dreamergrl Posted December 7, 2009 Share Posted December 7, 2009 Proves my point right here. Women don't like the bare chested muscleman avatars because they know it is attractive to many women, hence hard to keep around, not because it is "arrogant" or anything of the sort. :lmao: Thanks, I needed a good laugh. No offense to Lost, but he's been having troubles getting a girl to have a relationship with. Not your best argument. He feels the need constantly call girls and be more needy and clingy. It doesn't matter what his body looks like, that will make a girl go running. Again, no offense Lost. Link to post Share on other sites
cognac Posted December 7, 2009 Share Posted December 7, 2009 I agree. Also... do you want a girl that's 250 miles away to be contacting you just for your picture? How about what she read in your profile? Lost, you go on and on about how you want a meaningful relationship, but just because your picture stood out doesn't mean it's the type of attention you want, as TBF said. A meaningful relationship wont stem off of your abs. No matter how hard you work out and what not, that's not what's going to give you your meaningful relationship. This is true, but a misleading truth. True, having a muscular and attractive body won't keep women around for a relationship. However, it will reel them in. The thing women are constantly sidestepping on here is the fact that while it is true that having a great personality will keep women around and make you very attractive with women, the way you look makes them want to get to know you. The big ugly secret is that most men who get friendzoned isn't because of any personality trait, usually it's because they are not attractive to women on the exterior. I have a "great personality" according to people who know me, yet I am undiscovered. Why? I'm short and lost like 6 lbs of muscle due to a lot of stress and not having time to work out. My friend who has my identical personality is 6 feet tall and has a better body than me, and yet he has women all over him. Link to post Share on other sites
dreamergrl Posted December 7, 2009 Share Posted December 7, 2009 Lets face it girls are just as shallow as men are. Ive read articles and forums that say using a body shot is a bad thing but I disagree. I used to have a headshot with a nice smile on my face and that "good guy image" was getting me no place fast. When you walk into a car dealership to buy a car you looking at the outside first then you take a look inside. If you like what you see you usually give it a test drive before you make a long term commitment. Online dating is the same thing. First you check out the photo and ask yourself is he or she attractive, if you think so then you go and check out their profile. If you like what you see then you strike up a conversation and try for a date. A Toyota Prius MAY have a nice interior and will get you from point A to B, and be reliable and safe. Yet lets face it you want the little red corvette with the tight bucket seats, sexy body and well the ride is nothing more then mind blowing. I’ve had a body shot up for two days. I have had a 1000% increase in girls checking out my profile. I’ve even started chatting with a 26 year old girl who appears to be very interesting and looks gorgeous. Would she of messaged me before I put the bodyshot up?? I dont know but im happy I did and its staying up. FACT: Advertisement sells! Just because the outside looks good doesn't mean the inside is great. Look at Kias. They sell because they are less expensive, and they look fine inside and out, but they break down a lot quicker. And does one buy the fast pretty car because it's going to be ideal long term? No. It's to have fun in the summer, cruising with the top down, and feeling a little reckless. Or too some, it's about status. Maybe you want to rethink your analogy. Of course more girls will message you, but what does it say about those girls if they only messaged you based on your picture? Not who you are. They look at you as a trophy. A piece of meat. You can see if someone is attractive without baring your skin. Link to post Share on other sites
CLC2008 Posted December 7, 2009 Share Posted December 7, 2009 Proves my point right here. Women don't like the bare chested muscleman avatars because they know it is attractive to many women, hence hard to keep around, not because it is "arrogant" or anything of the sort. This is a valid point as the same can be said for men towards attractive women. Link to post Share on other sites
Lost-n-confused Posted December 7, 2009 Share Posted December 7, 2009 My match.com account went from dead. I mean dead to getting emails, winks and views. O btw I called that one girl like 5-7 times in a three week time frame. Link to post Share on other sites
dreamergrl Posted December 7, 2009 Share Posted December 7, 2009 This is true, but a misleading truth. True, having a muscular and attractive body won't keep women around for a relationship. However, it will reel them in. The thing women are constantly sidestepping on here is the fact that while it is true that having a great personality will keep women around and make you very attractive with women, the way you look makes them want to get to know you. The big ugly secret is that most men who get friendzoned isn't because of any personality trait, usually it's because they are not attractive to women on the exterior. I have a "great personality" according to people who know me, yet I am undiscovered. Why? I'm short and lost like 6 lbs of muscle due to a lot of stress and not having time to work out. My friend who has my identical personality is 6 feet tall and has a better body than me, and yet he has women all over him. Like so many have stated, it's not because you are short or lost muscle. You and your "You women" attitude is what screws you up. You may think you don't show it IRL, but true colors always show. This thread http://www.loveshack.org/forums/t210180/ is a perfect example. Link to post Share on other sites
dreamergrl Posted December 7, 2009 Share Posted December 7, 2009 My match.com account went from dead. I mean dead to getting emails, winks and views. O btw I called that one girl like 5-7 times in a three week time frame. And she called you once or twice, just to return calls. You over showed interest. You kept asking her out over and over, and got denied most of the time. You didn't want to take no for an answer. That's desperate and clingy. And did your looks and muscle win her over? No. And if you want girls to message you because they like you for your looks and not who you are, that's on you, but don't come crying back here when you can't get a meaningful relationship still. Link to post Share on other sites
carhill Posted December 7, 2009 Share Posted December 7, 2009 The other side of the coin is, amongst those young ladies ostensibly seeing him as a piece of meat, there might be one who discovers she has more depth than that and takes the time to get to know him as a person. Had she not seen the 'meat', she might never have come to know him nor an important aspect of herself. BTW, I see this as a gender-neutral issue, but this thread is about shirtless men He can always keep his shirt on, perhaps even wear a santa suit, and keep the cat feeder full while the rain pours down and he posts on LS. Link to post Share on other sites
silic0ntoad Posted December 7, 2009 Share Posted December 7, 2009 LOL I have one. But mine is more of a "I'm not chubby" shot/joke. I am not ripped, nor built, just totally average. It's a side shot to show I'm not chunky (Someone thought I was chunky so I posted it to disprove their theory). I've kept it up labelled "OH, my rippling greek godlike physique" HAHA. Link to post Share on other sites
Yukikazi Posted December 7, 2009 Share Posted December 7, 2009 And she called you once or twice, just to return calls. You over showed interest. You kept asking her out over and over, and got denied most of the time. You didn't want to take no for an answer. That's desperate and clingy. And did your looks and muscle win her over? No. And if you want girls to message you because they like you for your looks and not who you are, that's on you, but don't come crying back here when you can't get a meaningful relationship still. The flip side to this is for every 1 woman on the dating sites.. there are probably about 120+ men.. so something must be done to stand out among the other guys.. If a shirtless pic does the job of getting the attention of a lady.. then all good. I think the quandary is.. its a turnoff when the guy messages the girl first.. but a turn on when the girl finds it first.. but then wtf do i know... Link to post Share on other sites
threebyfate Posted December 7, 2009 Share Posted December 7, 2009 No doubt more attractive men get more attention than less attractive men. But what and who are you marketing to, when you show off your chest and abs? A fully dressed pic can easily prove that someone isn't "chubby". Just wear a more form-fitting t-shirt. Sorry guys, but it's more than marketing. It's your vanity. Link to post Share on other sites
dreamergrl Posted December 7, 2009 Share Posted December 7, 2009 The other side of the coin is, amongst those young ladies ostensibly seeing him as a piece of meat, there might be one who discovers she has more depth than that and takes the time to get to know him as a person. Had she not seen the 'meat', she might never have come to know him nor an important aspect of herself. BTW, I see this as a gender-neutral issue, but this thread is about shirtless men He can always keep his shirt on, perhaps even wear a santa suit, and keep the cat feeder full while the rain pours down and he posts on LS. It's great to to have one attracted to you, but one shouldn't have to bare themselves to get attention. The same coin can be flipped in the other direction. Some women are turned off by muscle like that. I think being able to see ones veins like Lost has in his picture is gross. I know I'm not the only woman like this, as I have plenty of friends who share this view. So by revealing it all except his pickle like that, he's also turning away girls who might over look it if they get to know him first. Either way... Someone who is all about the meat like that isn't going to have much substance as a person. If a person over looks a profile because they have a shirt on, chances are they are just looking for 'fun' or a 'trophy'. A "Look what I was able to get" kind of thing. Link to post Share on other sites
InspiredbyYou Posted December 7, 2009 Share Posted December 7, 2009 Yeah I gotta admit I did not like at all getting shirtless pics from guys, in fact I made a joke about it right in my profile something to the effect of "you forgot your shirt, do you always go out looking like that?" After all online is still like being at a social gathering or something...you wouldn't show up half naked now would you? A well defined close up fully clothed picture is SO much sexier really if you think about it than a naked one. But there must be some women out there who just love that kind of thing, otherwise so many men would not be doing it. It was a turn-off for me, I don't want to see a man naked in his profile, it sends out the wrong message on first impression, unless I am about to attack his body. Question for the guys who use this method: Would you post a pic of you in your pjs? Why or why not? Link to post Share on other sites
dreamergrl Posted December 7, 2009 Share Posted December 7, 2009 The flip side to this is for every 1 woman on the dating sites.. there are probably about 120+ men.. so something must be done to stand out among the other guys.. If a shirtless pic does the job of getting the attention of a lady.. then all good. I think the quandary is.. its a turnoff when the guy messages the girl first.. but a turn on when the girl finds it first.. but then wtf do i know... Maybe I'm alone here, but a guy can do so much more to stand out in a profile then bare his chest. I love witty and goofy humor in profiles. I love pictures that put a guy in his natural setting. So if I see a guy without a shirt, in his bedroom, that screams sex sex sex to me. If a guy is in a suit and tie in several pictures, I'm a prone to keep moving because I'm quite casual. I also read the profiles as well. Yes I look at the pictures, but that's not the only reason I write to a person. When a girl says "Your shirtless picture stood out" to me that says she didn't bother reading the profile, she just wants a guy that "Looks good". For as much as Lost goes on and on and on about wanting a meaningful relationship, you'd think he wants the attention of a girl who read his profile, likes his goals and ambitions. As similar interests. But no... he wants the attention of a girl who just wrote him because he looks good. And she's 250 miles away. Link to post Share on other sites
InspiredbyYou Posted December 7, 2009 Share Posted December 7, 2009 So if I see a guy without a shirt, in his bedroom, that screams sex sex sex to me. If a guy is in a suit and tie in several pictures, I'm a prone to keep moving because I'm quite casual. I also read the profiles as well. Yes I look at the pictures, but that's not the only reason I write to a person. When a girl says "Your shirtless picture stood out" to me that says she didn't bother reading the profile, she just wants a guy that "Looks good". Uhhhh so true!! I hated those bedroom or pillow pictures the worst, along with the bathroom mirror shot with a towel around him. Some of those bedroom shots looked so creepy you could almost smell the scent of "I've been jerking off in my bedroom for 10 days straight and have not left this room" right through the computer screen. Yeah nothing beats humor and a close clear shot of a guy's face, then a few more pics of him in social settings or what have you to get an idea what his style is like and what he likes to do. But the clear close up of the face was crucial for me. You could have the best naked chest in the world but if you have a buttaface, not interested. not only that if they hid their face chances are they hid a lot of other things, like being married or taken perhaps! Link to post Share on other sites
Yukikazi Posted December 7, 2009 Share Posted December 7, 2009 Maybe I'm alone here, but a guy can do so much more to stand out in a profile then bare his chest. I love witty and goofy humor in profiles. I love pictures that put a guy in his natural setting. So if I see a guy without a shirt, in his bedroom, that screams sex sex sex to me. If a guy is in a suit and tie in several pictures, I'm a prone to keep moving because I'm quite casual. I also read the profiles as well. Yes I look at the pictures, but that's not the only reason I write to a person. When a girl says "Your shirtless picture stood out" to me that says she didn't bother reading the profile, she just wants a guy that "Looks good". For as much as Lost goes on and on and on about wanting a meaningful relationship, you'd think he wants the attention of a girl who read his profile, likes his goals and ambitions. As similar interests. But no... he wants the attention of a girl who just wrote him because he looks good. And she's 250 miles away. Remember the profile pic and the title are the only attention grabbers we got.. if you don't stand out enough on those.. then having a wonderful profile wont mean **** if noones bothering to read it. Sometimes even guys need attention but I'm sure its a nice ego stroke to get a message like that. Link to post Share on other sites
Yukikazi Posted December 7, 2009 Share Posted December 7, 2009 I wonder how much of this could be traced to all photos.. Women are masters of finding just the right angle to hide any rolls or indications of weight or body issues. Men are masters of the topless pic (cause sites wont allow topless women pics Women are trying to hide that which embarrasses them most to pickup a guy... Guys are trying to emphasize that which they think makes them look best. Its a disconnect. Link to post Share on other sites
dreamergrl Posted December 7, 2009 Share Posted December 7, 2009 Uhhhh so true!! I hated those bedroom or pillow pictures the worst, along with the bathroom mirror shot with a towel around him. Some of those bedroom shots looked so creepy you could almost smell the scent of "I've been jerking off in my bedroom for 10 days straight and have not left this room" right through the computer screen. Yeah nothing beats humor and a close clear shot of a guy's face, then a few more pics of him in social settings or what have you to get an idea what his style is like and what he likes to do. But the clear close up of the face was crucial for me. You could have the best naked chest in the world but if you have a buttaface, not interested. not only that if they hid their face chances are they hid a lot of other things, like being married or taken perhaps! Yes! And I hate shots where their head is tilted. And all the pictures are that way. It's an illusion. Or having all far away from the camera pictures. Like you said, without a clear picture face, I'm skeptical. I want to see that the guy can have fun and enjoy life. I want to see what he looks like. I can see what he looks like without his clothes later on if it progresses to that. Leave a little to the imagination Link to post Share on other sites
Yukikazi Posted December 7, 2009 Share Posted December 7, 2009 Leave a little to the imagination Stop imagining me!! Link to post Share on other sites
carhill Posted December 7, 2009 Share Posted December 7, 2009 Look at all the attention he's getting, just in this thread Good work man....hope it works out for you... Link to post Share on other sites
dreamergrl Posted December 7, 2009 Share Posted December 7, 2009 Remember the profile pic and the title are the only attention grabbers we got.. if you don't stand out enough on those.. then having a wonderful profile wont mean **** if noones bothering to read it. Sometimes even guys need attention but I'm sure its a nice ego stroke to get a message like that. Which is why I pass on the shirtless pictures. It screams sex. I'm not looking for a sex based relationship. Wouldn't it be a better ego stroke if a guy messaged a guy because he's attractive with his clothes on? Wouldn't it be better for the ego if the girl finds him attractive for more then just his muscles? Also, needing an ego stroke is not attractive. Link to post Share on other sites
dudet Posted December 7, 2009 Share Posted December 7, 2009 Yeah I gotta admit I did not like at all getting shirtless pics from guys, in fact I made a joke about it right in my profile something to the effect of "you forgot your shirt, do you always go out looking like that?" After all online is still like being at a social gathering or something...you wouldn't show up half naked now would you? A well defined close up fully clothed picture is SO much sexier really if you think about it than a naked one. But there must be some women out there who just love that kind of thing, otherwise so many men would not be doing it. It was a turn-off for me, I don't want to see a man naked in his profile, it sends out the wrong message on first impression, unless I am about to attack his body. Question for the guys who use this method: Would you post a pic of you in your pjs? Why or why not? a bit hypocritical eh? like you got room to talk....look at your avatar, thats as bad as a guy being topless. just think if you have a pic like that on here..what WOULD you have on a dating site:laugh: for the record you pic is not exactly a turn on Link to post Share on other sites
Yukikazi Posted December 7, 2009 Share Posted December 7, 2009 Wouldn't it be a better ego stroke if a guy messaged a guy because he's attractive with his clothes on? Umm i hope to hell thats a typo.. i don't think thats the type of stroking he had in mind. Wouldn't it be better for the ego if the girl finds him attractive for more then just his muscles? Of course.. but if the pic is mundane.. he could have the most awesome attractive enticing profile known to man.. but with a lame pic and uninteresting title to grab attention.. he wont get anywhere. Also, needing an ego stroke is not attractive. needing 1.. no Getting 1.. matter of opinion. So you don't think getting complimented is attractive? Whats a compliment other then a stroke of someone elses ego? Link to post Share on other sites
InspiredbyYou Posted December 7, 2009 Share Posted December 7, 2009 Which is why I pass on the shirtless pictures. It screams sex. I'm not looking for a sex based relationship. It does scream sex, and for me it also screamed "GAY". Sorry. Though in guy's defense, if the guy is at the beach I would accept that photo. Also I think it is less threatening if the guy is in his 20's anything above that screams "middle aged old douche bag" That's just wrong. Link to post Share on other sites
CLC2008 Posted December 7, 2009 Share Posted December 7, 2009 Yes! And I hate shots where their head is tilted. And all the pictures are that way. It's an illusion. Or having all far away from the camera pictures. Like you said, without a clear picture face, I'm skeptical. I want to see that the guy can have fun and enjoy life. I want to see what he looks like. I can see what he looks like without his clothes later on if it progresses to that. Leave a little to the imagination I think it's safe to say, most if not all of us, post pics of ourselves that are flattering and show off our best assets. MYSELF included. IBY has the camera pointed at her boobies.... And Dreamer, your head is tilted in your photo too! Link to post Share on other sites
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