clv0116 Posted November 18, 2009 Posted November 18, 2009 She doesn't eat certain foods. Not every vegan is an activist. There is a lot more to being vegan than diet, genius. For instance clothing choices and so forth must be made. It's really a form of religion, or you're not a vegan. I respect strict vegetarians, as I noted above. Enjoy: http://www.vegansociety.com/default.aspx
The Way I Am Posted November 18, 2009 Posted November 18, 2009 They won't wear silk for example. Neither do I. Nor do I wear leather.
clv0116 Posted November 18, 2009 Posted November 18, 2009 I suggest using a dictionary to look up the definition of words, not activism websites. When the fellow that INVENTED the word also created a society to promote the philosophy, I'd consider that definitive.
The Way I Am Posted November 18, 2009 Posted November 18, 2009 When the fellow that INVENTED the word also created a society to promote the philosophy, I'd consider that definitive. Words don't always retain their original meaning. They change and evolve over time. You should really trust a dictionary. And that doesn't change the fact that activism definition you provided still doesn't support your point. Anyway, this topic has now taken over this thread, which is meant to be about deal breakers. You've clearly made up your mind and are going to stick to it despite any facts. If you want to start a thread about this subject, I might be willing to continue discussion over there. (Probably not since it's already been talked to death.) But I'm going to try to let this thread either die or get back on topic.
thegreatmoose Posted November 18, 2009 Posted November 18, 2009 There is a lot more to being vegan than diet, genius. For instance clothing choices and so forth must be made. It's really a form of religion, or you're not a vegan. I respect strict vegetarians, as I noted above. Enjoy: http://www.vegansociety.com/default.aspx You post the website of an activist group. Not all vegans are part of activist groups. I'm not an expert on the subject and never claimed to be. I'll defer to Sedgwick who lives it, but most certainly NOT to you on what it is to be a vegan.
bayouboi Posted November 18, 2009 Posted November 18, 2009 The amount of hatred being spewed here towards environmentalists, feminists, and vegetarians really baffles me. Why would anyone get so outraged that a person wants to leave the planet in better shape than she found it, be respected even though she has a vagina, and eschew eating animals? The anger directed at these pacifist pursuits confounds me. While it may not apply to you, most of us who dislike environmentalists/feminists/vegetarians would argue that your description of these types as "pacifist(s)" isn't applicable. In other words, most of our experiences with these types are quite the opposite as they try to force their views on how to live life on others.
clv0116 Posted November 18, 2009 Posted November 18, 2009 You post the website of an activist group. Not all vegans are part of activist groups. It's the website of the society created by the man who coined the term. That's as definitive as it gets, and yes, a true vegan is gonna be a deal breaker for me, but as I noted from the very get-go, a vegetarian, even a strict one, will not be; that brings us right back on topic. She can call herself a Martian, and I don't care about that. On the other hand all her claiming to be Martian in the world won't make it TRUE.
clv0116 Posted November 18, 2009 Posted November 18, 2009 (edited) Words don't always retain their original meaning. The man who created the term also founded a society dedicated to the preservation and promotion of the ideals the term represents. That's as definitive as it gets. No, I would not date a vegan, people who claim to be vegan are either nutters and really try to follow the rules or they claim to be vegan but don't really follow through. The second type are actually (usually) strict vegetarians who also have some animal rights leanings, but they don't live the lives of a fully vegan existence. I have no issues as such with dating a strict vegetarian but the animal rights thing is probably going to be an issue. The reason I find vegans to be nutters is the strictness of their rules, which essentially try to change the world. Strictly speaking, if the farmer who raised the carrots was wearing leather gloves.... well that's right out. EDIT: Here's the source: "No Animal Ingredients The manufacture and/or development of the product, and where applicable its ingredients, must not involve, or have involved, the use of any animal product, by-product or derivative." Edited November 18, 2009 by clv0116
thegreatmoose Posted November 18, 2009 Posted November 18, 2009 It's the website of the society created by the man who coined the term. That's as definitive as it gets, and yes, a true vegan is gonna be a deal breaker for me, but as I noted from the very get-go, a vegetarian, even a strict one, will not be; that brings us right back on topic. She can call herself a Martian, and I don't care about that. On the other hand all her claiming to be Martian in the world won't make it TRUE. I take her description over yours. I'm not going to argue any more on this. Back on topic, someone like Sedgwick who is a vegan but is fine letting her significant other eat meat would not be a dealbreaker for me. On the other hand, someone else might be an "activist vegan" who gets upset when I decide to eat meat. That would be a dealbreaker for me.
clv0116 Posted November 18, 2009 Posted November 18, 2009 I take her description over yours. Cool, I'm a vegan too. I'm just one of the vegans who eats steak and won't date strict vegans who follow the guidelines of the guy who INVENTED BEING VEGAN.
The Way I Am Posted November 19, 2009 Posted November 19, 2009 Back on topic again, I'm adding "people who don't believe dictionaries" to my deal breakers.
clv0116 Posted November 19, 2009 Posted November 19, 2009 Back on topic again, I'm adding "people who don't believe dictionaries" to my deal breakers. Actually I like it, I'm a vegan now too, I had a ham and cheese sandwich for dinner. This vegan thing is a breeze, I can take it off my list of deal breakers as long as she's not actually strict about it.
The Way I Am Posted November 19, 2009 Posted November 19, 2009 Correction: People who don't know how to use a dictionary and/or don't know what one is. I think I also forgot pessimists on my original list. They're such a drag. And people who get road rage. Not sexy.
clv0116 Posted November 19, 2009 Posted November 19, 2009 Back on topic again, I'm adding "people who don't believe dictionaries" to my deal breakers. Seriously, a dictionary like MW is just gonna give a brief and simple definition, it's not going to explain all the nuances of a complex thing. I can't believe I have to explain this. Even then MW says "abstains from using any animal products" or words to that effect. What you're doing is the equivalent of believing a dictionary about what a Mormon is over what the Mormon church teaches they should be. Interesting for a lay person but not likely to get you far if you start claiming to be a Mormon. Not that MW is wrong, just that it's not as complete and deep as the real sources it draws from. Conversations like this are why I don't date crazy people.
The Way I Am Posted November 19, 2009 Posted November 19, 2009 (edited) I'd be happy to explain why your latest arguments aren't valid, but again, the discussion has gone beyond the topic of this thread. It's not fair to people who want to discuss the original topic. Please open another if you want to talk about that subject. Edited November 19, 2009 by The Way I Am
TheBigQuestion Posted November 19, 2009 Posted November 19, 2009 I'll try to put this back on track. Dealbreakers: 1. Use of heavy drugs, past or present - coke, heroin, meth, painkillers, as well as alcoholism. I don't care if it's now or if it happened ten years ago, the woman is just way more likely to be loaded with issues if there's a history of drug use. The mark of this type of person is the one who goes out of her way to say that "it's in the past." That and I don't feel like dating someone who has done more messed up things than I have. I feel like I haven plenty to go around. 2. Religious belief to any significant degree, as I'm an atheist. If it's enough for you to want your children to be baptized, it's too much for me. 3. Being overly politically correct and being easily offended by edgy comments/humor. Nothing is more of a turn-off to me than a woman who can't accept that racially-oriented jokes are alright among friends, or who thinks the word "gay" shouldn't be used as a substitute for "lame." Leave the self-righteous, self-indulgent bull**** at the door, thanks. 4. Children. I'm 22. Women in my age range should not be single with kids in this day and age. Nothing screams "Hey I'm ****ed in the head and I might also be out to use you!" more than a 21 year old with a kid. 5. Being less good-looking than my ex (the only ex I have, whom I dated for 3 years) and two best looking hookups since then. Shallow? Yes. But I don't feel like settling at my age. Women who are fantastic looking and also have attractive, intelligent personalities are out there, and since I've already landed a few of these said women, that's what I exclusively seek in a future girlfriend. 6. Right-wing or libertarian nutjobs to any degree. Seriously, what business do women have being right-wing? 7. Significant mental issues/illness/overmedication. I understand that everyone has issues, but I won't actively seek out people who have 3+ prescriptions for their mental issues, or who have any other significant history of being a "trainwreck."
The Way I Am Posted November 19, 2009 Posted November 19, 2009 6. Right-wing or libertarian nutjobs to any degree. Seriously, what business do women have being right-wing? There's bound to be something to find offensive about that statement, but I couldn't help but snicker.
Boundary Problem Posted November 19, 2009 Posted November 19, 2009 Someone who makes spectacularly incorrect assumptions and proceeds to make decisions on piss poor information, all due to their constipated preference for communication style.
LucreziaBorgia Posted November 19, 2009 Posted November 19, 2009 Being mean and/or impatient with my kid or hurting her in some way either emotionally or physically. If a man acts like my kid is a burden in any way, even in the slightest way or tries to make me choose between him or my kid it is GAME OVER.
Citizen Erased Posted November 19, 2009 Posted November 19, 2009 Being mean and/or impatient with my kid or hurting her in some way either emotionally or physically. If a man acts like my kid is a burden in any way, even in the slightest way or tries to make me choose between him or my kid it is GAME OVER. That is how it should be. The respect I already had for you has doubled.
silverfish Posted November 20, 2009 Posted November 20, 2009 Add women with kids. Women have kids, get over it.
clv0116 Posted November 20, 2009 Posted November 20, 2009 Women have kids, get over it. If they're not mine, no, I won't. Women I date don't have kids, take meds for a chronic condition or engage in annoying activist activities.
silverfish Posted November 20, 2009 Posted November 20, 2009 If they're not mine, no, I won't. Women I date don't have kids, take meds for a chronic condition or engage in annoying activist activities. Men I date aren't uptight, boring, or have any kind of allergy
clv0116 Posted November 20, 2009 Posted November 20, 2009 Men I date aren't uptight, boring, or have any kind of allergy If that's what you care about then more power to you. I don't need to waste my time and resources to propagate someone else genetic legacy, nor do I want to put up with the inevitable conflicts and issues over kids when they are not even my kids. Nothing personal, but why should I accept that if I don't have to? Chronic disease is not pretty and I feel bad for people who have it, but I don't need to fall in love with someone who is afflicted. Why do that when there are so many healthy people out there?Activists are like toy poodles, sort of fun and cute to watch bounce around but ultimately there's not enough coffee in the world to make them seem worth the effort.
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