Girls: Height preference is ok. Men: If you have weight as a preference you're a pig

[DanielMadr]

Not mixed up at all. Still yet to hear of an evolutionary advantage to height going forward, other than current social bias which changes quite quickly over time.

 

So you say, being taller has no evolutionary advantage? You cant come up with any examples of your own?

 

Changing social bias....hmmm...like being overweight can come in handy one day? There are social bias which are plain stupid and there are social bias which are based on real life experience. Shortening of feet of chinese women is stupid. Choosing taller guys as bodyguards is not stupid.

[DanielMadr]

Right, well we're in agreement then. I don't mind hearing about social bias, but evolutionary arguments like the one Johnny M (short people to be darwined out) is presenting are simply incorrect.

 

You didnt quote the whole line. How smart of you.

[Rudderless]

So you say, being taller has no evolutionary advantage? You cant come up with any examples of your own?

 

Changing social bias....hmmm...like being overweight can come in handy one day? There are social bias which are plain stupid and there are social bias which are based on real life experience. Shortening of feet of chinese women is stupid. Choosing taller guys as bodyguards is not stupid.

 

Well seeing as I haven't made the assertion that there is an evolutionary advantage there's no onus of proof on me. Flipping it to me to prove non-existence is a cheap argument and rather a glaring logical fallacy.

[Rudderless]

You didnt quote the whole line. How smart of you.

The rest of it was hot air. As for smart, clearly much much smarter than you. (still no backup of the assertion and a lot of attrition)

[DanielMadr]

The rest of it was hot air. As for smart, clearly much much smarter than you. (still no backup of the assertion and a lot of attrition)

 

Let the others be the judge

 

You just made me to lost my respect for you, so Im out.

[Rudderless]

Let the others be the judge

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No problem. I'll quote a scientist for you though, just so you can see how glaringly bad your argument is on the way out.

 

Humans are a good example of how a species can vary in size. Just look around to see the variety of sizes of people around you. Besides differences in total height you will see that some people have long legs and others have short legs. One environment can mean that being short or tall has no advantage, in such a case the population shows a wide variety in height. Another environment may make shortness an advantage. In such an environment, the population will become short as short persons survive better and have short children. The Pygmies of Africa are an example of the environment selecting for shortness. Shortness was an advantage in their thick jungle environment. Isolation kept them from sharing genes with other populations.

Visit some foreign country or just go to rough neighborhood near your home...the taller you are the better your chances for survival.

 

Edited November 7, 2009 by Rudderless

[AD1980]

Lots of women don't want a fat guy, it is not a sexist thing.

I don't have a strict height preference, the same height as me or taller. Most women aren't that choosy.

Guys who think that height is what women want are ugly guys who are 5'9 and shorter who are making excuses.

Lots and lots and lots of guys don't want to date a woman taller than they are, so this is really about ugly guys who can't get dates slamming women.

 

Fair point if your a little short but have a decent face and perosnality you should have no problem gettign women but if your really short then its a huge problem..

 

I think the op said hes 5'4 so no matter how attratcive he is facially i think the majorty of women would turn him down based on height..

[Johnny M]

The rest of it was hot air. As for smart, clearly much much smarter than you. (still no backup of the assertion and a lot of attrition)

Amusing...

[Rudderless]

Amusing...

Glad you think so. Perhaps you two can show up at a conference and give those dumb scientists a lesson in the role of height in evolution based on watching planet of the apes

[pacific84]

The Pygmies of Africa are an example of the environment selecting for shortness. Shortness was an advantage in their thick jungle environment. Isolation kept them from sharing genes with other populations.

 

Interesting stuff.

 

Funny thing is in America there was actually a slight preference for overweight men in the early 20th century. I'm not talking about a blimp, but if you were slightly overweight or had a paunch in those days it was viewed as a sign of prosperity, you could afford to be overweight, whereas poorer people were leaner. Now it's the other way around, if you have means you can afford to stay healthy.

 

I think there's probably a social preference for height worldwide and it's genetic, but it's heightened pun intended by the culture. Kind of like how redheads almost never date other redheads, they just wouldn't want to be seen together, whereas a hundred years ago it wasn't so much a consideration.

[DanielMadr]

Interesting stuff.

 

Funny thing is in America there was actually a slight preference for overweight men in the early 20th century. I'm not talking about a blimp, but if you were slightly overweight or had a paunch in those days it was viewed as a sign of prosperity, you could afford to be overweight, whereas poorer people were leaner. Now it's the other way around, if you have means you can afford to stay healthy.

 

I think there's probably a social preference for height worldwide and it's genetic, but it's heightened pun intended by the culture. Kind of like how redheads almost never date other redheads, they just wouldn't want to be seen together, whereas a hundred years ago it wasn't so much a consideration.

 

You should know that there is a possibility that in order to be a Pygmei chief one has to be taller than the rest of Pygmies.

 

And you should know that in order to celebrate shortness one has to live for centuries in the jungle and be severly malnutritioned.

[mbeewood]

Interesting stuff.

 

Funny thing is in America there was actually a slight preference for overweight men in the early 20th century. I'm not talking about a blimp, but if you were slightly overweight or had a paunch in those days it was viewed as a sign of prosperity, you could afford to be overweight, whereas poorer people were leaner. Now it's the other way around, if you have means you can afford to stay healthy.

 

I think there's probably a social preference for height worldwide and it's genetic, but it's heightened pun intended by the culture. Kind of like how redheads almost never date other redheads, they just wouldn't want to be seen together, whereas a hundred years ago it wasn't so much a consideration.

Yea, that's pretty much what I've saying. I don't doubt height should be attractive but it should be nowhere near as important as it is in north america nowadays.

[pacific84]

You should know that there is a possibility that in order to be a Pygmei chief one has to be taller than the rest of Pygmies.

 

Yeah, but some rich little pygmy sob will be pulling all the strings behind the scenes.

[Rudderless]

I think there's probably a social preference for height worldwide and it's genetic, but it's heightened pun intended by the culture. Kind of like how redheads almost never date other redheads, they just wouldn't want to be seen together, whereas a hundred years ago it wasn't so much a consideration.

 

Agree with that. There's a lot of evidence against evolutionary advantage though. Just find it funny when someone claims height is an important survival feature in the wild when in many cases it's actually a disadvantage

[Howard_Roark]

I too am relatively thin and athletic. I am not attracted to overweight women. It's only natural, being fat is genetic and as men there is a reason we aren't sexually attracted to them, our DNA doens't want to have our children be fat and unhealthy. Make no mistake though, probably over half of women are overweight to some degree and it seriously limits your chanes with women.

[clv0116]

Weight preference actually makes sense, height preference doesn't

 

Taller people make more money. Maybe it's wise to prefer a mate with taller genes. It is about the genes after all.

 

 

No, it's not an opinion, because there are valid biological reasons for not wanting fat girls. There are not valid reasons for needing a guy to be a tall, or to be a certian height.

 

Not true, in fact.

 

 

... weight is still social conditioning as well, at one time, slightly heavier was the mainstay of society, then skinny became sought after. It's all about what characteristics rich people have

 

Social to a degree but while skinny might be sought after, Americans in general are fatter now than ever. Maybe that's why we are seeing 'skinny' as a goal.

 

 

Good genes how?

 

More likely to reproduce successfully. Nothing else really matters in the genome lottery.

 

 

No, height/breast size have nothing to do with having 'good genes'

 

How are 'good genes' graded? What is the test?

 

 

Yes, taller is better, because tall men are generally faster and stronger than short men. Take a look at professional athletes in just about any physically demanding sport. The vast majority of them are over 6' tall and very few are below 5'10. If we lived in a primitive society, tall men would have a very clear survival ad

 

It depends a lot on the sport, sport. A lot of sports start off as games, where the goal is physically difficult to reach. An obvious example is basketball, where the basket is located "out of reach" intentionally. Tall helps in the general realm of 'ball passing' too, but that's a pretty artificial thing. For other more 'natural' sports like running there seems to be an optimal size, it's not a simple matter of bigger is better.

 

Distance runners are often quite small and free divers don't seem to be huge people.

 

 

What about boxing? How many heavyweight champions are under 6'? The shortest guy I can think of is Mike Tyson and he's 5'11.5.

 

How many super flyweight boxers are over 6' 6? For that matter how many heavyweight boxers are over 7'?

 

 

I didn't deny that it's an advantage in a social way, I'm not oblivious to reality, but for a guy to argue his own genetic superiority and then call other people insecure is really something else.

 

If it helps him make grandkids, it's a genetic plus, otherwise, it's neutral at best. Bigger people are harder to feed, for one thing, so it's not all upside in the history of survival.

[betamanlet]

Guys, like I said earlier, I just got back from Germany. I saw plenty of short guys with women there. And this is Germany, land of the aryan giants.. Maybe european women are more forgiving, but I saw it with my own eyes, and lots of them.

[mr.dream merchant]

The double standard exists because lots of women are inculcated to be narcissists, and suffer from latent insecurities about their desirability.

 

IMO, the source of the quoted woman's rage is the common disconnect between what women are taught as girls and the reality of dating economics. Most girls are taught that they should expect men to pursue them. They believe they have the upper hand in relationships, the "right of choice." But this is true for only about 8 years, from the start of high school until the end of college. After that, it's a man's game - and with the trend toward later marriages, the female relationship advantage (in the context of marriage) has basically been eroded into nothing.

 

Girls' psychology hasn't yet caught up with reality, however, and fat girls - like most other girls - still expect guys to come to them, regardless of their own age/desirability. So when they hear desirable guys state their (perfectly rational) desire for thin partners, they suffer a massive case of cognitive dissonance and feelings of impotence. When compounded upon their innate fears of rejection, this leads to much wailing and gnashing of teeth.

 

To put it simply - women aren't ****! Young guys, stick to what's more important -> money and education. All these young, pretty, and curvacious broads are always going to be around. Your opportunity to get a great education and become successful will not!

[SierraRose]

I am an average sized woman. Not fat, not rail thin just average. I certainly have a physical preference for a man. Ideally tall, slightly muscular, clean cut--oh, and I am a sucker for blonde hair and blue eyes. However, I will not rule a man out if he doesn't fit that physique exactly. It it is a preference, not mandatory. I do draw the line a fat. Sorry, call me shallow, call me whatever you want, but I can not do man tits. That to me is gross.

 

Everyone has thier own preferences in a mate. There are men that totaly love bigger women. There are men that won't date a woman heavier than 105lbs. Same goes for women.

 

I have to say, just because a woman is overweight, doesn't mean they lack confidence. Maybe, just maybe THEY are happy with themselves being larger and have the confidence to talk to a fit, handsome man. Hell, what's the worse thing that can happen? Get turned down? The best thing that could happen is this fit, attractive man has a fettish for larger women. One never knows until one tries!

[Johnny M]

I am an average sized woman. Not fat, not rail thin just average. I certainly have a physical preference for a man. Ideally tall, slightly muscular, clean cut--oh, and I am a sucker for blonde hair and blue eyes. However, I will not rule a man out if he doesn't fit that physique exactly. It it is a preference, not mandatory. I do draw the line a fat. Sorry, call me shallow, call me whatever you want, but I can not do man tits. That to me is gross.

Out of curiosity, what is an 'average sized woman'? What is your height and weight?

[Gypsy_Soul]

Ha! This reminds me of Al Bundy. He couldn't stand big huge women. I think I will purchase a no fat chicks tee.

[berrieh]

I think men and women can both like what they like. I'm a slim girl, and most of the guys I've dated have dated mostly slim girls (I think) and have a preference for that. Preferences aren't the problem - how you state them is.

 

I prefer tall men. I don't tell short men that I wouldn't date them 'cause they're short... I would never put 'No shorties' in a profile. If it asks me for 'Preferences' I'll put my height and weight (I don't like big guys either) preferences down, but that's about it. It's all about being reasonable and discrete. Sure, I care what you look like---but I'm not going to diss whole populations to a guy I like or don't like. No need; that's tacky.

 

I'm currently in a country where 90% of the population is pretty slim... and I have some friends that aren't. So, if a man went on and on about how he didn't like fat chicks, yeah, I'd be offended. People come in all shapes and sizes, and somebody likes each one, I hope. Everyone is free to like what they like, but why talk **** about those girls/guys they aren't attracted to. A simple, "She/He is not my type" will suffice.

 

It's about manners.

[Gypsy_Soul]

So, if a man went on and on about how he didn't like fat chicks, yeah, I'd be offended. People come in all shapes and sizes, and somebody likes each one, I hope. Everyone is free to like what they like, but why talk **** about those girls/guys they aren't attracted to. A simple, "She/He is not my type" will suffice.

 

It's about manners.

 

I agree only to a certain extent, but even when you let someone know in a polite manner that they are not your type they do tend to get offended. I've had this happen to me before. I've gotten asked, "Oh so I guess I'm not good enough for you then?" and, "So if I'm not your type then what exaclty is your type?"

 

If I do even answer the last one, they get offended because I like the total opposite of what they are. No matter how politely I put it to them. So, sometimes IMO it's better to just be blunt about my preferences anyway, from my own personal experiences with men.

 

I like what I like and you don't have it, if this sounds mean then so be it. I find the ones that I am totally unattracted to are the most pushiest and persistent, even after telling them politely I'm not interested.

 

Sometimes you have to be blunt and it seems like you have no manners, but it's just called being straight forward because there is no other way that they will understand.

[berrieh]

I've met those persistent/angry guys, too.

 

Usually, I just try to send a 'Not interested' vibe if someone seems into me and I'm not. That works 90% of the time.

 

Some guys push past that and ask anyway. Usually I'll basically say, "Thank you, but I'm not interested." That works 90% of the other 10% of the time.

 

Only about 1% of the time will I get pressed, and that's when I'll go for the, "You're not my type" line at all. If a guy presses that, I literally just ignore him. Clearly, he's not friends material either if he's that defensive/pushy, so why engage at all?

[DanielMadr]

If it helps him make grandkids, it's a genetic plus, otherwise, it's neutral at best. Bigger people are harder to feed, for one thing, so it's not all upside in the history of survival.

 

I like respect your post as you are not fundamental. However Id like to point out a few thinks and lets see if you agree.

 

Bigger people are harder to feed BUT when they are fed it points out at their survival skills. Predators are less likely to single out tall and fit. If you come accross a bear make yourself look bigger

 

My point is being taller was and still is an evolutionary advantage. Most visible one on first sight but nevertheless important because enemies are put off by first sight too.

I can understand that someone can see it as injustice. "I have black belt and they are not afraid of me and my friend is total wuss but he is tall and everyone is afraid of him. And chicks look at him more, eventhough Im smarter". All true but why to deny truth and try to change society bias. Girls prefer guys with money....is it necessary to start promoting communism just because it seems as injustice?