Art_Critic Posted December 14, 2009 Posted December 14, 2009 You would think that...... I don't think that..
Woggle Posted December 14, 2009 Posted December 14, 2009 Money hands down. If I have money I can invest it wisely but if I choose love and she turns on me like many women do I am still broke.
Lizzie60 Posted December 14, 2009 Posted December 14, 2009 I would definitely choose love.. but if the guy is not 'financially comfortable' I wouldn't even bother with him in the first place.. so it's almost impossible for me to fall for a 'poor' guy...
InspiredbyYou Posted December 14, 2009 Posted December 14, 2009 Her brother is a lawyer and it was done with his help. Well seems I've called it pretty much.. Threebyfate, it seems you've changed your tune now from the It's not possible to "hide" money like that, in this day and age of electronic medium to now challenging all the ways I expressed that this is indeed done. Not interested in getting into a mental wank with you. I'm glad you now accept that money can be hidden which is a switch from your earlier dismissive and arrogant post. See even you can learn something new!
e.clipse Posted December 14, 2009 Posted December 14, 2009 money, absolutely. however, not someone else's money, as i'd rather not be handed things without working for them in some way or another. it is preferable to work away and make money one (legal) way or another. in the end, i believe one will find it far more invaluable. in regards to what this post is truly about, however: you should not stay with someone who wants you to denigrade yourself and lose all sense of self-worth. if you even remotely consider it, it is not because you love him -- it is because you don't love yourself and are full of nothing but fear.
burning 4 revenge Posted December 14, 2009 Posted December 14, 2009 Refer to the customs form of declaring cash per each trip. It's not difficult to track this in the current environment, especially if you make quite a number of trips. The more trips with cash, the more you're going to look like a drug mule. Someone will catch on. Jewelry is a marital asset unless it's gifted by the other spouse. She can't gift herself and any substantial gifts she gives to an OM, can be clawed back as disposition of marital assets. How many wires will she need to make, to supposedly move substantial amounts of money? This is also electronically done, so it's tracked as well. Drug dealers and money launderers try this all the time. Financial Institutions are legally obligated to report suspicious multiple activities. Also electronically tracked and legally, if it moves from one beneficial holder to another, the brokerage firm is legally obligated to consider it a sale, whereby she will have to pay tax on the proceeds of the sale. Many electronic mediums don't allow movement of stock between beneficial holders, from firm to firm. You still need money to buy gold offshore, hence an electronic audit trail Refer to above responses. We're supposedly not talking about nickel anty. If she's seriously wealthy, we're talking about moving 7 to 10 figures. Everything has an audit trail and multiple transactions are suspicious activity. Someone sounds like theyre ready for law school Actually you sound like youve already been to law school Too bad abbut the kid
meerkat stew Posted December 14, 2009 Posted December 14, 2009 1. We don't know the specifics of duped W and duped exH's marital agreements, nor do we know their respective levels of wealth pre marriage. We don't know nearly enough to meaningfully conjecture about gifts, irrevocable trusts, or other assets that would not be part of the marital estate. For all we know, all the assets transferred to Conman were -not- part of the marital estate, and thus subject to entirely legitimate transfer to Conman. We just don't know. 2. We don't know the nature of the car, business or house transferred to Conman. We don't know, for example, if the business was one of the many "unprofitable" businesses with a large cash component out and about. We don't know if legitimate gift taxes were paid or not on the transferred assets. 3. We do know that a con man who accepted gifted assets from a mark without proper transfer of title would be a notably incompetent con man. Regardless of how difficult it is to move large amount of cash through the legitimate banking system without scrutiny, and how much more difficult it is these days to hide assets overseas in a post Patriot Act climate, nothing in OP's story suggests that it is implausible and made up. We should give her the benefit of the doubt.
thegreatmoose Posted December 14, 2009 Posted December 14, 2009 This isn't the 1920's It's not to grasp.. it isn't possible to do that without alerting the authorities.. duh ! There is also the issue of the paper trail.. you can't buy a company with cash today.. cash in a bank ( paper trail ).. yes.. but not hard cash... Really?? Bernie Madoff defrauded people and organizations out of 50 billion and there were so many red flags that were ignored for years. I wonder how many times that a "mere" few million gets hidden without anyone catching on. Even if there is a paper trail of some of it, that doesn't mean that the government will catch on. It often takes lots of resources and detective work to catch these people. Sure some of them get caught, but nowhere near all of them.
InspiredbyYou Posted December 14, 2009 Posted December 14, 2009 (edited) AND madoff was BIG TIME he was so easy to track. Talk about an individual with a bit of cash, virtually impossible IF they know what they are doing. At the end of the day is not about the paper trails because it is not illegal to have an offshore, what IS illegal is the hefty tax shelters. When you get into "certain numbers" and transactions that is when the whistles go off Edited December 14, 2009 by InspiredbyYou
threebyfate Posted December 14, 2009 Posted December 14, 2009 Someone sounds like theyre ready for law school Actually you sound like youve already been to law school Too bad abbut the kid Much of this is my industry, hence the knowledge base. I really hate it when people spout about crap they have zero knowledge about, like it's an easy and simple thing to do. There are illegal ways to hide money but not as defined within this thread. If the scenario, as describe in this thread, really did happen as such, the ex WILL be clawed back. It takes a hella' lot more than the crude ideas suggested, to move serious money around. Oh and before I forget, there's an audit trail if you want to convert paper/electronic gold certificates to bullion. There are also substantial fees assocated to doing so and reliant on amount of gold, it's very possible you will be denied the ability to do so. People need to stop reading scandal rags and made up fiction, before they assume that money laundering is so easy and possible.
InspiredbyYou Posted December 14, 2009 Posted December 14, 2009 Much of this is my industry, hence the knowledge base. I really hate it when people spout about crap they have zero knowledge about, like it's an easy and simple thing to do. There are illegal ways to hide money but not as defined within this thread. If the scenario, as describe in this thread, really did happen as such, the ex WILL be clawed back. It takes a hella' lot more than the crude ideas suggested, to move serious money around. Oh and before I forget, there's an audit trail if you want to convert paper/electronic gold certificates to bullion. There are also substantial fees assocated to doing so and reliant on amount of gold, it's very possible you will be denied the ability to do so. People need to stop reading scandal rags and made up fiction, before they assume that money laundering is so easy and possible. Yeah yeah yeah with google at my finger tips it's my industry too. People need to get up with the times, especially those who claim to be in the financial industry. To claim to be in the financial industry and to be oblivious to how money laundering works is like being a physician and not knowing how a stethoscope works. What I do see in your posts is that you are incredibly condescending and you don't allow others to have differing opinions to yours without trying to "brow beat" them down into submission. That says a lot about your comments as a whole.
threebyfate Posted December 14, 2009 Posted December 14, 2009 Yeah yeah yeah with google at my finger tips it's my industry too. People need to get up with the times, especially those who claim to be in the financial industry. To claim to be in the financial industry and to be oblivious to how money laundering works is like being a physician and not knowing how a stethoscope works. What I do see in your posts is that you are incredibly condescending and you don't allow others to have differing opinions to yours without trying to "brow beat" them down into submission. That says a lot about your comments as a whole. This is a personal attack Tomcat. You don't have a clue what you're talking about and it comes through clearly, in your suggestions of how this could happen. So admit that you're wrong and we'll get along fine. Otherwise, you're spouting nonsense.
thegreatmoose Posted December 14, 2009 Posted December 14, 2009 Much of this is my industry, hence the knowledge base. I really hate it when people spout about crap they have zero knowledge about, like it's an easy and simple thing to do. There are illegal ways to hide money but not as defined within this thread. If the scenario, as describe in this thread, really did happen as such, the ex WILL be clawed back. It takes a hella' lot more than the crude ideas suggested, to move serious money around. Oh and before I forget, there's an audit trail if you want to convert paper/electronic gold certificates to bullion. There are also substantial fees assocated to doing so and reliant on amount of gold, it's very possible you will be denied the ability to do so. People need to stop reading scandal rags and made up fiction, before they assume that money laundering is so easy and possible. Then why does it happen many times a day without the people even close to getting caught?
threebyfate Posted December 14, 2009 Posted December 14, 2009 Then why does it happen many times a day without the people even close to getting caught?What happens? Money laundering in general or as defined in this thread, a way to avoid division of marital assets by hiding assets in the crude way suggested within this thread?
e.clipse Posted December 14, 2009 Posted December 14, 2009 some people just never cease to make everything about themselves.
Author sunshine94 Posted December 14, 2009 Author Posted December 14, 2009 [People need to stop reading scandal rags and made up fiction, before they assume that money laundering is so easy and possible. Are you saying that I made this story up? Why would I do that?!? All I wanted to ask in this thread is if people in general would choose money over love. Just a question that has bothered me all these years, as I really did love this man and wanted to marry him and have his kids. I spent a very long time not being able to sleep and eat because he left me simply for money. We had a good relationship otherwise and had no reason to break up. He claimed he did love me and did not want to leave me, he said he was just setting himself up to be rich. Which he did manage to do at her emotional expense. I never knew that he was such a dirtbag and a con artist. The bad part is he broke up a family, when he knew all along he was not going to stay with the woman. I feel bad for the kids in this mess.
thegreatmoose Posted December 14, 2009 Posted December 14, 2009 What happens? Money laundering in general or as defined in this thread, a way to avoid division of marital assets by hiding assets in the crude way suggested within this thread? Both like in this thread and in many other ways
meerkat stew Posted December 14, 2009 Posted December 14, 2009 This is a personal attack Tomcat. Tomcat thread is Tomcat
threebyfate Posted December 14, 2009 Posted December 14, 2009 Are you saying that I made this story up?I'm suggesting that your ex is either full of poop or he's unaware that he hasn't exactly gotten away with it, if the way you mentioned, is what happened. Based on how you've already described him, it's probably the former reason. Why would I do that?!?Refer to above. All I wanted to ask in this thread is if people in general would choose money over love. Just a question that has bothered me all these years, as I really did love this man and wanted to marry him and have his kids. I spent a very long time not being able to sleep and eat because he left me simply for money. We had a good relationship otherwise and had no reason to break up. He claimed he did love me and did not want to leave me, he said he was just setting himself up to be rich. Which he did manage to do at her emotional expense. I never knew that he was such a dirtbag and a con artist. The bad part is he broke up a family, when he knew all along he was not going to stay with the woman. I feel bad for the kids in this mess.Stay away from this dirtbag. I'm glad you chose to break up with him.
thegreatmoose Posted December 14, 2009 Posted December 14, 2009 People need to stop reading scandal rags and made up fiction, before they assume that money laundering is so easy and possible. Why do you need to be so condescening to others? Can't you accept the fact that some who disagree with you have some knowledge about this too?
InspiredbyYou Posted December 14, 2009 Posted December 14, 2009 So admit that you're wrong and we'll get along fine. Yeah that's what it boils down to with you doesn't it. Sunshine quite a few of us believe your story it very possible.
threebyfate Posted December 14, 2009 Posted December 14, 2009 Both like in this thread and in many other waysPeople try all kinds of things but that doesn't mean they get away with it. As for money laundering in general, if you're talking serious money like organized crime, they use much more sophisticated methods of moving money around. One way is through charitable organizations. Sure, the odd mule drags cash around from place to place. But the risk of getting caught carrying around oodles of cash, whether from a legal authority catching you with an entire carry-on of cash through their scanners, to someone robbing you, isn't worth the effort. It's also not worth the effort to move under $10K per trip, since it would take 10 trips to move $100K, etc., which is nickel and dime stuff.
InspiredbyYou Posted December 15, 2009 Posted December 15, 2009 As for money laundering in general, if you're talking serious money like organized crime, they use much more sophisticated methods of moving money around. One way is through charitable organizations. We are not talking organized crime we are talking about the example the OP gave quit trying to derail the topic to whatever nonsense you want to argue about. You don't need such sophistication when you are talking about personal amounts of money. Even a million dollars is easy enough to take off shore with the examples I gave earlier.
threebyfate Posted December 15, 2009 Posted December 15, 2009 Why do you need to be so condescening to others? Can't you accept the fact that some who disagree with you have some knowledge about this too?Either you're going to add to the discussion which is about love or money, with an offshoot to hiding assets and money laundering, or we have nothing further to discuss. This personal attack stuff is such a waste of everyone's time.
meerkat stew Posted December 15, 2009 Posted December 15, 2009 Sunshine, I choose: Love, exciting and new Come aboard, we're expecting you Love, life's sweetest reward Let it flow, it floats back to you Love Boat soon will be making another run The Love Boat promises something for everyone Set a course for adventure Your mind on a new romance And love won't hurt anymore It's an open smile on a friendly shore It's love Welcome aboard It's love!
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