Unappealing men versus "normal" men

[InspiredbyYou]

All you boys should post pictures of yourselves, I promise to be brutally honestly with you about how you look.

 

Deal?

 

Leave the 300lb imaginary woman alone, she has enough issues to deal with as it is.

[AD1980]

 

Can somebody please tell me what praising a 300lb woman on facebook has to do with creepy guys approaching women on the street?

 

Because women are misleading theyre unattrtacive friends into thinkign therye really good looking and u have posts like these where dellusional enetitled women think theyre much hotter then they are and when a guy who maybe closer to their "league" then they think approaches them theyre are put off and expect the 10 to approach when its never gonna happen..

[InspiredbyYou]

Because women are misleading theyre unattrtacive friends into thinkign therye really good looking and u have posts like these where dellusional enetitled women think theyre much hotter then they are and when a guy who maybe closer to their "league" then they think approaches them theyre are put off and expect the 10 to approach when its never gonna happen..

 

 

Ok I see.

At least I understand what the connection is.

 

 

Well I know a creep when I see one, walk a mile in our shoes and you try saying no to some loser who won't take no for answer. That is usually what a creep is. But I have agreed that some women are quick to call a guy who is forward and simply not her type, a "creep". Most normal men, regardless of their outward appearance know the difference between being straightforward, and creepy. The ones who don't are the ones I think the OP is talking about. I could be wrong.

[boogieboy]

All you boys should post pictures of yourselves, I promise to be brutally honestly with you about how you look.

 

Deal?

 

Leave the 300lb imaginary woman alone, she has enough issues to deal with as it is.

 

No thanks. I know where I rate already, and I'm fine with how I look, and your opinion isnt needed. Try the brutal honesty with your friends, help out the ones who you might have lied to before.

[ADF]

Normal men usually don't hit on women in public places because as soon as they do, they are no longer normal, but creepy. It is a bit confusing. Women lament the fact there are no "normal" men around, but then complain that men are creeps for hitting on them.

[InspiredbyYou]

No thanks. I know where I rate already, and I'm fine with how I look, and your opinion isnt needed. Try the brutal honesty with your friends, help out the ones who you might have lied to before.

 

 

As it happens, my friends are all quite good looking by society's standards. I'm never anything but honest, so don't worry I've got it covered.

I think we can all use a reality check. I insist, post your pic.

[piercemyheartemotion]

As it happens, my friends are all quite good looking by society's standards. I'm never anything but honest, so don't worry I've got it covered.

I think we can all use a reality check. I insist, post your pic.

 

You got completely owned by Johnny M. How about you reply to his last post with something intelligent instead of hoping he will post a pic so that maybe you can find something unattractive about him to diss on.

 

And what's up with you not showing your own face, from your pic I come to conclude that either:

 

1. You're afraid to show your face off because you're insecure about your looks.

 

2. You don't want to show your face online for privacy reasons.

 

3. Your boobs are the only thing you have going for you and you think people will take you more seriously if they find something attractive about you first instead of just dismissing you as some stupid ugly chick.

 

How about you post a pic of yourself (face and all) and have other women and men on this forum be brutally honest about what they really think you look like.

 

The way I see it is that women normally think they are way way better looking than they actually are because other women compliment them and leave them comments about how "beautiful you look" because they are expecting a similar compliment/and or profile comment in return.

 

And a man will always tell a women that is above average looking or even average looking how beautiful she is, and point out all her attractive features because he wants to get laid and he knows it will get him closer to it by complimenting her and making her feel good about herself, instead of if he was honest and maybe pointed out that he thought her ears were slightly too big.

 

You never see a girl leave another girl a comment like this on myspace or facebook. "hey gurl ur looking so sexy in this pic, i love that shirt, but your nose is looking extremely pointy and sharp at the same time, love ya xoxo"

 

Or one from a guy that goes like "wow your eyes are so beautiful in this pic I could stare into them all day... that is if those two big zits on your forehead won't take my attention away"

 

So yeah the way I see it a girl will never really know her flaws because she is always being lied to about how perfect her looks are.

[cognac]

Some of us can see beauty in people of all shapes and sizes, thank you both for demonstrating what a cliche men can sometimes.

 

Telling a 300lb woman she looks good in a picture is not lying, people can look good in their own way and within context of what their overall appearance is. Telling her she looks skinny would be a lie.

 

ROFL!

 

I can't help but think this is the reason why women think so many attractive women are dating "average" guys. They see "beauty" in every fat and ugly woman, yet paint 99% of men as "average".

 

We're not talking about INNER BEAUTY inspired. If you can seriously say a 300 lb person is beautiful, put your money where your mouth is and date an obese man. But of course, like every other woman in this thread, you only see "beauty" when you are patronizing someone to do your self-righteous charity. I wonder how many guys you've rejected for the way they look, even not counting the obese. How about I ask your sure enough dozens of male "Friends" who have so much "inner beauty" but are "not your type".

[InspiredbyYou]

That's my picture take it or leave it.

 

The reason I don't post a full picture is because I don't want some inbred who spends his days trolling forums because he is so disgusting his own hands won't even touch him, to take my photo and do malicious things with it.

 

 

You never see a girl leave another girl a comment like this on myspace or facebook. "hey gurl ur looking so sexy in this pic, i love that shirt, but your nose is looking extremely pointy and sharp at the same time, love ya xoxo"

 

Be thankful for that. At least the first time you drop your pants in front of a girl she won't blurt out "let me get my tweezers" as she laughs herself to tears.

[cognac]

It would actually be a huge relief for women to be honest. If a woman at first glance thought that I was too short, too slender, poor, ugly, etc, I would like to know, that way I could delete her from my life and move on to women who would accept me. Instead women will be vague and annoying about it and leave you on the side wondering if it's your personality (when in reality it's about looks) and if you change it she will like you.

[AD1980]

 

 

 

 

Be thankful for that. At least the first time you drop your pants in front of a girl she won't blurt out "let me get my tweezers" as she laughs herself to tears.

 

Well we know shell tell her girflriends who she tells everyhting negative physically abouyt her boyfriend/husband because nothing is sacred to women in a relationship

[AD1980]

ROFL!

 

I can't help but think this is the reason why women think so many attractive women are dating "average" guys. They see "beauty" in every fat and ugly woman, yet paint 99% of men as "average".

 

We're not talking about INNER BEAUTY inspired. If you can seriously say a 300 lb person is beautiful, put your money where your mouth is and date an obese man. But of course, like every other woman in this thread, you only see "beauty" when you are patronizing someone to do your self-righteous charity. I wonder how many guys you've rejected for the way they look, even not counting the obese. How about I ask your sure enough dozens of male "Friends" who have so much "inner beauty" but are "not your type".

 

You have to understand to women other women being sueperfical is her right,if youre a man you cant be superficial and say what u dont find attractive in other women or youre a monster..

 

Funny part is allot of women are more vicious then Men when describing what they dont find attractive yet they act like women are these insecure delicate little flowers that you shouldnt put down about looks..

[InspiredbyYou]

ROFL!

 

 

 

We're not talking about INNER BEAUTY inspired. If you can seriously say a 300 lb person is beautiful, put your money where your mouth is and date an obese man. But of course, like every other woman in this thread, you only see "beauty" when you are patronizing someone to do your self-righteous charity. I wonder how many guys you've rejected for the way they look, even not counting the obese. How about I ask your sure enough dozens of male "Friends" who have so much "inner beauty" but are "not your type".

 

 

Neither am I. I like how this whole conversation about the 300lb girl is totally being taken out of context. I never said being 300lb is beautiful. I said within context and given what she has to work with she can look good. Sure why not? Chris Farley was not a "good looking" guy but he could look good at times, obese and all I could see him in a more appealing light at times. His overall appeal was entertaining and yeah you might even look at one picture of the guy and say "hey he looks good in a suit and with his hair like that" Sure I never fantasized about doing the guy, but I can see he looked good at times. If you are the type of person who dismisses people flat out in every single sense because they don't fit your ideal image then there is no point in even engaging this discussion. Move on.

 

 

Of course I have rejected men I was not attracted to when it came to dating, no one is saying you should be forcing yourself to date someone you are not attracted to, tying yourself down to someone romantically and making a person feel good about themselves even for an instant, are two completely different things. I am not debating whether external beauty is important when it comes to romance. I take insult in the fact that I am being told I would be a liar if I told a person who is obese that they look good in a picture. If I like the way someone looks in a picture, obese and all, I think they look good. End of story. What is so deceitful about that? It’s even more offensive that I have some coward on the internet who hides behind his own angry words trying to dictate to me what I should and should not express as appealing!?!? WTF!?!?

 

It’s scary that we live in such a rotten society that not only are people who do not fit the ideal standard of beauty supposed to be dismissed from any sort of social interaction, we must not express to them any nice comments because that is lying to them.

 

Yes, god forbid you actually say something nice to someone who will appreciate it. WTF? How does that even affect you? Unless of course you are the proverbial creep that has been discussed in this thread and all you are faced with is rejection from women, then I can see why you would want to piss on anyone’s and everyone’s parade.

 

 

Furthermore, I have one of those contacts like that on Facebook, she is an old university friend and we just started talking since we found each other on Facebook. She was always chubby but now she is obese and she is very short and her face is not as attractive as she could be. But guess what, I went to a house party she had and I met her fiancé, yup she is getting married next spring, and he was in pretty ok shape and is an attractive guy. He was doting after her and was so loving that half the skinny beautiful women with hottie boyfriends could only dream of having men as loving by their side. Her facebook wall is filled with comments from men and women who compliment her on how cute she looks in certain pictures. If some of the dumb ass comments that are being expressed in this thread were actually true, then you might as well call it a day people your life is simply not worth living you will end up insane and lonesome.

Edited December 9, 2009 by InspiredbyYou

[cognac]

Neither am I. I like how this whole conversation about the 300lb girl is totally being taken out of context. I never said being 300lb is beautiful. I said within context and given what she has to work with she can look good. Sure why not? Chris Farley was not a "good looking" guy but he could look good at times, obese and all I could see him in a more appealing light at times. His overall appeal was entertaining and yeah you might even look at one picture of the guy and say "hey he looks good in a suit and with his hair like that" Sure I never fantasized about doing the guy, but I can see he looked good at times. If you are the type of person who dismisses people flat out in every single sense because they don't fit your ideal image then there is no point in even engaging this discussion. Move on. [/Quote]

 

I just don't understand this. If I saw a woman and said she looked good, I am saying they are physically attractive.

 

And I don't dismiss anyone as a person based on their looks. However, I also don't pretend people who are obese are attractive (all while never dating them myself).

 

 

Of course I have rejected men I was not attracted to when it came to dating, no one is saying you should be forcing yourself to date someone you are not attracted to, tying yourself down to someone romantically and making a person feel good about themselves even for an instant, are two completely different things. I am not debating whether external beauty is important when it comes to romance. I take insult in the fact that I am being told I would be a liar if I told a person who is obese that they look good in a picture. If I like the way someone looks in a picture, obese and all, I think they look good. End of story. What is so deceitful about that? It’s even more offensive that I have some coward on the internet who hides behind his own angry words trying to tell me what I should and should not express as appealing. It’s scary that we live in such a rotten society that not only are people who do not fit the ideal standard of beauty supposed to be dismissed form any sort of social interaction, we must not express to them any nice comments because that is lying to them.[/Quote]

 

Booooo hooooo. Society is society, and I can bet you are not only a part of it, but a purveyor of it.

 

It's not about saying a obese person looks nice in a picture, it's about saying they are physically attractive "in their own way". HUGE difference. I doubt you find obese, ugly, etc men appealing, so yes I will call you a liar for that.

 

Yes, god forbid you actually say something nice to someone who will appreciate it. WTF? How does that even affect you? Unless of course you are the proverbial creep that has been discussed in this thread and all you are faced with is rejection from women, then I can see why you would want to piss on anyone’s and everyone’s parade.[/Quote]

 

Complimenting someone on something actually compliment-worthy, is different than patronizing someone. My cousin has a disfigured face from a premature birth, yet all the women in my family patronize him, tell him he is attractive, he is handsome "in his own way", and that there are girls out there just waiting for him. Personally I would rather know the truth, over having people convince me one thing and finding out the hard way (as my cousin has unfortunately) what the reality is.

 

Knowing the truth can give people realistic goals (such as losing weight, etc) rather than chasing pipe dreams.

 

 

Furthermore, I have one of those contacts like that on Facebook, she is an old university friend and we just started talking since we found each other on Facebook. She was always chubby but now she is obese and she is very short and her face is not as attractive as she could be. But guess what, I went to a house party she had and I met her fiancé, yup she is getting married next spring, and he was in pretty ok shape and is an attractive guy. He was doting after her and was so loving that half the skinny beautiful women with hottie boyfriends could only dream of having men as loving by their side. Her facebook wall is filled with comments from men and women who compliment her on how cute she looks in certain pictures. If some of the dumb ass comments that are being expressed in this thread were actually true, then you might as well call it a day people your life is simply not worth living you will end up insane and lonesome.[/Quote]

 

how lovely If it's all it's cracked up how come you don't have a homely "loving" man by your side? Chances are if the "hottie men" one day showed interest in your university friend, she'd drop that "kind loving man" in a heart beat.

[bbf]

So yeah the way I see it a girl will never really know her flaws because she is always being lied to about how perfect her looks are.

 

Lol, is that what guys think now? Trust me, girls are aware of exactly how how attractive they are. All they have to do is look at how much male attention their friends are getting compared to them.

[Johnny M]

All you boys should post pictures of yourselves, I promise to be brutally honestly with you about how you look.

 

Deal?

Ladies first.

[dudet]

Neither am I. I like how this whole conversation about the 300lb girl is totally being taken out of context. I never said being 300lb is beautiful. I said within context and given what she has to work with she can look good. Sure why not? Chris Farley was not a "good looking" guy but he could look good at times, obese and all I could see him in a more appealing light at times. His overall appeal was entertaining and yeah you might even look at one picture of the guy and say "hey he looks good in a suit and with his hair like that" Sure I never fantasized about doing the guy, but I can see he looked good at times. If you are the type of person who dismisses people flat out in every single sense because they don't fit your ideal image then there is no point in even engaging this discussion. Move on.

 

 

Of course I have rejected men I was not attracted to when it came to dating, no one is saying you should be forcing yourself to date someone you are not attracted to, tying yourself down to someone romantically and making a person feel good about themselves even for an instant, are two completely different things. I am not debating whether external beauty is important when it comes to romance. I take insult in the fact that I am being told I would be a liar if I told a person who is obese that they look good in a picture. If I like the way someone looks in a picture, obese and all, I think they look good. End of story. What is so deceitful about that? It’s even more offensive that I have some coward on the internet who hides behind his own angry words trying to dictate to me what I should and should not express as appealing!?!? WTF!?!?

 

It’s scary that we live in such a rotten society that not only are people who do not fit the ideal standard of beauty supposed to be dismissed from any sort of social interaction, we must not express to them any nice comments because that is lying to them.

 

Yes, god forbid you actually say something nice to someone who will appreciate it. WTF? How does that even affect you? Unless of course you are the proverbial creep that has been discussed in this thread and all you are faced with is rejection from women, then I can see why you would want to piss on anyone’s and everyone’s parade.

 

 

Furthermore, I have one of those contacts like that on Facebook, she is an old university friend and we just started talking since we found each other on Facebook. She was always chubby but now she is obese and she is very short and her face is not as attractive as she could be. But guess what, I went to a house party she had and I met her fiancé, yup she is getting married next spring, and he was in pretty ok shape and is an attractive guy. He was doting after her and was so loving that half the skinny beautiful women with hottie boyfriends could only dream of having men as loving by their side. Her facebook wall is filled with comments from men and women who compliment her on how cute she looks in certain pictures. If some of the dumb ass comments that are being expressed in this thread were actually true, then you might as well call it a day people your life is simply not worth living you will end up insane and lonesome.

 

dang, she wrote like a book.....

 

are you ok? i'm starting to wonder if you are really that 300lb woman that has caused so much discussion.

[thegreatmoose]

You got completely owned by Johnny M. How about you reply to his last post with something intelligent instead of hoping he will post a pic so that maybe you can find something unattractive about him to diss on.

 

And what's up with you not showing your own face, from your pic I come to conclude that either:

 

1. You're afraid to show your face off because you're insecure about your looks.

 

2. You don't want to show your face online for privacy reasons.

 

3. Your boobs are the only thing you have going for you and you think people will take you more seriously if they find something attractive about you first instead of just dismissing you as some stupid ugly chick.

 

How about you post a pic of yourself (face and all) and have other women and men on this forum be brutally honest about what they really think you look like.

 

The way I see it is that women normally think they are way way better looking than they actually are because other women compliment them and leave them comments about how "beautiful you look" because they are expecting a similar compliment/and or profile comment in return.

 

And a man will always tell a women that is above average looking or even average looking how beautiful she is, and point out all her attractive features because he wants to get laid and he knows it will get him closer to it by complimenting her and making her feel good about herself, instead of if he was honest and maybe pointed out that he thought her ears were slightly too big.

 

You never see a girl leave another girl a comment like this on myspace or facebook. "hey gurl ur looking so sexy in this pic, i love that shirt, but your nose is looking extremely pointy and sharp at the same time, love ya xoxo"

 

Or one from a guy that goes like "wow your eyes are so beautiful in this pic I could stare into them all day... that is if those two big zits on your forehead won't take my attention away"

 

So yeah the way I see it a girl will never really know her flaws because she is always being lied to about how perfect her looks are.

You are completely wrong and are very insulting in your post.

 

She completely outsmarted Johnny M. I can not believe some of what you post . Don't you have ANY respect for others?

 

Yeah, how about you post a pic of yourself inspiredbyyou a close up of your face with no makeup on.

 

And we'll all be brutally honest on what we think, instead of being like your friends and or guys who want you to sleep with them and saying "oh you're so sexy girl oh oh oh".

 

Don't flatter yourself, I doubt anyone would want your pic to do "malicious things with it" that sounds like a dumb excuse you're using because you're afraid of posting your picture and actually being told the truth.

 

 

 

So someone who spends his time on forums reading and having discussions with other people about stuff that interest him makes him "a troll" "inbred" and "a coward" are you retarded? You do the same exact thing and by your post count it seems you are on here more than the average person, so STFU.

 

More nonsense posted by you, "piercemyheartemotion".

[piercemyheartemotion]

Lol, is that what guys think now? Trust me, girls are aware of exactly how how attractive they are. All they have to do is look at how much male attention their friends are getting compared to them.

 

You make a good point, but even the average and bellow average girls get hit on lots by guys, since they are not drop dead gorgeous and tend to attract more ugly guys than "hot guys" they automatically think they attract "creeps" and then in turn come online and post threads like this one.

 

So I think the answer to the OP is that creeps aka ugly guys (lets call a spade a spade) will hit on you if he thinks you're average or bellow average and he stands a chance with you.

 

The more creeps that hit on you, the uglier you really are, maybe if your friends were honest with you on how you really looked you wouldn't be so surprised as to why you're attracting creeps.

 

If you're hot, I think the number of creeps/uglies that hit on you is greatly greatly decreased.

 

Some smart woman should form a creep/normal guy hit on mathematical formula to help women determine where they really stand look wise LOL

[silic0ntoad]

Here. Be Brutally Honest. This is my Cupid profile. Let me know what you ladies think of my looks (AND LOOKS ONLY!)

 

Then I'll respond.

 

http://www.okcupid.com/profile/iamn0thing/

[phineas]

All you boys should post pictures of yourselves, I promise to be brutally honestly with you about how you look.

 

Deal?

 

Leave the 300lb imaginary woman alone, she has enough issues to deal with as it is.

 

with or without shirt?

[InspiredbyYou]

Thanks TheGreatMoose. I guess I would be more popular if I said, we should all spit on unattractive and overweight people to make sure they understand how undesirable they are. I will never ever be that kind of person, and if that makes me a liar then so be it. Like some of the mean spirited people in this thread. Funny thing is that I've been saying right from the get-go that I respect guys that actually have the courage to go up to women and spark up conversation, the only time I have a problem is if they get creepy about it. Like not taking no for an answer.

 

silic0ntoad: I think you are cute, you have really nice eyes and it shows in the second picture. The first picture is too blurry and close up in an unflattering way, and the second picture where you are pouting is goofy. I know you are trying to be candid but try candid flattering instead. You definitely have the looks to achieve that.

Edited December 9, 2009 by InspiredbyYou

[Yukikazi]

A guy that is hesitant and nervous and not all there in confidence can come off as creepy.. even if he is a 10.

 

Maybe what the point of contention here is the argument that the300lbs person needs is less "Oh you look great.. any guy would love to have you.. you got a great personality" and more constructive criticism.. I'm not saying insult them obviously.. but maybe they should be prodded more into what they should do to improve themselves... positive motivation rather then the safer generic compliments that some of the guys are arguing against.

Edited December 9, 2009 by Yukikazi

[silic0ntoad]

silic0ntoad: I think you are cute, you have really nice eyes and it shows in the second picture. The first picture is too blurry and close up in an unflattering way, and the second picture where you are pouting is goofy. I know you are trying to be candid but try candid flattering instead. You definitely have the looks to achieve that.

 

Thanks for the honesty. My camera (phone) is garbage and I am inbetween digi cams so I am beat for what I got. That first pic is from this morning. My co-worker decided it would be funny to snap one of me walking into work after she snatched my phone.

 

Either way, I can see how guys can come off as creepy. I think it all has to do with approach. I don't approach women on the streets simply because, I am not there to hit on people. If I am on the streets its to go somewhere or do something; business comes first. So I assume the same. If a lady is on the street she is going to do something and doesn't have time to be bothered with pickup lines.

[InspiredbyYou]

 

Maybe what the point of contention here is the argument that the300lbs person needs is less "Oh you look great.. any guy would love to have you.. you got a great personality" and more constructive criticism.. I'm not saying insult them obviously.. but maybe they should be prodded more into what they should do to improve themselves... positive motivation rather then the safer generic compliments that some of the guys are arguing against.

 

 

Gees some of you men make is sound like these women are blind and stupid. Do you honestly thin that at 300lbs a person would not have a very clear idea of what the repercussions of being that big are? Do you not think they understand how limited they are socially being that big? You are completely clueless if you think that by telling someone who looks like that "you look cute in that picture" is going to make them think their life will be just fine if they continue on the path they are on.

 

What some of you who are going down so hard on this fail to realize is that we ALL have formed our perceptions of ourselves based on what we have experienced in relationships with others. We all form our self esteem based on the potentials others spot in us, combined with the personal accomplishments we achieve in life. Why should we deprive those who have shortcomings from getting the same thing? Do you all not think you have shortcomings? Do all not think you also fail miserably in certain aspects of your personalities or bodies or life? We all do, you do too even if you don't weigh 300lbs yet there was someone along the way in your life who was able to overlook your shortcomings and see the potentian in you instead and they chose to play on that.

 

If something in the way you are conducting your life (be it overindulging in food consumption, or substance abuse, or emotional abuse of others, or sexual promiscuity whatever it is that we take on to an extreme that ultimately harms us) is clearly getting in the way of you achieving your personal goals, no amount of praise from others going to change the effects of that self-mutilating act But what it will do is make use believe in ourselves enough to want to do good things for ourselves instead of digging ourselves deeper into abandon.