Sam Spade Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 ok ok. So some girls like tall guys and some don't. The "some don't" all hang out at LS...well...except megan. Also, barring actual midgetry, i bet that the smarter the girl (and the better she can spell), the less the relative importance of height. Oh, snap . Link to post Share on other sites
Sam Spade Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 I'm not saying that women shouldn't do it. What I am saying is that there is nothing inherently wrong with a man trying to exaggerate his height if you factor out societal biases. The reason why it's okay for women to wear makeup, high heels, padded bras and booty lifting jeans is because women have been doing it for a long time, so it's considered 'normal'. If it was common practice for men to wear elevator shoes, no one would associate them with insecurity. . Never argued with that, just sayin' that women BETTER invest a lot of time and effort in their appearance to make it worth dealing with them . The male beauty enhancing techniques are scoffed at because the relative importance of beauty in relationships is much lesser, so girls probably tend to thinkg "Why is he putting efforts in his appearance instead of working long hours to pay for my make up?":lmao: Link to post Share on other sites
dreamergrl Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 Eye makeup and lip gloss exaggerate a woman's natural features (i.e. making eyes look larger and lips more defined). Elevator shoes exaggerate a man's natural height. Same concept, from the logical standpoint (although not from the standpoint of social acceptance, obviously). It's not the same concept though, because we are bringing out our features, we aren't making features up. Now I can see you comparing implants... that's logical. A change in breast size is different, unless it's done for health reasons (boobs too big cause some women to have back issues, breast cancer - if a woman loses one or both) You seriously think that making eyes look slightly larger is on the same level as changing something like your height? Guess we better stop wearing make up To walk in the shoes of some of the people on here, I would give a lot... Even in manlets? Never argued with that, just sayin' that women BETTER invest a lot of time and effort in their appearance to make it worth dealing with them . The male beauty enhancing techniques are scoffed at because the relative importance of beauty in relationships is much lesser, so girls probably tend to thinkg "Why is he putting efforts in his appearance instead of working long hours to pay for my make up?":lmao: Guys get their hair cut certain ways, some get streaks put in. I've got no issues with well groomed finger nails But height, I don't believe, is a beauty aspect. Link to post Share on other sites
Star Gazer Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 Good luck with that, manlet. Wearing those shoes is sort of like a girl wearing a stuffed bra. Looks good at first, but when it comes off, you are highly disappointed. And yet so many women wear padded bras and get along just fine. Andre Agassi admitted he wore fake HAIR during tournaments and lifts to his own wedding. I think it's sad that he has to be ridiculed or otherwise feel ashamed about that, given that women alter their appearance with makeup, hairdye, bras, Spanks, you name it. Link to post Share on other sites
mbeewood Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 (edited) Also, barring actual midgetry, i bet that the smarter the girl (and the better she can spell), the less the relative importance of height. Oh, snap . I'm gonna have to agree with you there. I mean, usually when there's a girl that is oversly obsessed with height they seem less intelligent. Like earlier in this thread there was a girl talking about how she needs a man who can protect her, therefore she needs a guy above 6 feet, etc etc and she sounded kind of... unintelligent? Not gonna say any names though of course. Also can anyone explain to me why women give so much of a **** about extremely small amounts of height. I mean, I'm 5'7, and that's only 4.3% below average height. A 4.3% difference from average in any sort of physical trait would not matter at all. For example breast size, a guy isn't going to give a **** if your tits are 4.3% smaller than average. And yet for many women, a dude of 5'7 is "short" and unattractive. And has to be a huge standout in every other area, like how good looking he is, how athletic, how intelligent, respectful, funny etc just to have a chance with a girl over a guy who is say 6'2 and average in every other aspect. Even though when looking at actual facts, a difference of 4.3% is a laughably low amount. So why is it such a huge deal? Edited November 14, 2009 by mbeewood Link to post Share on other sites
DanielMadr Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 I'm not saying that women shouldn't do it. What I am saying is that there is nothing inherently wrong with a man trying to exaggerate his height if you factor out societal biases. The reason why it's okay for women to wear makeup, high heels, padded bras and booty lifting jeans is because women have been doing it for a long time, so it's considered 'normal'. If it was common practice for men to wear elevator shoes, no one would associate them with insecurity. Keep in mind that I'm 6'2, so I don't have a horse in this fight. I'm just looking at this issue from the standpoint of simple logic. Here's another example. Today, most people still scoff at the idea of breast implants. However, if someone figures out a way to make breast implants that do not cause health complications and look and feel like real boobs, pretty much every mammarially challenged woman will get them and breast implants will become 100% socially acceptable. I know what you mean but I don't agree. The reason it is OK for girls to wear makeup etc. and it is NOT OK for guys....guys should not be insecure. Guys dont mind if girl is insecure....it is not like she will defend him when the germans come. And it is not OK to have implants etc. you are cheating nature. Why shouldnt be your daughter pretty(and healthy) without surgeries, butox, colagen and hormones? Link to post Share on other sites
sally4sara Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 I'm gonna have to agree with you there. I mean, usually when there's a girl that is oversly obsessed with height they seem less intelligent. Like earlier in this thread there was a girl talking about how she needs a man who can protect her, therefore she needs a guy above 6 feet, etc etc and she sounded kind of... unintelligent? Not gonna say any names though of course. I'm going take a guess and say they're likely of the same level of intelligence as men who are obsessed with height. Not gonna say any names either of course. Also can anyone explain to me why women give so much of a **** about extremely small amounts of height. . So why is it such a huge deal? I can't speak for all women, but I've never had the topic come up during girl chat. Ever. So I'm not sure its mostly women giving so much of a **** about extremely small amounts of height. It has never been a big deal. Oh sure, it was a novelty in school when one day you realize the boys don't look like midgets compared to the girls anymore.....but then it just becomes another everyday thing. But men keep making an issue about it. I've had men ask me "can you not wear such tall boots next time" and heard them say "Man, you know St. Pierre is gonna take Alves! When he is on the ground he owns it and if they stand up he is the taller!" Plus, you her guys sweat models and they also must be of a certain height.... Its guys who are more hung up on height IMO. Link to post Share on other sites
dreamergrl Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 Also can anyone explain to me why women give so much of a **** about extremely small amounts of height. I mean, I'm 5'7, and that's only 4.3% below average height. A 4.3% difference from average in any sort of physical trait would not matter at all. For example breast size, a guy isn't going to give a **** if your tits are 4.3% smaller than average. And yet for many women, a dude of 5'7 is "short" and unattractive. And has to be a huge standout in every other area, like how good looking he is, how athletic, how intelligent, respectful, funny etc just to have a chance with a girl over a guy who is say 6'2 and average in every other aspect. Even though when looking at actual facts, a difference of 4.3% is a laughably low amount. So why is it such a huge deal? Who is making a big deal about it? I don't see women posting saying "Geeze I wish this guy who asked me out was taller". Link to post Share on other sites
mbeewood Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 Who is making a big deal about it? I don't see women posting saying "Geeze I wish this guy who asked me out was taller". Lots of women. And it's not about "I wish he was taller" Link to post Share on other sites
mbeewood Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 I can't speak for all women, but I've never had the topic come up during girl chat. Ever. So I'm not sure its mostly women giving so much of a **** about extremely small amounts of height. It has never been a big deal. Oh sure, it was a novelty in school when one day you realize the boys don't look like midgets compared to the girls anymore.....but then it just becomes another everyday thing. But men keep making an issue about it. I've had men ask me "can you not wear such tall boots next time" and heard them say "Man, you know St. Pierre is gonna take Alves! When he is on the ground he owns it and if they stand up he is the taller!" Plus, you her guys sweat models and they also must be of a certain height.... Its guys who are more hung up on height IMO. statistics disagree with you. I really wish you were right though. btw do you follow mma? Link to post Share on other sites
sally4sara Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 statistics disagree with you. I really wish you were right though. btw do you follow mma? Where do you find these statistics? In men's magazines? Some sort of manly version of cosmo? Someone selling shoe lifts or tricks for tweeking your charisma to make up for the sense of imperfections they hope you have? And yes I am fond of MMA. Link to post Share on other sites
dreamergrl Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 Lots of women. And it's not about "I wish he was taller" Where is your proof? All I see around here is a bunch of guys complaining about their height. I have no friends that use height for a deal breaker, it never comes up in conversation... However, a few guys I've been talking with through an internet dating site say "Oh good, at least your shorter then me", even when I don't bring it up. Link to post Share on other sites
jalbertson Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 Where is your proof? All I see around here is a bunch of guys complaining about their height. They complain for a reason, it's not a figment of their imagination. You seem like a thoughtful and sincere person, but it amazes me that you are not cognizant of any height preference among women. Tallness is an advantage in society, in general, why should it be any different when it comes to relationships? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/600481.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/2190461.stm http://www.epjournal.net/filestore/ep07477489.pdf http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S0191886907002814 http://jrscience.wcp.muohio.edu/Research/HumanNatureProgArticles/dontwantnoshortshortmanFI.html Link to post Share on other sites
Author betamanlet Posted November 14, 2009 Author Share Posted November 14, 2009 Where is your proof? All I see around here is a bunch of guys complaining about their height. I have no friends that use height for a deal breaker, it never comes up in conversation... However, a few guys I've been talking with through an internet dating site say "Oh good, at least your shorter then me", even when I don't bring it up. For the love of god, 20/20 even covered this and described it as an indisputable rule of "love". Your friends might not state they have height requirements, but do you see them dating short guys, or tall guys? Link to post Share on other sites
virgin Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 For the love of god, 20/20 even covered this and described it as an indisputable rule of "love". Your friends might not state they have height requirements, but do you see them dating short guys, or tall guys? I don't think being say over 5'7-8' is that much of a handicap with women. Women specify things but its not always a deal breaker. Women may want big d$%#s too. Then again, what do I know. Link to post Share on other sites
Author betamanlet Posted November 14, 2009 Author Share Posted November 14, 2009 I don't think being say over 5'7-8' is that much of a handicap with women. Women specify things but its not always a deal breaker. Women may want big d$%#s too. Then again, what do I know. Imagine if you were 5'0 though. Or 5'5 and 4'10 women telling you you aren't tall enough despite being much taller than them. And being the minimum acceptable height isn't really a good thing because if someone taller comes along, she'll be tempted. Link to post Share on other sites
likestolaugh Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 won't it be fun explaining to the girl why you're 3 inches shorter when you take your shoes off? Nothing attracts more than insecurity! Link to post Share on other sites
Author betamanlet Posted November 14, 2009 Author Share Posted November 14, 2009 won't it be fun explaining to the girl why you're 3 inches shorter when you take your shoes off? Nothing attracts more than insecurity! Yup, I'm sure she'll look the same without the makeup in the morning, or without the miracle bra, or the high heels.. Link to post Share on other sites
carhill Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 being the minimum acceptable height isn't really a good thing because if someone taller comes along, she'll be tempted. This is part of the same philosophy as the bigger d*ck, fatter wallet theory; you have no control over what she'll be tempted by. She has no control over what you'll be tempted by. The only sure move is not to play Link to post Share on other sites
Els Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 Frankly, with how worried you are about women's 'preferences' and temptation, you might wanna consider putting all your efforts into becoming a millionaire instead. You could probably be 4'9" and still get a woman, then - since it's all about the physical for you. Link to post Share on other sites
Author betamanlet Posted November 14, 2009 Author Share Posted November 14, 2009 Frankly, with how worried you are about women's 'preferences' and temptation, you might wanna consider putting all your efforts into becoming a millionaire instead. You could probably be 4'9" and still get a woman, then - since it's all about the physical for you. That's funny, because I'm not the one that holds against people what they have no control over. Link to post Share on other sites
Johnny M Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/600481.stm Women want a tall man because those extra centimetres suggest he either has good genes or comes from a wealthy background, new research claims. Just like I said in another thread. Tall = good genes. Link to post Share on other sites
sally4sara Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 They complain for a reason, it's not a figment of their imagination. You seem like a thoughtful and sincere person, but it amazes me that you are not cognizant of any height preference among women. Tallness is an advantage in society, in general, why should it be any different when it comes to relationships? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/600481.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/2190461.stm http://www.epjournal.net/filestore/ep07477489.pdf http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S0191886907002814 http://jrscience.wcp.muohio.edu/Research/HumanNatureProgArticles/dontwantnoshortshortmanFI.html What these articles say is that both genders are doing the same thing. What these articles DO is tell everyone the reasons why they should KEEP DOING what the offered proof is indicating. What these articles do not say is that the tendency to choose taller (for women) is more than just taller. That could be 1/2 an inch to a foot or more. And they say that men choose shorter under the same mindset. It still boils down to who they like among others. Take note that in the gender they choose, men are usually taller and women are usually shorter. Which came first the chicken or the egg? Men pick shorter than necessary women. Is this an effort to appear taller? Is this an effort to achieve an acceptable appearing mate? Women pick taller than necessary men. IT this so they will appear shorter? Is this an effort to achieve an acceptable appearing mate? The articles reinforce the perception that there are real advantages to do this despite these reasons being necessary to modern life. So I ask, would this still happen as much if everyone stopped arguing over which came first the, short man or the tall woman (chicken/egg)? Would this still be happening if we were not reading that it is happening and we should keep enacting it in mating rituals? I am just shy of 5'3". I've dated guys around my height to much much taller. I've seen other women do it. In all of these instances the awkwardness was the creation of the guy I dated or other guy's attitudes upon seeing his height. Link to post Share on other sites
MeganDoll Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 (edited) I still dont know any women who prefer non tall men some homely ones just have to settle The few ones who tried shroter guys were tempted by luscious tall men and cheated on them So short guys youre damned if you do damned if you dont:D Edited November 15, 2009 by MeganDoll Link to post Share on other sites
dreamergrl Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 I still dont know any women who prefer non tall men some homely ones just have to settle The few ones who tried shroter guys were tempted by luscious tall men and cheated on them So short guys youre damned if you do damned if you dont:D I think that this is a screen name used by one of the insecure with their height guys. But that's just me. I've already stated, I like 'em from five feet seven to five feet ten. I don't believe I'm the only one who stated they don't have an issue with height. So obviously there are women out there who are willing to accept it, we just don't like the insecurity. Link to post Share on other sites
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