Ms. Joolie Posted December 11, 2009 Posted December 11, 2009 No one forces anyone to pay more or less for the products they use. Which is my gripe about this thread. If you resent doing it, don't do it. If you enjoy doing it, do it for yourself. Yes, that's a good point, and good input on this thread, of course. I think what I really get out of this thread though (after posting my silly thoughts) was that I do the whole money/time/energy beauty ritual for the cost of elegance. I appreciate and enjoy elegance, which really is a type of beauty. That's a better thought than the guilt I had over my vanities.
MSUE Posted December 11, 2009 Posted December 11, 2009 They did some studies on some of those outrageous moisturizers and found that they don't do much, if even less, than some of the more reasonably priced ones. Beyond a certain amount, people are just being silly. this studies are very basic and cover a small range of products...yes there are things at the drugstore like lets say Aveeno ultra calming for sensitive skin $15 and outstanding but a lot of the most pure and effective and intense research and development( I know a few products on luxury lines that are 10 years in the making) often comes w a price...
threebyfate Posted December 11, 2009 Posted December 11, 2009 Yes, that's a good point, and good input on this thread, of course. I think what I really get out of this thread though (after posting my silly thoughts) was that I do the whole money/time/energy beauty ritual for the cost of elegance. I appreciate and enjoy elegance, which really is a type of beauty. That's a better thought than the guilt I had over my vanities.Glad to hear that you're over your guilt. Acceptance of yourself is an important element of self-respect, same as taking responsibility for your own actions, like primping. Do people really primp for others, or do they primp to entice others, thus validating self? Just another aspect of humanity hiding behind altruism.
threebyfate Posted December 11, 2009 Posted December 11, 2009 this studies are very basic and cover a small range of products...yes there are things at the drugstore like lets say Aveeno ultra calming for sensitive skin $15 and outstanding but a lot of the most pure and effective and intense research and development( I know a few products on luxury lines that are 10 years in the making) often comes w a price...People should pick products that work well with their skin chemistry. No matter how much you pay for a product, if your body rejects it, it's attempting to "repair" damage that doesn't exist, or it's intended for older skin maintenance, you might as well take $2K and flush it down the toilet. I'm not advocating drug store products. I'm advocating bang for the buck and if you're going to get the same or better results from paying $500 for a moisturizer, than $2100, you might as well just flush your cash straight down the toilet.
MSUE Posted December 11, 2009 Posted December 11, 2009 They did some studies on some of those outrageous moisturizers and found that they don't do much, if even less, than some of the more reasonably priced ones. Beyond a certain amount, people are just being silly. This studies cover a very small range of products...and yes there are some drugstore products that make the cut as far as effectiveness goes...like lets say Aveeno Ultra calming moisturizer for sensitive skin...outstanding...but there are some unbelievable products in luxury lines that nothing even comes close to ...example Lancome Genifique, La Mer the concentrate and even Precious Cells Absolue by Lancome and the Platineum Line...some of these products have taken 10 years to develop and its not just pretty packaging bottom line beauty comes w a high cots
Ms. Joolie Posted December 11, 2009 Posted December 11, 2009 Glad to hear that you're over your guilt. Acceptance of yourself is an important element of self-respect, same as taking responsibility for your own actions, like primping. Do people really primp for others, or do they primp to entice others, thus validating self? Just another aspect of humanity hiding behind altruism. Yes, and you challenging me on that helped to work that out, so thanks for that. IMO, it shouldn't be about enticing others. I want to see this elegance as a type of beauty to enjoy, not just for myself, not just for others. We need beautiful or elegant things for inspiration in this world. It's a good enticement, an enticement to beauty.
MSUE Posted December 11, 2009 Posted December 11, 2009 shoot i posted twice by accident ...thought I lost the first post cause my dog put his big old paw on m y laptop lol
InspiredbyYou Posted December 11, 2009 Posted December 11, 2009 Exactly! And then we can't go back! And it doesn't stop there. We need, expect, the same quality for hair and clothes and shoes, etc....! ...it's hard to believe I wouldn't go through the ritual if no one were looking since I do enjoy it. lol. But I guess it's true. That's exactly it! And yes, I agree with the second half too since I do enjoy taking the extra steps to look a cut above the rest. But there are pleny tedious steps to the process that I could definitely do without, and as I get older I tend to get more impatient. Like blow drying/styling my hair is a real pain sometimes I wish I could just step out of the shower shake it dry and it's done exactly how I want it (it only works if I am at the beach then it always looks great). God knows I would save so much time and I am not going to lie and say I LOVE to blow-dry/style my hair. Anyone who does enjoy that and does it because "they like is", is insane really! We shouldn't lie to ourselves that we do it just because it feels good, if no one was watching we would not have all the beauty developments that we have, no one would have cared enough to stand out and fix anything. We'd still be hairy, blemished, and naturally looking our age by the time we are 30, which in all probability would equal more to being 50.
Stockalone Posted December 11, 2009 Posted December 11, 2009 Stock, consider this the difference between you and I. There's no way I would tell my H. what to wear or do with his own body, unless he asks my opinion. I expect him to return the favour and he does. Diversity is good.
MSUE Posted December 11, 2009 Posted December 11, 2009 its all about personal choice and being able to afford it of course...and knowledge...lots of knowledge as far as technology and ingredients and the studies on specific ingredients...I combine luxury lines with dermatogy Px's and it works...then again I hardly ever pay for any of those products cause of what I do for a living...I love that perk...who wouldn't?
jerbear Posted December 12, 2009 Posted December 12, 2009 I feel for you gals. Long story short, I had to pay for a shopping (within a budget) for a woman I lost a bet to. Needless to say, once you have one item, other items have to match that one; then the fragrances have to match the individual, can't use drug store items when you're wearing a designer skirt, top now. Oh and don't get me started on "accessories"!!! Now the flip side for me.... I totally appreciated the views, the modeling, putting my inputs, getting her to try (and keep) the garters and stockings. :love: Granted I still paid for it. I never knew that some bras could cost over $100. So ladies! I appreciate your efforts!
shadowplay Posted December 12, 2009 Posted December 12, 2009 (edited) I'm all for maintaining appearance, but I find it remarkable how much money a lot of women waste on useless products (usually skin related). I cant believe some women fork out hundreds of dollars on crap like that la mer stuff that is no better than something you can buy over the counter. In fact, one of the best moisturizers is dirt cheap and can be found at most drugstores. I think more women should do their research so they're not wasting money. The only skin products that have actually been proven to improve the health of skin and slow down aging are good sunscreens (used daily) and prescription creams like tretinoin (I use both). Moisturizers and most skin products in general do next to nothing. Edited December 12, 2009 by shadowplay
Author Awesome Username Posted December 12, 2009 Author Posted December 12, 2009 I feel for you gals. Long story short, I had to pay for a shopping (within a budget) for a woman I lost a bet to. Needless to say, once you have one item, other items have to match that one; then the fragrances have to match the individual, can't use drug store items when you're wearing a designer skirt, top now. Oh and don't get me started on "accessories"!!! Now the flip side for me.... I totally appreciated the views, the modeling, putting my inputs, getting her to try (and keep) the garters and stockings. :love: Granted I still paid for it. I never knew that some bras could cost over $100. So ladies! I appreciate your efforts! Why thank you Jerbear - You saw a little bit of it since you went shopping with a girl and had to pay for it! Yeah, there are bras that are over 100 dollars. Crazy, huh?
D-Lish Posted December 12, 2009 Posted December 12, 2009 Geez- Good hair extensions actually cost upwards of $1400 every 5-6 months. I have paid up to $1600 for extensions. It's real hair that feels like real hair and acts like real hair. It's my one shallow indulgence. Well, that's not true- I have paid $400 for a pair of jeans that gave me an incredible ass.
jerbear Posted December 12, 2009 Posted December 12, 2009 Why thank you Jerbear - You saw a little bit of it since you went shopping with a girl and had to pay for it! Yeah, there are bras that are over 100 dollars. Crazy, huh? Saw more than a little bit, for an old friend to see that much is pretty good! More than a little bit because her friends were along; so got more than a little bit. After that day, I'll say every female form can be sexy.
jerbear Posted December 12, 2009 Posted December 12, 2009 Well, that's not true- I have paid $400 for a pair of jeans that gave me an incredible ass. I think you just have good genes! :lmao::love:
D-Lish Posted December 12, 2009 Posted December 12, 2009 I think you just have good genes! :lmao::love: Nope, lol- just good jeans.
sonicranger Posted December 12, 2009 Posted December 12, 2009 They do it to look nice for themselves, and because they realize that what men say they like and actually respond to are two different things. LMAO. 90% AT LEAST 90% of women do it to get NOTICED. Sure they feel good about themselves when they look nice, EVERYONE does, but they're getting a HUGE emotional high when they go out to the bar, party, meeting whatever and all the eyes in the room on on THEM, their ass, their tits, their hair, whatever. Now, before you explode I'm not condemning anything. I will say that there is a line between wanting to look nice and overdoing it. The women who over do it, those with $100 of makeup ON THEIR FACE, are just screaming for attention, they most likely have very low self-esteem and are doing what they think will give them a "pick up". Now the same but opposite can be said for guys. Guys who are extremely introverted, nerdy whatever take ZERO pride in their appearance because they figure, WTF does it matter, nobody will notice me anyway, so they don't shower, shave or maintain otherwise acceptable hygiene habits. My girl, she really IS great au naturale. I love her for it. The other day she was getting ready, she ran a brush through her hair, said, "Mmmm its not doing what I want." Put a few bobby pins in her hair and used a little blush brush to dab on her face and she was done...I love it. BUT wait, there more! She is pretty specific and concerned about shaving her legs and maintaining the nether regions, so she is not COMPLETELY without some of the "womanness" of wanting to look great, feel great, etc.
MSUE Posted December 12, 2009 Posted December 12, 2009 I'm all for maintaining appearance, but I find it remarkable how much money a lot of women waste on useless products (usually skin related). I cant believe some women fork out hundreds of dollars on crap like that la mer stuff that is no better than something you can buy over the counter. In fact, one of the best moisturizers is dirt cheap and can be found at most drugstores. I think more women should do their research so they're not wasting money I highly disagree there...but I'm in this industry...so I guess is a lil different for me...I'm not saying no to drugstore items...but there are some more than outstanding products in luxury lines... and if the woman has the money to fork over then who cares...it keeps me employed lol
Author Awesome Username Posted December 12, 2009 Author Posted December 12, 2009 I highly disagree there...but I'm in this industry...so I guess is a lil different for me...I'm not saying no to drugstore items...but there are some more than outstanding products in luxury lines... and if the woman has the money to fork over then who cares...it keeps me employed lol I don't even use moisturizer... I think I might start, after seeing this thread! :0
TheLoneSock Posted December 12, 2009 Posted December 12, 2009 (edited) Makeup has nothing to do with how beautiful a girl is. Girls who wear a lot, or even a fair amount of makeup are not beautiful to me physically. It's a huge turn off. If I'm dating a girl and I find out she's just been painting her face on the whole time, I'm gone. A little, bare minimum is ok. But anything more than that is just not beautiful to me, it's disgusting. It's the same way some women feel about a guy putting gel and **** in his hair. The only thing that goes in my hair is shampoo when I'm in the shower. I feel bad seeing that this is how much girls pay to look unattractive. If they spent that much money on some skin improving products instead, and went natural, they would too far more heads. Edited December 12, 2009 by TheLoneSock
TheLoneSock Posted December 12, 2009 Posted December 12, 2009 Guys who are extremely introverted, nerdy whatever take ZERO pride in their appearance because they figure, WTF does it matter, nobody will notice me anyway, so they don't shower, shave or maintain otherwise acceptable hygiene habits. Lol bullsh*t. I'm extremely nerdy and I guarantee I take better care of my body than you do. It also just so happens that girls like a little scruff on me more often than not.
Els Posted December 12, 2009 Posted December 12, 2009 And women who put that much time, money and effort into their appearances are... wait for it... Shallow as the kiddie pool at a dwarf convention. You, my friend, are quite the puzzle. You say you only date women who are 8/10 above. Then you say you don't want anything to do with shallow women. And then, you inextricably shred any last bit of logic your views might yet contain by saying that any women who put that much time, money and effort into their appearances are shallow. Hel...lo? Have you ever truly been in a live-in LTR with one of those 8/10 women you say you require? Ever truly knew how much time and money they put into their appearance? Nobody becomes 8/10 with zero or minimal upkeep. I can only laugh at my male friends who were so eager to be the one to catch that hot girl in class, only to moan about her 8-hour shopping sprees, 3-hour salon treatments, etc when they do become her longterm boyfriend. Classic case of not realizing that when you eat the cake, you can't have it too.
zicke Posted December 12, 2009 Posted December 12, 2009 Sure, there's no doubt that it costs money to maintain 'fashion beauty'. Many women look amazing when they first get out of bed with hair messed, no makeup in sweats and all. That's natural beauty which is only amplified with the 'fashion beauty'. Some have to work a lot harder. You can put a $10K paint job on a Chevy Chevette...looks better but it's still a Chevette only shinier. Sweetie, natural beauty isn't cheap. If you think your natural beauty ended up that way only for the grace of god, your kidding yourself.
Lizzie60 Posted December 12, 2009 Posted December 12, 2009 I just read part of the OP.. (list)... and, for me, this is extreme... I don,t know many women who buy a purse every single month... plus .. if she has to spend so much money.. she must look soooooo tacky... like a 'hollywood' wannabe... she would look like a fool.... I hardly wear any make-up.. no concealer (never had) or foundation.. (eewww)... and trust me.. .I can have all the men I want. I have to say that I rather spend my money on 'moisturizers' and night creams...
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