InspiredbyYou Posted December 1, 2009 Posted December 1, 2009 I agree that she's good at rallying and being woodsy charming, "with all the huntin' and the fishin' and the hockey" (ugh). I guess my point is, in relation to the thread, that there is no way she would have gotten this far if she didn't represent the collective male desire to have sex with a milf. Perfect example of what the OP is talking about!! Yes, that is the bottom line. Sex moves the world. Some women tap into their sexuality/appeal more than others, some use it to get ahead, some use it to stay afloat, some don't use it at all and are not confident in their power, some abuse it. Let's face it attraction is an aphrodisiac. Being smart and being able to do a job well is all fine and great, especially as a woman, but ultimately we all want to be sexually appealing. Men and women alike. That's the bottom line. You hit the nail on the head!
kizik Posted December 1, 2009 Posted December 1, 2009 You hit the nail on the head! Sadly... ..................
Ruby Slippers Posted December 1, 2009 Posted December 1, 2009 Yeah, women can get more things, like free drinks at the club and moving up in the line, but who cares? That stuff is practically worthless. The women getting free cars and houses are users. Men can do the same if they want to give up integrity and become con men, because that's all those women really are: cons. Exactly. The price tag on the amount of free gifts, trips, etc. I've been offered by men I wasn't interested in is pretty huge. But I never accepted those if I didn't have a genuine romantic interest in the guy, because doing so would have amounted to glorified prostitution. Trust me, this world is full of men just BEGGING women to use them.
Untouchable_Fire Posted December 1, 2009 Posted December 1, 2009 Palin's got low-level cunning tied into the ability to manipulate people, using a blatantly false folksy charm that takes in people who aren't too bright. She's also bulldog aggressive, spiteful, petty and mean. THAT's why she's made it as far as she did. Her looks have helped in that people aren't repulsed by looking at her and also, get taken in when they believe she's genuine, underestimating her street-level cunning. She's no stranger to mud slinging and wrestling, since she went through the beauty pageant circuit. Guaranteed, she would never have made it as far as she did, if it were in one of the larger population, more sophisticated states. As for the comment about respecting women, there's a difference between respect and idolization aka doormat behaviour. I agree with your assessment of Palin. I think she would have needed to change tactics in a larger more metropolitan area. I can't think of a national level female politician that isn't petty and mean. A guy doesn't want to idolize or respect. With most men if you don't give respect... you probably won't get it. With most women if you give respect... you will lose it.
Sam Spade Posted December 1, 2009 Posted December 1, 2009 Perfect example of what the OP is talking about!! Yes, that is the bottom line. Sex moves the world. Some women tap into their sexuality/appeal more than others, some use it to get ahead, some use it to stay afloat, some don't use it at all and are not confident in their power, some abuse it. Let's face it attraction is an aphrodisiac. Being smart and being able to do a job well is all fine and great, especially as a woman, but ultimately we all want to be sexually appealing. Men and women alike. That's the bottom line. You hit the nail on the head! If that's you in the picture, I'd vote to have you rule my world, no problem .
InspiredbyYou Posted December 1, 2009 Posted December 1, 2009 On the flipside, Hilary Clinton can do a job better than Sarah Pallin (arguably of course let's not get into a political debate about this) how many women want to be just like Hilary Clinton, how many men want a woman just like Hilary Clinton?
kizik Posted December 1, 2009 Posted December 1, 2009 If that's you in the picture, I'd vote to have you rule my world, no problem . Sam, you just proved OP's point. Nice work defying the stereotype.
Ruby Slippers Posted December 1, 2009 Posted December 1, 2009 Some women tap into their sexuality/appeal more than others, some use it to get ahead, some use it to stay afloat, some don't use it at all and are not confident in their power, some abuse it. Are you saying that not using your sexuality to get what you want implies a lack of confidence in your sexual power? Because I disagree. I think it's a sign of character to use other "powers", such as intelligence, compassion, genuine communication, etc. It's easy to use your sexuality to get things -- it's tougher to use other facets of yourself, and I think it does a lot more to develop character and humanity.
InspiredbyYou Posted December 1, 2009 Posted December 1, 2009 If that's you in the picture, I'd vote to have you rule my world, no problem . Yes that is "part" of me. Ooh I've never been asked to rule someone's world but I did get to cut in line often at bars when everyone else had to wait in line for hours. Ooops sorry, that's abusive behavior according to some's standards.
Sam Spade Posted December 1, 2009 Posted December 1, 2009 Sam, you just proved OP's point. Nice work defying the stereotype. Inspiredbyyou for president! Free margaritas and bikini wax for everyone! There are plenty of women in my field that are mediocre, but get special treatment. I do my little part to NOT be the one giving it. Boobs can't compensate for lousy theoretical frameworks and poor methodological skills .
threebyfate Posted December 1, 2009 Posted December 1, 2009 I agree with your assessment of Palin. I think she would have needed to change tactics in a larger more metropolitan area. I can't think of a national level female politician that isn't petty and mean. A guy doesn't want to idolize or respect. With most men if you don't give respect... you probably won't get it. With most women if you give respect... you will lose it.We used to have a GG, who I highly respected, The Right Honourable Adrienne Clarkson. I can't speak for other women but if I don't get respect, I lose all respect for the males who don't give it.
The Way I Am Posted December 1, 2009 Posted December 1, 2009 Another great post. Let me ask y'all this, for example, though: Don't you think Sarah Palin only got to where she is b/c of her looks? Clearly she is dumb as a box of rocks. Would we still love any other woman or man who retired the gubernatorial office, if they were not attractive? Somehow, governor (and politics in general) is one of those positions you don't seem to need much brain power or skills to get. Look at the Governator. I think he's as dumb a rock, too. Politics is a job where being charming, relatively good looking, and slightly dumb is a positive whether you're male or female. (W is another example) Palin got the running mate position the same way Michael Steele got his: politicians (especially the republicans lately) are idiots and base their decisions on the superficial, because they think that's what's important to the public. I don't think either Palin or Steele would be as successful as they are now in actual jobs. Since the election, I think Palin's appeal is no longer about how attractive she is. (Really she's not that good looking anymore. Maybe 10-15 years ago, but there are certainly much better looking women in the world.) The attention is because of how dumb she is and because she won't stop saying stupid things and getting into high school arguments with a kid who knocked up her daughter. Plus, she keeps prodding the media to get their attention by criticizing them for how much and what type of attention they give her. She's one of those walking soap operas. Those can be male or female also, eg John Gosling.
InspiredbyYou Posted December 1, 2009 Posted December 1, 2009 Are you saying that not using your sexuality to get what you want implies a lack of confidence in your sexual power? Because I disagree. I think it's a sign of character to use other "powers", such as intelligence, compassion, genuine communication, etc. It's easy to use your sexuality to get things -- it's tougher to use other facets of yourself, and I think it does a lot more to develop character and humanity. No what I am saying is that because we live in a sexually driven world (which isn't changing anytime soon), it's easy to use your feminine powers to get what you want sometimes. Every woman has that power, some women know how to use it others don't. And some women think they have more power than they actually do, hence the OP's comments. Intelligence alone will get you only so far as a woman, just as sexual appeal alone will get you just as much.
kizik Posted December 1, 2009 Posted December 1, 2009 @ TWIA I like your posts and will have to read all of them.
Sam Spade Posted December 1, 2009 Posted December 1, 2009 No what I am saying is that because we live in a sexually driven world (which isn't changing anytime soon), it's easy to use your feminine powers to get what you want sometimes. Every woman has that power, some women know how to use it others don't. And some women think they have more power than they actually do, hence the OP's comments. Intelligence alone will get you only so far as a woman, just as sexual appeal alone will get you just as much. Yep, and the bottom line is that whenever you're a man or a woman you're pretty much officially brain dead if you treat this fact of life with anything but sense of humor and not take it too seriously (i.e. the situations where as a man you don't realize you've been sexually manipulated, or when as a woman you overstate your self-worth due to sexual interest). Most people are capable of acknowledging Palin's appeal (me too), yet I'd never vote for that crazy ho . But you can also bet that there are also groups (particularly in the sexually repressed far right ), that would easily rationalize her sex-appeal as "charisma", "down to earth", whatever.
Untouchable_Fire Posted December 1, 2009 Posted December 1, 2009 We used to have a GG, who I highly respected, The Right Honourable Adrienne Clarkson. I can't speak for other women but if I don't get respect, I lose all respect for the males who don't give it. Oh, your Canadian? I've read a lot of your posts and had not realized that. I used the word most, because I've run across some women in my time that think more like men and have healthy self esteem. You remind me more of that type than others. I'm sure you know already that women like you are very rare. You can tell the difference between when a man respects you and when he is a doormat. I rarely run into a woman that can make that distinction. Just like most can't tell the difference between a self centered Ahole and a confident man.
The Way I Am Posted December 1, 2009 Posted December 1, 2009 @ TWIA I like your posts and will have to read all of them. Aw. Thanks. I fear the rest may not live up to the expectations.
kizik Posted December 1, 2009 Posted December 1, 2009 Whateva. At least you got some brains in that skull, which is always nice.
InspiredbyYou Posted December 1, 2009 Posted December 1, 2009 I would much rather have people realize that I'm smart and good at my job than get a worthless free drink or to the front of some lame line. I can buy thousands of my own drinks with a higher salary. when you are 22?
InspiredbyYou Posted December 1, 2009 Posted December 1, 2009 . But you can also bet that there are also groups (particularly in the sexually repressed far right ), that would easily rationalize her sex-appeal as "charisma", "down to earth", whatever. Exactly!! Sure sure, it was her "charisma and personality" that won men over. Doesn't say a lot for men if that statement were true.
Untouchable_Fire Posted December 1, 2009 Posted December 1, 2009 Exactly!! Sure sure, it was her "charisma and personality" that won men over. Doesn't say a lot for men if that statement were true. They have already done that study. It basically works like this: Women tend to vote for the most attractive candidate whether it be male or female. JFK beating Nixon the first time is a prime example. Men tend to use more intellectual criteria when voting. I think in America we should have a very serious discussion regarding the value of the 19th amendment.
The Way I Am Posted December 1, 2009 Posted December 1, 2009 when you are 22? Yes, when I was 22 I also didn't give a cr*p about free drinks or getting to the head of lines. (I certainly have never had any interest in free drugs.) -- I imagine a girl who thinks the things you've expressed in this thread would find that hard to believe or assume I must be ugly, unconfident, etc. My friends and I could have sweet talked some bouncer to try to get into clubs (I've certainly seen much less attractive women do it), but IMO that's pretty demeaning and not worth it. I'd rather wait in line behind the guys. We even joked once about how we needed to get a friend with lower self-respect who would flirt to get us in for free. Yeah, there were times where somebody approached us and took us to the front of some line and let us in free. Woo. So what? Is it really worth getting bitter over? Other women get that treatment a lot more than I have, because they seek it out and look to use their sexuality to take advantage of situations. I'm not getting bitter about them getting those things when I'm not, because it's not a big deal. I realize there are many women who don't have the maturity and insight at 22 (or even at my age -- I'm still in my 20's, btw) to realize that clubbing, male attention, and getting men to buy them things aren't the greatest things in the world. Just like the guys getting bitter over it don't realize all girls aren't like that and that those girls aren't worth their time or getting bitter over. So what if some women are taking advantage of men's willingness to appease a pretty face? As long as you're not the one they're taking advantage of, then who cares. It's better to just not give those types what they want and instead remain quietly amused at their absurdity and the fools who fall for it.
InspiredbyYou Posted December 1, 2009 Posted December 1, 2009 Wow you sounded a lot older The Way I am, didn't realize you were still in your early 20's. Cool! Y Yeah, there were times where somebody approached us and took us to the front of some line and let us in free. Woo. So what? So, nothing. It is what it is. I think it gets tiresome for some men when they encounter young women who have a princess attitude and they shouldn't. That was the point. We even joked once about how we needed to get a friend with lower self-respect who would flirt to get us in for free. So flirting to bypass a line at a club is lowering your self respect? I didn't realize clubbing was such a moral experience! We ARE talking about clubbing not church right? It's cold out, there is a huge lineup why wait inline if you can bypass it? Do you love waiting in line at the checkout counter when you get groceries as well? If I could bat my eyelashes to get the hell out of the grocery store faster BELIEVE ME, I TOTALLY would. But there is usually women working the cash register so no go... So what if some women are taking advantage of men's willingness to appease a pretty face? As long as you're not the one they're taking advantage of, then who cares. It's better to just not give those types what they want and instead remain quietly amused at their absurdity and the fools who fall for it. It's not so cut and dry, it's like saying so what if people are into skinny tight bodies, if you are fat let all those who like skinny bodies enjoy themselves and quietly be amused at their absurdity. Sooner or later you as the overweight person will realize you are living in a society conditioned by what others dictate the norm should be. When these women who take advantage of guys, turn around and then expect that kind of "royalty treatment" from all guys I am sure as a guy it can get pretty tiresome, and downright annoying. Hence the quest by many men to find a "decent" woman. Why is decency such a hot commodity these days? Think about that.
InspiredbyYou Posted December 2, 2009 Posted December 2, 2009 They have already done that study. It basically works like this: Women tend to vote for the most attractive candidate whether it be male or female. JFK beating Nixon the first time is a prime example. Men tend to use more intellectual criteria when voting. I think in America we should have a very serious discussion regarding the value of the 19th amendment. Well she did lose right? It was a loaded question/comment my previous post! Ouch why do I feel like we are about to regress to circa 1908?
threebyfate Posted December 2, 2009 Posted December 2, 2009 Oh, your Canadian? I've read a lot of your posts and had not realized that. I used the word most, because I've run across some women in my time that think more like men and have healthy self esteem. You remind me more of that type than others. I'm sure you know already that women like you are very rare. You can tell the difference between when a man respects you and when he is a doormat. I rarely run into a woman that can make that distinction. Just like most can't tell the difference between a self centered Ahole and a confident man.Yup, a proud Canadian! I've always enjoyed international politics and find U.S. politics not only fascinating but also, keeping abreast of what's going on with our southern neighbors, is beneficial from both a work and personal perspective. It provides you with the ability to cherry pick your opportunities by being part of the leading edge, rather than within the lemming pack. I'm not so unusual, as my RL friends tend to lean this way too. They're primarily career women or women who were once career-oriented but are taking a sabbatical, to raise a family. Some are raising a family and remain career-focused. Like draws like. I guess that's part of my difficulty with the opening post. A complete lack of respect for women and their abilities beyond the superficial. It really is insulting to those of us who've worked hard to get what we have.
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