Chicago_Guy Posted November 18, 2009 Posted November 18, 2009 being untrustworthy on a lighter note, i once saw a guy casually, for a couple of weeks or so but i wasnt in love or anything like that. anyway, i was in the bathroom and he went for a wee, i turned around to see him sitting down, like a little boy having a wee. i found it the most un-masculine thing i'd ever seen and instantly went off him. strange cos i'd never thought about it before so I guess sometimes we dont know what puts us off until it happens! I don't understand your scenario. So you were just using the sink or something and this guy went into the bathroom and sat down on the toilet? I guess that for me a bigger issue is that someone you only dated for a couple weeks wanted to use the bathroom while you were still in there yourself.
Malenfant Posted November 18, 2009 Posted November 18, 2009 I don't understand your scenario. So you were just using the sink or something and this guy went into the bathroom and sat down on the toilet? I guess that for me a bigger issue is that someone you only dated for a couple weeks wanted to use the bathroom while you were still in there yourself. yeah, thats exactly what happened. and you're right
cheergirl Posted November 18, 2009 Posted November 18, 2009 Being bipolar has made me work even harder to figure out how to get by in the world and get along with others Does "getting along" with others include accepting/respecting their dating preferences/choices? -Constant facebook/texting This might be a weird one but if I really don't like the taste in their music it is a real turnoff. I got respect for all types of music but there are some I can't stand. Anyone over 15 who uses txtspk rather than standard English in emails, texts etc. Good point, music is important... My musical Dealbreakers anyone over 15 who listens to emo:eek:anyone over 15 who listen to hip-hop:rolleyes:anyone under 60 who listens to bands with overly earnest singers U2, Coldplay, Creed etc ...(yawn..)anyone who doesn't appreciate Elvis:cool:
sedgwick Posted November 18, 2009 Posted November 18, 2009 (edited) I'm SUPPOSED to be slutty! /giggle giggle. Empowered women! /spreads legs. It's okay to be nasty because I read "The Ethical Slut!" I'm a feminist! Honest! Someone needs to shoot them. Someone needs to SHOOT them?!?! You're advocating that feminists be SHOT? Are you serious??? You think women who are free and empowered about their own sexuality should be KILLED?? Does "getting along" with others include accepting/respecting their dating preferences/choices? I respect anyone who is not a closed-minded bigot. Edited November 18, 2009 by sedgwick
thegreatmoose Posted November 18, 2009 Posted November 18, 2009 Someone needs to SHOOT them?!?! You're advocating that feminists be SHOT? Are you serious??? Are all the men on LS insane conservatives? This thread is actually really terrifying to me. No way, I'm generally to the left of center. There definitely are a number of right wing crazies around here and some are posting in this thread.
thegreatmoose Posted November 18, 2009 Posted November 18, 2009 Anyway sedgwick? Do you have a crush on clv or something? Why do you insist on trying to change his mindset and accept something he doesn't like? Why can't you accept that yeah, it's his preference, such a closeminded person and move on. I'm sure there'll be some good men that likes a vegan bipor feminists out there. I think she's trying to talk some sense into clv. I don't know if that is possible in this case. I don't see anything wrong with a vegan bipolar feminist. I eat meat but don't mind if a woman chooses not to, know that bipolar is a treatable condition where one can live a normal life and am a man who feels women deserve equal rights.
cheergirl Posted November 18, 2009 Posted November 18, 2009 Someone needs to SHOOT them?!?! You're advocating that feminists be SHOT? Are you serious??? You think women who are free and empowered about their own sexuality should be KILLED?? I respect anyone who is not a closed-minded bigot. Isn't this supposed to be about whom we would rather not date? Clearly we don't date those we can't respect I'm going to stick my neck out here, but IMHO, your posts reek of humourlessness, deathly earnestness and intransigence.... Some guys find that unnattractive, and that's okay! There are lots of guys, (here on this board) who would find someone like you extremely attractive despite and/or because of the feminism, pink hair, vegan ideals and bipolar issues. Isn't it great we live in a world where everyone can have personal preferences? You can berate folks all day and night but it's not going to change their minds about what turns them off...
thegreatmoose Posted November 18, 2009 Posted November 18, 2009 Isn't this supposed to be about whom we would rather not date? Clearly we don't date those we can't respect I'm going to stick my neck out here, but IMHO, your posts reek of humourlessness, deathly earnestness and intransigence.... Some guys find that unnattractive, and that's okay! There are lots of guys, (here on this board) who would find someone like you extremely attractive despite and/or because of the feminism, pink hair, vegan ideals and bipolar issues. Isn't it great we live in a world where everyone can have personal preferences? You can berate folks all day and night but it's not going to change their minds about what turns them off... I don't see her berating anybody. Several have berated her for no good reason. I don't agree that her posts "reek of humourlessness, deathly earnestness and intransigence" and she never posted anything I saw about having pink hair.
metaphors Posted November 18, 2009 Posted November 18, 2009 No, I was saying that women who misuse the word "feminist" are wrong. I'm not LITERALLY advocating anyone kill anyone. But there ARE women out there who hide under the GUISE of feminism in order to be sexually open. You KNOW the type, whether you want to admit it or not. I am not anti-feminism at all, the movement as a whole has a positive vibe. However, like I stated in my post, I dislike women who use it like a sorority. Like all they have to do is say they're a feminist and it gives them free reign to be sexually irresponsible. Now, before one preaches from their high horse, I am not equating being sexually empowered to being irresponsible. There is a difference, a vast difference. I think that a certain breed of loose/nasty women who claim asylum under the "shell" of feminism happen to be hurting the cause, rather than helping it. I happen to be a female, and I happen to fall left of center myself. Not a jesus-freak, and while I would never say I'm a full-fledged badge-toting feminist, I would gladly say I do just as much for the equality movement than any slutty chick pretending to be a feminist so she can try to assuage her personal guilt for moving from partner to partner. Are their feminists out there who practice responsible and safe sex? Sure, you bet. But that isn't who I was talking about, now is it?
sedgwick Posted November 18, 2009 Posted November 18, 2009 (edited) your posts reek of humourlessness, deathly earnestness and intransigence.... You can berate folks all day and night but it's not going to change their minds about what turns them off... Actually, I'm probably the biggest goofball on the planet, have a very silly sense of humor, and have no desire to berate anyone. What I DO desire is that people educate themselves and make informed decisions, rather than throwing out blanket generalizations. However, nice job with using the word intransigence! I'm always thrilled to see a correctly-spelled, polysyllabic word on LS. It gives me a tiny ray of hope. Thegreatmoose, THANK YOU for sticking up for me. I get attacked so much on these boards I sometimes wonder why I come back, but my desire to educate others and encourage them to see people as individuals rather than stereotypes prevails. And as for the feminists-should-be-murdered thing, I must say I've honestly never met a woman who espoused feminism solely out of a desire to be a "slut." Even in all my years working at Toys in Babeland, I never met anyone like that. At all. And why on earth shouldn't women be sexually open no matter WHAT their ethics? Edited November 18, 2009 by sedgwick
clv0116 Posted November 18, 2009 Posted November 18, 2009 There's an episode of the show Top Chef that Natalie Portman is on. It's about them making and eating vegetarian meal, so you can see how she addresses her views on the subject. Is she vegan, or not? Vegetarian I can deal with, I'd even consider going mostly-veg if someone was cooking delicious vegetarian meals. Vegans are by definition militant. They will not, for instance, eat food cooked in vessels that have cooked meat. That's not based in any dietary requirement. Before you say "not all vegans are like that", I'll just say that if that's so, then I'm a meat eating vegan. Names mean things.
sedgwick Posted November 18, 2009 Posted November 18, 2009 I Vegans are by definition militant. What is the reasoning behind saying any group of people is "by definition" anything? I'm vegan, and as I said before, whatever anyone else eats is their business. I've gone on dates with guys who have sat right across from me and eaten hamburgers and haven't said a word, out of respect for what THEY believe and THEY want. Why are you unwilling to grant that same respect to others, and why do you insist instead on generalizing? I am truly interested to know how that serves you, as I find it much easier to assume people are individuals and to treat them as such.
clv0116 Posted November 18, 2009 Posted November 18, 2009 I don't see anything wrong with a vegan bipolar feminist. I eat meat but don't mind if a woman chooses not to, know that bipolar is a treatable condition where one can live a normal life and am a man who feels women deserve equal rights. On feminism, again, it depends on what we mean by "she's a feminist", I too like the (new to me) term "equalist". Chronic disease is not something I want to step into, I'd deal with it if it came up later but why bring that on? Vegan is not the same as vegetarian. If your GF were Vegan, she would require that you be Vegan, or that your household essentially maintain almost 2 sets of cookware and so on. That's being evangelical about not eating meat.
clv0116 Posted November 18, 2009 Posted November 18, 2009 What is the reasoning behind saying any group of people is "by definition" anything? I'm vegan, ... If you will eat food from an oven that's also cooked a roast, you're not vegan baby.
sedgwick Posted November 18, 2009 Posted November 18, 2009 (edited) If you will eat food from an oven that's also cooked a roast, you're not vegan baby. That's just silly. The roast doesn't contaminate the oven, and as such, I have no problem whatsoever with that. I don't require multiple sets of cookware, I just ask that the dishes be clean. I find that MODERATION and COMPASSION are very important! Also, in no way do I require that the men I date be vegan, so that statement too is incorrect. I respect their dietary choices just as I ask them to respect mine. And I am absolutely vegan, and my name's not baby. You are welcome to call me Sedgwick! Actually, never mind. I need to step away from this thread. For whatever reason, making sweeping generalizations about others seems to serve you, and there's nothing I can do about that except go out into the world and remember how much richer a place it is if I DON'T generalize. Edited November 18, 2009 by sedgwick
cheergirl Posted November 18, 2009 Posted November 18, 2009 Actually, I'm probably the biggest goofball on the planet, have a very silly sense of humor, and have no desire to berate anyone. What I DO desire is that people educate themselves and make informed decisions, rather than throwing out blanket generalizations. However, nice job with using the word intransigence! I'm always thrilled to see a correctly-spelled, polysyllabic word on LS. It gives me a tiny ray of hope. Awww, thanks! Nice to meet you! I'm new here and I thank you for your reply. I don't know very much about bipolar disorder, but I am interested in reading your links... I may not agree with everything you say, but I will defend to the death (or running out of electricity) your right to say it. Looking forward to many more of your well-written, thought-provoking posts. Many contrafibularities to you for the future...(It is a common word down our way...)
The Way I Am Posted November 18, 2009 Posted November 18, 2009 (edited) Is she vegan, or not? I don't know. Vegans are by definition militant. They will not, for instance, eat food cooked in vessels that have cooked meat. That's not based in any dietary requirement. Err... huh? Who is that militant against? The pan? I'm not a vegan, and I don't knowingly eat food that's been cooked on the same surface as meat without it having been washed. That's why I don't eat veggie burgers at fast food places. Before you say "not all vegans are like that", I'll just say that if that's so, then I'm a meat eating vegan. Names mean things.You don't make much sense with whatever point you're trying to make here, but you're free to your own opinion. I do personally know a vegan who used to be a project manager where I work. Even when the company brought in lunch and the only vegan option was a taco shell, lettuce, and tomatoes (which was fairly inconsiderate since there were at least 4 vegetarians/vegans at the company), she didn't scream and complain. She sat and talked with everyone else then went and got her own food afterward. I don't see what's militant about that. Anyone here would tell you she's a total sweet heart. Her dietary choice aside, she was probably the nicest person I've ever met, and that's no exaggeration. You're mistaking the outlandish actions of some people with a certain viewpoint as the way that all people who hold that view behave. It's the same thing as if I judged everyone who was a Republican by Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin and their nutter followers. Or judged everyone who has liberal views by Bill Maher's rants. Edited November 18, 2009 by The Way I Am
The Way I Am Posted November 18, 2009 Posted November 18, 2009 No, I was saying that women who misuse the word "feminist" are wrong. I'm not LITERALLY advocating anyone kill anyone. But there ARE women out there who hide under the GUISE of feminism in order to be sexually open. For the record, I know what type of women you're talking about, and I also think it's gross. (Plus, I figured the "should be shot" statement wasn't literal. Just a figure of speech. Gotta be careful saying that stuff these days though. With all the nuts who do mean those things literally, people can never sure whether you do or not. )
The Way I Am Posted November 18, 2009 Posted November 18, 2009 If your GF were Vegan, she would require that you be Vegan, or that your household essentially maintain almost 2 sets of cookware and so on. :lmao: :lmao: What the heck gave you that idea?? Did you know some super strict vegan who actually followed that? That's not what being vegan is.
thegreatmoose Posted November 18, 2009 Posted November 18, 2009 Thegreatmoose, THANK YOU for sticking up for me. I get attacked so much on these boards I sometimes wonder why I come back, but my desire to educate others and encourage them to see people as individuals rather than stereotypes prevails. Thanks. There are some people that can overcome these stereotypes. Others will never learn. There seem to be some in this thread that are in the never learn group.
thegreatmoose Posted November 18, 2009 Posted November 18, 2009 (edited) On feminism, again, it depends on what we mean by "she's a feminist", I too like the (new to me) term "equalist". Chronic disease is not something I want to step into, I'd deal with it if it came up later but why bring that on? Vegan is not the same as vegetarian. If your GF were Vegan, she would require that you be Vegan, or that your household essentially maintain almost 2 sets of cookware and so on. That's being evangelical about not eating meat. Not true. If you will eat food from an oven that's also cooked a roast, you're not vegan baby. Sedgwick clearly knows far more about being a vegan than you do. Again, your statement is not true. Edited November 18, 2009 by thegreatmoose
clv0116 Posted November 18, 2009 Posted November 18, 2009 Not true. Sedgwick clearly knows far more about being a vegan than you do. Again, your statement is not true. "The Vegan Society defines veganism in this way: [T]he word "veganism" denotes a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude — as far as is possible and practical — all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of humans, animals and the environment. In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals." If that's not the poster child for activism I don't know what is. But then this is just the organization founded by the guy who INVENTED the word .... What the heck gave you that idea?? Did you know some super strict vegan who actually followed that? That's not what being vegan is. A lot of people claim to be vegan when in fact they are really strict vegetarians. Vegans go way past dietary restrictions and get crazy with it. They won't wear silk for example.
Author betamanlet Posted November 18, 2009 Author Posted November 18, 2009 "The Vegan Society defines veganism in this way: [T]he word "veganism" denotes a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude — as far as is possible and practical — all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of humans, animals and the environment. In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals." If that's not the poster child for activism I don't know what is. But then this is just the organization founded by the guy who INVENTED the word .... A lot of people claim to be vegan when in fact they are really strict vegetarians. Vegans go way past dietary restrictions and get crazy with it. They won't wear silk for example. I believe Fruitarianism is more extreme than veganism. Fruitarians won't even eat vegetables, anything that would involve killing hte plant, such as a potatoe, celery, etc.. They only eat "fruits" because the plant survives, and the fruit is basically just the ovary of the plant..
thegreatmoose Posted November 18, 2009 Posted November 18, 2009 "The Vegan Society defines veganism in this way: [T]he word "veganism" denotes a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude — as far as is possible and practical — all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of humans, animals and the environment. In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals." If that's not the poster child for activism I don't know what is. But then this is just the organization founded by the guy who INVENTED the word .... She doesn't eat certain foods. Not every vegan is an activist. I dobt it's anywhere near that. She lives it and you spend seconds looking up the definition of vegan on the internet and claim to know more than her.
The Way I Am Posted November 18, 2009 Posted November 18, 2009 I suggest using a dictionary to look up the definition of words, not activism websites. In any case, the definition you provided still doesn't support your argument. There are many ways to promote a cause that don't involve being militant. Have you not heard of Gandhi? Are you familiar with Jane Goodall? She's very active in promoting animal rights, but doesn't support the absurd extremists. She promotes by educating. She's a very lovely lady judging by the interviews I've seen with her. You can promote veganism by leading by example, not by telling others what to do.
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