InspiredbyYou Posted December 11, 2009 Posted December 11, 2009 It's when a woman's attraction to a man is based on how much he can spend on her that I consider them materialistic. When a woman holds that criteria only for the basis of her attraction to a man that just goes to show you that a) money is the only redeeming aspect a man has b) her youth or looks is the only redeeming aspect she has Aside from that, in a pairing of that sort, they both bring nothing else to the table and consequently deserve each other. As long as they are both clear on what they are getting from each other then it's all good.
phineas Posted December 11, 2009 Posted December 11, 2009 When a woman holds that criteria only for the basis of her attraction to a man that just goes to show you that a) money is the only redeeming aspect a man has b) her youth or looks is the only redeeming aspect she has Aside from that, in a pairing of that sort, they both bring nothing else to the table and consequently deserve each other. As long as they are both clear on what they are getting from each other then it's all good. I see where you are coming from. Funny story, I was working a minimum wage job as maintenance for a building. I had just finished college & had an interview with a company for a very good job so I got out my suit & dress coat (it was winter) & went on my interview. My friends were out drinking at a bar just down the road from where the company was holding interviews. so i met my friends. I guess I clean up well because shortly after I got my beer a very attractive woman came up & started talking to me. She seemed interested & then asked what I did for a living. I was about to tell her I worked maintenance & was just on a job interview when my buddy (who had a few beers) blurted out "he salts the parking lot". can you say ABOUT FACE!
sumdude Posted December 11, 2009 Posted December 11, 2009 It's entirely normal and reasonable for a woman to consider a man's ability to provide. If children come and she chooses to stay at home it's very important. Obviously if she's all about over the top materialistic things and money is all she considers then she's the proverbial gold digger.
InspiredbyYou Posted December 11, 2009 Posted December 11, 2009 I see where you are coming from. Funny story, I was working a minimum wage job as maintenance for a building. I had just finished college & had an interview with a company for a very good job so I got out my suit & dress coat (it was winter) & went on my interview. My friends were out drinking at a bar just down the road from where the company was holding interviews. so i met my friends. I guess I clean up well because shortly after I got my beer a very attractive woman came up & started talking to me. She seemed interested & then asked what I did for a living. I was about to tell her I worked maintenance & was just on a job interview when my buddy (who had a few beers) blurted out "he salts the parking lot". can you say ABOUT FACE! Didn't get the "about face" comment at the end there, sorry maybe I am just extra daft today. All I can say is a man in a suit is about as hot as it gets. Men really underestimate the power clothes have, and a suit is at the top of the pyramid when it comes to hotness. At least for this woman it is... When a man can provide for himself and he is "together" financially (it's not just about the money it is about his drive for overall success) he completes the package in terms of appeal. It's yet another aspect of his life in which he shows he is capable of producing positive results. How can that not be attractive to women? It sends a very strong message in many respects. On the other hand no amount of success or money can overcompensate for a man's lack of values, morals and character. For a certain type of woman that is.... (I can only speak for myself)
sumdude Posted December 11, 2009 Posted December 11, 2009 All I can say is a man in a suit is about as hot as it gets. Men really underestimate the power clothes have, and a suit is at the top of the pyramid when it comes to hotness. At least for this woman it is... Do you know why? Ever ask yourself why the suit is so appealing? Is it the fact that it's a status symbol? That it's expensive? Is it just the cut of it and the look? The fact that the higher up the corporate ladder a man is the nicer the suit? just curious... I like wearing suits on special occasions but I work in a town full of stuffed shirts. Here a suit's just another uniform to me. A uniform for the lawyers and corporate types.
threebyfate Posted December 11, 2009 Posted December 11, 2009 Booker, what do you consider a normal woman and what traits "must" she possess?
shadowplay Posted December 11, 2009 Posted December 11, 2009 Honestly, nobody is normal. Everybody has flaws and some weird traits. It's all about what you're willing to tolerate in a partner.
phineas Posted December 11, 2009 Posted December 11, 2009 Didn't get the "about face" comment at the end there, sorry maybe I am just extra daft today. All I can say is a man in a suit is about as hot as it gets. Men really underestimate the power clothes have, and a suit is at the top of the pyramid when it comes to hotness. At least for this woman it is... When a man can provide for himself and he is "together" financially (it's not just about the money it is about his drive for overall success) he completes the package in terms of appeal. It's yet another aspect of his life in which he shows he is capable of producing positive results. How can that not be attractive to women? It sends a very strong message in many respects. On the other hand no amount of success or money can overcompensate for a man's lack of values, morals and character. For a certain type of woman that is.... (I can only speak for myself) About face means she literally turned around & walked away from me after I verified I'm a maintenance guy that just got back from an interview. I thought it was pretty funny & so did my friends. we joked about it for weeks.
phineas Posted December 11, 2009 Posted December 11, 2009 Do you know why? Ever ask yourself why the suit is so appealing? Is it the fact that it's a status symbol? That it's expensive? Is it just the cut of it and the look? The fact that the higher up the corporate ladder a man is the nicer the suit? just curious... I like wearing suits on special occasions but I work in a town full of stuffed shirts. Here a suit's just another uniform to me. A uniform for the lawyers and corporate types. I buy off-the rack then take it to a good taylor I know & they fit it to me perfectly. I wear suits for special occasions only also.
InspiredbyYou Posted December 11, 2009 Posted December 11, 2009 Do you know why? Ever ask yourself why the suit is so appealing? Is it the fact that it's a status symbol? That it's expensive? Is it just the cut of it and the look? The fact that the higher up the corporate ladder a man is the nicer the suit? . Wow Sumdude that's a really good question. never thought of it in depth and you are really making me think. Off the top of my head I think: A guy in a suit looks clean cut and polished, it means he knows how to put himself together and can do it well, it denotes "man" as opposed to "baby who needs mothering". I also like the conservative factor, men who can show their taste/style/creativity through something as conservative as a suit, is exciting to me. Also there is the authority aspect, it seems like a guy in a suit commands more authority I find that exciting too. A good suit and tie and shirt just looks classy. I like classy conservative preppy looking men. Now that I am writing this out I think it's just my personal affliction.
InspiredbyYou Posted December 11, 2009 Posted December 11, 2009 About face means she literally turned around & walked away from me after I verified I'm a maintenance guy that just got back from an interview. I thought it was pretty funny & so did my friends. we joked about it for weeks. Ahh got'ya, thanks for explaining. Wow she actually did that? What a loser!
Author BookerT Posted December 11, 2009 Author Posted December 11, 2009 (edited) Booker, what do you consider a normal woman and what traits "must" she possess? Ok, there are plenty of "normal" women. But call me shallow, there's few really attractive women that have a full package. The OP like most of my posts are just to add a little bit of controversy. 1)I won't lie. I want a physically attractive woman. I have pretty high standards on looks. 2)I also want a woman that treats me well, and not into me for my money. 3)Then I want a woman that's smart, fun and interesting to talk to. I've found many women with two groups of the attributes I am looking for but not all three. Again call me shallow but I am not marrying a woman that doesn't have all three. I don't want to cheat nor be in a divorce later in life, at least in terms of myself losing interest. Yes, I'm also the guy that posted the thread that was pointing out women looking for perfection in men was stupid, but that was mainly a joke post to make fun of our situations in general. I ain't joining the 50% of people getting divorced. I'll rather be shallow. Edited December 11, 2009 by BookerT
looking4 green grass Posted December 11, 2009 Posted December 11, 2009 Ok, there are plenty of "normal" women. But call me shallow, there's few really attractive women that have a full package. The OP like most of my posts are just to add a little bit of controversy. 1)I won't lie. I want a physically attractive woman. I have pretty high standards on looks. 2)I also want a woman that treats me well, and not into me for my money. 3)Then I want a woman that's smart, fun and interesting to talk to. I've found many women with two groups of the attributes I am looking for but not all three. Again call me shallow but I am not marrying a woman that doesn't have all three. I don't want to cheat nor be in a divorce later in life, at least in terms of myself losing interest. Yes, I'm also the guy that posted the thread that was pointing out women looking for perfection in men was stupid, but that was mainly a joke post to make fun of our situations in general. I ain't joining the 50% of people getting divorced. I'll rather be shallow. 1.) Not gonna lie, I'm really good looking. Or at least the fact that I get asked out 4 to 5 times a week tell me I am. 2.) I make more than almost any man I've ever dated. Try finding a guy who can deal with that....(with the exception of those guys I dated who have now specialized in their medical fields....but see number three for what their issue was.) 3.) I am lots of fun, been all over the world, and I am always doing stuff. I'm smart, and smarter than most guys I've dated too (Again, find a man who can deal with that one.) I'm fairly sure my well rounded nature ensures I am not boring, I can converse on anything from hunting, to monster trucks, to scientific theory and football. However, I don't put up with crap. I don't deal with insecure men. I hate needy guys. And I will NOT make myself seem less smart, or downplay the fact that I am financially independent to win a guy over. Technically I'm probably what every man "thinks" he wants. I'm as normal as they come. In reality though, guys want the super hot airheads who don't question anything they do. Or at least, that's my experience.
phineas Posted December 11, 2009 Posted December 11, 2009 Ahh got'ya, thanks for explaining. Wow she actually did that? What a loser! Yes she did. I think she first asked me if I was a teacher while I was drinking my beer & I shook my head no. then she asked what I did. We laughed about it for weeks. We all work at the same place & we all had crappy jobs. So it was just funny.
bac Posted December 11, 2009 Posted December 11, 2009 Relationships with people/and sex is an area of life where "you never know before you try". All your ideas of what it might turn out for you are 50/50 probability no matter of your experience. You have to give it a try and see where it is going. You will be very surprise if you give it a try of several months at least. In several months you might see a totally different person than you expected them to be at first.
espec10001 Posted December 11, 2009 Posted December 11, 2009 Oh my. This thread really points out to me why dating in this country is such a headache. Men want this, women want that, men want to be better than the woman, women want to be better than the man. It's just a battle between the sexes to prove who is more independent than the other. Dating just seems like cats and dogs fighting for superiority over the other. Glad I just said "F*** it", feels so peaceful. Why date these days? If the dating game is just a one-up-manship, what's the point? What's the prize?
Sam Spade Posted December 11, 2009 Posted December 11, 2009 Do you know why? Ever ask yourself why the suit is so appealing? Is it the fact that it's a status symbol? That it's expensive? Is it just the cut of it and the look? The fact that the higher up the corporate ladder a man is the nicer the suit? just curious... I like wearing suits on special occasions but I work in a town full of stuffed shirts. Here a suit's just another uniform to me. A uniform for the lawyers and corporate types. The problem is... most men (and women) are scarily incompetent when it comes to how you wear a suit. Even men that wear suits often look horrible. Here is just a short list of the typical mistakes that you see on the streets (often all at once:sick:!!!) - suit jacket 2 sizes too big - sleeves not tailored (i.e. too long); you must show 1.4" of cuff - pants too long (a little break is fine, but many men wear puddles of fabric around their legs) - horrible shoes (clunky, rubber-soled monstrocities) - inappropriate bag (i've seen more suits with backpacks than... anything) Inability to match pattern and suit price/fabric aren't nearly as serious offences. Basically most men think that just throwing a suit is enough to look good, while nothing could be further from the truth. However, if you do it right, there will be a lot of pantiy-creaming your way, simply because the suit - if done right - is indeed the most flattering outfit a man could possibly wear, and clearly communicates that you know what you're doing without being obnixious about it. Contemporary american men suck at wearing suits, which works for me . The 50's and the 60's were the golden era of the american suit. There's a reason why in moments of crisis people instinctively look up to the guy in a suit & tie:laugh:.
Sam Spade Posted December 11, 2009 Posted December 11, 2009 Ahh got'ya, thanks for explaining. Wow she actually did that? What a loser! If i was that girl I'd tell him he wears it better than investment bankers and f*** hie brains out as a reward:laugh:
Awesome Username Posted December 11, 2009 Posted December 11, 2009 There are no normal women. You lose!
espec10001 Posted December 11, 2009 Posted December 11, 2009 The problem is... most men (and women) are scarily incompetent when it comes to how you wear a suit. Even men that wear suits often look horrible. Here is just a short list of the typical mistakes that you see on the streets (often all at once:sick:!!!) - suit jacket 2 sizes too big - sleeves not tailored (i.e. too long); you must show 1.4" of cuff - pants too long (a little break is fine, but many men wear puddles of fabric around their legs) - horrible shoes (clunky, rubber-soled monstrocities) - inappropriate bag (i've seen more suits with backpacks than... anything) Inability to match pattern and suit price/fabric aren't nearly as serious offences. Basically most men think that just throwing a suit is enough to look good, while nothing could be further from the truth. However, if you do it right, there will be a lot of pantiy-creaming your way, simply because the suit - if done right - is indeed the most flattering outfit a man could possibly wear, and clearly communicates that you know what you're doing without being obnixious about it. Contemporary american men suck at wearing suits, which works for me . The 50's and the 60's were the golden era of the american suit. There's a reason why in moments of crisis people instinctively look up to the guy in a suit & tie:laugh:. Ehh, it's usually good to be cautious about trusting what a man in a suit says or does. Many guys in suits aren't what they appear to be...
Sam Spade Posted December 11, 2009 Posted December 11, 2009 Ehh, it's usually good to be cautious about trusting what a man in a suit says or does. Many guys in suits aren't what they appear to be... comes with the territory - that's why the suit is a great social equaliser. If you are to be trusted, it will show through your actions (and the same - if you aren't). The suit is merely a ticket to participate in the public sphere, a point long lost in the era of ill-fitting walmart clothes.
InspiredbyYou Posted December 11, 2009 Posted December 11, 2009 - suit jacket 2 sizes too big - sleeves not tailored (i.e. too long); you must show 1.4" of cuff - pants too long (a little break is fine, but many men wear puddles of fabric around their legs) - horrible shoes (clunky, rubber-soled monstrocities) - inappropriate bag (i've seen more suits with backpacks than... anything) Inability to match pattern and suit price/fabric aren't nearly as serious offences. Basically most men think that just throwing a suit is enough to look good, while nothing could be further from the truth. However, if you do it right, there will be a lot of pantiy-creaming your way, simply because the suit - if done right - is indeed the most flattering outfit a man could possibly wear, and clearly communicates that you know what you're doing without being obnixious about it. Contemporary american men suck at wearing suits, which works for me . The 50's and the 60's were the golden era of the american suit. There's a reason why in moments of crisis people instinctively look up to the guy in a suit & tie:laugh:. :lmao::lmao: OMG everything you said is BANG ON! I think I just tend to glance over the ones that fit the above descriptions but all your observations I have seen plenty times. By the sounds of it you know how to wear a suit and you do it more than well!
Author BookerT Posted December 11, 2009 Author Posted December 11, 2009 Oh my. This thread really points out to me why dating in this country is such a headache. Men want this, women want that, men want to be better than the woman, women want to be better than the man. It's just a battle between the sexes to prove who is more independent than the other. Dating just seems like cats and dogs fighting for superiority over the other. Glad I just said "F*** it", feels so peaceful. Why date these days? If the dating game is just a one-up-manship, what's the point? What's the prize? Yes America for some strange reason is pretty much the only place in the world with this issue. Everywhere else in the world men and women just assume their natural roles and there's no competition. In America it's all messed up. You know why? No1: Everyone tries to be super independent which doesn't work for relationships. No2: People try to follow ideals but most people are hypocrites. For example if you like hot women you're shallow, but most people have their own BS criteria as well. No3: Feminism killed marriage in the US. Marriage works better when men and women have a division of labor and except they are different naturally (not saying men are better, just different). When they start competing at exactly the same level in everything, it all falls apart.
espec10001 Posted December 11, 2009 Posted December 11, 2009 comes with the territory - that's why the suit is a great social equaliser. If you are to be trusted, it will show through your actions (and the same - if you aren't). The suit is merely a ticket to participate in the public sphere, a point long lost in the era of ill-fitting walmart clothes. Oh don't get me wrong, like you said there was a time when a suit signified professionalism and dedication to the business or task. Now, the suit doesn't conjure up that same sort of reaction. Today many are untrusting of men in suit due to politicians irresponsible behavior, greedy businessmen, etc. Not to say they didn't exist back then, but it's so much easier to get caught in the act these days with all the technology.
espec10001 Posted December 11, 2009 Posted December 11, 2009 Yes America for some strange reason is pretty much the only place in the world with this issue. Everywhere else in the world men and women just assume their natural roles and there's no competition. In America it's all messed up. You know why? No1: Everyone tries to be super independent which doesn't work for relationships. No2: People try to follow ideals but most people are hypocrites. For example if you like hot women you're shallow, but most people have their own BS criteria as well. No3: Feminism killed marriage in the US. Marriage works better when men and women have a division of labor and except they are different naturally (not saying men are better, just different). When they start competing at exactly the same level in everything, it all falls apart. I agree. And the sad fact is, very few people both men and women are truly independent. Unless you have a fortune and don't have to work, you are dependent on others for so many things. Like if you own a business, then you depend on customers to buy your service or your product. Or if you work for someone else or a company, you depend on them to give you a paycheck. This whole American illusion of independence is a primary cause of all these dating woes for both sexes. It's like this country thrives on warfare, on spats and hate. The mentality "If I can't gain anything from you, then you're wasting my time" is a HUGE problem. Europe learned it's lesson through many wars and now they are pacifists. America is going to learn the same lesson but it's not going to be a smooth ride.
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