reason's men suck?

 

The list is longer for men, I put 6 bad things about men only 5 about women. But the paragraph for women is bigger because I found it needed more explaining... I should have made them equal size

[betamanlet]

I realize women want entertainment and you need to be exciting to keep a women happy thats why I put men down for being boring. And yes you probably are boring but seems like your a smart guy who has done well for himself so why not treat a lucky lady to some adventure and not be so boring

Because the kind of excitement women seem to want these days involves breaking laws, which would cost me my career.

 

Stuff like having sex in public, which apparently is a fantasy for many women, could cost me my entire career.

 

Why is it my job to entertain you?

[sally4sara]

Men suck these days because the moment things don't go exactly how they want, they think its all because of women and can't possibly be their attitude. They have really always sucked because they can't roll well with the times and still think the double standards apply and women will swoon and spread their legs immediately if they act like demanding children so long as they drop the right amount of money and drive the proper car. They bitch when this sometimes does happen but they really bitch when it doesn't.

 

Women suck these days because they don't present a united front against these old games. Some are still content to be purchased and lied to as long as it gets them to the church on time with an effing slave mined rock on their finger. We still have some women actually believing the crap in Cosmo and believing they need that new -purse, shoes, hair extensions, boob job, to be a woman so they can go out a drink enough to be excused for sleeping with a guy they barely know.

[Green]

Because the kind of excitement women seem to want these days involves breaking laws, which would cost me my career.

 

Stuff like having sex in public, which apparently is a fantasy for many women, could cost me my entire career.

 

Why is it my job to entertain you?

 

Lately I've been thinking of life as a prison. The system has rules and you can play by them and be rewarded or make your own rules and suffer the consequences when things don't work out.

 

If you were dating a girl and you knew a little thing like sex on the beach or what ever would make her happy I think you could risk it. Heck your a lawyer if a cop found you I doubt you'd say anything and you could deny it and charges wouldn't even be pressed. The best richest lawyer in town here had a dui a few years back after he was already a lawyer, so did the former president although he broke other laws while in office mostly constitutional.

[espec10001]

Humanity sucks lets just become robots.

[espec10001]

Lately I've been thinking of life as a prison. The system has rules and you can play by them and be rewarded or make your own rules and suffer the consequences when things don't work out.

 

If you were dating a girl and you knew a little thing like sex on the beach or what ever would make her happy I think you could risk it. Heck your a lawyer if a cop found you I doubt you'd say anything and you could deny it and charges wouldn't even be pressed. The best richest lawyer in town here had a dui a few years back after he was already a lawyer, so did the former president although he broke other laws while in office mostly constitutional.

 

Well you are getting a little closer to some truth when you consider physical life to be a prison. The main problem in life is there are men who have stronger wills than you, more money than you, more power than you. And they force their will upon yours (laws), rendering your will ineffective.

 

So you, as a man, have to develop an ability or skill which represents YOUR will. All men have visions of how things SHOULD be, according to them, but they don't have the resources or the influence to actually cause it to happen.

 

Thus men of power, money, and fame will always get scores of women. But it is only a fleeting reward. Remember that, women do not last forever.

[Kamille]

 

ah Green! You're priceless.

 

I agree, humans suck equally, which also means humans are equally great.

 

As to rules and consequences: the best strategy I have found, is to find your niche and go with it. There is often power in breaking expected social roles.

 

Example: the very fact that I don't fall prey to 'men-are-jerks' mentality actually makes me stand out and means that - while I'm average looking, men usually really dig me and are quick to suggest committed relationships.

[phineas]

my STBXW didn't suck very well.

Maybe the next girl will.

[betamanlet]

Well you are getting a little closer to some truth when you consider physical life to be a prison. The main problem in life is there are men who have stronger wills than you, more money than you, more power than you. And they force their will upon yours (laws), rendering your will ineffective.

 

So you, as a man, have to develop an ability or skill which represents YOUR will. All men have visions of how things SHOULD be, according to them, but they don't have the resources or the influence to actually cause it to happen.

 

Thus men of power, money, and fame will always get scores of women. But it is only a fleeting reward. Remember that, women do not last forever.

 

 

You basically need to be a sociopath to "successfully" date these days, because people treat each other so badly. If you feel nothing for the other person, you won't get hurt. I always feel way too much, so I know that it's so likely to end badly that I'm better off not trying. Until I can really not care, and have lots of options, I know I have no business even trying.

[jollymon]

my experience has shown me that the reason people get frustrated is b/c they choose to play into the drama of dating. When I made my lines clear of what I wasn't going to tolerate (the lies, deceipt, games,etc) and no longer would tolerate someone else's crap it soon all disappeared form my dating life.

 

In the event one did slip under my radar it became much easier to notice it & get rid of it. I found the reason I was dealing with "crap" was b/c I was allowing it. Once I took responsibility & made the changes everything turned around.

[phineas]

You basically need to be a sociopath to "successfully" date these days, because people treat each other so badly. If you feel nothing for the other person, you won't get hurt. I always feel way too much, so I know that it's so likely to end badly that I'm better off not trying. Until I can really not care, and have lots of options, I know I have no business even trying.

 

I'm seperated. I have options but I really want ot wait until the divorce papers are signed.

So i'm using the time until then to do some searching.......for my abs.

 

I figure getting in shape can only help me get more options.

 

The options I have now have told me they won't date a married man.

I am almost certain should I drop the last 15 to 20lbs I need to get rid of my pouch those options would re-evaluate their stance in fear of another woman who isn't concerned with the stigma of dateing a seperated person & would make a move.

 

I believe this because I am asked at least once a month how my divorce is going & when I think it will be final.

 

I don't want anything serious, but after 9 months of seperation i'm getting kind of lonely.

[betamanlet]

my experience has shown me that the reason people get frustrated is b/c they choose to play into the drama of dating. When I made my lines clear of what I wasn't going to tolerate (the lies, deceipt, games,etc) and no longer would tolerate someone else's crap it soon all disappeared form my dating life.

 

In the event one did slip under my radar it became much easier to notice it & get rid of it. I found the reason I was dealing with "crap" was b/c I was allowing it. Once I took responsibility & made the changes everything turned around.

 

 

Problem with that advice, which is good advice, is that it eliminates so many people. If I say "I will not date women who play games", I'll eliminate 90% of women. it's like a woman refusing to date a guy who is shorter than 6'3.

[betamanlet]

I'm seperated. I have options but I really want ot wait until the divorce papers are signed.

So i'm using the time until then to do some searching.......for my abs.

 

I figure getting in shape can only help me get more options.

 

The options I have now have told me they won't date a married man.

I am almost certain should I drop the last 15 to 20lbs I need to get rid of my pouch those options would re-evaluate their stance in fear of another woman who isn't concerned with the stigma of dateing a seperated person & would make a move.

 

I believe this because I am asked at least once a month how my divorce is going & when I think it will be final.

 

I don't want anything serious, but after 9 months of seperation i'm getting kind of lonely.

 

 

Wow, if anything, I would think being married would help you (not for someone for a serious reliationship). But everyone I know since they've been wearing wedding rings has gotten a lot more female interest, because women desire men that other women desire. A wedding ring is a seal of approval.

 

9 months is nothing. I haven't been on a date in over 2 years, and dread the thought of going on another one.

[phineas]

Problem with that advice, which is good advice, is that it eliminates so many people. If I say "I will not date women who play games", I'll eliminate 90% of women. it's like a woman refusing to date a guy who is shorter than 6'3.

 

Yeah, that logic made me single for about 4 yrs.

Then I played a little & got dates.

 

I have to play the game, but how much I play is up to me.

Some women just need a little to get them interested.

It's like you have to show them pretty isn't enough to get me interested in them.

 

Those that need full out drama I avoid.

[threebyfate]

I can confidently say that over 90% of the Earth's population, are individuals I wouldn't bring close to me, whether romantically or friendship-wise. Of this 90%, about 5% suck like nobody's business, another 5% should be put down, with the balance 80%, varying levels of decent people who have interests and lives that are too different, to relate in any close way.

[phineas]

Wow, if anything, I would think being married would help you (not for someone for a serious reliationship). But everyone I know since they've been wearing wedding rings has gotten a lot more female interest, because women desire men that other women desire. A wedding ring is a seal of approval.

 

9 months is nothing. I haven't been on a date in over 2 years, and dread the thought of going on another one.

 

Both women knew me when I was taken & showed interest but backed off when I told them I was taken.

 

Now that i'm seperated they have shown a lot of interest in me but arn't to thrilled about dateing a seperated man.

 

Which I agree is very smart on thier part.

 

Why else would they call me & periodically ask about when my divorce is final?

 

but, I have to play the game. I don't return their calls or their texts right away. I have to act like their not that important to me right now.

 

It keeps me out of the FZ.

[Green]

Men suck these days because the moment things don't go exactly how they want, they think its all because of women and can't possibly be their attitude. They have really always sucked because they can't roll well with the times and still think the double standards apply and women will swoon and spread their legs immediately if they act like demanding children so long as they drop the right amount of money and drive the proper car. They bitch when this sometimes does happen but they really bitch when it doesn't.

 

Women suck these days because they don't present a united front against these old games. Some are still content to be purchased and lied to as long as it gets them to the church on time with an effing slave mined rock on their finger. We still have some women actually believing the crap in Cosmo and believing they need that new -purse, shoes, hair extensions, boob job, to be a woman so they can go out a drink enough to be excused for sleeping with a guy they barely know.

 

hmm yeah men and women can be materialistic

 

 

Humanity sucks lets just become robots.

 

If things continue down the same path we just might.

 

 

ah Green! You're priceless.

 

I agree, humans suck equally, which also means humans are equally great.

 

As to rules and consequences: the best strategy I have found, is to find your niche and go with it. There is often power in breaking expected social roles.

 

Example: the very fact that I don't fall prey to 'men-are-jerks' mentality actually makes me stand out and means that - while I'm average looking, men usually really dig me and are quick to suggest committed relationships.

 

I know some one could price me but thanks. And who said you're average looking?

 

my experience has shown me that the reason people get frustrated is b/c they choose to play into the drama of dating. When I made my lines clear of what I wasn't going to tolerate (the lies, deceipt, games,etc) and no longer would tolerate someone else's crap it soon all disappeared form my dating life.

 

In the event one did slip under my radar it became much easier to notice it & get rid of it. I found the reason I was dealing with "crap" was b/c I was allowing it. Once I took responsibility & made the changes everything turned around.

 

whether you choose to deal with it or not it still exists but you have controled your exposure to it.

 

I'm seperated. I have options but I really want ot wait until the divorce papers are signed.

So i'm using the time until then to do some searching.......for my abs.

 

I figure getting in shape can only help me get more options.

 

The options I have now have told me they won't date a married man.

I am almost certain should I drop the last 15 to 20lbs I need to get rid of my pouch those options would re-evaluate their stance in fear of another woman who isn't concerned with the stigma of dateing a seperated person & would make a move.

 

I believe this because I am asked at least once a month how my divorce is going & when I think it will be final.

 

I don't want anything serious, but after 9 months of seperation i'm getting kind of lonely.

 

Getting in shape and taking care of your body is one aspect of self respect something both men and women should have.

 

Wow, if anything, I would think being married would help you (not for someone for a serious reliationship). But everyone I know since they've been wearing wedding rings has gotten a lot more female interest, because women desire men that other women desire. A wedding ring is a seal of approval.

 

9 months is nothing. I haven't been on a date in over 2 years, and dread the thought of going on another one.

 

To bad being married doesn't always help you out with the woman you've married.

 

I can confidently say that over 90% of the Earth's population, are individuals I wouldn't bring close to me, whether romantically or friendship-wise. Of this 90%, about 5% suck like nobody's business, another 5% should be put down, with the balance 80%, varying levels of decent people who have interests and lives that are too different, to relate in any close way.

 

Of the people I've met a great deal anoy me.

[DolceVenganza]

Life IS what you make of it.

Life IS what you think it is.

 

YOUR perception is reality.

 

So what you THINK about the opposite sex colors YOUR reaction to them, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy, and you act out PRECISELY what you believe women (and the world to be).

 

WE truly are our greatest enemy.

 

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If a man (or woman) has a jaded, negative attitude toward women (or men), they deflate and diminish their own energy. To paint a picture of this at work, think of how you behave when you are confident and excited about going out versus when you are dejected, negative, and cynical about going one night?

 

In 1 example, you deactivate your own power and energy, in the other example you activate and amplify your energy.

 

This isn't SECRET bull****, but rather common sense about how the human mind works. LIFE is not etched in stone - it is what it is BASED on you entirely.

 

In all cases that I went out to "have fun" with friends and just engaged in the moment, acted positively, confidently, and activated, things flowed - not because I NEEDED them to ... but because I had no expectations but confidence in myself and love for the moment.

 

Guys who sulk have already cast their own doom. I see this in friends. When we've gone camping and there's 150 co-eds in very tight quarters, opportunities are all around them, but they sulk because the current REALITY does not fit their truly NEGATIVE outlook. They desire to be light on fire, when THEY must light themselves on fire.

 

Put another way, visualize 2 women. The first is a mopy, sad, despondent, negative, yet cute girl, and the other is similar in looks, but her attitude is positive, uplifting, proactive, and fun. The Negative girl is seeking to be turned and uplifted by a man, while the Positive girl wants to bring HER energy into peoples' lifes.

 

Who would you approach? Who would approach you? Who would provide IOI's about whether to approach and your chances?

 

THE HAPPY ONE. The one who doesn't NEED to be activated or turned on by the emergence of a man (or woman), but who ACTIVATES HERSELF - this is SELF-sufficiency at its Penultimate: Your Own Mental attitude, your feelings, your outlook on life, etc. THAT is true self-suffiency, independence, and personal responsibility.

 

You don't have to BUY what I am saying - however, such 'laws' (which I use loosely) still govern you anyways.

 

Sulking about what IS or isn't does NOTHING for you. Nothing. And that's all you care about. Not Gloria steinem, feminism, the media, the state of dating or divorce - none of that matters. If we disregard that and deal only with ourselves, our ideal 'partner', and that reality, none of that other BS matters! It really doesn't.

 

I used to post ALOT on other message boards, but I have since given up. Only on the occasion I see a post where I feel people are trapped in their own maze and can't emerge do I post. The point is - no one can give me advice. The point is in figuring out myself. In the NOT KNOWING of what life is. In the mysteries of these situations. Of the chaos of life. Of designing LIFE along my lines for me, with no reliance on others or 'emotional leaning.'

 

~DV

[deux ex machina]

Women are often over emotional and create realities with rules that are impossible to understand and ever changing.

 

This could happen to the woman you describe because she was being fed a bunch of bs about always and forever having to be “sweet and nice” in order to be perceived as feminine and acceptable. Perhaps she’s picked up somewhere along the line the feeling that she cannot communicate her needs and desires out in the open – but everyone has needs, and sooner or later hers will come out.

 

In your scenario, he is entitled - so he tunes it out as unimportant. Her volume gets louder and seemingly more irrational. He tunes her out more and more. She gets resentful. Maybe she quits trying.

 

One day, he wakes up and it’s too late. The love is gone, she’s on her way out of the door – and he’s shocked at this development.

 

Worse yet (barring the entitlement/not listening thing), she doesn’t ever really communicate her desires effectively, and the bloke really is blindsided.

 

All of this, because she was taught she “must be nice”.

 

But really, how “nice and sweet” was all of that botched, fear-based lack of proper communication, anyway? It’s not. It’s not being very respectful to anyone.

 

It creates a situation where you can’t win, an example of this is where she asks a man to pick something and there is no right answer. Women often believe themselves to be equal to men in every way some times even in physical strength and this is often not the case. Finally women are not generally tough and will break down instead of confronting head things head on and more often result to trickery.

 

This could be that she gets some sense of (false) power from being seen as passive, but it’s pretty unrealistic – it’s well near impossible to get anywhere in life by folding constantly. Sooner or later there will be confrontations. This isn’t a bad thing. It’s a part of life. So…she’s being perceived as “nice”…when in reality she’s being anything but truly kind. Instead she’s simply working to keep up the façade, and not “confronting things head on” as you described.

 

They often expect more from others then they do themselves and not always forgiving.

 

This is again due to her not taking a chance and being herself. This can lead to unspoken expectations being applied to other people. It would be valuable to her if she could learn to truly communicate and to learn the art of compromise.

 

This would require her being true to herself (not constantly passive and "nice"), and allowing that there are going to be plenty of people that will not be comfortable with it. She will get heat about this from both men and women. But she will be happier, because she won’t be playing games to Get something from Someone.

 

Men these days lack confidence, they often lack proper goals and are lazy coupled with a general sense of undeserved entitlement.

 

Maybe this guy doesn’t feel they have a whole lot to offer (in his perception)? Perhaps feeling that if the woman doesn’t need him, she wouldn’t want him in the long run. If true, that would be a belief based on fear.

 

That would be a shame if he doesn’t have enough faith in himself. I would certainly hope he can find a way to feel be good enough without having to have someone be beholden to them in order for her to be motivated enough to stick around.

 

His sense of entitlement leads to not truly listening to her, thinking of it as noise. It’s a terrible mistake to do that. Especially if she grows silent. Bad news.

 

Oh yes and boring and angry.

 

It could be once in a long-term he thinks, or hopes, all is well by default (as long as voices aren’t raised or anything), so he doesn’t want to rock the boat by changing much – even to make things better.

 

I think he should take a chance at rocking the boat sometimes. Have a little faith that the relationship can grow, as two people - together – not apart. Life isn’t static, and by thinking that everything’s okay so he shouldn’t have to work at making thing adventurous or whatever is one of the ways he could end up being seen as taking her for granted.

 

On the other hand, the woman and the man in your scenario likely wouldn’t be making it clear what their needs/desires are, anyway.

 

So yes, the man and woman in your post do suck.

 

Really, it’s the roles that they don’t question and decided to accept that suck, though.