GorillaTheater Posted December 11, 2009 Posted December 11, 2009 Many (cheating) men long to keep wifey at home while they diddle, terrified at the thought of her finding out and spoiling the fun. Women, who tend to 'feel' their way through decisions usually decide the marriage is lacking, want out, find a man they are attracted to THEN dump hubby, re-writing the marriage in the process. I don't know which is worse. From what I've seen, I think this generally holds up as true.
karnak Posted December 11, 2009 Posted December 11, 2009 Update - my H and I have been talking and have decided to get through the holidays together for the sake of our kids. I'm seeing an attny for the first time right after the first of the year. We have been very civil and agreeable - also very busy this month. I'm having a hard time because if days go by and we don't talk about this I sense he gets a false sense of hope. So I have to remember to remain somewhat apart from him - not always easy because of the kids. This holiday is going to be very difficult for the both of us. Its our last one - so many "lasts" this year. He feels that greatly. But I'm lookinf forward to moving on with my life and bettering myself. I think he is too. He obviously doesn't want this but has grown to accept it somewhat. Thanks for the news, Ann. Please keep posting updates. I guess this will be a tough christmas for you and your husband. But I sincerely hope that 2010 will be a better year for both of you. Please, take the time to think very, very seriously about your life and what you want for it. Get Dickens's clue and remember Xmases Past, reflect about Xmas Present and consider Xmases Future. All the best to you and your family.
hopesndreams Posted December 11, 2009 Posted December 11, 2009 Update - my H and I have been talking and have decided to get through the holidays together for the sake of our kids. I'm seeing an attny for the first time right after the first of the year. We have been very civil and agreeable - also very busy this month. I'm having a hard time because if days go by and we don't talk about this I sense he gets a false sense of hope. So I have to remember to remain somewhat apart from him - not always easy because of the kids. This holiday is going to be very difficult for the both of us. Its our last one - so many "lasts" this year. He feels that greatly. But I'm lookinf forward to moving on with my life and bettering myself. I think he is too. He obviously doesn't want this but has grown to accept it somewhat. Christmas. The season of giving. For the sake of the kids eh? More like for your own sake. Time to prepare, getting ready for the new man that is stealing you away from the man you love, but are not in love with. The best present you could have gave your H would have been leaving and not looking back. Not after the New Year, but way, way before. The longer you hang around, the more misery he is in, and you can practically taste it can't you.
curiou Posted December 12, 2009 Posted December 12, 2009 good luck Ann. I genuinely hope for the best for both you and your husband. Once you get into the whole "I love someone else" thing, it's almost impossible to give that up for what you feel is a loveless marriage. So give your husband a good gift and don't toy with him. By the way, is the OM a married man? I hope not. Are you moving in with him soon? Or will you live alone for a while to make it seem like you didn't have a relationship with him prior to leaving your marriage so your kids won't get so mad? Just curious, not judging at all. Being somewhat obsessed with this forum lately I just can't believe how common this stuff is. I guess when the national divorce rate is so high, this should be expected.
SimplyBeingLoved Posted December 12, 2009 Posted December 12, 2009 (edited) Wow, didn't realize this thread was a "bash Ann" thread. Ann, just wanted to let you know, I for one, understand what you are going through and wish you the best. It's not an easy decision but obviously you have thought this out very carefully. I'm in a similar position. Waiting through the holidays. Go ahead, bash away at me now ! With all the coulda, shouldas, oughtas, the bottom line is people are going to do what they really want to do, and nothing will change that. It's a free country, after all. Edited December 12, 2009 by SimplyBeingLoved
FeelingLonely98 Posted December 12, 2009 Posted December 12, 2009 Wow, didn't realize this thread was a "bash Ann" thread. It's not to bash anybody. It is to bash dishonest spouses who still will not be truthful with their BS, And they do it like for one reason. THEMSELVES. GD, the lies hurt me 100 times worse than the affair. LIES!!! I wouldn't have been hurt as much if I walked in and saw my Wife with her legs spread wide open and the 18 yr old boy on top of her going to town. Why are all the WASs such pathetic damn liars????
Author ann09 Posted December 12, 2009 Author Posted December 12, 2009 Wow. Talk about being bashed. Yikes. This is one tough forum. First of all, I've been very honest with my H. He knows everything. We talk about everything. I'm not leaving him for anyone. No one is moving in and I'm not moving in with anyone. I'm not lying or being deceitful. We've gone thru loads of MC and have come to this agreement together - I can't tell you how long or hard we have both tried. The kids are great - enjoying the christmas season as they should. We're being very grownup about this and have both decided it wouldn't be fair to disrupt their worlds this month. It has nothing to do with me or H, but them. Sorry if u all think I'm a horrid person. I've been going thru a lot and haven't really been in here and just decided to post a quick update. I didn't realize I'd get slammed but I consider the source while reading all replies. The only word that comes to mind is bitter. My H isn't even that bitter! In fact I think we are both going to be a lot better - we haven't been a happily married couple in so long. Anyway, bash away, I'm sure it makes everyone feel better to have me as their sounding board. I don't believe all the words are for me anyway, they're really meant for whovever burned them.
HeavenOrHell Posted December 12, 2009 Posted December 12, 2009 My ex was faithful and so was I, but he fell out of love with me. He could have fought harder to save us, I was trying so hard, but he walked. Well I hope he finds someone exciting to fall in love with over again, now that I'm old and unattractive. I have no trust or faith in relationships now, if he left me after we were solid for so long, so compatible, how will I ever believe any relationship will last. Well, I for one am a male who would never never have done that to my STBXW. I was faithful to the end with her. I would have fought and worked through anything. Alas, she walked and gave up. I will also have a very hard time regaining trust in my upcoming dealings with women as romantic partners. I hope I never meet an "ann09" or an equivalent to my STBXW. {shudder}
HeavenOrHell Posted December 12, 2009 Posted December 12, 2009 Ann, you are right, most of the people bashing you are taking out their bitterness on you, as if you're responsible for all the cheaters and dumpers:laugh: You and your H are being very mature about this, unlike many of the posters here, you are both communicating and trying to work things out the best way you can. Take care hun Wow. Talk about being bashed. Yikes. This is one tough forum. First of all, I've been very honest with my H. He knows everything. We talk about everything. I'm not leaving him for anyone. No one is moving in and I'm not moving in with anyone. I'm not lying or being deceitful. We've gone thru loads of MC and have come to this agreement together - I can't tell you how long or hard we have both tried. The kids are great - enjoying the christmas season as they should. We're being very grownup about this and have both decided it wouldn't be fair to disrupt their worlds this month. It has nothing to do with me or H, but them. Sorry if u all think I'm a horrid person. I've been going thru a lot and haven't really been in here and just decided to post a quick update. I didn't realize I'd get slammed but I consider the source while reading all replies. The only word that comes to mind is bitter. My H isn't even that bitter! In fact I think we are both going to be a lot better - we haven't been a happily married couple in so long. Anyway, bash away, I'm sure it makes everyone feel better to have me as their sounding board. I don't believe all the words are for me anyway, they're really meant for whovever burned them.
giotto Posted December 12, 2009 Posted December 12, 2009 it seems to me that many people on this foum can't read or are projecting their frustation... life is not black and white... haven't you noticed?
Steadfast Posted December 12, 2009 Posted December 12, 2009 (edited) Ann, at one time you admitted to being a compulsive liar. Well, sorry to say this, but you still are. You're lying to us, your STBXH, and to yourself. You may see me and others as bitter (that's the only way to twist the truth into wrong) and 'projecting' our anger towards the spouses who dumped us, but the reality is everyone knows it's -you- who will suffer most in the end. You say this now: "First of all, I've been very honest with my H. He knows everything. We talk about everything." But you said this before: I'm having a hard time because if days go by and we don't talk about this I sense he gets a false sense of hope. So I have to remember to remain somewhat apart from him...*SNIP*...He obviously doesn't want this but has grown to accept it somewhat. It's just a guess, but I'd be willing to bet you have a pattern of rebellion towards those who love you. Something you did long before this man and this 'mistake' of a marriage. It's called selfishness Ann, and it has NOTHING to do with me, or the other betrayed spouses who have posted here giving advice. What you -again- refuse to see is that we've lived it; the beginning, through the divorce, and the years that follow. We see the pain, heartache and suffering that affects everyone involved; especially the lying betrayer who started it, they suffer most. So, while you call me a bitter, wounded loser, I'll call it as I see it. As I lived it. You're a fool. And you're joined and encouraged here by other fools as well, people who are living a similar lie and enjoy the company. Misery loves company. You are too blind or too arrogant to recognize loving advice; confusing it with control or being told what to do. But, the laws of the universe remain Ann, and what goes around comes around. Your denial, my denial won't stop it. My time is too valuable to waste anymore of it on this. My last post. I am not leaving because my feelings are hurt, it is because you're constantly abusing the truth and twisting it to support your selfishness. Good luck. Edited December 12, 2009 by Steadfast
Author ann09 Posted December 12, 2009 Author Posted December 12, 2009 Fair enough. I hear where you're coming from, I really do. But you don't know me very well - but - I can see where one would read my posts and think what they do. Only I know the kind of person I am. Only I know the effort I've put into my marriage. And the mistakes I've made along the way (I live with them everyday). But I also know and own up to a lot - have continued being honest - trying to vastly improve my self worth. I can't erase the mistakes I've made. If I could go back and do things differently, I would in a heartbeat. But I can't. It wouldn't be fair to stay in a marriage feeling the way I do. My H doesn't want it either. He needs and deserves better. So do our kids. They deserve happier parents. Not parents that are so miserable with eachother. Maybe most of you believe divorce is wrong and because of the mistakes I made I don't deserve happiness - and that's ok. All I want is to find peace in my life. Be a better mother - and if that's alone, then so be it. It was wrong for me to call any posters here bitter. I don't know you and shouldn't judge like that. I apologize. I've gotten very insightful advice here and read every post with an open mind. It still doesn't change the fact that my H and I don't have the marriage each of us deserve. I do believe this is a situation my kids would benefit from not having us stay married. Maybe I deserve to stay unhappily married to this man as punishment - but he deserves more. And my children do as well.
HeavenOrHell Posted December 12, 2009 Posted December 12, 2009 Ann is already suffering, I don't believe she will be more unhappy if/when they divorce. We all know in our hearts whether we are with the right person or not, Ann knows in her heart she is not. My ex left me as he was no longer in love with me, but this does not mean I wanted him to stay, I do not want to be with someone who does not love me as a partner, I need more than that, Ann and her husband deserve to be truly loved as a partner, not a friend. My ex left me after 18 years, he is not a fool, he would have been a fool to stay with me if he does not love me, it was hurting us both, and I deserve more than that. I would hate him to stay out of duty, I would find that horribly patronising. He has left me but he is not suffering for it, why should Ann suffer for leaving her husband. It is not a crime to not be in love with your partner, or to know they are no longer the right person for you (if they ever were). Yes I know Ann feels love for her partner but the sort of love a spouse feels/should feel for her partner is unlike the love you have for anyone else, if you do not have that the marriage/relationship will be unfulfilling and unhappy. We all mistakes, especially when young and naive, why should Ann be punished for this forever. She is clearly not a cruel or thoughtless person. Ann, at one time you admitted to being a compulsive liar. Well, sorry to say this, but you still are. You're lying to us, your STBXH, and to yourself. You may see me and others as bitter (that's the only way to twist the truth into wrong) and 'projecting' our anger towards the spouses who dumped us, but the reality is everyone knows it's -you- who will suffer most in the end. You say this now: But you said this before: It's just a guess, but I'd be willing to bet you have a pattern of rebellion towards those who love you. Something you did long before this man and this 'mistake' of a marriage. It's called selfishness Ann, and it has NOTHING to do with me, or the other betrayed spouses who have posted here giving advice. What you -again- refuse to see is that we've lived it; the beginning, through the divorce, and the years that follow. We see the pain, heartache and suffering that affects everyone involved; especially the lying betrayer who started it, they suffer most. So, while you call me a bitter, wounded loser, I'll call it as I see it. As I lived it. You're a fool. And you're joined and encouraged here by other fools as well, people who are living a similar lie and enjoy the company. Misery loves company. You are too blind or too arrogant to recognize loving advice; confusing it with control or being told what to do. But, the laws of the universe remain Ann, and what goes around comes around. Your denial, my denial won't stop it. My time is too valuable to waste anymore of it on this. My last post. I am not leaving because my feelings are hurt, it is because you're constantly abusing the truth and twisting it to support your selfishness. Good luck.
FeelingLonely98 Posted December 12, 2009 Posted December 12, 2009 (edited) Not parents that are so miserable with each other. If it quacks like a duck it must be a duck!!! If you say you are miserable with each other, then you must be, right? Maybe you should try to bark like a dog - i.e., Do we have to be bitter with each other? Can we be happy - NOW THAT IT IS OUT IN THE OPEN? (What if 10 years from now there was this crystal ball that you could look in and it showed you that yes! Ann and H were once again happy and ecstatic in love after a few months of hard effort on both parties! Hmmm, what if? You will never know. Maybe I deserve to stay unhappily married to this man as punishment - but he deserves more. And my children do as well. 1000% these are comments to make YOU feel better about what YOU are doing. I hate those comments. PLUS, the one that cheerfully goes "Lots of people get divorced!". Oh goody - Let's do it too!!!!!!!! He will most likely trade up BIG time from you Ann but would chop off his arm for you to REALLY try. You have posted nothing yet to indicate that you have really tried. Damn - Is it just me or does Ann's story feel like it is the only one here that has a great chance for reconciliation success if Ann would really try? It's in Ann's hands. Thinking about NOT sticking around for X-Mas just for yourself, ok? PEACE Ann. Edited December 12, 2009 by FeelingLonely98
hopesndreams Posted December 12, 2009 Posted December 12, 2009 Ann, at one time you admitted to being a compulsive liar. Well, sorry to say this, but you still are. You're lying to us, your STBXH, and to yourself. You may see me and others as bitter (that's the only way to twist the truth into wrong) and 'projecting' our anger towards the spouses who dumped us, but the reality is everyone knows it's -you- who will suffer most in the end. You say this now: But you said this before: It's just a guess, but I'd be willing to bet you have a pattern of rebellion towards those who love you. Something you did long before this man and this 'mistake' of a marriage. It's called selfishness Ann, and it has NOTHING to do with me, or the other betrayed spouses who have posted here giving advice. What you -again- refuse to see is that we've lived it; the beginning, through the divorce, and the years that follow. We see the pain, heartache and suffering that affects everyone involved; especially the lying betrayer who started it, they suffer most. So, while you call me a bitter, wounded loser, I'll call it as I see it. As I lived it. You're a fool. And you're joined and encouraged here by other fools as well, people who are living a similar lie and enjoy the company. Misery loves company. You are too blind or too arrogant to recognize loving advice; confusing it with control or being told what to do. But, the laws of the universe remain Ann, and what goes around comes around. Your denial, my denial won't stop it. My time is too valuable to waste anymore of it on this. My last post. I am not leaving because my feelings are hurt, it is because you're constantly abusing the truth and twisting it to support your selfishness. Good luck. Great post. Worth repeating.
FeelingLonely98 Posted December 12, 2009 Posted December 12, 2009 Quote: Originally Posted by Steadfast Ann, at one time you admitted to being a compulsive liar. Well, sorry to say this, but you still are. You're lying to us, your STBXH, and to yourself. You may see me and others as bitter (that's the only way to twist the truth into wrong) and 'projecting' our anger towards the spouses who dumped us, but the reality is everyone knows it's -you- who will suffer most in the end. You say this now: But you said this before: It's just a guess, but I'd be willing to bet you have a pattern of rebellion towards those who love you. Something you did long before this man and this 'mistake' of a marriage. It's called selfishness Ann, and it has NOTHING to do with me, or the other betrayed spouses who have posted here giving advice. What you -again- refuse to see is that we've lived it; the beginning, through the divorce, and the years that follow. We see the pain, heartache and suffering that affects everyone involved; especially the lying betrayer who started it, they suffer most. So, while you call me a bitter, wounded loser, I'll call it as I see it. As I lived it. You're a fool. And you're joined and encouraged here by other fools as well, people who are living a similar lie and enjoy the company. Misery loves company. You are too blind or too arrogant to recognize loving advice; confusing it with control or being told what to do. But, the laws of the universe remain Ann, and what goes around comes around. Your denial, my denial won't stop it. My time is too valuable to waste anymore of it on this. My last post. I am not leaving because my feelings are hurt, it is because you're constantly abusing the truth and twisting it to support your selfishness. Good luck. Originally Posted by hopesndreams Great post. Worth repeating. Yes, Ann is giving up 1000 times more than what she is chasing after. Right?
hopesndreams Posted December 13, 2009 Posted December 13, 2009 (edited) If it quacks like a duck it must be a duck!!! If you say you are miserable with each other, then you must be, right? Maybe you should try to bark like a dog - i.e., Do we have to be bitter with each other? Can we be happy - NOW THAT IT IS OUT IN THE OPEN? (What if 10 years from now there was this crystal ball that you could look in and it showed you that yes! Ann and H were once again happy and ecstatic in love after a few months of hard effort on both parties! Hmmm, what if? You will never know. 1000% these are comments to make YOU feel better about what YOU are doing. I hate those comments. PLUS, the one that cheerfully goes "Lots of people get divorced!". Oh goody - Let's do it too!!!!!!!! He will most likely trade up BIG time from you Ann but would chop off his arm for you to REALLY try. You have posted nothing yet to indicate that you have really tried. Damn - Is it just me or does Ann's story feel like it is the only one here that has a great chance for reconciliation success if Ann would really try? It's in Ann's hands. Thinking about NOT sticking around for X-Mas just for yourself, ok? PEACE Ann. So true, so true. That brought a tear to my eye. The left always trade up, the leaver, trades down. That's just the way it is. You'll get the taste of what you are dishing out soon Ann. It's guaranteed. You reap what you sow. I also call BS on you not being with the OM. Also, if things are so amicable between you and H, why do you need a lawyer. Just hash out all those messy details between yourselves and save tons of money. Oh, but you can't do that can you? OM is hidden away for now until the big payday, right? I won't bother anymore with this thread. I hate lies. You can't even be honest on an anonymous forum. HA. Edited December 13, 2009 by hopesndreams
SimplyBeingLoved Posted December 13, 2009 Posted December 13, 2009 (edited) I'm just confused what Ann is supposed to have lied about? She has said she is not happy with her current husband (truth). That she believes she would be happier alone or with someone else who she could be happy with (truth). Everything else could be a lie, but the fact remains, she has thought long and hard, decided she wants out, and HAS told her H that. Where are all the lies? How is that selfish if you know deep down you are not happy? She has said NUMEROUS times she HAS really tried. And so what if she doesn't want to try, there is NO RULE that says one HAS to "try". Yeah it seems like the "right thing to do" but reality? As I said before: People are going to do what they want to do. And nothing will stop them. Thank God for that, actually. Edited December 13, 2009 by SimplyBeingLoved
FeelingLonely98 Posted December 13, 2009 Posted December 13, 2009 How is that selfish if you know deep down you are not happy? She has said NUMEROUS times she HAS really tried. She has never demonstrated in a post how she has "tried". She'll never know!!!........so very sad ... WOW.
SimplyBeingLoved Posted December 13, 2009 Posted December 13, 2009 She has never demonstrated in a post how she has "tried". She'll never know!!!........so very sad ... WOW. Months of marriage counseling doesn't count as trying? She says she has tried a lot. How would she demonstrate that in a post? You expect to read a blow-by-blow of specific actions here on LS? Why is it sad? And maybe she just doesn't want to try because, well, there has to be a minimum level of connection to even want to try. Maybe that is lacking. You can't try if you really don't want to try.
LonelyTiger Posted December 13, 2009 Posted December 13, 2009 Months of marriage counseling doesn't count as trying? She says she has tried a lot. How would she demonstrate that in a post? You expect to read a blow-by-blow of specific actions here on LS? Why is it sad? And maybe she just doesn't want to try because, well, there has to be a minimum level of connection to even want to try. Maybe that is lacking. You can't try if you really don't want to try. I have to agree with you on this SBL. My husband was the one who walked away from our marriage without trying - he even told me he didn't want to try. I didn't understand it at the time, but 6 months on, and with a number of therapy sessions under my belt, I understand now and I forgive him. Yes, I loved him and he loved me, and we had some wonderful times in our 14 years together - and things changed. People change and people grow - sometimes in a different direction. In an ideal world we would all fall in love, get married and live happily ever after. But we are human beings and in our world change is inevitable. I still believe in 'till death do us part' but I wouldn't stay in an unhappy marriage, any more than I would expect anyone else to. I have been following this thread with increasing amazement at how much anger, sometimes even venom, is being vented towards Ann. What I find so sad about this thread is not that her marriage is clearly over (although of course that is sad in itself) but that, so many posters here are assuming they 'know' what is going on in her life. Their 'knowledge' being based on their own experiences and, in most cases, their feelings about their own WAH or WAW. The fact that Ann came on to this forum in the first place PROVES to me that she has tried. The fact that she is still here, PROVES that she really cares. We have no idea who she is, we have no idea about her life or her husband or family, other than what she has chosen to tell us. But the fact that she has told us anything at all speaks volumes. My husband would NEVER even consider doing an internet search about separation and divorce, let alone get involved in a long, and at times quite brutal, discussion about the rights and wrongs of what he has chosen to do. My husband is a WAH in the true sense of the word. Ann is a woman who cares. I don't know her any more than the rest of you do but I am seeing her situation objectively and what she is doing is clearly right for her AND for her husband and children. Although Ann has apologised for her comment about the 'bitter' posters on here, I do believe that there is an element of truth in what she says. Most posters on this forum are not fully healed (please note I said 'most') and their opinions will, of course, be clouded by their own emotions and their own experiences. That is unavoidable.... and is one very good reason why all separated and divorced men and women need to be fully healed before any new relationship can be given the chance it deserves. To all the posters who are so 'angry' with Ann, I would ask you to take a look at yourselves. What is it about her situation that upsets you so much? Heal that part of you and you will feel so much better. My husband left me and he left because he was unhappy. That isn't/wasn't entirely his fault, any more than it was entirely mine. I still don't know if another woman was involved in his decision and that really doesn't matter - if she exists, she is a symptom of our 'broken' marriage, not the cause of it. I will love him always and I wish him well. I wish you well too Ann. You have made mistakes, but you are human, as we all are. I'm not religious but I do agree with 'let he who is without sin, cast the first stone'. We all have our own moral code, which we may or may not break, but not one of us can pretend we are perfect. I believe that you are a caring, sincere and very brave woman Ann. If 'what goes around comes around' is a truism then I think you will be just fine.
giotto Posted December 13, 2009 Posted December 13, 2009 well said, LonelyTiger! People fall out of love - for whatever reason... my wife's fallen out of love with me, but that's not her fault. Unfortunately, it happens. Sure, I can be angry about it, I can be sad about it, but accepting reality is the only way out. And we don't have to think that our partners/spouses don't love us anymore because of who we are or what we do. Who ever said love is eternal? It isn't...
HeavenOrHell Posted December 13, 2009 Posted December 13, 2009 Good post giotto and LonelyTiger. well said, LonelyTiger! People fall out of love - for whatever reason... my wife's fallen out of love with me, but that's not her fault. Unfortunately, it happens. Sure, I can be angry about it, I can be sad about it, but accepting reality is the only way out. And we don't have to think that our partners/spouses don't love us anymore because of who we are or what we do. Who ever said love is eternal? It isn't...
Author ann09 Posted December 13, 2009 Author Posted December 13, 2009 I'm not sure why I'm still being called a liar either. That's a tough one because I used to be the worst liar (or maybe the best?) and I've done a 180 - told my H everything and stopped fooling myself into thinking I'd be happy living 2 lives. I ended the charade on my own about 7 months ago. I also can't explain here how I've "tried". I did go to therapy with him with a complete open mind. I put aside everything - believe me, if there was an inkling in my soul that I could be happy in 10 yrs I wouldn't go anywhere! Who would?? But I know already that in 10 yrs I will be more miserable - and so would my H. I can't explain here exactly how I feel - but even my H knows its something I didn't set out to do. Believe me, I never saw myself divorced. And the only reason I'm meeting with an attny is to have her go through everything we've been doing with the mediator to make sure I'm orotected. No, I don't want a big "payday" - if you think that of me, you really don't know me at all. That's not what I'm after. I don't want my kids to suffer because of my decisions - but I don't care if I do. I can't defend myself here anymore. I know I apologized for saying it and its probably not very nice to say, but I di feel like this section of the forum is only filled with angry, heartbroken people who have been severely wronged. Not all "walk away wives" are the devil. In fact my own H is somewhat at peace. Some of us are sad, regretful and remorseful. Some of us lay awake everynight with guilt. Some of us would do anything to wake up and feel differently about our H's. We're not all out to screw you - not all of us anyway.
Author ann09 Posted December 13, 2009 Author Posted December 13, 2009 She has never demonstrated in a post how she has "tried". She'll never know!!!........so very sad ... WOW. Save your "wow"'s. All that says to me is someone fell out of love with you and left you and you're angry and probably hate all women. I have tried -id have to sit here for 3 hours trying to explain that one. Don't have time for that as I have 3 kids that need me. Happiness would be finally feeling some peace in my heart. Happiness would be not feeling doom every day. I am killing my soul each day I'm still married. He knows this too. In fact we talked last night about how I would have done everything in my life differently. How I regret so many things. It was sad to admit to it but he "got it". But I don't have regrets fully - I have had some wonderful memories and 3 beautiful children. My life with him has made me who I am today. Sure I went thru massive hurdles the past few yrs but I've picked myself up - and worked thru them. So enough of your "wow's" - save it for someone else. You don't know me, or my H or anything I've been thru in my life.
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