doushenka Posted December 13, 2009 Posted December 13, 2009 No human being's worth ought to ride on marital status or willingness to bear children. That said, I'd be willing to bet the "hateful agenda" makes plenty of people useless as spouses or parents, regardless of gender. I've seen it cut both ways.
Taramere Posted December 13, 2009 Posted December 13, 2009 Like I said before it is not the loudmouth who gos around shouting about how she hates men that is the problem. It is the woman who seems nice on the surface but lets the inner misandrist come out down the line that men really need to worry about. I think that the majority of women fall into the latter group. The friendliest of cats will eventually spring at your face - claws out - if you spend enough time irritating and prodding at it. Doesn't mean that cat hates all humans. Just means it can't stand you personally. Keep prodding away until you get the reaction you're looking for if that's what floats your boat, but it doesn't really prove a thing about women generally. All it proves is that you are an irritating, screwed up individual who women (and probably most men) tend to dislike.
Kamille Posted December 13, 2009 Posted December 13, 2009 (edited) It is a hateful agenda that pits man vs woman, and makes a large percentage of women useless as a wife or mother. Whereas your agenda has plenty of respect for both men and women. It's and intriguing theory calizaggy. So women are socialized to be little oppressing sheeps, but men somehow escape socializing and are 'real' and 'genuine'. Or is it only uneducated men who actually escape indoctrination? Oh, to whoever was talking about food costing more then ever... Not true. In this New Yorker article on the government pilot programs, the author reports that, since the 1920s, household income related to food has decreased from 40% to something like 18 % today. Cost of food has actually decreased. http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/12/14/091214fa_fact_gawande ps: I'm sure glad the men in my life don't have that chip on their shoulder. Edited December 13, 2009 by Kamille
D-Jam Posted December 14, 2009 Posted December 14, 2009 I think women who get rejected by men are quick to call the women these men pick derogatory names as much as the men call the guys who get all the women. Men will call the guys who get the girls bad boys, playas, jerks, *******s, etc. Women do the same when they call the girls who get the guys skanks, sluts, airheads, ditzes, etc. Frankly, men want feminine women who don't constantly become the bitch and/or challenge their every little thing. My last GF was annoying at times with her "I'm always right" attitude mixed in with a sheltered naivety. If a guy had to pick between the pornstar who dresses hot and freely opens up for sex VS the sitcom housewife who bitches, nags, challenges, and demeans her man...they'll pick the pornstar every time. You could have a PHd, be well literate, etc...but if you're sporting 200 lbs of weight, dress more like a guy, chop your hair short, and worse look down on a lot of guys...then don't be surprised if you end up alone. Women need to still remember to be women...like men need to be men and not boys or girls even.
sally4sara Posted December 14, 2009 Posted December 14, 2009 You could have a PHd, be well literate, etc...but if you're sporting 200 lbs of weight, dress more like a guy, chop your hair short, and worse look down on a lot of guys...then don't be surprised if you end up alone. Women need to still remember to be women...like men need to be men and not boys or girls even. Last time I checked, long hair and dresses or a certain weight, doesn't a woman make. It takes all types for us all to find someone appealing. If you're speaking for yourself - great! Not everyone need to be your flavor of attractive to find someone though. I have a preference too, but I don't give men who don't match it less value as people or think they're not men.
deux ex machina Posted December 14, 2009 Posted December 14, 2009 Last time I checked, long hair and dresses or a certain weight, doesn't a woman make. It takes all types for us all to find someone appealing. If you're speaking for yourself - great! Not everyone need to be your flavor of attractive to find someone though. I have a preference too, but I don't give men who don't match it less value as people or think they're not men. Beautifully said.
donnamaybe Posted December 14, 2009 Posted December 14, 2009 First of all let me say that I don't believe too many people are stupid and incapable of learning unless their name is Sarah Palin. The women that other women deem as airheads tend to be much nicer and much less complicated. Life is hard enough without adding more difficulty to it so why would a man want to make his love life harder then it has to be. Many of these so called intellectual women with a bunch of degrees are very elitist and feel that every man is below them. They have a very snooty vibe to them and for all their book smarts they know very little about human relationships. They seem to thrive off of drama and have little to no regard for a man's feelings. If their emotions tell them to cheat they will do it and not feel the least bit of remorse about it. They will then intellectualize it. Airheads might be simple but they usually have a heart of gold and love treating a man well. In many ways they know more about life than women with a bunch of degrees. Life and love is so much easier with them and with most of them you can actually teach them about the world and show them new experiences. The moral of the story is that no matter how well educated a woman is or how independent or smart she is if she is not an easy to get along with person and does not care about treating a man well none of that matters. Men are not repulsed by independent and smart women but so many of them lack the basics that attract a man in the first place. If a woman has the basics everything else will fall into place. So with all this, Woggle, are you telling us your wife is stupid?
Jersey Shortie Posted December 14, 2009 Posted December 14, 2009 If a guy had to pick between the pornstar who dresses hot and freely opens up for sex VS the sitcom housewife who bitches, nags, challenges, and demeans her man...they'll pick the pornstar every time. Both examples are complete fantasies and stereotypes. no woman is all nag or bitch and no woman is all pornstar. So if you are rating and comparing women based on these examples, you are going to be waiting around a long time. I hope you and other men realize the fantasy elements in these examples and aren't seriously hoping a woman lives up to those false expectations.
D-Jam Posted December 14, 2009 Posted December 14, 2009 Last time I checked, long hair and dresses or a certain weight, doesn't a woman make. It takes all types for us all to find someone appealing. If you're speaking for yourself - great! Not everyone need to be your flavor of attractive to find someone though. I have a preference too, but I don't give men who don't match it less value as people or think they're not men. You understand the point I was making though? My main point was that whenever I see these topics of women complaining why all the guys pass them up to chase the "skanks", "sluts", or "airheads", the reasons are usually either that the complainer herself dresses/carries herself in a way that turns most men off...or...they're out there rejecting the guys who would have them and instead pursuing the men who would reject them for "skanks", "sluts", or "airheads". Geez...looking at some of the responses here it's almost as if some are threatened by my words. Yes I named some extremes, but it is also a reality of the dating game out there. It's no different than when you have one guy who's very average looking in a polo and khakis standing next to tall dark and handsome in an armani. More women will go after Mr Armani over Mr Average...even if Mr Armani is a total *******. I'm not telling women to "slut themselves up" or "dumb themselves down" to get a man, but sometimes you have to really think if the shouts of "I'LL NEVER SETTLE!" are more a good idea or a big obstacle. If your choices in men and qualifications for men and the way you carry yourself/treat men end up with you alone on weekends, then brains/education/class or not, you're obviously doing things that drive them off. Although nowadays it seems to be a double-standard. If men do these things we're told to change, to lower our bar for women, and to compromise...but women do this and they're told to never settle, "you go girl", and "men should change for you". If you don't like my honesty, then I don't know what to tell you.
donnamaybe Posted December 14, 2009 Posted December 14, 2009 Do you realize you are arguing over a thread started by a man who claims to have the ONLY good woman on the planet but then claims only an airhead is worth being with?
sally4sara Posted December 14, 2009 Posted December 14, 2009 A point that quickly devolves angrily into: If you don't like my honesty, then I don't know what to tell you. You really didn't have to tell me anything. I didn't assume you were a horrible person for the post I responded to. I'm not clear on why you're reacting as though I said you were horrible for your opinion. I even said you saying these things about yourself to be great as long as you can accept that others can and do have a different one than you. I now think simple engagement of conversation with you by any women qualifies as "bitching and challenging you on every little thing".
threebyfate Posted December 14, 2009 Posted December 14, 2009 If you're an extraordinary man, you're going to target extraordinary women. If you're a run-o'-the-mill guy, you can try to target extraordinary women but good luck with that. Most likely, you'll fare better with a run-o'-the-mill woman. So with that, using the same logic, if you're a bimbo man, you're going to target bimbo women!
Author Woggle Posted December 14, 2009 Author Posted December 14, 2009 My wife in no way is an airhead but she has the basics. A women without the basics is like a car with all these great features but no wheels.
donnamaybe Posted December 14, 2009 Posted December 14, 2009 My wife in no way is an airhead but she has the basics. A women without the basics is like a car with all these great features but no wheels. So there ARE good women who aren't airheads. Gotcha.
Author Woggle Posted December 14, 2009 Author Posted December 14, 2009 So there ARE good women who aren't airheads. Gotcha. Yes there are and the women that many elitists call airheads are far from it. Being able to quote some obscure French author means nothing if a woman can't run her own life right.
donnamaybe Posted December 15, 2009 Posted December 15, 2009 Yes there are and the women that many elitists call airheads are far from it. Being able to quote some obscure French author means nothing if a woman can't run her own life right. So, therefore, this thread is meaningless.
lofi_tokyo Posted December 15, 2009 Posted December 15, 2009 Yes there are and the women that many elitists call airheads are far from it. Being able to quote some obscure French author means nothing if a woman can't run her own life right. Bwahahaha. I'm an English Maj. (hoping to go on to a PhD someday) and I can totally (and often do in my writing) quote "obscure French author"s. Too funny. Well, French theorists anyways. I'd say I'm a pretty intellectual woman, though I'm only in the process of finishing a BA. That being said, when I hang out with my friends, family, co-workers, whatever... I don't bring my intellectual side to the table. Not often anyways. Its not that I feel I need to suppress it, but I don't know... no one besides me finds the stuff I study interesting (well other English majors maybe). The people I hang out with regularly come from all walks of life. So I think a woman can be intelligent and still have normal social relationships just fine. I think Woggle could be right (with me anyways) if he made the claim that I over-think things more than necessary. If I don't stop myself, I have a tendency to over analyze everything, including relationships, which I imagine, can make dating me very trying. That's what you get when you're in school all day doing analytical and theoretical work! Anyways, I guess what I'm trying to say is, very intellectual women can be tons of fun - but they've got to be able to balance where they bring their intellectual side of things into play when interacting with others who just don't think about things as much as they do. The same goes for men! For my part, I'm pretty sure I'm on LS because I need somewhere to let my over-thinking mind go wild.
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